Hope you had fun! Yu-Gi-Oh! is far from perfect, but thank you for allowing me to show your audience how wonderful the game can be under the right circumstances!
Hey, great video :D Just a small thing, but did you make a mistake by summoning Goyo? Your Tuner Blackwing - Blizzard the far north isn't an Earth Tuner, but a Darkness Tuner. Goyo requires a Earth Tuner. Other than that, really funny video :P
Seeing Alex explaining the damage step to rarran while fully knowing he is getting hit by kalut is the single greatest thing I've ever seen . This is giving great prog flashbacks
This right here is how to properly introduce someone to Yugioh. Two friends, having fun, one with the knowledge and experience to help the friend and not get too competitive.
@@wilsonsanabia4259doesn't change the fact tho, meanwhole game like hearthstone and MTG arena can be learned by yourself well the answer is just like yoursefl the powercrept is way too far making tons of YGO mechanic become obsolete, stuff like set monster facedown, setting up trap, even battle phase no longer matter. Well YGO player love it so there is no solution for newbie to learn except asking help from coach and playin essentially different game at this point
@@waskithonugroho3955 it’s not that it doesn’t matter, but it doesn’t have as much impact. The only good trap strategy that is undeniably good in this format is labrynth
@@waskithonugroho3955 there's an element of online as well as for the TCG and OCG there isn't an equivalent to Magic's Standard since MTG has a ton of obsolete mechanics, banding, land walk, champion, and so on it's just those aren't needed to be known if you want to start the game since there's a way of playing without having to worry about it.
He’s one of the people unlearned the game from in 2019, Konami missed the mark not giving him a job or letting him be a spokesman. The man has endless reach in the community and has done more than he had to for the game he loves
@@chrismcdonald6079 truly, he is very good at approaching new players and introducing them to the mechanics and intricacies of what is actually required to play the game. Konami should take more advantage of teaming up with their community to make better products/ decisions like Sega does.
@@josemarioperozofuenmayor3475 yeah create a card was one time they gave us themes to vote on online and someone bought a few thousand bots to take it over I think community outreach is D.O.A. For the game because when they try everyone either screws it up or memes it into obscurity
For everyone wondering why goyo says “earth tuner” and Cimo summoned it with a dark tuner, that card got updated text changing its summoning condition. During this format Goyo guardian can be made with any tuner
@@marvelsandals4228 except, funnily enough that's not true. In yugioh, there are 2 sectors. The TCG & the OCG, OCG for Asia and TCG for everyone else. Well, in the TCG, goyo had been unbanned to 3 and was doing absolutely nothing. But he was banned in the OCG. Then a pseudo archetype/tribe was made for Goyo Guardian and Konami of Japan decided, for some reason, to errata Goyo Guardian to needing an Earth Tuner. In fact, Goyo Guardian is the only card that was at 3 at the time of it's errata.
@@StormCrownSrThat last part isn't actually true. Makyura The Destructor was unbanned and legal for a while before it was updated to the new text. A lot of people had fun experimenting with it online when they could. I can't confirm whether there were more but that one at least was at 3.
@@lucaslennan3356makyura is a special case. it was unbanned because it was getting an errata, but at the time the new banlist was going live, makyura's card text had not yet been updated in the database so it was only legal with its old text for like a week.
GOAT'd ass video. Im so happy this ended up being such an improvement over the last one! By the way, If you ever return to Master Duel (i understand if you dont), i suggest doing it when there is a tryout duel event or normal event. Those events happen for like a week every month and they are temporary low power formats with weaker decks allowed and the game even gives you 3 different Free decks to play on those event formats without a collection. Think Tavern Brawls but they happen only once a month or so. You would have a similar experience to this but in the actual official automated client and without alot of the broken cards that plague the game in ranked. I pretty much only play Master Duel when these events are on and the games generally do have alot more back and forth like Edison. Just an idea for a future video!
This is truly a wonderful format. I love how Rarran could instantly recognize the power of cards like Starlight Road, Mirror Force, Black Whirlwind, and Absolute Zero.
@@ehrenromblon5392isn't dino rabbit known for being the closest the game has ever been to dying due to the huge amount of people quitting and low amount of new players? That's certainly a weird choice for best yugioh format.
Rarran baiting Cimo into Starlight Road was great play and really showed his fundamentals. If he knew the card synergies with Alius and Gemini Spark, he was in a winning position that game.
I agree. It's the pressure that gets to you when you don't know the cards yet, especially when you need to be mindful of recording content. It would've been cool if he did manage to win with Gemini Spark for sure.
To be fair.. Cimo should've probably switched the decks around. The Blackwing deck is much more intuitive and easy to understand on what it tries to do. The Alius deck requires him to immediately understand what a gemini is, and that Future Fusion is mostly meant as a way to send cards to the GY.
I'm so glad you got to try Yugioh this way. Edison format alone is a great game that you can spend years mastering but have fun with on your first try. It's a shame there's nothing like it in official spaces to make the new player experience tolerable.
I think the biggest difficulty with having older formats playable is a lot of the better received older formats have cards where the effect is changed so it would be a bit more effort to have the card function with the functionality that makes it a staple at the time. Future Fusion being the biggest factor in this game as well as Goyo Guardian not needing an earth tuner.
@@U1TR4F0RCE For a proper game dev team that shouldn't be a problem. Just change how those word in "the realm of the time wizard". Or Just made special variants of those older cards then with the older function that are only legal in Time Wizard.. That way KoMoney can double dip by having players buy the same card two times.
@@hurrdurrmurrgurr for master duel a lot of the good cards in some of the retro formats are ones that people wouldn't necessarily have. Outside of that though while you can't sell new cards in a retro format Konami has actually done reprints where part of why one would buy the set is because it allows access to a card that has limited availability in the retro format. Konami doesn't care about the reseller market luckily unlike magic so for example Blackwing - Vayu which was at least $10 for most of last year was reprinted in Battles of Legend Crystal Revenge and is now pennies.
What Master Duel needs is not necessarily old formats (but people are clamoring for Time Wizard format to be an optional mode, which would be fun) but just other formats in general. I had a lot of gripes about Rarran's Master Duel video stemming from shit like him refusing to finish the tutorial and then complaining the tutorial didn't teach him anything, but one thing he hit on without saying in so many words is that Ranked is the ONLY way to play master Duel mostly. Yeah during Events there's a few twists to the rules, and Casual technically exists, but they're redheaded stepchildren. Ranked is where you get your dailies done, ranked is where most of the players are, because Yugioh requires resources to play casually, and resources can only be gained in Ranked. If there were fun events always ongoing (instead of for around a week every month) and different formats you could actually complete your dailies in, Master Duel would be a lot better. And I say that as someone who got into Yugioh WITH Master Duel and is perfectly fine with just playing Ranked all the time anyway.
50:00 It shows you how healthy this game is by the fact that Rarran could have won this if he knew his spell combines whit his Neos Alias who is a Normal Monster when summoned and could have destroyed Goyo Guardian and won the game.
It also shows you how Rarran is not trying to understand the game at all, neither when he played Master Duel nor here, since he doesn't bother reading his cards.
@@gilmu5490 It wasn't as clear to me with his Masterduel video that he wasn't trying to learn the game. But this video made it so clear with how he just wasn't reading any of his cards.
@gilmu5490 felt this way too. Yugioh is absolutely too hard to get into and needs to rectify the issue. However, Rarran talked a lot of shit about the game for someone who STILL doesn't know how direct attacks work
Take him through dragon rulers or HAT next , then duelist alliance then TOSS and he's basically playing modern by then I would have started With reaper format b4 Edison tho
I'm so glad that Rarranch gave Edison format a chance! Really surprised after all of the flak Rarrandy got on the previous YGO vid, but it's super cool to see Ranthony Rantano and Cimooooooooooo interact.
As a modern and edison player, I'm glad you gave it a chance again, and found an enjoyable outlet to play Yu-Gi-Oh! Thank you for giving it an honest and unfiltered chance.
As a teacher, running a Yu-Gi-Oh! Club in my school twice a week has been one of my most enjoyable experiences I’ve had. Kids who start from zero end the year with a clear understanding of the game through my constant guidance and frequent practice. Unfortunately, the majority of new players don’t get that experience :/ Fun to see Cimo coach Rarran! You can see his genuine excitement as he went through the duels.
You were allowed to run a yugioh club at your school? God, I just remember being in elementary school back during the game's early years and getting in trouble if your teachers even SAW yugioh cards out in the open anywhere on school grounds lmfao
This made my day. I'm glad you had a great time playing in this format. :) I remember during one of my great breaks, that format was around where I got back into things, and it was a lot of fun.
Cimo does more for teaching new players than Konami does, he brought a whole new player base with Progression series and he makes History of YGO and Jank. Konami is crazy to not want to work with Cimo
I think the issue that has lead to Cimoooo being on Konami's no sponsor stuff list is that when he was more active with the TCG he was extremely vocal for always buy singles which isn't what a TCG company would want. So he's kind of like the Professor except unlike the Professor whose the largest Magic UA-camr Cimoooo's not the largest Yugituber. He can still be featured or interviewed when he plays in tournaments but they can't really approve of him.
@@U1TR4F0RCE To be fair there is worth in buying packs in Magic even at their worst, while Yu-Gi-Oh is honestly quite a nightmare to invest in building decks in.
@@U1TR4F0RCEIf every half-playble card wasn't bumped to max rarity instead of being rare/super+ultra/secret in the ocg , people would be willing to buy product.
@@Shemegory to be fair we know that's simply not true, Pankertops being the most famous example though Scrap Raptor being another where people were even surprised it wasn't rarity bumped at all.
Why has the game changed for worse ? It's a genuine question , because from what I understood modern version of the game is like master duel which is not really interactive as we've seen
@@Sampras8491there’s no rotation, so the only way to sell product is by making new cards more powerful than existing ones. If that continues for 13 years after Edison, you get modern yugioh.
@@CrowsNestRetroYGOhonestly 2016 nekroz full power with djinn+modern board breaker would absolutely win events nowadays no question about it. The powercreep is only for handtraps.
@@Sampras8491also ignore the comments above 13 years ago is 2010-2011 the winning world champion deck in 2010 is an frog ftk water synchro turbo yugioh at competitive level is just never slow or force your opponent to slow down there no in between. Yugioh especially in ocg Asian format are known for swift winning position turn 3, from bloo-d otk to ftks, there are slower format once in a blue moon but for majority of its lifespan yugioh the winner has always solved turn 3-4. I learn it the hard way in online simulator back then.
I don’t understand how anyone could have anything other than positivity to comment about this video. When I taught my friends to play Edison format this exactly how it went, and now one of them is winning Edison tournaments! It’s the perfect introduction to the game.
Thank you Rarran for giving a more enjoyable version of the game a chance. I hope one day we can get a simulator for this version of Yugioh to make it more streamlined.
Imagine this as an actual series where Cimo teaches a new deck in different formats to Raraan in every episode, it will be so fun and actually teach yu-gi-oh to non-yu-gi-oh players cause this video was so fun to watch
The comments of this video is a great reminder of the yugioh community, for better or worse. I’m glad people enjoyed it and had nice things to say, probs will be my last video of yugioh other than guessing cards. Enjoy the video and check out Cimo!
Even with there being a couple negative comments im sure the majority of viewers who are part of the yu gi oh community are happy to see you give the game we love another chance :D
Maybe when you play card game, read what cards in your deck do instead of saying newbies need couch to play game. No, they just need to stop being ignorant when a card have more than 3 words of text. Or they need person who can read. Or go play Solitaire. You were just hating game for your ignorance.
@@Mloteks71 Reading cards is probably fine, I think everyone knows how to read. But reading cards isn't actually as helpful as you think considering you have to understand the cards in the context of the game which you're trying to learn simultaneously. Sure, a player who's played Yu-Gi-Oh! for a while will understand how cards interact with each other when new sets are released. But if you don't know how the game works yet, you'll read a very simple card and still be confused as to what you actually have to do.
This is actually so much better, I understand what the hell is going on this way. This feels a lot like the early early days of pokemon, or early days hearthstone.
Yes this era of Yugioh is pretty similar to classic Hearthstone's meta in that most games revolve around out-trading your opponent and deck style match-ups; aggro goes for the early win, ramp tries to fulfill conditions to out-value, control wants to grind the game out and combo to stall until they achieve their win condition.
Yeah, for sure. The no mana system and no set rotation is a mess, every 4 main core sets a year have to be more powerful than the last which is why we have the shitshow Rarran discovered. Great video and format!
This was a lot of fun to watch, especially after your first experience and the responses!! I grew up with Yugioh and will always love it despite the flaws that the modern format has. So it's nice to see stuff like this happen, especially with Edison getting official recognition. Also, don't let Cimoooooooo be modest. Edison is so popular now, and has official sanctioned tournaments pratically BECAUSE of him and MBT!
I'm so glad you gave Edison a try, it's just such a shame that master duel doesn't have something like this to ease new players in better than throwing them into the ranked mosh pit.
I dont even think it's about easing people in. Most non-Yugioh hardcore players absolutely hate modern Yugioh. If anything we would want other formats to become popular so people actually stay, since modern Yugioh is considered to be a bad card game by most card game players.
@@Hellopleesh Most card game players haven't even tried it at a reasonable level, it's just knee-jerk. Modern yugioh is pretty similar in gameplay to cedh or certain vintage/legacy decks in MtG. And those are pretty popular formats that a lot of people enjoy, but are often priced out of.
@@waskithonugroho3955 Nah, I mean modern yugioh here. If you actually, seriously try to learn modern yugioh's mechanics and put some work into understanding the format, (so not just going "omg, I don't know what a 'Kashtira' is") if you like legacy/vintage/cedh in MtG there's a decent chance you'll also like modern yugioh. Like. Doing that _does_ take some time. But so does learning how to play legacy/vintage/cedh. And the difference is that yugioh is _actively_ supported, and the entire game is based around this gameplay, rather than it being a side format, so the community is much larger. Now, look. That gameplay isn't for everyone. I don't think Rarran would like it, for instance. But it's just trivially not the case that most other people consider the game to be fundamentally "bad" in a _meaningful_ sense. It's a preference, and one that people often don't even properly try. (Rarran admits that he didn't even do the most important tutorial. Like. Master Duel is super flawed as a new player experience, but some of that was definitely on him.)
@@saturnusdevorans there's quite a lot of old decks that aren't hit at all by any errata. Worm decks, you know the Needle Worm, Warm Worm Shield Worm mill decks.
tbf even errata'd future fusion would have been good to play earlier. The errata version is only terrible in modern, in edison it would still be good with the errata.
@@motokuchomaI think it depends. In both "games" you are mainly looking for the mill effect to set up other plays. The errata still slows you down in Edison where you can't just go send 2 into Miracle Fusion for immediate tempo. The errata would also open you up to more interruption to not even get the mill period as it would be outed by much more s/t removal like storm or even a topdecked icarus attack hitting it in your draw phase.
@motokuchoma I mean sure but like... future fusion into miracle fusion, when it dies miracle fusion again. I get he wasn't thinking of plays like that, but still. Text changes are definitely notable before the game.
To note at 10:10, it's very relevant to know what part of an effect is cost and what part is effect. If you negate a card, you are negating the effect. There is no way to stop someone from paying cost unless you prevent them from ever activating it in the first place. In Icarus Attack's example, the opponent will always tribute a Winged Beast and target two cards, regardless of whether or not you negate. If you negate it, all you're stopping is the destruction of the targeted cards, since that's the only effect of Icarus Attack. The only way to prevent them from tributing a Winged Beast and targeting two cards would be to prevent them from activating Icarus Attack, like by putting an effect in play that prevents the activation of Trap Cards. This is relevant because there's a lot of cards in YGO that have beneficial costs attached to them, like Card Trooper that mills 3 cards for cost or Cherubini which sends from Deck to GY for cost - neither of which can be stopped unless you stop those monsters from ever attempting to activate them in the first place.
Edison is a good mix of slow enough to learn (most of) the mechanics, but fast enough to still have some of the cool flashy plays of the modern day. It's a good lower power format for people to get adjusted that isn't SO archaic that nothing learned within it applies anymore. I'm personally more fond of a slightly faster game than this (I like playing big long stupid combos, but I think the ability to just say no to every card your opponent plays is dumb), but it seems fun. Haven't personally played Edison, it's from a period I wasn't invested in the game, so there's not a ton of decks that I'm particularly enthusiastic about. Glad to see you actually having fun getting Damage Stepped by Cimoooooooo in classic fashion. xP
I quit before Edison format as I stopped having people to play with. But this is the game I remember Playing. I watched a modern game and that whole wipe out in the first turn thing happened. And I had the thought. "How is this a game people are supposed to enjoy."
What I like most about this interaction between you two, is that Cimo is just explaining a card game. We shouldn't look at Yu-Gi-Oh like we do at other digital collectible card games. Most of the interactions in Hearthstone or Runeterra are automated. And we are very spoiled by relying on these. So having someone with the knowledge, patience and excitement teaching you their favorite game is godly. I love variety on Rarran's channel, maybe it's time to bust out the tabletop simulator and get him to play something like Nemesis or even Kindom Death : Monster. Great Multiplayer games and with an experienced friend could be a cool mini-series.
Yep,even random players will have to explain to you what they are doing while you must know your cards can do at any given time,nevermind little skills like shuffling or side boarding, it's just a different game
Before I even watch this video I'm glad that you tried it out I made the suggestion prior with your newer format video. My prediction is that you will think that this is a lot easier and more fun
I really think master duel missed out big on not adding some older format options especially because due to events they tend to do every so often they could easily make various formats and ques for those for yugi boomers or people that are just not able to comprehend modern.
Tbh after n/r format didn't get it's own ladder of even casual rule set that's when I had a feeling yup we're making a 3rd advanced format that means most people now need to know two formats for modern Yu-Gi-Oh
Konami simply doesn't care at all. The banlist is to sell new products. Even in master Duel. There are lots of ideas to balance the game for real, but they are not doing anything on purpose. They choose to ignore videos like this one or any history series or community opinions unfortunately
@@EduardoWeidmanBarijanthe "community" you're talking is less than 1000+ people, they tried to make a 3 vs 3 mode which is a popular mode in ocg and no one playing, now imagine adding a format that only EXISTS in western format, which is already a niche format in tcg. Imagine how dead It will be.
@@r3zaful I'm gonna need a source on those numbers, my understanding from interacting with huge Edison playing groups at locals was that it'd definitely be worth the five dollars of dev time to add in a simpler, more balanced format that tens of thousands of people would start playing MD for
If you will pardon my French. I love how Cimo doesn't try to bullshit, he just answers the question Rarran asks honestly, even if it is clearly to his detriment. Ik it's not much but irs something
Yugioh used to be a ton of fun before it turned into combo and OTK heaven breaking all the rules with graveyards and banned cards. Somewhere along the lines Konami dropped the ball while constantly powercreeping and not throwing out old sets to avoid too many combos.
@@PresidentScrooge I agree but to be honest Yugioh has had its highs and lows even before the broken modern formats, it just so happened to be that Edison was really well balanced. The way Konami monetizes yugioh and pushes chase cards simply doesn't allow for this game to thrive, and modern yugioh is the result of that, where Edison stands as an antidote.
@@PresidentScrooge They dropped the ball by not introducing set rotation almost 15y ago, tbh. The game would still speed up but not nearly as much. There's a lot of people who play current yugioh that like to cope about it but goddamn would it have solved a lot of the issues the game has right now. Rotate out all or almost all of the floodgates and negates and let the game become interactive again.
@@JeshyQT I'm old enough to have played from the first edition. No, it hasn't. Not even the most loop-sided meta of Chaos Emperor Dragon + Yata was the closest to an OTK because of being a lock situation.
Black Whirlwind is still played in current day Blackwing decks. We now have a way to immediately make use of it (Simoon) without drawing it. Blackwings aren't particular common in the current day, but the people who do play them still makes use of Whirlwind.
Cimoo being a good man and willing to ease up on his professionalism plays just to give someone a smile and show them fun. That right there is a certified Pog Champ.
It sucks we had to fly cimoo out but seems like you had a lot of fun, super happy you got to experience the joy of flipping judgement and starlight road
Glad to see that you came back to give YGO another shot and had a bit more fun with it this time. Retro format Yugioh has been growing exponentially over the past few years and it represents a great way for people of all experience levels to interact with the game. Sorry that the negativity in the comments brought down the experience though!
was nice to see you play this honestly! i haven't played yu gi oh at all for the same reasons you didn't like it. Glad to see a different format like this be actually fun
Having fun with the game is much more important than being immediately good at it. Many of us have started by not reading the cards carefully, just for fun and to replicate the anime. Getting good at it comes later and becomes another way of enjoying the game. I hope one day you'll be able to say that this difficult game isn't that bad after all.
More of this! It was so fun, and I'm sure Rawrxd can get super good at Edison if he wants to. Also ngl, the fact that he was willing to give the game another try says a lot about Rarran, since he had a really bad experience, not only with the game itself, but with a toxic part of the Yugioh community as well. Kudos to both of you guys
Rarran! Thanks for giving yugioh another chance, MBT sent in the big guns and Cimo delivered on his damage step reputation. Looking forward to more content like this ❤
Great vid, really enjoyed seeing this. So much joy at watching you enjoy the game I started with. I really do hope you try this again though, limited formats and friends to play with are the best - It would really be great to see you and another content creator play around with some earlier starter decks to get a feel for things in a less constructed level. Either way, I'll be tuning in to see more of your stuff!
Since Rarran has started the crossovers, I’ve been looking forward to this, I would highly suggest you to watch the progression series Cimo puts out every Monday
this format specifically is called "Edison" because its not based on a time window or several years etc its a banlist and cardpool based entirely on one specific snapshot of history at one yugioh event located in edison new jersey back in 2010
Black Whirlwind is actually played in modern Blackwing decks because it provides access to the newer more busted Blackwing monsters which makes up for its slower speed.
The issue is that competitively speaking, Blackwings don't have what it takes to keep up any longer. Even with the new stuff, the game has passed them by.
This was a fantastic introduction to yugioh in general, I like how you genuinely told him correct plays and whether he was using an effect correctly. I do the same thing with my friend that I'm trying to get into the game. I straight up tell him exactly what I'll do in response to his stuff, tell him how to play around it, and in general, try to help him understand his situation so he doesn't misplay himself into a corner, which sadly he does do Funny little story, so he made Purrely in MD at my suggestion, and no matter what deck I used he always found the way to misplay and let me win. One game it was using purrleap when he already had Noir, another he activated the card he targeted off Purrely. No matter how much I tried to help him, the urge to click buttons is the noobs greatest weakness xD
This was how it should have started, modern Yugioh was just too chaotic for anyone without experience to drop into. Cimoooo also introduced you to one of the most loved formats in the whole game, which is nice.
I just want to say thank you Rarran because of your last video on Yu-Gi-Oh i got to try the game out myself and im having lots of fun so much so that i got to platinum in just two weeks of playing keep up the great work ❤👍🏻
Man. Rarran should have won that last game! He so had it in the bag. He just misplayed by not reading Gemini Spark and activating it. He would have killed the Goyo and for sure survived Cimoo’s next turn meaning Future Fusion would have gone off and he’d have won.
This is the Yu-Gi-Oh! i like at most. You can even do this in Master Duel, if you decide with a friend to just build decks on this Level (beside rules like Priority). I enjoyed this so much. Great video! He was an awesome teacher.
Only part way through the video, but this is the yugioh I remember. No solitaire, more siege-style, board control matters, overall much more chill but sometimes needing to use your brain to do cool manoeuvres. Rarran seems more into it so I am glad he gave it a try!
I think that's simply what most players are after when they play a card game. They want a deck with a strong theme or mechanic, they want to play multiple turns. It's fine if some high level decks have infinite combos or some formats let the game ends in turn 1, but the main playstyle of the game should be fairly familiar and reactive. If the main way people play is that they are building crazy combos in solo and games don't last more than a couple of turns, then something needs to change or the game will die. I'm not very hopeful about the future of Yu Gi Oh for that reason.
@@Ezullof Nah, the current format is actually super interactive. It's just that the less popular stuff is still "build a board" negate fests. Which is where the problem is. The game was solitaire negate spam for years, so even though the top decks aren't like that anymore, the lower tier decks still sort of default to that gameplay, as they're the previous best decks.
@@najawin8348 The fault of most of the lower tier decks being that lies in stuff like Savage Dragon, Baronne, and Appo. Without those cards negate spam would be far less (and the game overall would be in a healthier position)
really happy to see that youre willing to still give YGO an extra chance. I know it's been said a 1000 times, but this game truly is so fun and amazing if youve got the paitence and willingness to learn it all.
cool to see new people learning the game. there really is a lot to learn for a new player, especially if they try to play modern. another reason it's good that Konami has started supporting alternate formats. It's a good starting point for new players to learn the game until they're accustomed to the mechanics and card pool, especially for kids and for people who prefer older formats.
Hero beat shines I feel as it's more transferable between the decks of edision in terms of learning. Especially because it uses some of the core systems that didn't really change From pre synchro Yu-Gi-Oh
cimo not explaining what a gemini was actually killed me man. g2 if rarran knew the gemini distinction he could have popped the goyo and drawn and actually woulda been in a very strong decision since shura can't get over honest and he woulda established abzero
While there are a lot of differences between Yugioh and Hearthstone, don't forget that Yugioh have been out for almost 30 years now while Hearthstone is close to 10 years old. Card games tend to become a lot more fastpased with time. Just think about the difference between classic and current Hearthstone. Just nice to see Rarran get a chance to experience the Yugioh a lot of people loved. Also remember to like and subscribe : )
Loved the video it really warms the heart to see someone getting into the game, even after that Rikka nightmare you went through, now, and i'm just saying, that Honest could have brought you one more turn
Cimoooo is an awesome guy. I am glad he stepped up to help you to emjoy the game from another perspective. This video has all the fundamentals and misplays we do expect from a card game in a reasonable pace. I just was massacred in master Duel by 42 thousand utopias that my poor trap deck couldn't handle at all because the built-in effects protection and nonsense stuff like "can only activate traps after damage step" and such. I never had the chance to play with the real cards but I can relate to the horrible digital experience
Hope you had fun! Yu-Gi-Oh! is far from perfect, but thank you for allowing me to show your audience how wonderful the game can be under the right circumstances!
Gave him the progression series kalut special.
@@ignis-hi Yes? Pre-errata Goyo.
Hey, great video :D Just a small thing, but did you make a mistake by summoning Goyo? Your Tuner Blackwing - Blizzard the far north isn't an Earth Tuner, but a Darkness Tuner. Goyo requires a Earth Tuner. Other than that, really funny video :P
@@StarjuuM Pre-errata Goyo didn't require an earth tuner.
@@najawin8348 I'm surprised not many people know about goyo pre errata and it amazing history
and just like MBT prophecised, Yugioh sent out its strongest ambassador in attack mode
and he was ready for the damage step 😂
Proven Ramranch correct
Lol
Seeing Alex explaining the damage step to rarran while fully knowing he is getting hit by kalut is the single greatest thing I've ever seen . This is giving great prog flashbacks
Battle step, no response
Damage step? Kalut
Gage and Joseph: first time?
The moment he started explaining the “Damage Step” I knew EXACTLY what was happening
I mean Tbf we saw him searched it out so it was no surprise at all
nah yeah i completely lost it when he said "this is where were going to get a bit technical" knowing he had kalut
in the end we flew cimo out 😂
Joseph was right
U know what u gotta do if you fly out cimo 😈
He was the right guy for the job
@@Affirmingtreethe joke is that you can’t learn yugioh unless you learn from someone else
@@carbonjoshg4288 No, everyone just has to learn it from Cimo
This right here is how to properly introduce someone to Yugioh. Two friends, having fun, one with the knowledge and experience to help the friend and not get too competitive.
Yeah, definitely one of the problems but also more fun because you get to learn with friends
@@FckYuWantbut the format is much simpler so it's more like a tutorial on how to play on the page
@@wilsonsanabia4259doesn't change the fact tho, meanwhole game like hearthstone and MTG arena can be learned by yourself
well the answer is just like yoursefl the powercrept is way too far making tons of YGO mechanic become obsolete, stuff like set monster facedown, setting up trap, even battle phase no longer matter. Well YGO player love it so there is no solution for newbie to learn except asking help from coach and playin essentially different game at this point
@@waskithonugroho3955 it’s not that it doesn’t matter, but it doesn’t have as much impact. The only good trap strategy that is undeniably good in this format is labrynth
@@waskithonugroho3955 there's an element of online as well as for the TCG and OCG there isn't an equivalent to Magic's Standard since MTG has a ton of obsolete mechanics, banding, land walk, champion, and so on it's just those aren't needed to be known if you want to start the game since there's a way of playing without having to worry about it.
I can't believe not only that he brought Cimo but that we must rely on Cimo to convince people into playing yugioh.
Good idea
As it should be
He’s one of the people unlearned the game from in 2019, Konami missed the mark not giving him a job or letting him be a spokesman. The man has endless reach in the community and has done more than he had to for the game he loves
@@chrismcdonald6079 truly, he is very good at approaching new players and introducing them to the mechanics and intricacies of what is actually required to play the game. Konami should take more advantage of teaming up with their community to make better products/ decisions like Sega does.
@@josemarioperozofuenmayor3475 yeah create a card was one time they gave us themes to vote on online and someone bought a few thousand bots to take it over I think community outreach is D.O.A. For the game because when they try everyone either screws it up or memes it into obscurity
Just bear in mind that not only is cimo probably the single greatest ambassador for the game, but he's also a former Bakugan world champion
Wait really?
@@LakkariEnjoyer yup. They even made a unit with his name aka Cimoga 😂
That's crazy
@@sammydray5919Had to look it up. First Bakugan Invitational (2018)
Can't believe Cimo damage step'd Rarran lol
just be glad he didnt oppression the fun out
@@azurefoxbh9280 Yeah when he drew Royal O I immediately thought "probably should've just taken that one out Cimo"
@@bellbro62 i thought he was being an asshole telling him about miracle so he could oppression it lol
Only with Kalut though! 😂 Have to shout out the Progression Series as much as possible!
Cimo honestly was probably the best teacher to get. He's just such a fun guy and glad it looked like you had fun with the experience this time around.
For everyone wondering why goyo says “earth tuner” and Cimo summoned it with a dark tuner, that card got updated text changing its summoning condition. During this format Goyo guardian can be made with any tuner
Should have been a warrior tuner to SS it out
Yes, it originally worked with any tuner, but big shocker they realized "wow, this card is OP" and later slapped that restriction on it
@@marvelsandals4228 except, funnily enough that's not true.
In yugioh, there are 2 sectors. The TCG & the OCG, OCG for Asia and TCG for everyone else.
Well, in the TCG, goyo had been unbanned to 3 and was doing absolutely nothing. But he was banned in the OCG.
Then a pseudo archetype/tribe was made for Goyo Guardian and Konami of Japan decided, for some reason, to errata Goyo Guardian to needing an Earth Tuner.
In fact, Goyo Guardian is the only card that was at 3 at the time of it's errata.
@@StormCrownSrThat last part isn't actually true. Makyura The Destructor was unbanned and legal for a while before it was updated to the new text. A lot of people had fun experimenting with it online when they could.
I can't confirm whether there were more but that one at least was at 3.
@@lucaslennan3356makyura is a special case. it was unbanned because it was getting an errata, but at the time the new banlist was going live, makyura's card text had not yet been updated in the database so it was only legal with its old text for like a week.
GOAT'd ass video. Im so happy this ended up being such an improvement over the last one!
By the way, If you ever return to Master Duel (i understand if you dont), i suggest doing it when there is a tryout duel event or normal event. Those events happen for like a week every month and they are temporary low power formats with weaker decks allowed and the game even gives you 3 different Free decks to play on those event formats without a collection. Think Tavern Brawls but they happen only once a month or so.
You would have a similar experience to this but in the actual official automated client and without alot of the broken cards that plague the game in ranked. I pretty much only play Master Duel when these events are on and the games generally do have alot more back and forth like Edison.
Just an idea for a future video!
This is truly a wonderful format. I love how Rarran could instantly recognize the power of cards like Starlight Road, Mirror Force, Black Whirlwind, and Absolute Zero.
It was a simpler time back then.
The best probably is the format before they introduce pendulum and decks that float endlessly like dragon rulers, shaddolls, burning abyss, etc.
@@ehrenromblon5392probably Tengu then? I think after tengu format is just six sams, wind up, Dino rabbit stuff before you hit dragon rulers.
@@SnackMuay yeah, rescue rabbit at 2, wind up hunter banned and inzektor horner/dragonfly
@@ehrenromblon5392isn't dino rabbit known for being the closest the game has ever been to dying due to the huge amount of people quitting and low amount of new players? That's certainly a weird choice for best yugioh format.
Rarran baiting Cimo into Starlight Road was great play and really showed his fundamentals. If he knew the card synergies with Alius and Gemini Spark, he was in a winning position that game.
Yeah the whole time I'm just begging for him to ask what gemini spark means
I agree. It's the pressure that gets to you when you don't know the cards yet, especially when you need to be mindful of recording content. It would've been cool if he did manage to win with Gemini Spark for sure.
It's a shame Cimo didn't take the initiative and explain what a Gemini monster was when Rarran summoned Alius.
Him not using Future Fusion was killing me. One of the most busted cards in the game but he just doesn't put 2 and 2 together with it or Gemini Spark.
To be fair.. Cimo should've probably switched the decks around. The Blackwing deck is much more intuitive and easy to understand on what it tries to do. The Alius deck requires him to immediately understand what a gemini is, and that Future Fusion is mostly meant as a way to send cards to the GY.
I'm so glad you got to try Yugioh this way. Edison format alone is a great game that you can spend years mastering but have fun with on your first try. It's a shame there's nothing like it in official spaces to make the new player experience tolerable.
Wait then how does one get into Yu-Gi-Oh? :o
@absence9443 You either find a friend who plays to teach you, or you need to watch tutorials online, of which there are many.
23:12 Cimo slowly explaining how he is going to ruin Rarran's day
Cimo is rhe most welcoming person besides maybe dezeef to teach you how play old formats
Eh I think Joey Giorlando is the best personally.
@@scythermantisJoe is the best. He was chronicling past formats before there was much enthusiasm for them.
What I'm learning from this is that:
Every copy of MD needs to come with a Cimoooooooooo.
And
It should have older formats playable.
I think the biggest difficulty with having older formats playable is a lot of the better received older formats have cards where the effect is changed so it would be a bit more effort to have the card function with the functionality that makes it a staple at the time. Future Fusion being the biggest factor in this game as well as Goyo Guardian not needing an earth tuner.
@@U1TR4F0RCE For a proper game dev team that shouldn't be a problem. Just change how those word in "the realm of the time wizard".
Or
Just made special variants of those older cards then with the older function that are only legal in Time Wizard..
That way KoMoney can double dip by having players buy the same card two times.
@@U1TR4F0RCE That and you can't sell new cards in a retro format.
@@hurrdurrmurrgurr for master duel a lot of the good cards in some of the retro formats are ones that people wouldn't necessarily have. Outside of that though while you can't sell new cards in a retro format Konami has actually done reprints where part of why one would buy the set is because it allows access to a card that has limited availability in the retro format.
Konami doesn't care about the reseller market luckily unlike magic so for example Blackwing - Vayu which was at least $10 for most of last year was reprinted in Battles of Legend Crystal Revenge and is now pennies.
What Master Duel needs is not necessarily old formats (but people are clamoring for Time Wizard format to be an optional mode, which would be fun) but just other formats in general.
I had a lot of gripes about Rarran's Master Duel video stemming from shit like him refusing to finish the tutorial and then complaining the tutorial didn't teach him anything, but one thing he hit on without saying in so many words is that Ranked is the ONLY way to play master Duel mostly. Yeah during Events there's a few twists to the rules, and Casual technically exists, but they're redheaded stepchildren.
Ranked is where you get your dailies done, ranked is where most of the players are, because Yugioh requires resources to play casually, and resources can only be gained in Ranked.
If there were fun events always ongoing (instead of for around a week every month) and different formats you could actually complete your dailies in, Master Duel would be a lot better. And I say that as someone who got into Yugioh WITH Master Duel and is perfectly fine with just playing Ranked all the time anyway.
50:00
It shows you how healthy this game is by the fact that Rarran could have won this if he knew his spell combines whit his Neos Alias who is a Normal Monster when summoned and could have destroyed Goyo Guardian and won the game.
It also shows you how Rarran is not trying to understand the game at all, neither when he played Master Duel nor here, since he doesn't bother reading his cards.
@@gilmu5490 To be fair, he probably didn't know that you could set Gemini Spark and play it on your opponent's turn
@@gilmu5490 It wasn't as clear to me with his Masterduel video that he wasn't trying to learn the game. But this video made it so clear with how he just wasn't reading any of his cards.
@gilmu5490 felt this way too. Yugioh is absolutely too hard to get into and needs to rectify the issue. However, Rarran talked a lot of shit about the game for someone who STILL doesn't know how direct attacks work
@@gilmu5490I find this very common with digital only players. They speed read and hope they can intuit the rest by playing.
CImoooooo playing Blackwings is SO funny.
DAMAGE STEP?
I busted a gasket when I noticed what he was playing. XD
why don't we play
Que "In the Hall of the Mountain King" starting to play lol...
Do he plays the ftk version with that plane tho?
We need this as a series. It'll be fun to watch Cimo teach Rarran to the point where he's able to play modern Yu-Gi-Oh
A progression series where rarran is progressing by learning and cimo’s normal progression style
Take him through dragon rulers or HAT next , then duelist alliance then TOSS and he's basically playing modern by then I would have started With reaper format b4 Edison tho
Progression Series: The Rising of Rarran
@@getsuga10shou47Progression Series: Hidden Valley Rarranch Rising
Or he could just enjoy the old formats of yugioh. There is actually a pretty strong playerbase for Edison and goat
I'm so glad that Rarranch gave Edison format a chance! Really surprised after all of the flak Rarrandy got on the previous YGO vid, but it's super cool to see Ranthony Rantano and Cimooooooooooo interact.
Cimo? The legend himself, wow, I didn't expect this!
Your pfp looks EXACTLY like the Dire avatar
@@VictorTwo2 I was thinking the same!
As a modern and edison player, I'm glad you gave it a chance again, and found an enjoyable outlet to play Yu-Gi-Oh! Thank you for giving it an honest and unfiltered chance.
As a teacher, running a Yu-Gi-Oh! Club in my school twice a week has been one of my most enjoyable experiences I’ve had.
Kids who start from zero end the year with a clear understanding of the game through my constant guidance and frequent practice.
Unfortunately, the majority of new players don’t get that experience :/
Fun to see Cimo coach Rarran! You can see his genuine excitement as he went through the duels.
That's the coolest thing I've ever heard,keep up the good work!
You were allowed to run a yugioh club at your school? God, I just remember being in elementary school back during the game's early years and getting in trouble if your teachers even SAW yugioh cards out in the open anywhere on school grounds lmfao
Sick crossover episode. Nothing more iconic than Cimo damage stepping with black wings
This made my day. I'm glad you had a great time playing in this format. :)
I remember during one of my great breaks, that format was around where I got back into things, and it was a lot of fun.
A series where Rarran seeks to beat content creators at their own games would slap. You would be the REAL challenger rank in every game you play
I second this
Wait, this idea kinda slaps
That actually sounds sick. Go forth and become the true king of games! With Yugioh's overcomplicated behind as the final boss.
Cimo does more for teaching new players than Konami does, he brought a whole new player base with Progression series and he makes History of YGO and Jank. Konami is crazy to not want to work with Cimo
All because he's onto Konami's awful business practices.
I think the issue that has lead to Cimoooo being on Konami's no sponsor stuff list is that when he was more active with the TCG he was extremely vocal for always buy singles which isn't what a TCG company would want. So he's kind of like the Professor except unlike the Professor whose the largest Magic UA-camr Cimoooo's not the largest Yugituber. He can still be featured or interviewed when he plays in tournaments but they can't really approve of him.
@@U1TR4F0RCE To be fair there is worth in buying packs in Magic even at their worst, while Yu-Gi-Oh is honestly quite a nightmare to invest in building decks in.
@@U1TR4F0RCEIf every half-playble card wasn't bumped to max rarity instead of being rare/super+ultra/secret in the ocg , people would be willing to buy product.
@@Shemegory to be fair we know that's simply not true, Pankertops being the most famous example though Scrap Raptor being another where people were even surprised it wasn't rarity bumped at all.
Edison is such a fun introductory format, hope you enjoy it
He will learn the hard way once he met dark world(makai) spamming grapha with triple skill drain and other floodgate in triplets forms.
Why has the game changed for worse ? It's a genuine question , because from what I understood modern version of the game is like master duel which is not really interactive as we've seen
@@Sampras8491there’s no rotation, so the only way to sell product is by making new cards more powerful than existing ones. If that continues for 13 years after Edison, you get modern yugioh.
@@CrowsNestRetroYGOhonestly 2016 nekroz full power with djinn+modern board breaker would absolutely win events nowadays no question about it.
The powercreep is only for handtraps.
@@Sampras8491also ignore the comments above 13 years ago is 2010-2011 the winning world champion deck in 2010 is an frog ftk water synchro turbo yugioh at competitive level is just never slow or force your opponent to slow down there no in between. Yugioh especially in ocg Asian format are known for swift winning position turn 3, from bloo-d otk to ftks, there are slower format once in a blue moon but for majority of its lifespan yugioh the winner has always solved turn 3-4. I learn it the hard way in online simulator back then.
I don’t understand how anyone could have anything other than positivity to comment about this video.
When I taught my friends to play Edison format this exactly how it went, and now one of them is winning Edison tournaments! It’s the perfect introduction to the game.
Ahh, I did old school yugioh with my friends BEFORE doing modern yugioh and it was a great intro. Glad to see Rarran doing this
Thank you Rarran for giving a more enjoyable version of the game a chance. I hope one day we can get a simulator for this version of Yugioh to make it more streamlined.
Imagine this as an actual series where Cimo teaches a new deck in different formats to Raraan in every episode, it will be so fun and actually teach yu-gi-oh to non-yu-gi-oh players cause this video was so fun to watch
The comments of this video is a great reminder of the yugioh community, for better or worse.
I’m glad people enjoyed it and had nice things to say, probs will be my last video of yugioh other than guessing cards. Enjoy the video and check out Cimo!
Even with there being a couple negative comments im sure the majority of viewers who are part of the yu gi oh community are happy to see you give the game we love another chance :D
You'll be missed in the scene man, HS players will never not get roasted while playing ygo thanks to your efforts
Fantastic video! I don't know much about Yu-Gi-Oh! and all and barely cared, I had fun regardless.
Maybe when you play card game, read what cards in your deck do instead of saying newbies need couch to play game. No, they just need to stop being ignorant when a card have more than 3 words of text. Or they need person who can read. Or go play Solitaire. You were just hating game for your ignorance.
@@Mloteks71 Reading cards is probably fine, I think everyone knows how to read. But reading cards isn't actually as helpful as you think considering you have to understand the cards in the context of the game which you're trying to learn simultaneously. Sure, a player who's played Yu-Gi-Oh! for a while will understand how cards interact with each other when new sets are released. But if you don't know how the game works yet, you'll read a very simple card and still be confused as to what you actually have to do.
this is the yugioh basically most everyone fell in love with back then, man i want it back.
I feel that. Modern ygo you cant understand whats happening. In GOAT or Edison you can
This is actually so much better, I understand what the hell is going on this way. This feels a lot like the early early days of pokemon, or early days hearthstone.
Yes this era of Yugioh is pretty similar to classic Hearthstone's meta in that most games revolve around out-trading your opponent and deck style match-ups; aggro goes for the early win, ramp tries to fulfill conditions to out-value, control wants to grind the game out and combo to stall until they achieve their win condition.
Yeah, for sure. The no mana system and no set rotation is a mess, every 4 main core sets a year have to be more powerful than the last which is why we have the shitshow Rarran discovered. Great video and format!
I would recommend Edison anyone. It's the most fun you can have playing Yugioh.
As someone who is subbed to Rarran and Cimo for a long time, this collab is something I diddn‘t have on my 2023 bingo card. I love it
This was a lot of fun to watch, especially after your first experience and the responses!! I grew up with Yugioh and will always love it despite the flaws that the modern format has. So it's nice to see stuff like this happen, especially with Edison getting official recognition.
Also, don't let Cimoooooooo be modest. Edison is so popular now, and has official sanctioned tournaments pratically BECAUSE of him and MBT!
I'm so glad you gave Edison a try, it's just such a shame that master duel doesn't have something like this to ease new players in better than throwing them into the ranked mosh pit.
I would love an Eternal/TOSS format.
I dont even think it's about easing people in. Most non-Yugioh hardcore players absolutely hate modern Yugioh. If anything we would want other formats to become popular so people actually stay, since modern Yugioh is considered to be a bad card game by most card game players.
@@Hellopleesh Most card game players haven't even tried it at a reasonable level, it's just knee-jerk. Modern yugioh is pretty similar in gameplay to cedh or certain vintage/legacy decks in MtG. And those are pretty popular formats that a lot of people enjoy, but are often priced out of.
@@najawin8348 tried reasonable level? like trying edison format?
@@waskithonugroho3955 Nah, I mean modern yugioh here. If you actually, seriously try to learn modern yugioh's mechanics and put some work into understanding the format, (so not just going "omg, I don't know what a 'Kashtira' is") if you like legacy/vintage/cedh in MtG there's a decent chance you'll also like modern yugioh. Like. Doing that _does_ take some time. But so does learning how to play legacy/vintage/cedh. And the difference is that yugioh is _actively_ supported, and the entire game is based around this gameplay, rather than it being a side format, so the community is much larger.
Now, look. That gameplay isn't for everyone. I don't think Rarran would like it, for instance. But it's just trivially not the case that most other people consider the game to be fundamentally "bad" in a _meaningful_ sense. It's a preference, and one that people often don't even properly try. (Rarran admits that he didn't even do the most important tutorial. Like. Master Duel is super flawed as a new player experience, but some of that was definitely on him.)
...That one moment when Cimoooo doesn't mention the errata and proceeds to get confused when you chose to not activate Future Fusion.
Yeah I'm trying to think of a deck that wouldn't get hammered by errata and it honestly might be Blackwings
@@saturnusdevorans there's quite a lot of old decks that aren't hit at all by any errata. Worm decks, you know the Needle Worm, Warm Worm Shield Worm mill decks.
tbf even errata'd future fusion would have been good to play earlier. The errata version is only terrible in modern, in edison it would still be good with the errata.
@@motokuchomaI think it depends. In both "games" you are mainly looking for the mill effect to set up other plays. The errata still slows you down in Edison where you can't just go send 2 into Miracle Fusion for immediate tempo.
The errata would also open you up to more interruption to not even get the mill period as it would be outed by much more s/t removal like storm or even a topdecked icarus attack hitting it in your draw phase.
@motokuchoma I mean sure but like... future fusion into miracle fusion, when it dies miracle fusion again. I get he wasn't thinking of plays like that, but still. Text changes are definitely notable before the game.
To note at 10:10, it's very relevant to know what part of an effect is cost and what part is effect. If you negate a card, you are negating the effect. There is no way to stop someone from paying cost unless you prevent them from ever activating it in the first place. In Icarus Attack's example, the opponent will always tribute a Winged Beast and target two cards, regardless of whether or not you negate. If you negate it, all you're stopping is the destruction of the targeted cards, since that's the only effect of Icarus Attack. The only way to prevent them from tributing a Winged Beast and targeting two cards would be to prevent them from activating Icarus Attack, like by putting an effect in play that prevents the activation of Trap Cards. This is relevant because there's a lot of cards in YGO that have beneficial costs attached to them, like Card Trooper that mills 3 cards for cost or Cherubini which sends from Deck to GY for cost - neither of which can be stopped unless you stop those monsters from ever attempting to activate them in the first place.
Great explanation
@@leandrometfany
Couldn't have said it better myself
Cimo and Raran is the colab I never knew I needed
Edison is a good mix of slow enough to learn (most of) the mechanics, but fast enough to still have some of the cool flashy plays of the modern day. It's a good lower power format for people to get adjusted that isn't SO archaic that nothing learned within it applies anymore. I'm personally more fond of a slightly faster game than this (I like playing big long stupid combos, but I think the ability to just say no to every card your opponent plays is dumb), but it seems fun. Haven't personally played Edison, it's from a period I wasn't invested in the game, so there's not a ton of decks that I'm particularly enthusiastic about. Glad to see you actually having fun getting Damage Stepped by Cimoooooooo in classic fashion. xP
I quit before Edison format as I stopped having people to play with. But this is the game I remember Playing. I watched a modern game and that whole wipe out in the first turn thing happened. And I had the thought. "How is this a game people are supposed to enjoy."
What I like most about this interaction between you two, is that Cimo is just explaining a card game.
We shouldn't look at Yu-Gi-Oh like we do at other digital collectible card games. Most of the interactions in Hearthstone or Runeterra are automated. And we are very spoiled by relying on these.
So having someone with the knowledge, patience and excitement teaching you their favorite game is godly.
I love variety on Rarran's channel, maybe it's time to bust out the tabletop simulator and get him to play something like Nemesis or even Kindom Death : Monster.
Great Multiplayer games and with an experienced friend could be a cool mini-series.
Yep,even random players will have to explain to you what they are doing while you must know your cards can do at any given time,nevermind little skills like shuffling or side boarding, it's just a different game
2:30 holy shit cimoo blackwings jumpscare that was soo funny
Before I even watch this video I'm glad that you tried it out I made the suggestion prior with your newer format video. My prediction is that you will think that this is a lot easier and more fun
If you want to learn more old-school yugioh, please continue, ignore the stupid haters and don't let them ruin your experience
I really think master duel missed out big on not adding some older format options especially because due to events they tend to do every so often they could easily make various formats and ques for those for yugi boomers or people that are just not able to comprehend modern.
Tbh after n/r format didn't get it's own ladder of even casual rule set that's when I had a feeling yup we're making a 3rd advanced format that means most people now need to know two formats for modern Yu-Gi-Oh
Konami simply doesn't care at all. The banlist is to sell new products. Even in master Duel. There are lots of ideas to balance the game for real, but they are not doing anything on purpose. They choose to ignore videos like this one or any history series or community opinions unfortunately
@@EduardoWeidmanBarijanthe "community" you're talking is less than 1000+ people, they tried to make a 3 vs 3 mode which is a popular mode in ocg and no one playing, now imagine adding a format that only EXISTS in western format, which is already a niche format in tcg.
Imagine how dead It will be.
@@r3zaful I'm gonna need a source on those numbers, my understanding from interacting with huge Edison playing groups at locals was that it'd definitely be worth the five dollars of dev time to add in a simpler, more balanced format that tens of thousands of people would start playing MD for
If you will pardon my French.
I love how Cimo doesn't try to bullshit, he just answers the question Rarran asks honestly, even if it is clearly to his detriment. Ik it's not much but irs something
This was a really fun video! Edison is a surprisingly fun format, it seemed like you were having a pretty good time
Yugioh used to be a ton of fun before it turned into combo and OTK heaven breaking all the rules with graveyards and banned cards. Somewhere along the lines Konami dropped the ball while constantly powercreeping and not throwing out old sets to avoid too many combos.
@@PresidentScrooge I agree but to be honest Yugioh has had its highs and lows even before the broken modern formats, it just so happened to be that Edison was really well balanced. The way Konami monetizes yugioh and pushes chase cards simply doesn't allow for this game to thrive, and modern yugioh is the result of that, where Edison stands as an antidote.
@@PresidentScrooge They dropped the ball by not introducing set rotation almost 15y ago, tbh. The game would still speed up but not nearly as much. There's a lot of people who play current yugioh that like to cope about it but goddamn would it have solved a lot of the issues the game has right now. Rotate out all or almost all of the floodgates and negates and let the game become interactive again.
@@PresidentScrooge brother Otk/Ftk heaven has been present from the start
Thats why we have a ban list too begin with
@@JeshyQT
I'm old enough to have played from the first edition. No, it hasn't. Not even the most loop-sided meta of Chaos Emperor Dragon + Yata was the closest to an OTK because of being a lock situation.
Black Whirlwind is still played in current day Blackwing decks. We now have a way to immediately make use of it (Simoon) without drawing it.
Blackwings aren't particular common in the current day, but the people who do play them still makes use of Whirlwind.
Cimoo being a good man and willing to ease up on his professionalism plays just to give someone a smile and show them fun. That right there is a certified Pog Champ.
Rarran having miracle fusion and future fusion was hilarious.
Of course he would roll up with Blackwings LMAO
It sucks we had to fly cimoo out but seems like you had a lot of fun, super happy you got to experience the joy of flipping judgement and starlight road
Glad to see that you came back to give YGO another shot and had a bit more fun with it this time.
Retro format Yugioh has been growing exponentially over the past few years and it represents a great way for people of all experience levels to interact with the game.
Sorry that the negativity in the comments brought down the experience though!
Seeing Rarran and CImo just having some fun with it is a lot of fun! This format is a fan favourite for a reason.
Sitting on Gemini Spark the entire series hurt, but this format was when Yu-Gi-Oh was actually fun to play.
was nice to see you play this honestly! i haven't played yu gi oh at all for the same reasons you didn't like it. Glad to see a different format like this be actually fun
Having fun with the game is much more important than being immediately good at it. Many of us have started by not reading the cards carefully, just for fun and to replicate the anime. Getting good at it comes later and becomes another way of enjoying the game. I hope one day you'll be able to say that this difficult game isn't that bad after all.
More of this! It was so fun, and I'm sure Rawrxd can get super good at Edison if he wants to.
Also ngl, the fact that he was willing to give the game another try says a lot about Rarran, since he had a really bad experience, not only with the game itself, but with a toxic part of the Yugioh community as well. Kudos to both of you guys
Rarran! Thanks for giving yugioh another chance, MBT sent in the big guns and Cimo delivered on his damage step reputation. Looking forward to more content like this ❤
Great vid, really enjoyed seeing this. So much joy at watching you enjoy the game I started with. I really do hope you try this again though, limited formats and friends to play with are the best - It would really be great to see you and another content creator play around with some earlier starter decks to get a feel for things in a less constructed level. Either way, I'll be tuning in to see more of your stuff!
LOL we really had to fly CIMOOOO out to hope this man had fun
I had no idea Edison format even existed. The synchro era was awesome and I’m def giving this a shot
Since Rarran has started the crossovers, I’ve been looking forward to this, I would highly suggest you to watch the progression series Cimo puts out every Monday
yo I didn't know this format had a name but this is what I grew up with. early synchro era, totally remember the snow man eaters at my local shop
this format specifically is called "Edison" because its not based on a time window or several years etc its a banlist and cardpool based entirely on one specific snapshot of history at one yugioh event located in edison new jersey back in 2010
Cimo getting genuinely caught off guard by the starlight road was by far my favorite moment.
Rarran sandbagging future fusion for almost the entire game on BOTH games has made me unreasonably angry
Black Whirlwind is actually played in modern Blackwing decks because it provides access to the newer more busted Blackwing monsters which makes up for its slower speed.
Plus no once per turn do it can keep stacking and stacking and stacking
@@djeldj Yes, exactly, I forgot to mention that. Even multiple copies at the same time work iirc.
Yeah, as a Blackwing player, Black Whirlwind is one of the best cards in the deck.
Yep, also a modern Blackwing player. You absolutely have to play three in the deck ^^
The issue is that competitively speaking, Blackwings don't have what it takes to keep up any longer. Even with the new stuff, the game has passed them by.
This was a fantastic introduction to yugioh in general, I like how you genuinely told him correct plays and whether he was using an effect correctly. I do the same thing with my friend that I'm trying to get into the game. I straight up tell him exactly what I'll do in response to his stuff, tell him how to play around it, and in general, try to help him understand his situation so he doesn't misplay himself into a corner, which sadly he does do
Funny little story, so he made Purrely in MD at my suggestion, and no matter what deck I used he always found the way to misplay and let me win. One game it was using purrleap when he already had Noir, another he activated the card he targeted off Purrely. No matter how much I tried to help him, the urge to click buttons is the noobs greatest weakness xD
This was how it should have started, modern Yugioh was just too chaotic for anyone without experience to drop into. Cimoooo also introduced you to one of the most loved formats in the whole game, which is nice.
I just want to say thank you Rarran because of your last video on Yu-Gi-Oh i got to try the game out myself and im having lots of fun so much so that i got to platinum in just two weeks of playing keep up the great work ❤👍🏻
Master Duel needs older formats like Edison, GOAT or Hat to make new and returning players getting more engaged towards the game
Konami doesn't want people to play the old game though. Old stuff doesn't make them money. Buy the new shiny stronger cards.
@@birdmanoo0 They recently re-released old early-2000s era boosters packs, so this argument isn't even valid anymore. :\
Damn, I came back to ygo right during HAT, it was so fun
Man. Rarran should have won that last game! He so had it in the bag. He just misplayed by not reading Gemini Spark and activating it. He would have killed the Goyo and for sure survived Cimoo’s next turn meaning Future Fusion would have gone off and he’d have won.
This is the Yu-Gi-Oh! i like at most. You can even do this in Master Duel, if you decide with a friend to just build decks on this Level (beside rules like Priority).
I enjoyed this so much. Great video! He was an awesome teacher.
Only part way through the video, but this is the yugioh I remember. No solitaire, more siege-style, board control matters, overall much more chill but sometimes needing to use your brain to do cool manoeuvres. Rarran seems more into it so I am glad he gave it a try!
I think that's simply what most players are after when they play a card game. They want a deck with a strong theme or mechanic, they want to play multiple turns.
It's fine if some high level decks have infinite combos or some formats let the game ends in turn 1, but the main playstyle of the game should be fairly familiar and reactive.
If the main way people play is that they are building crazy combos in solo and games don't last more than a couple of turns, then something needs to change or the game will die. I'm not very hopeful about the future of Yu Gi Oh for that reason.
board control does matter in yugioh, go play traptrix, best board control deck right now.
@@Ezullof Nah, the current format is actually super interactive. It's just that the less popular stuff is still "build a board" negate fests. Which is where the problem is. The game was solitaire negate spam for years, so even though the top decks aren't like that anymore, the lower tier decks still sort of default to that gameplay, as they're the previous best decks.
@@najawin8348 The fault of most of the lower tier decks being that lies in stuff like Savage Dragon, Baronne, and Appo. Without those cards negate spam would be far less (and the game overall would be in a healthier position)
@@pokefreakplays IMO Baronne is a perfectly healthy card. Appo and Savage Dragon are where things start getting a bit much.
40:40 "ok well you played right into my hand" he says
Literally the same happened in third Edison episode in History. But now Alex is the one who was Starlight roaded
So happy to see you give ygo another chance, also happy that you had fun too! hopefully the ygo community doesn't ruin everything...
Cimo with the redemption arc. Glad he got to show Edison Format to Rarran. And Rarran did well coming in relatively blind.
really happy to see that youre willing to still give YGO an extra chance. I know it's been said a 1000 times, but this game truly is so fun and amazing if youve got the paitence and willingness to learn it all.
cool to see new people learning the game. there really is a lot to learn for a new player, especially if they try to play modern. another reason it's good that Konami has started supporting alternate formats. It's a good starting point for new players to learn the game until they're accustomed to the mechanics and card pool, especially for kids and for people who prefer older formats.
Glad to see you got to have a good yugioh experience!
Its soo good seeing you kinda enjoying the game :D
idk if HERO Beat was the best starter deck for Edison but holy shit Cimo is such a good teacher tbh
Hero beat shines I feel as it's more transferable between the decks of edision in terms of learning. Especially because it uses some of the core systems that didn't really change From pre synchro Yu-Gi-Oh
Bro got damage stepped. Cimos protagonist power is real
its nice seeing you actually enjoy ygo. Hopefully you will do more videos or atleast test different edison decks
I did not anticipate just how wholesome this video would be. This was awesome.
Cimo was like: Don't read those pescy words on grand mole... You take the damage and I win. 👍🏻
I'm so glad Cimooo introduced Edison format to Rarran. Rarran's having fun and I'm having fun watching them as well playing and Cimooo teaching him.
cimo not explaining what a gemini was actually killed me man. g2 if rarran knew the gemini distinction he could have popped the goyo and drawn and actually woulda been in a very strong decision since shura can't get over honest and he woulda established abzero
Man this video just makes me wish Edison was in Masterduel. It's like I've been playing the wrong game all along lol.
Great video! Hope you enjoyed playing Edison format, it’s definitely a lot more enjoyable for newer players and easier to understand.
Great video, the back and forth of the duel is really exciting!
While there are a lot of differences between Yugioh and Hearthstone, don't forget that Yugioh have been out for almost 30 years now while Hearthstone is close to 10 years old. Card games tend to become a lot more fastpased with time. Just think about the difference between classic and current Hearthstone. Just nice to see Rarran get a chance to experience the Yugioh a lot of people loved. Also remember to like and subscribe : )
Eh? I thought ygo is from 2004.
@@egoalter1276the yugioh manga came out in 1996. its getting close to 30 years old
Loved the video it really warms the heart to see someone getting into the game, even after that Rikka nightmare you went through, now, and i'm just saying, that Honest could have brought you one more turn
Team cimooo here, alex is one of the best persons to learn about yugioh tcg, he explains so calmly.
Cimoooo is an awesome guy. I am glad he stepped up to help you to emjoy the game from another perspective. This video has all the fundamentals and misplays we do expect from a card game in a reasonable pace. I just was massacred in master Duel by 42 thousand utopias that my poor trap deck couldn't handle at all because the built-in effects protection and nonsense stuff like "can only activate traps after damage step" and such. I never had the chance to play with the real cards but I can relate to the horrible digital experience
I would totally play this version of the game. This looks really fun
You should give Yugioh 5DS Championship games a try, those games made me learn almost everything about this kind of format
@@maestradebobobo767Ah the good ol DS era. Love them games 😊
Edison format