I have seen this film 5 times and this final scene is always very painful.....a masterclass in acting. Charlotte Rampling is absolutely believable as the wife who realizes that her husband has been emotionally married to a dead woman for 45 years. There is a strange irony here, because it seems that the husband, Geoff, played by the brilliant Tom Courtenay, has finally laid the ghost of 'Katya' to rest......he has had an epiphany in the same way that Kate has. Geoff has realized that his GREATEST love is in fact the woman he has been wed to for 45 years......that's why he cried when he gave his emotional speech.......it has quite literally taken him nearly half a century to understand that he has been married to a diamond for 45 years and that he has treated this rare gem like she is a worthless piece of junk. Alas, Geoff's epiphany and his heartfelt tears have come a lifetime too late.......the way Kate wrenches her arm away is symbolic.....she is wrenching herself away from Geoff......he has stabbed her in the heart and the marriage is over. And who can blame her?
You know I agree with everything you said but I don't in fact believe that he treated her like a "worthless piece of junk". I think the splendor of the movie is that they did have a good life and he treated her well, but the part of Kate the Geoff has had all these years, (her soul her trust, her vulnerability ) Geoff did not truly give to her until the couple of days before the anniversary (or maybe not even fully then). I think that's why it hurts the most. He wasn't this cold husband, he was charming and her personal perfection, so when she comes to realize that the way she has always intuitively seen in him, isn't how he's felt all these years ,and that she may be an over glorified rebound it's devastating and a sort of betrayal. Katya was hidden in a secret place in Geoff's heart where Kate shouldv'e been.
I watched it once and I didn't realize that he grew to love her in the end. I'll watch again if I have the time. But I think it's never too late for him to love her, the problem is she probably can't tell anymore whether he's loving her for her. She's now stuck in a kind of eternal hell. Like if it were me, I'd never stop doubting the sincerity of his every single affectionate gesture from this point on.
I think she probably left him but returned to him. He has pulled himself together, and she is sensible enough to know there is no point being jealous of a dead woman. When it comes down to it, they have spent their lives together. Katya’s ghost has been laid to rest.
I am little late to join this conversation but I repeat this film time and again so I am glad to discussed it any chance I get. My take on the anniversary speech is that he didn’t have a complete understanding yet what Kate went through. Whether drunk or not, he never realized the changes of emotion Kate was having throughout the dance, his partner for 45+ years. Its not like she expects him to not love anyone before her, but not to know the depth of love and how there is a mausoleum of Katya in his heart, not knowing that for one year would be heart breaking, for 45 years would be devastating. And accepting all the shortcomings in their marriage, especially childlessness, giving up music, abandoning those major decisions without knowing the cause is so so late for her. She won’t leave him, despite everything she loves him and he is sick. But even leaving him wont bring her any piece, she has been bound to him for 45 years, she wont be able to let go. When a person questions everything from their wedding song to husband love on 45th anniversary there is no happy ending for them in this life. This film truly breaks my heart 😥
Exactly. He didn’t notice because to me it seemed as though he really didn’t care. I don’t care what anyone says I don’t think he loves his wife. I think he ‘tolerates’ her. Simply heart wrenching. I wish she would’ve noticed that his heart was preoccupied 45 years ago.😒
The absolute brilliance comes in Rampling's silence. The most beautiful acting from one of the most beautiful individuals ever. This film is a masterpiece.
The choice of song here is perfect. The lyrics "All who love are blind" and "When your heart's on fire, you must realize, smoke gets in your eyes" seem to allude to Kate's love toward her husband. For 45 years the "smoke" caused by Kate's love for Geoff blinded her to the truth of her relationship, that she would always be second to a dead woman in her husband's eyes. Truly painful.
It’s actually the opposite. The song is about falling in love and how fixated they become with their person and then losing the love of your life. This whole ending is heart wrenching cause even the wedding song is a subconscious memorial to the life he wouldn’t have with Katya.
@@Dinobottenbley I think I agree with the Mad Chemist instead: "They asked me how I knew my true love was true" - in the end she faces the that that her love story was a lie!
@@SaymonNascimento that might’ve been the case if Geoff didn’t choose the wedding song. The fact he did goes to show that the song parallels his actual feelings
The way she lets go of his hand and begins to subtly cry, touches me in so many ways. A masterpiece about the doubt of what it really means to love and feel loved.
The grief on Kate's face........I actually felt pain when I watched that scene as she pulled her arm away from Geoff........the moment she realizes that he chose that song in memory of his dead fiancee............"MY Katya" as he refers to her........poor Kate.....she has died inside.........
Watched this gem 4 years ago...Rampling's performance is a masterclass in acting. This last scene still gives me the chills. The song is great too...personifying her state of mind.
This movie is taking me a while to process. Right at the beginning, when Geoff says "MY Katya" I was just stunned. How refers to a giflfriend from half a century ago that way! Then throughout the movie I admired how nice and polite Kate and Geoff were to each other. I guess this is always a big deal to me because of how different my own marriage always was. So I thought, well, they've have a good marriage, a nice life together, Geoff has loved her in a way that matters. But reading the comments and thinking about it more, omg, Geoff has been everything to Kate in their marriage since they don't have children, but she never had his heart. So tragic and sad.
Devastating. Heartbreaking. Such an amazing film, completely gripping and thrilling. That final scene takes the breath away. It’s so genuine and believable, it’s just agony.
I think this is one of the greatest final scenes of any film ever made. (But UA-camrs who peruse for just this moment, you need to understand everything leading up to it. If you have not yet seen this movie do NOT WATCH THIS SCENE!!!
i just finished watching the movie for the first time 5 minutes ago , and when i heard "Go Now" plays at the end then the screen cut to black i was on the verge of tears cause it implies that their marriage is over . Outstanding film!
Not only is the dance song heartbreaking for all you've posted here, but the CREDITS song too. It sums/wraps up the story in the most heart-wrenching way. Pay attention to the lyrics.
There's no difference in the study, preparation, training, and years of dedication to acquire proficiency as a nuclear physicist, aeronautical engineer, or neurosurgeon than it is to be an artist. Charlotte Rampling proves it in this scene.
That’s not really true now is it. You can be proficient in acting without study, only practice (though of course studying helps). Also, acting can come with instantaneous joy as soon as it’s practiced, which the same is hard to say for nuclear physics or engineering.
During the course of this, the movie kinda grows on you, such a beautiful plot to be presented as cinema. And Charlotte Ramping was brilliant, very nuanced, subtle and very fine with expressions, she is such a great actress.
I plan to show this movie to my parents maybe just to embarass my dad. My mom got very upset when my dad's ex from highschool 35 years ago reached out on Facebook and she saw on Messenger that my dad replied, "I still kept your picture from years ago in my closet." I was fuming as well but I'm not the type to lash out. That's why I find it fortunate that they did not have children in this movie because even children get affected by this-more than the parents can ever realize.
I can relate to this too, only it was watching my dad grinning like an idiot as he stole kisses from random young women at the bar... in front of me... while he was married to my mom, who was rotting away with an addiction and no outlet. The best thing people can do to unfaithful partners is leave them. Right away. Get it over with. They don't change.
@Lavender Raine She definitely was devastated. It was a stable family for all I thought when one morning I woke from my mom's sobbing screams of "liar!" at my dad and then she drove away somewhere while the neighbors wondered what the hysterics was all about. They both kept the conflict from us right until that meltdown and my mom revealed how the ex ignored her friend request since it was rather suspicious that my dad was (and still is) friends on Facebook with the ex. The ex ignored the request and my mom could still see my dad "simply having old time friendly chats", as he puts it, EXCLUSIVELY with her on Messenger. Basically chats that included "I still remember that model looking handsome guy from way back when...let's meet up...". I mean seriously? Meet up when she refused to even friend my mother? When my mom finally remarked to my dad what a B**** that ex is for such behavior, my dad said to my mom, "You don't know her, don't call her that because you're the B****". We refused to speak to our dad after that until he assured our mom that "he stopped speaking to her already". Supposedly, my parents were "starting over" after that incident but it definitely left an abandonment feeling and distrust on me. I would have told my dad and that ex out of spite what an embarrassment they both were, already approaching 60 and still desperate to capture/hold on to their prime and immaturity...that if it comes to that, that ex is pretty much just scavenging for some old "leftover" anyway...bunch of immature, thirsty old farts🙄. I wish there's Alienation of Affection laws in California. I would definitely sue their behinds.
I could not hate him,I pitied him,I could see his pain at the loss of his love and his unborn child,and unable to carry out a decent funeral put her thought to rest after a tragic demise.This depicts how people suffer when they lose their loved ones..That does not mean they can’t love again.Love us love,it does not matter if it’s us first or second.I wish he had spoken to Kate about it soon enough.His post traumatic stress has been reactivated by this new news.But that is what life is all about the choices we make..Bed of roses is filled with thorns.If Kate’s love for Geoff is true she will stick by him.
Esta escena es dolorosa. Demasiado dolorosa. Representa el darse cuenta de toda una vida de mentiras. Darse cuenta que todo el amor que pensaste que alguien sentía por ti nunca existió realmente. Y el amor es lo único por lo que el ser humano realmente vive… y anhela tener.
There is no dialogue but the emotions are felt althroughout. No wonder why the acting branch of the AMPAS gives a tuppence to nominate Rampling. It's a brilliant performance.
Thematically the song choice works brilliant for this moment, but anyone ever think it was weird they chose a song about love ending to be their wedding song? “Yet today, my love has gone away, I am without my love… tears I cannot hide” if you read into the lyricism it’s a song all about loss and love ending. So as I say, thematically it works great in the scene, but to think they chose this to be there song 45 years ago is odd.
It's because Larson was in a bigger movie that more voters saw because it was up for Best Picture. Same reason why Isabelle Huppert would lose to Emma Stone a year later. Larson and Stone are wonderful in their parts, but Rampling and Huppert are masterclasses that inspire.
I believe it's due to the overall strength of Brie Larson's movie. In addition to Best Picture, Room is also nominated for Best Director so it's basically a top 5 film. Brie was good but I think Charlotte is equally good if not better in this more difficult role. She was the only performer on screen in so many scenes while Brie had Jacob, the male actor who played her abuser and the rape issue which can affect the audiences much much easier than inner emotional turmoil.
Real actors probably don't care and if they do then they shouldn't. A random bunch of people deciding whose best in a given year with all the added factors of marketing, hype, release date etc has no bearing on the brilliance of an artist.
Charlotte Rampling is utterly tremendous in this scene, but the film ends so cruelly against her for no reason. It is a tragedy and Rampling leaves us with a tour de force.
@@BLTKellys no he wasn’t. He was actually a nice guy . We are empathetic for the wife because she can’t be in his head what his would-be baby’s mother was. Doesn’t make him sadistic. Makes him sad and pitiful
A thought I had about the devastating final scene. "Smoke" was their wedding song, which is a pretty odd choice given the lyrics. Did Geoff choose that song for their marriage? And did Kate realize, in that last shot, that consciously or unconsciously, he had been thinking of Katya?
To then go the Moody Blues Go Now over the credits (the music she has requested eariler) - thats it. Its over. He will go. The end. She cant pretend another moment.
I literally just finished the movie.At first at the ending i didnt know what to think, then i though maybe she was sad in the dance because she felt bad/ashamed about giving him a hard time about someone he loved in the past. But in retrospect her jerking her hand away at the end of the dance says it all. I completely feel her husband loves her through the movie, and that they have a comfortable loving life together.And at the same time i dont get why shes so distressed upon finding out about his previous love. I mean i dont get it, but i do at the same time. Truly heartbreaking. I do wish they would have talked about it more rather than skirting the issue. Esp after her seeing the photos of her and trying to understand/knowing why he is so distraught.In the end i think the message is ppl can be married for years like them, and live a good life together, but comfortable dosent equal true love.
@Lavender Raine I've read all your replies Lavender and you've really understood this film completely. I hadn't cottoned on to the fact that the reason he couldn't finish making love to his wife was because he'd previously been fantasising about his lost Katya when he kept his eyes closed. You explained it so well!! It makes you realise what subtle and thought provoking film it is.
@Lavender Raine Wow, dunno how i hadnt read this sooner! Spot on! I never noticed the part u talked about where they are "making love".And the dogs too! Its almost like you have to read the movie in reverse to get all the subtle hints
They are too English to talk about it. That’s not how (especially older) English people work. She has realised that Katya was the love of his life. Katya was pregnant, Kate has no children. She has dogs. German shepherd dogs. Geoff reads German books and listens to German music. Even the names are similar (Kate/Katya). Over the course of that week, Geoff becomes lost in memories and grief for his true love, and Kate realises he has settled for second best. “They asked me how I knew my true love is true”
I watched this film a couple of years ago and didnt enjoy it at all. I completely missed what was going on with Charlotte Rampling and the lyrics of the song. Tonight I got the plot and found it a tremendous film with super performances from the lead actors. It's very clever indeed! I've noticed a couple of people commenting on this film and they reckon Tom Courtney had killed Katya?? Did anybody else feel that had happened? I didn't get that vibe at all. A really good film!
She is the second best.First love is First love,and worsts of it was he lost two of them.Love of his life and his unborn child.How could you not forgive this man,who had finally come clean with his post traumatic stress.He feared that Kate would reject him,and was nor prepared for another loss.
I think the saddest part is that woman was dead, and she could never compared with a departed woman. She will always be young and beauty and perfect in his memory. That is extremely unfair.
@@TitusK1ng He idealized during all the marriage his life with his past love and not with his wife, because he never loved or wanted to be a parent with her and never forget the prior one. And sadly, she discovered the reality of her marriage during the celebration of their 45th year anniversary.
Yes her acting is incredible, but why is no one focusing on the PLOT. Why was it such a big deal that her husband had a love that was lost before her? And why is it so heavy on her now after 45 years? I don't get it. This is not a unique situation. Unfortunately many of us would go through something similar. It's called baggage. Was she that pretentious as to think her husband's world always revolved around her? That he was incapable of love before meeting her? If so, how did his character suffer 45 years with someone like that?? Yes it was like watching a person fall apart. But the wife's character seemed so pompous and credulous, that I didn't feel an ounce of emotion for her.
@Sara Wilkinson Thank you for that wonderful explanation. I understand the nuances of how she comes to the realization. I'm just surprised at how she did not do so sooner. Like their wedding song...I mean COME ON. But then again I can understand that perhaps her love for him made her 'blind' to such inclinations. Not to mention, even I didn't pick up on some of the things you had mentioned. Though, in my defense, I was't married to him, lol.
@@samh5733 "smoke gets in your eyes" applies to Kate too. Who among us has not ignored warning signs or been naively optimistic? 45 years is a long time but it's a very human issue. The last girl I dated was the most asocial person I've ever met. 7 months in, she told me "I don't know why anyone would want to date me." Near the end of the four-year relationship, she revealed that she was done before the end of the first year. Perhaps that quote was her way of saying she wanted out, I took it as self-deprecation. She wasn't strong enough to end it, and I was too hopeful. (Optimist and pessimist don't mix, folks. It's a drain. Don't be a savior.) Humans can be too compassionate or optimistic for their own good.
I have seen this film 5 times and this final scene is always very painful.....a masterclass in acting.
Charlotte Rampling is absolutely believable as the wife who realizes that her husband has been emotionally married to a dead woman for 45 years.
There is a strange irony here, because it seems that the husband, Geoff, played by the brilliant Tom Courtenay, has finally laid the ghost of 'Katya' to rest......he has had an epiphany in the same way that Kate has.
Geoff has realized that his GREATEST love is in fact the woman he has been wed to for 45 years......that's why he cried when he gave his emotional speech.......it has quite literally taken him nearly half a century to understand that he has been married to a diamond for 45 years and that he has treated this rare gem like she is a worthless piece of junk.
Alas, Geoff's epiphany and his heartfelt tears have come a lifetime too late.......the way Kate wrenches her arm away is symbolic.....she is wrenching herself away from Geoff......he has stabbed her in the heart and the marriage is over.
And who can blame her?
You know I agree with everything you said but I don't in fact believe that he treated her like a "worthless piece of junk". I think the splendor of the movie is that they did have a good life and he treated her well, but the part of Kate the Geoff has had all these years, (her soul her trust, her vulnerability ) Geoff did not truly give to her until the couple of days before the anniversary (or maybe not even fully then). I think that's why it hurts the most. He wasn't this cold husband, he was charming and her personal perfection, so when she comes to realize that the way she has always intuitively seen in him, isn't how he's felt all these years ,and that she may be an over glorified rebound it's devastating and a sort of betrayal. Katya was hidden in a secret place in Geoff's heart where Kate shouldv'e been.
I watched it once and I didn't realize that he grew to love her in the end. I'll watch again if I have the time. But I think it's never too late for him to love her, the problem is she probably can't tell anymore whether he's loving her for her. She's now stuck in a kind of eternal hell. Like if it were me, I'd never stop doubting the sincerity of his every single affectionate gesture from this point on.
I think she probably left him but returned to him. He has pulled himself together, and she is sensible enough to know there is no point being jealous of a dead woman. When it comes down to it, they have spent their lives together. Katya’s ghost has been laid to rest.
What brilliant way of explanation .
I am little late to join this conversation but I repeat this film time and again so I am glad to discussed it any chance I get. My take on the anniversary speech is that he didn’t have a complete understanding yet what Kate went through. Whether drunk or not, he never realized the changes of emotion Kate was having throughout the dance, his partner for 45+ years. Its not like she expects him to not love anyone before her, but not to know the depth of love and how there is a mausoleum of Katya in his heart, not knowing that for one year would be heart breaking, for 45 years would be devastating. And accepting all the shortcomings in their marriage, especially childlessness, giving up music, abandoning those major decisions without knowing the cause is so so late for her. She won’t leave him, despite everything she loves him and he is sick. But even leaving him wont bring her any piece, she has been bound to him for 45 years, she wont be able to let go. When a person questions everything from their wedding song to husband love on 45th anniversary there is no happy ending for them in this life. This film truly breaks my heart 😥
Masterclass of acting. It's like a watching a human being torn away into a million pieces.
PalmurcioWorld true!! Hurt my heart when Geoff refers to Cathya as “My Cathya” that phrase killed me.
...the way she pulls away...the way he doesn't even notice...
Exactly. He didn’t notice because to me it seemed as though he really didn’t care. I don’t care what anyone says I don’t think he loves his wife. I think he ‘tolerates’ her.
Simply heart wrenching. I wish she would’ve noticed that his heart was preoccupied 45 years ago.😒
@@AdventuresOfBillAndMia i wonder what it says about her to have not noticed for all those years...
The absolute brilliance comes in Rampling's silence. The most beautiful acting from one of the most beautiful individuals ever. This film is a masterpiece.
As he hams it up on the dance floor, she realizes his entire life with her has been a performance.
That's a hell of a punch in the gut. I wonder how she got through the rest of the evening? 😔
The choice of song here is perfect. The lyrics "All who love are blind" and "When your heart's on fire, you must realize, smoke gets in your eyes" seem to allude to Kate's love toward her husband. For 45 years the "smoke" caused by Kate's love for Geoff blinded her to the truth of her relationship, that she would always be second to a dead woman in her husband's eyes. Truly painful.
It’s actually the opposite. The song is about falling in love and how fixated they become with their person and then losing the love of your life. This whole ending is heart wrenching cause even the wedding song is a subconscious memorial to the life he wouldn’t have with Katya.
@@Dinobottenbley I think I agree with the Mad Chemist instead:
"They asked me how I knew my true love was true" - in the end she faces the that that her love story was a lie!
@@SaymonNascimento that might’ve been the case if Geoff didn’t choose the wedding song. The fact he did goes to show that the song parallels his actual feelings
This scene shows why Charlotte Rampling deservedly got an Oscar nomination for this film.
But really, it should’ve been an Oscar win for her, not just a nomination. What a masterclass in acting this was!
@@MrChaseBlue the competition was pretty stiff that year. Care Blanchett, Brie Larson, and Saoirse Ronan we’re also in that category.
@@poett8875 And she was superior to all of them.
Angelofmusic- I love people who are passionate about their film goddesses. If it involves Charlotte Rampling it is a tough act to follow!
The way she lets go of his hand and begins to subtly cry, touches me in so many ways. A masterpiece about the doubt of what it really means to love and feel loved.
Best movie performance of the decade. Purely incredible acting.
The grief on Kate's face........I actually felt pain when I watched that scene as she pulled her arm away from Geoff........the moment she realizes that he chose that song in memory of his dead fiancee............"MY Katya" as he refers to her........poor Kate.....she has died inside.........
incredible acting, just incredible.
Watched this gem 4 years ago...Rampling's performance is a masterclass in acting. This last scene still gives me the chills. The song is great too...personifying her state of mind.
Truly a masterclass in acting, even in the scene before this, during his speech.
A performance for the ages.
That moment when you realise that the person you love has always been in love with someone else...........
This movie is taking me a while to process. Right at the beginning, when Geoff says "MY Katya" I was just stunned. How refers to a giflfriend from half a century ago that way! Then throughout the movie I admired how nice and polite Kate and Geoff were to each other. I guess this is always a big deal to me because of how different my own marriage always was. So I thought, well, they've have a good marriage, a nice life together, Geoff has loved her in a way that matters. But reading the comments and thinking about it more, omg, Geoff has been everything to Kate in their marriage since they don't have children, but she never had his heart. So tragic and sad.
I was astonished that he called her HIS Katya. So uncomfortable. Yikes
Devastating. Heartbreaking. Such an amazing film, completely gripping and thrilling. That final scene takes the breath away. It’s so genuine and believable, it’s just agony.
Haven't even watched this film in years and I can still feel the emotion heavy watching this scene. Amazing acting. God bless Charlotte
This is one of the most human, raw & emotional movies I have ever seen… truly a masterpiece ❤️
This movie broke my heart into pieces! I actually felt physical pain at the end.
Jesus Christ! that final moment when she rips her hand away from his is such a punch in the gut!
Here because of Ari aster
Why are you here for ari aster?
@@aqualcunopiaceclassico3201 he mentioned and talked about and how much he loved this movie in an interview
@@pwan280 Yeah, I just discovered it and my love for him grew up a little bit more.
Same here!!!!
I'm a fan of his two latest films so I'm glad too that we like something in common.
A brilliant performance by Charlotte Rampling in this film. What a final scene, just gut wrenching.
What a beautiful ending of the movie 45 Years! Charlotte Rampling in an awesoem role!
I love this acting. I wish she would make more films. Like Judy Dench, this actress is timeless
She's currently on Dune
Both of them are incredible! I love her acting so much.
I think this is one of the greatest final scenes of any film ever made. (But UA-camrs who peruse for just this moment, you need to understand everything leading up to it. If you have not yet seen this movie do NOT WATCH THIS SCENE!!!
She suddenly realizes the song is meant for Katya, not her. Sad
i just finished watching the movie for the first time 5 minutes ago , and when i heard "Go Now" plays at the end then the screen cut to black i was on the verge of tears cause it implies that their marriage is over . Outstanding film!
Great movie!!! Delicated pkayed it. What a moment, everything died inside Kate. Wow 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 very good actors!
best ending of film history
She may not give him the boot but his life will be different.....one of the very best movies ever made.
Not only is the dance song heartbreaking for all you've posted here, but the CREDITS song too. It sums/wraps up the story in the most heart-wrenching way. Pay attention to the lyrics.
This movie was so sad.
There's no difference in the study, preparation, training, and years of dedication to acquire proficiency as a nuclear physicist, aeronautical engineer, or neurosurgeon than it is to be an artist. Charlotte Rampling proves it in this scene.
That’s not really true now is it. You can be proficient in acting without study, only practice (though of course studying helps). Also, acting can come with instantaneous joy as soon as it’s practiced, which the same is hard to say for nuclear physics or engineering.
@@felixpotter6420 but you probably can’t be this technically masterful without years of study and experience.
During the course of this, the movie kinda grows on you, such a beautiful plot to be presented as cinema. And Charlotte Ramping was brilliant, very nuanced, subtle and very fine with expressions, she is such a great actress.
Great acting is done with no words!
I plan to show this movie to my parents maybe just to embarass my dad. My mom got very upset when my dad's ex from highschool 35 years ago reached out on Facebook and she saw on Messenger that my dad replied, "I still kept your picture from years ago in my closet." I was fuming as well but I'm not the type to lash out. That's why I find it fortunate that they did not have children in this movie because even children get affected by this-more than the parents can ever realize.
I can relate to this too, only it was watching my dad grinning like an idiot as he stole kisses from random young women at the bar... in front of me... while he was married to my mom, who was rotting away with an addiction and no outlet.
The best thing people can do to unfaithful partners is leave them. Right away. Get it over with. They don't change.
@Lavender Raine She definitely was devastated. It was a stable family for all I thought when one morning I woke from my mom's sobbing screams of "liar!" at my dad and then she drove away somewhere while the neighbors wondered what the hysterics was all about. They both kept the conflict from us right until that meltdown and my mom revealed how the ex ignored her friend request since it was rather suspicious that my dad was (and still is) friends on Facebook with the ex. The ex ignored the request and my mom could still see my dad "simply having old time friendly chats", as he puts it, EXCLUSIVELY with her on Messenger. Basically chats that included "I still remember that model looking handsome guy from way back when...let's meet up...". I mean seriously? Meet up when she refused to even friend my mother? When my mom finally remarked to my dad what a B**** that ex is for such behavior, my dad said to my mom, "You don't know her, don't call her that because you're the B****". We refused to speak to our dad after that until he assured our mom that "he stopped speaking to her already". Supposedly, my parents were "starting over" after that incident but it definitely left an abandonment feeling and distrust on me. I would have told my dad and that ex out of spite what an embarrassment they both were, already approaching 60 and still desperate to capture/hold on to their prime and immaturity...that if it comes to that, that ex is pretty much just scavenging for some old "leftover" anyway...bunch of immature, thirsty old farts🙄.
I wish there's Alienation of Affection laws in California. I would definitely sue their behinds.
Such a haunting final scene
that was so fucking hard to watch, like u can just tell she wanted to pull away the entire time
I hated Geoff so much. I wish Kate had burned all the pictures of Katya... I wanted her to stick it to him.
I could not hate him,I pitied him,I could see his pain at the loss of his love and his unborn child,and unable to carry out a decent funeral put her thought to rest after a tragic demise.This depicts how people suffer when they lose their loved ones..That does not mean they can’t love again.Love us love,it does not matter if it’s us first or second.I wish he had spoken to Kate about it soon enough.His post traumatic stress has been reactivated by this new news.But that is what life is all about the choices we make..Bed of roses is filled with thorns.If Kate’s love for Geoff is true she will stick by him.
Ari Aster brought me here
Esta escena es dolorosa. Demasiado dolorosa. Representa el darse cuenta de toda una vida de mentiras. Darse cuenta que todo el amor que pensaste que alguien sentía por ti nunca existió realmente. Y el amor es lo único por lo que el ser humano realmente vive… y anhela tener.
There is no dialogue but the emotions are felt althroughout. No wonder why the acting branch of the AMPAS gives a tuppence to nominate Rampling. It's a brilliant performance.
Thematically the song choice works brilliant for this moment, but anyone ever think it was weird they chose a song about love ending to be their wedding song? “Yet today, my love has gone away, I am without my love… tears I cannot hide” if you read into the lyricism it’s a song all about loss and love ending. So as I say, thematically it works great in the scene, but to think they chose this to be there song 45 years ago is odd.
For the same reason people play “Every Breath You Take” at weddings. It just *sounds* so damned romantic. That’s the power of songcraft.
That's the entire point. In this scene she's hearing the lyrics properly for the first time.
HEARTBREAKING
this film is actually a ghost haunting film similar to rebecca.
Yes! I never thought of that before, but great observation.
Amazing scene! Heartwrenching!
MASTERCLASS!
Brutal.
Heartbreaking scene
For those who liked this, the 2009 film Lourdes has similar undertones, themes and ending. Link on UA-cam:
ua-cam.com/video/EUFLdViGmnc/v-deo.html
devastating
even their wedding song was about her. god.
i felt that
How on earth she lost out to Brie Larson for best actress. Just crriminal
It's because Larson was in a bigger movie that more voters saw because it was up for Best Picture. Same reason why Isabelle Huppert would lose to Emma Stone a year later. Larson and Stone are wonderful in their parts, but Rampling and Huppert are masterclasses that inspire.
I believe it's due to the overall strength of Brie Larson's movie. In addition to Best Picture, Room is also nominated for Best Director so it's basically a top 5 film. Brie was good but I think Charlotte is equally good if not better in this more difficult role. She was the only performer on screen in so many scenes while Brie had Jacob, the male actor who played her abuser and the rape issue which can affect the audiences much much easier than inner emotional turmoil.
Real actors probably don't care and if they do then they shouldn't. A random bunch of people deciding whose best in a given year with all the added factors of marketing, hype, release date etc has no bearing on the brilliance of an artist.
Room was horrific and Larson deserved her win. Her role was sad and brilliantly played but Charlotte was her second coming.
Charlotte Rampling is utterly tremendous in this scene, but the film ends so cruelly against her for no reason. It is a tragedy and Rampling leaves us with a tour de force.
So geoff will always remember his first love. 😭😭😭😭
I was in this room today
Ugh. When he refers to her as "My Cathya". I felt phisical pain at the end if this.
He was a sadistic prick and enjoyed making his wife feel inadequate.
@@BLTKellys no he wasn’t. He was actually a nice guy . We are empathetic for the wife because she can’t be in his head what his would-be baby’s mother was. Doesn’t make him sadistic. Makes him sad and pitiful
A thought I had about the devastating final scene. "Smoke" was their wedding song, which is a pretty odd choice given the lyrics. Did Geoff choose that song for their marriage? And did Kate realize, in that last shot, that consciously or unconsciously, he had been thinking of Katya?
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I wanna see the part of the interview where he’s talking about it but can’t find. Could you please help me?
@@anthonys0210 He talks about it in this interview ua-cam.com/video/rcXIV9Y3ilc/v-deo.html
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To then go the Moody Blues Go Now over the credits (the music she has requested eariler) - thats it. Its over. He will go. The end. She cant pretend another moment.
Lesson learned: Make sure you don't marry someone who was in love with someone else.
Very true......but sometimes we don't realise the truth until it is too late.
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I love Charlotte Rampling
That’s how every date I’ve been on has looked. 😂
I literally just finished the movie.At first at the ending i didnt know what to think, then i though maybe she was sad in the dance because she felt bad/ashamed about giving him a hard time about someone he loved in the past. But in retrospect her jerking her hand away at the end of the dance says it all. I completely feel her husband loves her through the movie, and that they have a comfortable loving life together.And at the same time i dont get why shes so distressed upon finding out about his previous love. I mean i dont get it, but i do at the same time. Truly heartbreaking. I do wish they would have talked about it more rather than skirting the issue. Esp after her seeing the photos of her and trying to understand/knowing why he is so distraught.In the end i think the message is ppl can be married for years like them, and live a good life together, but comfortable dosent equal true love.
@Lavender Raine I've read all your replies Lavender and you've really understood this film completely. I hadn't cottoned on to the fact that the reason he couldn't finish making love to his wife was because he'd previously been fantasising about his lost Katya when he kept his eyes closed. You explained it so well!! It makes you realise what subtle and thought provoking film it is.
@Lavender Raine Wow, dunno how i hadnt read this sooner! Spot on! I never noticed the part u talked about where they are "making love".And the dogs too! Its almost like you have to read the movie in reverse to get all the subtle hints
@Lavender Raine Reading this and realizing some subtle things I missed gave me chills!
They are too English to talk about it. That’s not how (especially older) English people work. She has realised that Katya was the love of his life. Katya was pregnant, Kate has no children. She has dogs. German shepherd dogs. Geoff reads German books and listens to German music. Even the names are similar (Kate/Katya). Over the course of that week, Geoff becomes lost in memories and grief for his true love, and Kate realises he has settled for second best. “They asked me how I knew my true love is true”
I watched this film a couple of years ago and didnt enjoy it at all. I completely missed what was going on with Charlotte Rampling and the lyrics of the song. Tonight I got the plot and found it a tremendous film with super performances from the lead actors. It's very clever indeed!
I've noticed a couple of people commenting on this film and they reckon Tom Courtney had killed Katya?? Did anybody else feel that had happened? I didn't get that vibe at all. A really good film!
..still waiting for that one joke,
She is the second best.First love is First love,and worsts of it was he lost two of them.Love of his life and his unborn child.How could you not forgive this man,who had finally come clean with his post traumatic stress.He feared that Kate would reject him,and was nor prepared for another loss.
I think the saddest part is that woman was dead, and she could never compared with a departed woman. She will always be young and beauty and perfect in his memory. That is extremely unfair.
they should have cancelled the dinner
anybody know the name of dance?
Davood rahimzadeh smoke gets in your eyes
Is it sad ending? Why she looked so sad
Yes, it is. Because she discovers that her life in marriage was unreal.
@@yero16 what do you mean?
@@TitusK1ng He idealized during all the marriage his life with his past love and not with his wife, because he never loved or wanted to be a parent with her and never forget the prior one.
And sadly, she discovered the reality of her marriage during the celebration of their 45th year anniversary.
Kept waiting for this movie to end with them in love.
Nope.
What a miserable movie. 😂
Yes her acting is incredible, but why is no one focusing on the PLOT. Why was it such a big deal that her husband had a love that was lost before her? And why is it so heavy on her now after 45 years? I don't get it. This is not a unique situation. Unfortunately many of us would go through something similar. It's called baggage. Was she that pretentious as to think her husband's world always revolved around her? That he was incapable of love before meeting her? If so, how did his character suffer 45 years with someone like that?? Yes it was like watching a person fall apart. But the wife's character seemed so pompous and credulous, that I didn't feel an ounce of emotion for her.
@Sara Wilkinson Thank you for that wonderful explanation. I understand the nuances of how she comes to the realization. I'm just surprised at how she did not do so sooner. Like their wedding song...I mean COME ON. But then again I can understand that perhaps her love for him made her 'blind' to such inclinations. Not to mention, even I didn't pick up on some of the things you had mentioned. Though, in my defense, I was't married to him, lol.
@Sara Wilkinson Not to mention the similarity of their names
@@speabody Whoa! I completely overlooked the fact that their names were so similar! 😮
@@samh5733 "smoke gets in your eyes" applies to Kate too. Who among us has not ignored warning signs or been naively optimistic? 45 years is a long time but it's a very human issue.
The last girl I dated was the most asocial person I've ever met. 7 months in, she told me "I don't know why anyone would want to date me." Near the end of the four-year relationship, she revealed that she was done before the end of the first year. Perhaps that quote was her way of saying she wanted out, I took it as self-deprecation. She wasn't strong enough to end it, and I was too hopeful. (Optimist and pessimist don't mix, folks. It's a drain. Don't be a savior.)
Humans can be too compassionate or optimistic for their own good.
@Sara Wilkinson Really great explanation you have given, Sara.
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