I will carry 4 rods on my kayak but i don’t use more than 1 at a time. I just love the different styles and i like to practice.. it’s relaxing.. Im from Victoria, most Fisheries guys i bump into are really nice, have a chat, recommend a spot to cast, and off they go. But i also realise not everyone gets that treatment and i see so many fishermen doing the right thing on the internet and they get slammed for it while like you said people bank fish with around 6 rods and completely get away with it.. it’s definitely a topic worth talking about
I, like you, usually have 2 to 4 rods with me, each to suit a particular style of fishing more than anything else. Also, like you, I enjoy the ambience as well as the challange, and my experience with Rangers and the like has always been positive, I think, because they recognise what I'm about and trying to achieve on the water, and I respect their roles. In respect to what's been happening in the ACT, I don't hold the Rangers responsible - but I do believe the department management is responsible, as they are the ones pushing to uphold old, out dated rules, that are so vague in their wording that it allows for varying interpretation by both fishers and Rangers alike, and presiding over this whole steaming heap is a politician who has already who has already indicated that fishers are a long way down the priority list - any wonder the stink ! Thanks for the watch and comment, 'keep on catchin'.
Hi Bill. Thanx for raising this issue. I really dont mind what the regs are as long as they put in the effort to let everyone know EXACTLY what those regs are! If the relevant authorities wish to come up with a set of regs it is up to them to make sure that they are readily accessible to everyone. I have the NSW Fisheries app on my phone and it not only gives you up to date info but you can use it as a reference in case you get challenged. ACT needs to get their act (ACT) together on this. Once again, thanx Bill.
I can’t manage 2 rods at once on my kayak, let alone 4, but I always carry 3 or 4 each rod has it’s own purpose. It shouldn’t matter how much gear you have, it’s how you use it. Who doesn’t carry a spare reel with them in case one plays up. My car boot is gonna get me in trouble 😂
Yeah, the rules are kinda stupid, glad you understood the meaning of the video, like you I wouldn't want my car searched, even if I was just beside the water taking photos
I stay in Canberra for uni at ANU and I bring all my fishing gear from Sydney and leave it in my car. I have 2 trout rods and 2 beach rods. Thanks for informing me about this rule as it could affect me when I go trout fishing and I have the beach rods in my car at the same time.
Hey There Had a similar situation on the south coast of NSW. NSW fisheries let me off with a warning for having more than four rods(rigged) I still take at least four rods when fishing, just don’t have lures or hooks attached/ rigged. Starting using clips where appropriate too. Stupid rule all the same!
I think I read in the wording it also reads in possession of fishing equipment would have to read through again so does that mean if I had additional equipment with me not being used I'd still be in trouble, Ouch but I think that if their not being used and their locked stored away U should not be getting in trouble
Thanks for the video. This is so typical of Canberra. Lived , worked, raised and educated 4 kids there, and as was said to me before I moved there : his words " There is no other place in Australia where you will find more over educated idiots ". How true this is. I could write pages and pages of instances of things that happened there, but most people wouldn't believe me.
It’s a shame, but there seems to be a whole new level of “over educated” rule-making in Canberra! I must admit, when I lived there and did like wise, I didn't quite realise the extent of things.,
Com on mate it's really no biggie, I've been a keen kayak fisher for years and only ever take a 5 _ 8kg with a bait caster and a 7 // 2_ 4 kg with a 2500 spin reel, and they are good for flat head to cod and most things in between, cheers.
Thanks for watching Steve, and really appreciate your view - I sometimes do similar , this was more about warning folks who really have no idea because the plod haven't made much effort to tell or explain
@ Same with ice fishing. Can only have two rods. You can use two ice fishing poles, two tip ups, or one pole and one tip up. You also have to be in the area of your tip up. Meaning you can’t set a tip up then leave.
Thanks for an interesting topic. I live and fish in Newcastle, NSW. Our four-rod rule seems more sensible. (Although, if two anglers had eight rods spread along a pier, I’d be annoyed.) And I wouldn’t take more than three on my kayak anyway. But I hadn’t considered what’s in my car. I tend to keep a lot of gear in my SUV - so I can just get up and go early. I hadn’t thought whether this might break a rule. Although, I’m normally fishing a long way from the car, on the yak, the beach, or rocks. The ACT seems too strict. And it’s missing the point of stopping those anglers with six or seven rods spread along the banks.
I think, after speaking to NSW fisheries, spare rods are no issue - as long as they are "properly stowed" - ie left in the car, in boat rod lockers, secured in rod holders on kayaks, importantly not rigged for action (no hooks) if on board. Fresh is the same, 4 attended rods, but only two rigged ready to use. The ACT is strict because NO ONE has looked at the very old regs that some bureaucrats decided they would start enforcing. Maybe now some will. Thanks for watching and commenting, truly appreciated
Guaranteed the stupid guy who came up with these laws dont even fish. or if they did, that they dont fish often at all. Hoping that everyone kicks a fuss about this where they would need to review these decisions properly.
I suspect very old rules, not aligned to the century we live in, poorly communicated and then all of a sudden enforced. By their own admission, 479 anglers have been stopped, questioned and/or fined since the end of April 24, seriously !!!
No one agrees to the tyrants and their opposition to humans doings human activities , remember when you agree to vote for these creeps , it gives THEM the mandate to enact their personal fetish , humans should stop handing you're rights to politicians , so they can take them away ,,, cheers be safe .
This happens in the business world as well. It reflects a failure to effectively manage or enforce a simple policy or rule, leading to changes that eliminate any chance of noncompliance. In other words, it’s a sign of poor management and a lack of trust. It’s like being told you can’t drive a car capable of 220kph just because you might exceed the speed limit. Overregulation, Paternalistic Management at its best.
It happens everywhere - every time we write rules, regulations and even instructions, it becomes left to the reader/interpreter to figure them out - just take the instructions that come with ikea flatfaks as a classic example, anyway - in this case they are interpreted by department officers of one standing or another, and when they are not well defined, this is what you get, especially if that officer has little or no understanding of the sport, or issues surrounding it. Thanks for your time.
As a past resident of Canberra, I can see exactly what is happening here, and nothing has changed in all these years!. You hit the nail on the head at 16:45...I will try to be as clear as I can, THEY DON'T WANT YOU FISHING IN LBG!..The NCA (National Capital Authority) has always had an issue with recreational fisherman, there is a reason why everybody EXCEPT fisherman are allowed onto LBG with petrol engines fitted for use to their boats..the sailing clubs, the rowing clubs (all those poor little rich kids) the tourist operators, the water police, ANU, Uni of Canberra, CIT, ACT Parks and Gardens, ActewAGL - the list goes on and on, they are all allowed to zoom around the lake with their motors at full tilt....I bet you will never get pulled up when fishing at Lake Ginninderra or Tuggers, as the NCA have no interest 10kms from Parliament House....I wish I was wrong, but it has always been the case, and as the city becomes more gentrified and polarised towards the affluent, it will only get worse...stay tuned for a fee for your fishing licence, to pay for all the work they had to do to restructure the fishing laws to come onto line with the rest of the country...government bureaucracy and public service laziness at its finest!
Hope your wrong, and with greater awareness from those that do fish responsibly a little pressure comes there way, and they come into line with a state like NSW, I hope. Thanks for watching, listening and commenting
My rods are always in my car. 3 spinning rods and 2 baitcasters. Often an extra rod or 2 makes it into the mix. I never know if I am gonna be fishing Lake Burley Griffin for redfin or the Murrumbidgee for cod. I do not want to be on the water, break a graphite stick and have no backup. I carry rods to cover any circumstance. I use 2 at a time, the others are not in use. Good luck to them in me playing their games.
I do the same, my car has 5 rods in it, and reels to match, and they are just my "in case I get to go some place I can fish" scenario - they are not usually what I take if I go in earnest - I was saying to the guy who told me the story that started this off, that I could be locked up for just parking near a waterway in the ACT, not even intending to fish - its a stupid state of mismanagement by the relevant department. When he was stopped out on the water last week (no where near his car) the junior Ranger actually suggested going back to inspect his vehicle to see if it had more rods in it, luckily the senior Ranger decided against doing so - possibly because he has more sense and doesn't necessarily agree with what they were doing, or possibly because the angler concerned was always polite and compliant with them. Either way - it just shows what their thinking around enforcement is (as a dept).
@@RodNPaddle Go to Uriarra or Kambah Pool for a swim, end up with a fine and all your gear confiscated, even though you have not cast a lure or bait all day. A ranger just happened to walk past the car and observe some rods... That's where this ends up. It has to be reasonable, I am all for bag limits, rod limits and size limits. However, those things have to be sensible and sensibly enforced or it is just a free for all in the opposite direction.
Only one chair per person and three buckets. Providing not more than two buckets are upside down, one for each butt cheek and one to carry items. It is essential that not more than two buckets are carried at one time and each bucket is supported by a single appendage, when transporting more than two buckets multiple trips should be used. However a single chair and a single bucket may be carried at the same time provided that only the bucket has lures contained within and the chair does not. Hope this helps (laughing/not laughing)
Thank you for this information IV not been fishing in ACT but am looking to be going soon. And I'm glad this came to my attention because I'd definitely be in some trouble IV got 4 rods I use regularly when kayaking.
Thanks for watching, and I'm glad it was helpful! The video has been instrumental in triggering an awareness, and hopefully now a ground swell to have them changed for the better, ie to atleast match NSW - which would make a whole lot of sense. In the meantime, stay safe, tight lines, and thank you
Aussies need to rise up against the ridiculous oversight & officer/copsplaining/legalise speak of the (so called) "Government". There is no limit to the arrogance of the individuals who get a place in the (so called) "law enforcement" economy . As a red blooded Aussie - with some suspected Indigenous ancestory - I really despise these STUPID & outrageous regulations. When I fish with friends & relatives, we nearly never keep any native fish & we resent, very deeply, the Govt. oversight that tries to tell us what we can/cannot do!! Is Australia a free country?
It may be like fishing the Snowy Mountains Lakes. It's rods that are fully rigged that they care about. People wind in rods when they see the inspector coming.
Nah, they mean a MAX of two rods or lines, hooks or not, and by attended they mean with you, or nearby or in your transport that got you there - so in essence way different to NSW
What? ....so here Im sitting in my boat minding my own business and approx up to 15 kms away from my car...they expect me to travel all the way back to my car to show them if I also have spare rods in my "own" car .....just so that they can get a hard on......what a pack of arseholes.....every angler should now just stop purchasing fishing licences and protest in mass at the local primary industrial office, state government, and major fishing outlets...... and not stop until these fishery rangers are fired and these draconian shit laws are eliminated.
Unfortunately it is the way the rules are written - probably by people who don't fish - the Rangers just enforce them. Adam gave me a good analogy, "fishings like golf, imagine playing 18 holes with just a sand wedge and putter". Bloody madness !!!
Shane, we cannot stop paying license fees as there are none charged in the ACT. We have a local government that is not a State Government but a Legislative Assembly that cares more about rainbow crossings and electric buses then sensible legislation. The fishing outlets are mainly BCF and they don't care.
Oh well .....we'll just continue to have the good old she'll be right attitude...to the day when no one will be able to do anything except sit behind closed doors and cry their eyes out because they've lost all their freedoms that our forefathers sacrificed their lives for.....then they can then say that they can't change anything. I am happy that I soon will be maybe too old to enjoy any fishing to the extent that I once did....especially if I have to stand next to a member of the new limp dicked generation who are too scared to stand up against any social injustice ......and by the way enjoy waving your stupid Chinese made Australian flags on Australia day....LOL
As a fly angler… i often take several rods to a destination, because each rod has a specific purpose with their size and action type. Depending on the conditions will determine which rod is required. However, they are in their cases unless being used. I would have an extremely heated confrontation if i were to be pulled up for this…
Too bad if you travelled a few hours to the fishing destination, only to realise the rod you brought with you isn’t suitable for the conditions. What a wasted day, because you aren’t allowed to have multiple rods to accommodate…
Thank you for the information. I am in QLD. I have not fished much for most of my working life. I have always been a keen fisher. I am getting into kayak fishing lately with very limited success. I have just started out with a very basic paddle kayak with limited attachment points. So my question is have you tried using captive thread inserts into a kayak. I am thinking of adding some outriggers for extra stability and flat storage area. There is no hull access inside to enable additional fixing points.
I would recommend joining up with a kayak group and get some help. You can fit captive nuts like well nuts to the hulls, but they are not designed to be load bearing. Unless you really need out riggers, ditch that idea, as they really are not a great idea. If you are worried about tipping out - best thing to do is exactly that, and learn how to self rescue, doing that will cure you of the need for stabilisers, and help you realise tipping out is part and parcel of the sport. If its because you want to stand, if it is the right sort of kayak, then that's just a matter of practice. You can message me direct off the Facebook page, happy to suggest and help out where possible, may also be able to hook you up with some experienced buddies. Thanks for watching and commenting, tightlines Richard
@ thank you for getting back to me. The outrigger idea was as much about giving me some extra room to carry red claw traps as it was about stability. I will take your advice though and hold off for a while. I didn’t even know there are clubs. I don’t do face books at all. I got the kayak because it is just too hard to fish because of the weed situation at most of the places I have been. Again thanks.
What if I live in a van or small bus?. This is my home, where else am I going to keep my rods. Surely they can't search my closet for rods if I'm fishing near by.
that is the most stupid thing that I have heard of. I travel all over the country and when I am in my car I normaly have five rods with me and a couple of hand lines. Then when I go out on my boat I could have even more for I travel hundreds of kms and may not come back to land for days. If the stop me they can check my catch but for any other things they better have a search warrent for I will take them on for harresment. I have had this with them before about a radio licence I got stopped five times in one day and on the fifth time by the water police I unscewed the radio and threw it over the side in 100 meters of water and told them that now you can spend time to search for me if I go missing, note each time I advised them that I was in the army and that automaticaly allowed me to opperate a radio on any frequencies.
Hate to be passing by travelling between states, i normally travel with six or seven types of rods as i don't know if i will be fly fishing, surf, river or game.
Yeah, the rules are pretty dumb, but you can't blame the guys enforcing them. And thats my whole point - because they are not clearly defined, they can be enforced in a very open ended manner
Hey Andrew - you are correct, 2 in use, however you can have another 2 with you when lure fishing - a mistake people often make. See from the NSW Freshwater guide:- "2 (bait) 4 (rigged with artificial flies or lures only, with only 2 in use at any time)"
As others have said. This low was most definitely written by a non angler. Here in NSW, as stated in the video, you can have up to 4 rods in use in salt water, which is where I usually fish. This legislation in the ACT needs to be reviewed and amended. I'm glad I don't live there any more.
Sounds ideal, and I would doubt that would be an issue as surely the shack would be private property - Oh wait, so is your car 🤣 Short answer is wtfk 🤔
This highlights a much bigger problem across Australia -> the multiple sets of state based rules. Easy answer, get rid of the state governments. Result will be 1 health service, 1 emergency service (fire/police/ambulance), 1 education system, 1 transport system, etc.
Interesting thoughts, I am not sure I am on side with this, but I am just a little surprised how many times this has been said here. Thanks for watching
I’m asking this question 11.30 into the video * Does this mean that if I’m camping for several days, I’m limited to 2 rods to camp & fish with… (gee hope I don’t brake any while holidaying) * Grey nomads traveling through the ACT how many rods are they allowed… * (this is a ahole question but as we know there are aholes with badges also) so does that restrict the number of rods I can buy at a time I ask the above because of how the Vicpol & QLDpol are currently behaving with regard to 4x4’s
Yeah, Vic and QLD are interesting atm - Casey in Vic is off the charts with restictions on residents, WTF. In essence, if you are on, or next to a waterway in the ACT, and you have more than two rods with you (in hand, on ground within sight or 10m, or in your vehicle), whether they are rigged or not - then yes, you can be warned and/or fined. In essence that is what I am trying to make people aware of, not so much the number of rods. Enjoy your travels and thanks for watching
If you carry more than 2 rods in your possession they must be not rigged. EG carry your reels etc. To change rods de rig them as they are then classed as a stick not a rod.
NSW fresh water, Vic freshwater - yes you are correct. ACT no so - 2 rods or lines, thats it, and that is the crux of the problem, its not clear nor is it promoted or understood.
I’m a lazy fisherman I set up my different rods with different rigs so I’m not doing it out on the water at no point do I have 5 rods in the water. 3 at most I would drive away or walk away if they tried to fine me
The questioned has been raised - are they lawfully allowed to detain you, search you or your belongings - and even issue you fines - all good questions I think
The response to this was massive, and I had only sought to raise public awareness, I would suggest that few people had much of an idea on what was happening
How do I get a copy of the reply that you got from the ACT Government? I intend to take this up at Ministerial level. I'd also be prepared to take any fine/warning etc to ACAT. It's absolutely ridiculous if you look at the legal definition of "use'. If your car is sitting in your driveway with no license plate and a broken tail light it's not a problem - as soon as you take it on the road and actually "use' it, you're breaking the law.
Graham Fifield is also interested in taking up the chain. You can email me at rodnpaddle@gmail.com and I can send you the email chain. thanks for the interest
@RodNPaddle this was an interesting video. I used to live in Canberra and fished the local lakes and Point Hut and Pine Island. We used to use up to 4 rods at a time. I moved in 2003.
Sure does, max of two lines - even applies if the line has no hooks attached, or even a blank rod in the car - that is how badly interpreted the rule is by the department
These people making these rules are bloody idiots... Where is the common sense in these laws.. There are different types of fishing techniques you don't use all of them at once.
combo. Then i might be into a Cod zone and put my Cod combo in. I have broken a rod while fishing from my yak , therefor needing another combo to fish with. I always carry several rods in my car . The rules as they are , are not clear at all and they know it. It would really be good for those who make the rules, to come out and fish with other fisho's who have been doing this a long time and see how we really fish . Also why don't they have a meeting with Fisho's and talk about our great sport. If i didn't get myself out on the water , i would go nuts. They should police those who use lot's of fishing rods and keeping everthing they catch. You know who they are and i know. But they don't . I have been spoken to by inspectors at Googong , Casurina Sands and LBG . Hope all is good with yourself and that common sence prevails , Cheers Paul
You know, Paul, the rules are pretty broad, they really need to be clarified. Normally, I always carry an extra rod in the car though, just in case. Seems that's not a good idea
G'day 007fishingcanberra. We should all start carrying all our rods and gear in the cars. Malu Hunter got pulled up on the Cotter and warned about rods in the car a few months back. I have always carried a few rods. Who knows when you are going to need them? Besides which, the coastal fishing allows 4 rods, and I often hit the lakes before I head to the coast to pick up some fresh carp fillets for bait. The ACT Government has done bugger all for us, so the social contract is on shaky ground.
Sadly every recreational activity is under attack in OZ. Every one of us is guilty of the "divide and conquer" attitude of not supporting other recreational pass times. Anglers don't support Bow hunters, who don't support Rock Climbers, who don't support Dirt Bike Riders, who don't support Firearms users, who don't support 4x4 drivers etc etc. The "Parks" juggernaut sticks together as you stated "joint operations" and we are all divided by our disdain for others pass times. This allows the "Business model of enforcement" to take place. Where by to get your promotion you invent new rules, hire underlings to enforce them and then to pay for them you impose fines. When those underlings want a promotion they rinse and repeat until you get a massive white elephant with ever increasing need for fines to fund paper work, reports, HR, bushiness managers and a plethora of unneeded red tape. Office 's full of people who are not involved in or have no idea of what they are legislating about. Time for all recreations to support each other before our national pass time becomes legislative think tanks.
Corporate employees have no lawful right to raise revenue for the crown. Unless they can prove they are a public servant who has sworn the correct oath they have no right to even talk to you!
It amazes me how these bureaucrats with what seems like no real world experience can make up the rules regarding the number of rods that can be used. With all the different fish species, then obviously a different rod and set up is required. Ask these Jerks if they have ever tried to catch a whiting on a Marlin rod. I doubt the would know the difference.
Glad you don’t own a cast net 🥺I see fishing license requirements apply 🤨 I’m in Qld now 🫶🏽🙏🇦🇺👀Canberra want to wake up ! Do people still do the bird man into the brown lake 🦆
One question is Jervis bay covered by ACT fisheries. Seeing it's policed by the AFP QLD is 3 rods or Hooks in a normal zone. In a special marine zone it drops two.
Thats a good point, they make no mention of it, and it does not appear on their map, and they make no mention of salt water - so if by the letter of the law, I guess they could argue the point and fine you - maybe
Difference is in QLD is you can have 100 rods rigged on the deck if you like, it’s only the rods in use that count. The ACT rules are stupid. Fisheries here (in QLD) don’t even look at your rods, they’ll check your license, safety gear and catch if you have any and then they’re on their way.
Jervis Bay is NSW Fisheries and Maritime, NSW waters except for the area immediately surrounding Creswell, which has exclusionary buoys around it. I haven’t researched it but I think NSW Fisheries and police may have special constable powers in the Commonwealth areas adjacent to Creswell, the police definitely do.
@@RodNPaddle JB is coastal, 4 rods, rigged. Administered by NSW DPI. The regulations and military and marine exclusion zones are also spelled out. Most of these things are available on the relevant fishing regulation websites.
sounds very much like this is revenue raising .... $5000 fine for spare rods !!! I am so glad I never fish ACT waters. I fish big fish in NSW from breakwalls ( 1 jewfish outfit , 1 snapper outfit , and to little rod to catch live baits using microjigs ).... Been known to have two rods out , as many as I feel comfortable with . not a kyak guy, not a boat guy. The ACT fisheries are NOT run by fishers.
Thanks for watching, and the fine is the maximum - doubt that would happen for rods alone. The ACT has its virtues though, but I agree, for most of us, 2 rods is all we need, my concern is the nonsense over spare rods on the shore line, boat, yak or car - that to me is WTF
For crying out loud, the difference between 'in possession' and 'in use' is so obvious... And as for only having 1 in your possession, what if you break the rod? These beauracrats are fools. I always have 4 in my kayak - 1 Flyrod, 1 Baitcaster, 1 light eggbeater and 1 medium. No bait just artificials, so how on earth can I deploy or attend more than one at a time? What about people travelling Oz from north to south or somesuch and have half a dozen or more rods in the car to cover dams, coastal, lakes and rivers? Clearly if the Fisheries come across someone sitting on a bank with 5 rods all out and baitfishing then YES, book them. Clearly the Laws were written by idiots with no fishing experience or consultation 🤬🤬🤬
I think that the term "lowest common denominator" comes to mind here, rules are often written with that in mind and then left for others to administer - as they see fit
@RodNPaddle I thank the stars I live in FNQ, however am hitting the road soon for a 4 month trip down to SA and back. I usually carry 10 - 12 rods in the car for spouse and I to fish with in impoundments and coastal, so may have some interesting encounters around the ACT en route... I appreciate this video mate, some incredibly important (although aggravating) information... At the very least will have all rods stored in bags and reels in a drawer. Cheers, Dave
I’m in trouble then. I’m a grey nomad and I have 12 rods in my ute at all times. Beach spinning beach casting. Estuary, dams, river light and heavy etc etc. l cannot leave rods in my home as I don’t have one. Sounds like another dictatorial act we do not need, it just limits our freedom.
so if a methed up crackhead (which there are plenty in Canberra I noticed on a recent visit) carjacks somebody, holds up a servo and runs over a kid, they would probably get a lesser sentence than if I had 3 fly rods in my car, which I do quite regularly....who is the bigger criminal?, I'm not sure what message they are trying to send?
No mate I didn’t miss the point. The law says TWO rods. If you don’t know the regulations, you shouldn’t be fishing. Try arguing with a Victorian inspector and see how far you get.
Cut this crap out. The worst behaviours I've witnessed are from white Australians. Sure, international visitors do often take undersized fish. Not good. However, cartons of jd cans n broken stubbies, ciggy butts, obnoxious language, intrusively loud music, also killing unwanted fish for no reason, are all things I see and report regularly. This sentiment that "they" are doing the wrong thing, is pretty ignorant. People follow regulations or they don't. Skin colour and birthplace is irrelevant
Get rid of the states and have one law for everyone/everywhere. All the states want to do is build different sized railway tracks, to this day. Wherever possible.
I think you will find they do not have to be. This is addressed at 3:19 in the video. "...you would be contravening the rules regardless of whether the rods are rigged or not. The legislation, as it currently stands, makes no mention of 'rigged' rods..."
@ the Fisheries Act makes no mention of how many hooks, basically just mentions if you are fishing you must be within 10m of your rod and be able to see it at all times. If you move to the declaration of fishing gear by virtue of section 17 of the ACT Fisheries Act. It refers to gear as being rods with no more than two hooks, ie a rod not rigged is not capable of being used for fishing (and as a matter of inference/interpretation an unrigged rod does not come under the definition of fishing gear (u can’t catch fish unless the rod is rigggedt) Unfortunately I couldn’t find any case law in the ACT to clarify but it’s a valid interpretation. If you commit an offence with an unrigged rod, u commit an offence if you’re near water with a stick (they have been used as fishing rods in the past). I think your advice is incorrect and that the Representative who provided should seek legal advice. 😂. Note the term in the declaration of fishing gear a rod WITH no more than two hooks. A rod with hooks under the definition is fishing gear.
You would think that, but I asked that in my email to them - the response was that it was a maximum of two rods or lines, period, and specifically said that because there was no mention of rigged in the rules, then the rigged argument did not apply
So each time you want to try for a different species you have to go back to the ramp drive home,change rods drive 40minutes back put boat in AGAIN...ETC ETC..WHAT A JOKE...WHAT NIT WIT THOUGHT UP THIS RULE...and my tinnie is 40yrs old NO ROD LOCKERS....JUST STUPIDITY.
This is an example of a stupid law, writing by lazy people. If the angler's apparatus is legal and bag, catch, or possession limits apply to size and catch number, how is this impacting fish stocks? Where is the logic? This has nothing to do with fish conservation but to trip up the otherwise law-abiding persons into a fine. I give an example of how a law can be interpreted: A fish stocking group in another state was researching the growth rates of mature caught fish. They were to collect the fish's ear bones, also known as otoliths, a calcium carbonate structures that help fish hear, sense vibrations, and maintain balance. They are located in the inner ear, behind the brain, and below the eye. The specimens were to be collected from numerous anglers over time, then sent to a laboratory for analysis. In the light of this, four fishery officers advised each otoliths repsented a fish and anyone in possession of the legal limit would be prosecuted. This is the new Australia, government's deliberate act to gouge more money from the public.
To add fuel to the fire, anyone who has fished lakes in the ACT (which are not well looked after anyway) is most likely to catch a Redfin Perch or a Carp, both of which make up the bulk of the biomass in their lakes systems, oh, and did I mention both are considered pests - now lets talk about stupid laws that impact fish stocks and governments trying to gouge money. Thanks for watching and commenting, appreciate the love
We are being treated like the prisoners of past , the majority of Australians are ethical and conservative people. , STOP treating us like we aren’t. I can’t say we are all law abiding , especially when the so called laws are just BS revenue raisers what about someone who is travelling the country that has a number of outfits to cover a number of targeted fish. when will this over regulation stop, when will the people stand up for their rights.
Fisheries are a bunch of total flogs fisheries officers are power tripping Wayne Kers. Fishing license fees should not exist and should be abolished no bull crap license should be required for anyone to go fishing government either
TALK ABOUT BUREAUCRATIC OVER KILL AND WASTE OF TAXPAYERS MONEY , TOO MANY DEPARTMENTS AND NOT ENOUGH INTELLIGENCE. IF YOU ARE OUT ON A JETTY OR THE ROCKS AND YOU HAVE EXTRA RODS IN YOUR CAR, YOU ARE NOT USING THEM, THAT RULE IS MORONIC.
I am 78 yrs old, fished all my life, in Victoria, and have always known "maximum two rods per licence at any time in fresh water fishing" Change your rig to suit what you are targeting. Maybe buy two licences to use four rods. THIS RAISES THE BIG QUESTION ARE WE TALKING ABOUT RODS PER PERSON OR RODS PER LICENCE ????
What a good old whinge.😪 Now...Take a deep breath, get your foot out of your mouth and look again. Firstly it is every anglers responsibility to check on whats allowed. Easily accessible on internet. Note! contrary to your statement above. Both Victoria and NSW require a licence to fish (recreationally) in Fresh and Salt waters There are also limiting statutes for # of rods, types of baits etc. Why then should ACT be different? By the way, in case you had not noticed, most countries on Earth require a licence to fish.
thanks for watching, and maybe some will see it as a winge - however I was simply trying to highlight an issue. I have no issue with licences, I have 2 licences for 2 states, and have never had a problem paying for either. The ACT does not require a licence and do nothing the help rec fishing as far as I can ascertain. I disagree with you about where the responsibility lies - surely it is the responsibility of a regulator to make their regulations understandable, clear and easy to access, all of which they have failed to do. These are old rules (25+ years), and by their own admission, have not been updated in many years, however for the past year they are being enforced. They are also not clear, and searching anglers boats and cars for extra rods is not on, for many reasons, not the least of which is they are located in your own private property, and not being used - and importantly the only reason being enforced is because the regulation's (old, don't forget) do not not say not to - that's also by their own admission. Sorry you didn't get my point, but most have, and the good thing is it now appears that some people with influence may be able to get the process started for these poorly written rules to be updated.
I’m with you. This is a shit waste of a UA-cam. The rules are stated online and this guy with no idea should delete this shit video as I’m about to do…
Why do you need more than two rods. MATE you ARE A TOOL. Take the lot rods kyak gear the lot. They might even search your house. That's what would happen in Victoria. Make sure you know the bloody rules before you go.
yes go to explain that to some S... for brain it is thru that i cant handle more than 3 in but I always carrie spare and different types according to day and conditions, yes i support the fine for someone having 5 or 6 rods in the water at same time it is ridiculously imposible to attend to all.
HI BILL, THANKS FOR RAISING THIS QUESTION. MAYBE WE SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT RODS PER PERSON . LEGALLY WE SHOULD DISCUSS NUMBER OF RODS PER LICENCE. ITS NOT THE NUMBER OF RODS YOU HAVE WITH YOU ITS SHOULD BE THE NUMBER OF RIGGED RODS YOU HAVE LICENCE FOR IN YOUR POSESSION. I.E. PAY ONE LICENCE = TWO RODS, PAY TWO LICENCES = FOUR RODS, I'D BE HAPPY TO PAY TWO LICENCE FEE'S
another rule by someone that ad no clue about fishing .carp anglers norm is 3 rods i always carrie 5 or 6 rods with 2 or 3 in use 2 set and one in hand watch all video on you tube.
Their argument is to keep a sustainable fishing platform - honestly if you do have 5 rods and are fishing for carp in Canberra, and you hook up all 5 rods at once - you are not even making a dent on the biomass of carp in canberras waterways
I will carry 4 rods on my kayak but i don’t use more than 1 at a time.
I just love the different styles and i like to practice.. it’s relaxing..
Im from Victoria, most Fisheries guys i bump into are really nice, have a chat, recommend a spot to cast, and off they go.
But i also realise not everyone gets that treatment and i see so many fishermen doing the right thing on the internet and they get slammed for it while like you said people bank fish with around 6 rods and completely get away with it..
it’s definitely a topic worth talking about
I, like you, usually have 2 to 4 rods with me, each to suit a particular style of fishing more than anything else. Also, like you, I enjoy the ambience as well as the challange, and my experience with Rangers and the like has always been positive, I think, because they recognise what I'm about and trying to achieve on the water, and I respect their roles.
In respect to what's been happening in the ACT, I don't hold the Rangers responsible - but I do believe the department management is responsible, as they are the ones pushing to uphold old, out dated rules, that are so vague in their wording that it allows for varying interpretation by both fishers and Rangers alike, and presiding over this whole steaming heap is a politician who has already who has already indicated that fishers are a long way down the priority list - any wonder the stink ! Thanks for the watch and comment, 'keep on catchin'.
Hi Bill. Thanx for raising this issue. I really dont mind what the regs are as long as they put in the effort to let everyone know EXACTLY what those regs are! If the relevant authorities wish to come up with a set of regs it is up to them to make sure that they are readily accessible to everyone. I have the NSW Fisheries app on my phone and it not only gives you up to date info but you can use it as a reference in case you get challenged. ACT needs to get their act (ACT) together on this. Once again, thanx Bill.
Couldnt agree more Bob
Consider my position as a grey nomad. I would need a doctorate to work out the dictates in different states and be compliant.
I can’t manage 2 rods at once on my kayak, let alone 4, but I always carry 3 or 4 each rod has it’s own purpose. It shouldn’t matter how much gear you have, it’s how you use it. Who doesn’t carry a spare reel with them in case one plays up. My car boot is gonna get me in trouble 😂
Yeah, the rules are kinda stupid, glad you understood the meaning of the video, like you I wouldn't want my car searched, even if I was just beside the water taking photos
I stay in Canberra for uni at ANU and I bring all my fishing gear from Sydney and leave it in my car. I have 2 trout rods and 2 beach rods. Thanks for informing me about this rule as it could affect me when I go trout fishing and I have the beach rods in my car at the same time.
Glad I helped - just be aware - as I said in the video, designated trout waters in the ACT are 1 rod, not 2. Tightlines, and thanks for watching
Hey There
Had a similar situation on the south coast of NSW.
NSW fisheries let me off with a warning for having more than four rods(rigged)
I still take at least four rods when fishing, just don’t have lures or hooks attached/ rigged. Starting using clips where appropriate too.
Stupid rule all the same!
Sounds like you’re on the right track! You can have other spare rods with you, not rigged though. Max rigged for salt is 4
I think I read in the wording it also reads in possession of fishing equipment would have to read through again so does that mean if I had additional equipment with me not being used I'd still be in trouble, Ouch but I think that if their not being used and their locked stored away U should not be getting in trouble
Different country I know but in NZ the rule is one line at a time in the water per license holder . Keeps it simple.
Thanks for the video. This is so typical of Canberra. Lived , worked, raised and educated 4 kids there, and as was said to me before I moved there : his words " There is no other place in Australia where you will find more over educated idiots ".
How true this is. I could write pages and pages of instances of things that happened there, but most people wouldn't believe me.
It’s a shame, but there seems to be a whole new level of “over educated” rule-making in Canberra! I must admit, when I lived there and did like wise, I didn't quite realise the extent of things.,
Com on mate it's really no biggie, I've been a keen kayak fisher for years and only ever take a 5 _ 8kg with a bait caster and a 7 // 2_ 4 kg with a 2500 spin reel, and they are good for flat head to cod and most things in between, cheers.
Thanks for watching Steve, and really appreciate your view - I sometimes do similar , this was more about warning folks who really have no idea because the plod haven't made much effort to tell or explain
You can carry 100 rods in Michigan, BUT ONLY TWO CAN BE READY TO USE. Meaning two rods with hooks for bait or lures.
Yep, and that's the point isn't it - clear and concise
Thanks for being here, thanks for the comment - rug up a little , springs on its way
@ Same with ice fishing. Can only have two rods. You can use two ice fishing poles, two tip ups, or one pole and one tip up. You also have to be in the area of your tip up. Meaning you can’t set a tip up then leave.
Another major criminal apprehended
Apparently
Thanks for an interesting topic. I live and fish in Newcastle, NSW. Our four-rod rule seems more sensible. (Although, if two anglers had eight rods spread along a pier, I’d be annoyed.) And I wouldn’t take more than three on my kayak anyway. But I hadn’t considered what’s in my car. I tend to keep a lot of gear in my SUV - so I can just get up and go early. I hadn’t thought whether this might break a rule. Although, I’m normally fishing a long way from the car, on the yak, the beach, or rocks. The ACT seems too strict. And it’s missing the point of stopping those anglers with six or seven rods spread along the banks.
I think, after speaking to NSW fisheries, spare rods are no issue - as long as they are "properly stowed" - ie left in the car, in boat rod lockers, secured in rod holders on kayaks, importantly not rigged for action (no hooks) if on board. Fresh is the same, 4 attended rods, but only two rigged ready to use.
The ACT is strict because NO ONE has looked at the very old regs that some bureaucrats decided they would start enforcing. Maybe now some will.
Thanks for watching and commenting, truly appreciated
Guaranteed the stupid guy who came up with these laws dont even fish. or if they did, that they dont fish often at all.
Hoping that everyone kicks a fuss about this where they would need to review these decisions properly.
I suspect very old rules, not aligned to the century we live in, poorly communicated and then all of a sudden enforced. By their own admission, 479 anglers have been stopped, questioned and/or fined since the end of April 24, seriously !!!
@@RodNPaddlethat person rides a bike & has blue hair
No one agrees to the tyrants and their opposition to humans doings human activities , remember when you agree to vote for these creeps , it gives THEM the mandate to enact their personal fetish , humans should stop handing you're rights to politicians , so they can take them away ,,, cheers be safe .
This happens in the business world as well. It reflects a failure to effectively manage or enforce a simple policy or rule, leading to changes that eliminate any chance of noncompliance. In other words, it’s a sign of poor management and a lack of trust. It’s like being told you can’t drive a car capable of 220kph just because you might exceed the speed limit. Overregulation, Paternalistic Management at its best.
It happens everywhere - every time we write rules, regulations and even instructions, it becomes left to the reader/interpreter to figure them out - just take the instructions that come with ikea flatfaks as a classic example, anyway - in this case they are interpreted by department officers of one standing or another, and when they are not well defined, this is what you get, especially if that officer has little or no understanding of the sport, or issues surrounding it. Thanks for your time.
As a past resident of Canberra, I can see exactly what is happening here, and nothing has changed in all these years!.
You hit the nail on the head at 16:45...I will try to be as clear as I can, THEY DON'T WANT YOU FISHING IN LBG!..The NCA (National Capital Authority) has always had an issue with recreational fisherman, there is a reason why everybody EXCEPT fisherman are allowed onto LBG with petrol engines fitted for use to their boats..the sailing clubs, the rowing clubs (all those poor little rich kids) the tourist operators, the water police, ANU, Uni of Canberra, CIT, ACT Parks and Gardens, ActewAGL - the list goes on and on, they are all allowed to zoom around the lake with their motors at full tilt....I bet you will never get pulled up when fishing at Lake Ginninderra or Tuggers, as the NCA have no interest 10kms from Parliament House....I wish I was wrong, but it has always been the case, and as the city becomes more gentrified and polarised towards the affluent, it will only get worse...stay tuned for a fee for your fishing licence, to pay for all the work they had to do to restructure the fishing laws to come onto line with the rest of the country...government bureaucracy and public service laziness at its finest!
Hope your wrong, and with greater awareness from those that do fish responsibly a little pressure comes there way, and they come into line with a state like NSW, I hope.
Thanks for watching, listening and commenting
We have to have a fishing licence in nsw. Do you guys need a fishing licence?
Sounds like pretty much everything else about the ACT. Too many rules made by too many people who know nothing about anything.
Right on, glad I dont live there anymore
Unless your a crackhead all drug use is now legal in ACT
Beware, many of ACT regs are just a copy of NSW. www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fishing/recreational/fishing-rules-and-regs/perm-prohib-freshwater
My rods are always in my car. 3 spinning rods and 2 baitcasters. Often an extra rod or 2 makes it into the mix. I never know if I am gonna be fishing Lake Burley Griffin for redfin or the Murrumbidgee for cod. I do not want to be on the water, break a graphite stick and have no backup.
I carry rods to cover any circumstance. I use 2 at a time, the others are not in use. Good luck to them in me playing their games.
I do the same, my car has 5 rods in it, and reels to match, and they are just my "in case I get to go some place I can fish" scenario - they are not usually what I take if I go in earnest - I was saying to the guy who told me the story that started this off, that I could be locked up for just parking near a waterway in the ACT, not even intending to fish - its a stupid state of mismanagement by the relevant department.
When he was stopped out on the water last week (no where near his car) the junior Ranger actually suggested going back to inspect his vehicle to see if it had more rods in it, luckily the senior Ranger decided against doing so - possibly because he has more sense and doesn't necessarily agree with what they were doing, or possibly because the angler concerned was always polite and compliant with them. Either way - it just shows what their thinking around enforcement is (as a dept).
@@RodNPaddle Go to Uriarra or Kambah Pool for a swim, end up with a fine and all your gear confiscated, even though you have not cast a lure or bait all day. A ranger just happened to walk past the car and observe some rods... That's where this ends up. It has to be reasonable, I am all for bag limits, rod limits and size limits. However, those things have to be sensible and sensibly enforced or it is just a free for all in the opposite direction.
Geez how about how many fold up chairs am I allowed and buckets, or amount of lures I have, what a joke
It is a joke alright
Only one chair per person and three buckets. Providing not more than two buckets are upside down, one for each butt cheek and one to carry items. It is essential that not more than two buckets are carried at one time and each bucket is supported by a single appendage, when transporting more than two buckets multiple trips should be used. However a single chair and a single bucket may be carried at the same time provided that only the bucket has lures contained within and the chair does not. Hope this helps (laughing/not laughing)
imagine if your a caravaner and get a waterside spot in the caravan park and are fishing from the shore
I know, it's just nuts
Thank you for this information IV not been fishing in ACT but am looking to be going soon. And I'm glad this came to my attention because I'd definitely be in some trouble IV got 4 rods I use regularly when kayaking.
Thanks for watching, and I'm glad it was helpful!
The video has been instrumental in triggering an awareness, and hopefully now a ground swell to have them changed for the better, ie to atleast match NSW - which would make a whole lot of sense.
In the meantime, stay safe, tight lines, and thank you
Aussies need to rise up against the ridiculous oversight & officer/copsplaining/legalise speak of the (so called) "Government". There is no limit to the arrogance of the individuals who get a place in the (so called) "law enforcement" economy . As a red blooded Aussie - with some suspected Indigenous ancestory - I really despise these STUPID & outrageous regulations. When I fish with friends & relatives, we nearly never keep any native fish & we resent, very deeply, the Govt. oversight that tries to tell us what we can/cannot do!! Is Australia a free country?
Then and of the free - until they tell you to pay up it seems
Can’t even shit in your own house for free
Aussies..?? "Need"...to rise UP!!??😂you are joking!!??😂🤣😏..98% waxxed!!?? Back to sleep jobbo!!😂🤣
Will never happen here. Aussies seem to love laws
It may be like fishing the Snowy Mountains Lakes. It's rods that are fully rigged that they care about. People wind in rods when they see the inspector coming.
Nah, they mean a MAX of two rods or lines, hooks or not, and by attended they mean with you, or nearby or in your transport that got you there - so in essence way different to NSW
What? ....so here Im sitting in my boat minding my own business and approx up to 15 kms away from my car...they expect me to travel all the way back to my car to show them if I also have spare rods in my "own" car .....just so that they can get a hard on......what a pack of arseholes.....every angler should now just stop purchasing fishing licences and protest in mass at the local primary industrial office, state government, and major fishing outlets...... and not stop until these fishery rangers are fired and these draconian shit laws are eliminated.
Unfortunately it is the way the rules are written - probably by people who don't fish - the Rangers just enforce them. Adam gave me a good analogy, "fishings like golf, imagine playing 18 holes with just a sand wedge and putter".
Bloody madness !!!
Shane, we cannot stop paying license fees as there are none charged in the ACT. We have a local government that is not a State Government but a Legislative Assembly that cares more about rainbow crossings and electric buses then sensible legislation. The fishing outlets are mainly BCF and they don't care.
Oh well .....we'll just continue to have the good old she'll be right attitude...to the day when no one will be able to do anything except sit behind closed doors and cry their eyes out because they've lost all their freedoms that our forefathers sacrificed their lives for.....then they can then say that they can't change anything. I am happy that I soon will be maybe too old to enjoy any fishing to the extent that I once did....especially if I have to stand next to a member of the new limp dicked generation who are too scared to stand up against any social injustice ......and by the way enjoy waving your stupid Chinese made Australian flags on Australia day....LOL
Shane obviously has a very, very low IQ.
As a fly angler… i often take several rods to a destination, because each rod has a specific purpose with their size and action type. Depending on the conditions will determine which rod is required. However, they are in their cases unless being used. I would have an extremely heated confrontation if i were to be pulled up for this…
Too bad if you travelled a few hours to the fishing destination, only to realise the rod you brought with you isn’t suitable for the conditions. What a wasted day, because you aren’t allowed to have multiple rods to accommodate…
Especially in ACT trout waters - ACT limits you to only one rod, - period, cased or not, rigged or not
Yep, well thought out rules
Thank you for the information.
I am in QLD. I have not fished much for most of my working life. I have always been a keen fisher. I am getting into kayak fishing lately with very limited success.
I have just started out with a very basic paddle kayak with limited attachment points. So my question is have you tried using captive thread inserts into a kayak. I am thinking of adding some outriggers for extra stability and flat storage area. There is no hull access inside to enable additional fixing points.
I would recommend joining up with a kayak group and get some help.
You can fit captive nuts like well nuts to the hulls, but they are not designed to be load bearing. Unless you really need out riggers, ditch that idea, as they really are not a great idea. If you are worried about tipping out - best thing to do is exactly that, and learn how to self rescue, doing that will cure you of the need for stabilisers, and help you realise tipping out is part and parcel of the sport.
If its because you want to stand, if it is the right sort of kayak, then that's just a matter of practice. You can message me direct off the Facebook page, happy to suggest and help out where possible, may also be able to hook you up with some experienced buddies. Thanks for watching and commenting, tightlines Richard
@ thank you for getting back to me. The outrigger idea was as much about giving me some extra room to carry red claw traps as it was about stability. I will take your advice though and hold off for a while. I didn’t even know there are clubs. I don’t do face books at all. I got the kayak because it is just too hard to fish because of the weed situation at most of the places I have been. Again thanks.
Thanks for highlighting this. They should bring rules into line between NSW and ACT. Fish don’t change when they cross state lines so rules shouldn’t.
You know what, I think you are spot on.
Hmm, if you take that analogy, ACT should have fishing licence like NSW does?
@ yes that is what I am saying for sure.
What if I live in a van or small bus?. This is my home, where else am I going to keep my rods. Surely they can't search my closet for rods if I'm fishing near by.
Spot on, I have raised this question - do they have the right ? Seems pretty far out there to me
that is the most stupid thing that I have heard of. I travel all over the country and when I am in my car I normaly have five rods with me and a couple of hand lines. Then when I go out on my boat I could have even more for I travel hundreds of kms and may not come back to land for days. If the stop me they can check my catch but for any other things they better have a search warrent for I will take them on for harresment. I have had this with them before about a radio licence I got stopped five times in one day and on the fifth time by the water police I unscewed the radio and threw it over the side in 100 meters of water and told them that now you can spend time to search for me if I go missing, note each time I advised them that I was in the army and that automaticaly allowed me to opperate a radio on any frequencies.
Yep - vague regs and over the top implementation
Not every rod and reel does what you want.
Neither does every fish 😆
But yes, thats my point - maybe 30 years ago, but now we have moved on, it seems those that decide have not
Hate to be passing by travelling between states, i normally travel with six or seven types of rods as i don't know if i will be fly fishing, surf, river or game.
Yeah, the rules are pretty dumb, but you can't blame the guys enforcing them.
And thats my whole point - because they are not clearly defined, they can be enforced in a very open ended manner
Freshwater NSW is 2 rods as in the ACT, not 4 rods as stated.
Hey Andrew - you are correct, 2 in use, however you can have another 2 with you when lure fishing - a mistake people often make.
See from the NSW Freshwater guide:-
"2 (bait)
4 (rigged with artificial flies or lures only, with only 2 in use at any time)"
As others have said. This low was most definitely written by a non angler. Here in NSW, as stated in the video, you can have up to 4 rods in use in salt water, which is where I usually fish.
This legislation in the ACT needs to be reviewed and amended. I'm glad I don't live there any more.
Yep, the ACT is a bit of a black hole sometimes. Thanks for watching.
Yeah. A moral black hole😂
Oh boy that’s a shocker! They clearly know a lot about fishing 🙄
Or not .....
The problem with Australia is we have 3 levels of government. We need to standardise rules and regulations for fishing, boating, roads, etc.
You are not alone in suggesting that, thanks for watching and commenting
I'm in Canberra and had no idea cheers for the heads up
Your most welcome, and good luck
So if you rented a shack for the weekend leave and return from your shack, are you allowed fishing rods there?
Sounds ideal, and I would doubt that would be an issue as surely the shack would be private property -
Oh wait, so is your car 🤣
Short answer is wtfk 🤔
This highlights a much bigger problem across Australia -> the multiple sets of state based rules.
Easy answer, get rid of the state governments. Result will be 1 health service, 1 emergency service (fire/police/ambulance), 1 education system, 1 transport system, etc.
Interesting thoughts, I am not sure I am on side with this, but I am just a little surprised how many times this has been said here. Thanks for watching
I’m asking this question 11.30 into the video
* Does this mean that if I’m camping for several days, I’m limited to 2 rods to camp & fish with… (gee hope I don’t brake any while holidaying)
* Grey nomads traveling through the ACT how many rods are they allowed…
* (this is a ahole question but as we know there are aholes with badges also) so does that restrict the number of rods I can buy at a time
I ask the above because of how the Vicpol & QLDpol are currently behaving with regard to 4x4’s
Yeah, Vic and QLD are interesting atm - Casey in Vic is off the charts with restictions on residents, WTF.
In essence, if you are on, or next to a waterway in the ACT, and you have more than two rods with you (in hand, on ground within sight or 10m, or in your vehicle), whether they are rigged or not - then yes, you can be warned and/or fined.
In essence that is what I am trying to make people aware of, not so much the number of rods. Enjoy your travels and thanks for watching
nah there be those using multiple lures at once by trolling them behind the boat
Yeah, there will be some who troll more than two lures ea behind boats, but thats more trouble than its worth - seriously
About as tyrannical and stupid as it gets , pity we never investigated port Arthur massaque , we might have had a better Australia today
Pretty stupid, agreed
If you carry more than 2 rods in your possession they must be not rigged. EG carry your reels etc. To change rods de rig them as they are then classed as a stick not a rod.
NSW fresh water, Vic freshwater - yes you are correct. ACT no so - 2 rods or lines, thats it, and that is the crux of the problem, its not clear nor is it promoted or understood.
@@RodNPaddle Running a bit behind the times in the ACT then.
I’m a lazy fisherman I set up my different rods with different rigs so I’m not doing it out on the water at no point do I have 5 rods in the water. 3 at most I would drive away or walk away if they tried to fine me
The questioned has been raised - are they lawfully allowed to detain you, search you or your belongings - and even issue you fines - all good questions I think
Just another day in big brother Australia
Yep
A tackle addict would be in trouble. Silly regulations created by non fishing persons.
Completely agree
One country, one law. It's time to do away with the states.
Yeah - I can just see that working 😀 but i do agree, at least the eastern states
Surely the hunters n fishers party objected to this or are they bought also ?
The response to this was massive, and I had only sought to raise public awareness, I would suggest that few people had much of an idea on what was happening
W T F, whose the fool, great video
Thanks for watching and commenting, appreciate it
How do I get a copy of the reply that you got from the ACT Government? I intend to take this up at Ministerial level. I'd also be prepared to take any fine/warning etc to ACAT. It's absolutely ridiculous if you look at the legal definition of "use'. If your car is sitting in your driveway with no license plate and a broken tail light it's not a problem - as soon as you take it on the road and actually "use' it, you're breaking the law.
Graham Fifield is also interested in taking up the chain. You can email me at rodnpaddle@gmail.com and I can send you the email chain.
thanks for the interest
G'day from Queensland.
Hi from NSW 😀
@RodNPaddle this was an interesting video. I used to live in Canberra and fished the local lakes and Point Hut and Pine Island. We used to use up to 4 rods at a time. I moved in 2003.
Does this same rule apply if you have a couple of handlines. ?
Sure does, max of two lines - even applies if the line has no hooks attached, or even a blank rod in the car - that is how badly interpreted the rule is by the department
These people making these rules are bloody idiots...
Where is the common sense in these laws..
There are different types of fishing techniques you don't use all of them at once.
Unless your an octopus 😆
@RodNPaddle conceding most people also practice catch and release these days not like the old days when everything was taken it's a bloody joke..
Just remember, you can legally smoke meth in the ACT but don't you dare have 2 or more rods lol
Just imagine having to front court because a ranger discovered 3 fishing rods in the back of your car - it's to ridiculous to even consider
@RodNPaddle Just have meth in your boot instead....we live in a crazy world
combo. Then i might be into a Cod zone and put my Cod combo in. I have broken a rod while fishing from my yak , therefor needing another combo to fish with. I always carry several rods in my car . The rules as they are , are not clear at all and they know it. It would really be good for those who make the rules, to come out and fish with other fisho's who have been doing this a long time and see how we really fish . Also why don't they have a meeting with Fisho's and talk about our great sport. If i didn't get myself out on the water , i would go nuts. They should police those who use lot's of fishing rods and keeping everthing they catch. You know who they are and i know. But they don't . I have been spoken to by inspectors at Googong , Casurina Sands and LBG . Hope all is good with yourself and that common sence prevails , Cheers Paul
You know, Paul, the rules are pretty broad, they really need to be clarified. Normally, I always carry an extra rod in the car though, just in case. Seems that's not a good idea
G'day 007fishingcanberra. We should all start carrying all our rods and gear in the cars. Malu Hunter got pulled up on the Cotter and warned about rods in the car a few months back. I have always carried a few rods. Who knows when you are going to need them? Besides which, the coastal fishing allows 4 rods, and I often hit the lakes before I head to the coast to pick up some fresh carp fillets for bait. The ACT Government has done bugger all for us, so the social contract is on shaky ground.
Sadly every recreational activity is under attack in OZ. Every one of us is guilty of the "divide and conquer" attitude of not supporting other recreational pass times. Anglers don't support Bow hunters, who don't support Rock Climbers, who don't support Dirt Bike Riders, who don't support Firearms users, who don't support 4x4 drivers etc etc. The "Parks" juggernaut sticks together as you stated "joint operations" and we are all divided by our disdain for others pass times.
This allows the "Business model of enforcement" to take place. Where by to get your promotion you invent new rules, hire underlings to enforce them and then to pay for them you impose fines. When those underlings want a promotion they rinse and repeat until you get a massive white elephant with ever increasing need for fines to fund paper work, reports, HR, bushiness managers and a plethora of unneeded red tape. Office 's full of people who are not involved in or have no idea of what they are legislating about. Time for all recreations to support each other before our national pass time becomes legislative think tanks.
Bureaucracy !!!
Would they fine you for having a handful of rigged rids in your car if you were out fishing on your kayak?
Yes
Governments getting involved in areas without experience and understanding the actual fishing reality - this is sad
Sure is
Corporate employees have no lawful right to raise revenue for the crown. Unless they can prove they are a public servant who has sworn the correct oath they have no right to even talk to you!
Interesting point you make, it might just be my next video 😀
@RodNPaddle i hope so, we need to stand together as fishos and say no to corporate communism
It amazes me how these bureaucrats with what seems like no real world experience can make up the rules regarding the number of rods that can be used. With all the different fish species, then obviously a different rod and set up is required. Ask these Jerks if they have ever tried to catch a whiting on a Marlin rod. I doubt the would know the difference.
Might be better of asking if they would play a 18 holes of holes with a putter 😆
Glad you don’t own a cast net 🥺I see fishing license requirements apply 🤨 I’m in Qld now 🫶🏽🙏🇦🇺👀Canberra want to wake up ! Do people still do the bird man into the brown lake 🦆
🤣 nah, Birdman went a long time ago, and yeah, beaurocrats and poorly written 30 year old rules, that someone decided needed enforcing.
Absolutely ridiculous
100%
One question is Jervis bay covered by ACT fisheries. Seeing it's policed by the AFP
QLD is 3 rods or Hooks in a normal zone.
In a special marine zone it drops two.
Thats a good point, they make no mention of it, and it does not appear on their map, and they make no mention of salt water - so if by the letter of the law, I guess they could argue the point and fine you - maybe
@RodNPaddle it appears to be new
But it's a mix of who ever the federal government has contacted it out to
Difference is in QLD is you can have 100 rods rigged on the deck if you like, it’s only the rods in use that count. The ACT rules are stupid. Fisheries here (in QLD) don’t even look at your rods, they’ll check your license, safety gear and catch if you have any and then they’re on their way.
Jervis Bay is NSW Fisheries and Maritime, NSW waters except for the area immediately surrounding Creswell, which has exclusionary buoys around it. I haven’t researched it but I think NSW Fisheries and police may have special constable powers in the Commonwealth areas adjacent to Creswell, the police definitely do.
@@RodNPaddle JB is coastal, 4 rods, rigged. Administered by NSW DPI. The regulations and military and marine exclusion zones are also spelled out. Most of these things are available on the relevant fishing regulation websites.
What a load of crap. To land one fish on a Kayak is hard you are not running 4 rods at one time. People who fish must make the laws and enforce.
I do wonder how many of these rules are actually tested by the people who make them.
Nanny state. Too many ridiculous laws
Yep
sounds very much like this is revenue raising .... $5000 fine for spare rods !!! I am so glad I never fish ACT waters.
I fish big fish in NSW from breakwalls ( 1 jewfish outfit , 1 snapper outfit , and to little rod to catch live baits using microjigs )....
Been known to have two rods out , as many as I feel comfortable with .
not a kyak guy,
not a boat guy.
The ACT fisheries are NOT run by fishers.
Thanks for watching, and the fine is the maximum - doubt that would happen for rods alone. The ACT has its virtues though, but I agree, for most of us, 2 rods is all we need, my concern is the nonsense over spare rods on the shore line, boat, yak or car - that to me is WTF
For crying out loud, the difference between 'in possession' and 'in use' is so obvious... And as for only having 1 in your possession, what if you break the rod? These beauracrats are fools. I always have 4 in my kayak - 1 Flyrod, 1 Baitcaster, 1 light eggbeater and 1 medium. No bait just artificials, so how on earth can I deploy or attend more than one at a time? What about people travelling Oz from north to south or somesuch and have half a dozen or more rods in the car to cover dams, coastal, lakes and rivers? Clearly if the Fisheries come across someone sitting on a bank with 5 rods all out and baitfishing then YES, book them.
Clearly the Laws were written by idiots with no fishing experience or consultation 🤬🤬🤬
I think that the term "lowest common denominator" comes to mind here, rules are often written with that in mind and then left for others to administer - as they see fit
@RodNPaddle I thank the stars I live in FNQ, however am hitting the road soon for a 4 month trip down to SA and back. I usually carry 10 - 12 rods in the car for spouse and I to fish with in impoundments and coastal, so may have some interesting encounters around the ACT en route... I appreciate this video mate, some incredibly important (although aggravating) information... At the very least will have all rods stored in bags and reels in a drawer. Cheers, Dave
😂😂 seriously who comes up with these rules.
Beaurocrats !!
I’m in trouble then. I’m a grey nomad and I have 12 rods in my ute at all times. Beach spinning beach casting. Estuary, dams, river light and heavy etc etc. l cannot leave rods in my home as I don’t have one. Sounds like another dictatorial act we do not need, it just limits our freedom.
I always have 4 rods in my ute - just in case I'm in need of one - so I get you.
Best advice, when in the ACT, don't park near a river or lake - 👌
so if a methed up crackhead (which there are plenty in Canberra I noticed on a recent visit) carjacks somebody, holds up a servo and runs over a kid, they would probably get a lesser sentence than if I had 3 fly rods in my car, which I do quite regularly....who is the bigger criminal?, I'm not sure what message they are trying to send?
It’s a funny old world, isn’t it?
If I go to the act and buy 3 fishing rods I can be fined when carrying them to the car !
Yep, if you are parked close to a waterway
@ 🤦🏼♂️
I’d be screwed, 1/3 my fishing gear lives in the back of the ute - todays count there’s 9 rods
No mate I didn’t miss the point. The law says TWO rods. If you don’t know the regulations, you shouldn’t be fishing. Try arguing with a Victorian inspector and see how far you get.
Ok then - thanks for watching and commenting
@5:35 the imports 😂
Wogs an Asians they don’t care what they catch they just want a bucket or 2 full
You got it !!!
Cut this crap out. The worst behaviours I've witnessed are from white Australians.
Sure, international visitors do often take undersized fish. Not good.
However, cartons of jd cans n broken stubbies, ciggy butts, obnoxious language, intrusively loud music, also killing unwanted fish for no reason, are all things I see and report regularly.
This sentiment that "they" are doing the wrong thing, is pretty ignorant.
People follow regulations or they don't. Skin colour and birthplace is irrelevant
Get rid of the states and have one law for everyone/everywhere.
All the states want to do is build different sized railway tracks, to this day. Wherever possible.
Well, thats one way
Of course this is the ACT, the centre of the stupid regulations universe.
And this is just fishing, it does make you wonder about the really important stuff
I think you’ll find the rods have to be rigged to breach the law
I think you will find they do not have to be. This is addressed at 3:19 in the video. "...you would be contravening the rules regardless of whether the rods are rigged or not. The legislation, as it currently stands, makes no mention of 'rigged' rods..."
@ the Fisheries Act makes no mention of how many hooks, basically just mentions if you are fishing you must be within 10m of your rod and be able to see it at all times. If you move to the declaration of fishing gear by virtue of section 17 of the ACT Fisheries Act. It refers to gear as being rods with no more than two hooks, ie a rod not rigged is not capable of being used for fishing (and as a matter of inference/interpretation an unrigged rod does not come under the definition of fishing gear (u can’t catch fish unless the rod is rigggedt) Unfortunately I couldn’t find any case law in the ACT to clarify but it’s a valid interpretation. If you commit an offence with an unrigged rod, u commit an offence if you’re near water with a stick (they have been used as fishing rods in the past). I think your advice is incorrect and that the Representative who provided should seek legal advice. 😂. Note the term in the declaration of fishing gear a rod WITH no more than two hooks. A rod with hooks under the definition is fishing gear.
@ Not my interpretation. Argue it with the Assembly I guess.
You would think that, but I asked that in my email to them - the response was that it was a maximum of two rods or lines, period, and specifically said that because there was no mention of rigged in the rules, then the rigged argument did not apply
correct Andrew
So each time you want to try for a different species you have to go back to the ramp drive home,change rods drive 40minutes back put boat in AGAIN...ETC ETC..WHAT A JOKE...WHAT NIT WIT THOUGHT UP THIS RULE...and my tinnie is 40yrs old NO ROD LOCKERS....JUST STUPIDITY.
I think you just nailed it - pity some others didn't get that point
This is an example of a stupid law, writing by lazy people. If the angler's apparatus is legal and bag, catch, or possession limits apply to size and catch number, how is this impacting fish stocks? Where is the logic? This has nothing to do with fish conservation but to trip up the otherwise law-abiding persons into a fine. I give an example of how a law can be interpreted: A fish stocking group in another state was researching the growth rates of mature caught fish. They were to collect the fish's ear bones, also known as otoliths, a calcium carbonate structures that help fish hear, sense vibrations, and maintain balance. They are located in the inner ear, behind the brain, and below the eye. The specimens were to be collected from numerous anglers over time, then sent to a laboratory for analysis. In the light of this, four fishery officers advised each otoliths repsented a fish and anyone in possession of the legal limit would be prosecuted. This is the new Australia, government's deliberate act to gouge more money from the public.
To add fuel to the fire, anyone who has fished lakes in the ACT (which are not well looked after anyway) is most likely to catch a Redfin Perch or a Carp, both of which make up the bulk of the biomass in their lakes systems, oh, and did I mention both are considered pests - now lets talk about stupid laws that impact fish stocks and governments trying to gouge money. Thanks for watching and commenting, appreciate the love
We are being treated like the prisoners of past , the majority of Australians are ethical and conservative people. , STOP treating us like we aren’t.
I can’t say we are all law abiding , especially when the so called laws are just BS revenue raisers
what about someone who is travelling the country that has a number of outfits to cover a number of targeted fish.
when will this over regulation stop, when will the people stand up for their rights.
Easy answer - dont risk going to the ACT 😆
Fisheries are a bunch of total flogs fisheries officers are power tripping Wayne Kers. Fishing license fees should not exist and should be abolished no bull crap license should be required for anyone to go fishing government either
Thats one view
More bloody government oversight
You nailed it
TALK ABOUT BUREAUCRATIC OVER KILL AND WASTE OF TAXPAYERS MONEY , TOO MANY DEPARTMENTS AND NOT ENOUGH INTELLIGENCE. IF YOU ARE OUT ON A JETTY OR THE ROCKS AND YOU HAVE EXTRA RODS IN YOUR CAR, YOU ARE NOT USING THEM, THAT RULE IS MORONIC.
Yeah, their take on "attended rods" is a little out there I suspect
idiots in power jush want more money if your got 4 rods in one car and four people in the car is that OK
Makes sense, but I wouldn't want to suggest that common sense would apply in the ACT 😆
I am 78 yrs old, fished all my life, in Victoria, and have always known "maximum two rods per licence at any time in fresh water fishing" Change your rig to suit what you are targeting.
Maybe buy two licences to use four rods. THIS RAISES THE BIG QUESTION ARE WE TALKING ABOUT RODS PER PERSON OR RODS PER LICENCE ????
Correct - but would you get fined in Vic for having one or more spare rods in your car, or boat lockers ?
Idiots. It’s one thing to use the rules to prosecute obvious wrongdoers - another thing entirely to hassle someone for no reason.
Yep - agreed. thx for watching and appreciate the comment
“1 in 5 fishos” that’s 5 million Reccy fishos in Aussie, that’s a lot of revenue raising!!
And that was an official Aus Govt report into the pastime done in 2023 - and does not include minors - it is big business here
wow you know how to waffle.. a shame you have to take so bloody long to express these draconian rules.
Yeah, I know - that's because it does do my head in, and I hate trying to get my head around the response I got - but at least I have put it out there
Who the hell would live in Sydney
People I guess 😆
Thanks for watching
What a good old whinge.😪 Now...Take a deep breath, get your foot out of your mouth and look again. Firstly it is every anglers responsibility to check on whats allowed. Easily accessible on internet. Note! contrary to your statement above. Both Victoria and NSW require a licence to fish (recreationally) in Fresh and Salt waters There are also limiting statutes for # of rods, types of baits etc. Why then should ACT be different? By the way, in case you had not noticed, most countries on Earth require a licence to fish.
thanks for watching, and maybe some will see it as a winge - however I was simply trying to highlight an issue. I have no issue with licences, I have 2 licences for 2 states, and have never had a problem paying for either. The ACT does not require a licence and do nothing the help rec fishing as far as I can ascertain.
I disagree with you about where the responsibility lies - surely it is the responsibility of a regulator to make their regulations understandable, clear and easy to access, all of which they have failed to do. These are old rules (25+ years), and by their own admission, have not been updated in many years, however for the past year they are being enforced. They are also not clear, and searching anglers boats and cars for extra rods is not on, for many reasons, not the least of which is they are located in your own private property, and not being used - and importantly the only reason being enforced is because the regulation's (old, don't forget) do not not say not to - that's also by their own admission. Sorry you didn't get my point, but most have, and the good thing is it now appears that some people with influence may be able to get the process started for these poorly written rules to be updated.
I’m with you. This is a shit waste of a UA-cam. The rules are stated online and this guy with no idea should delete this shit video as I’m about to do…
What a load of bullshit
What can I say to that, either sorry I offended you, or yes, I agree 👌
And no fishing from 70! People even if your capable...
God, I hope not
Why do you need more than two rods. MATE you ARE A TOOL. Take the lot rods kyak gear the lot. They might even search your house. That's what would happen in Victoria. Make sure you know the bloody rules before you go.
Thanks for watching, but I think you missed the point
INVISIBLE CONCEQUENCE OF AIR FISH ?
WHY ?
Not a clue
yes go to explain that to some S... for brain it is thru that i cant handle more than 3 in but I always carrie spare and different types according to day and conditions, yes i support the fine for someone having 5 or 6 rods in the water at same time it is ridiculously imposible to attend to all.
Yes, and surely some common sense is needed
HI BILL, THANKS FOR RAISING THIS QUESTION. MAYBE WE SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT RODS PER PERSON . LEGALLY WE SHOULD DISCUSS NUMBER OF RODS PER LICENCE. ITS NOT THE NUMBER OF RODS YOU HAVE WITH YOU ITS SHOULD BE THE NUMBER OF RIGGED RODS YOU HAVE LICENCE FOR IN YOUR POSESSION. I.E. PAY ONE LICENCE = TWO RODS, PAY TWO LICENCES = FOUR RODS, I'D BE HAPPY TO PAY TWO LICENCE FEE'S
Maybe
Australia is the most regulated and governed country in the world
And we don’t realise it
What a fkn mess
Yep, sure is over the top
another rule by someone that ad no clue about fishing .carp anglers norm is 3 rods i always carrie 5 or 6 rods with 2 or 3 in use 2 set and one in hand watch all video on you tube.
Their argument is to keep a sustainable fishing platform - honestly if you do have 5 rods and are fishing for carp in Canberra, and you hook up all 5 rods at once - you are not even making a dent on the biomass of carp in canberras waterways
easy fix don't go to the ACT to fish, and anyway why would you got to the ACT in the first place 🥱🥱🥱
That's one way of fixing it - and I thought of that - but I couldn't just let it sit at that now could I