Discussion | We have to learn to offload our baggage: Moeletsi Mbeki

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  • Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
  • The Chairperson of The South African Institute of International Affairs, Moeletsi Mbeki says the DA is correct that there has to be proportionality in the allocation of the cabinet seats in the Gauteng's legislature. This after the DA showed discontentment with the ANC's decision to give the party three seats out of ten and keep six seats and the premier. The DA says there should be proportionality as the ANC does not have the outright majority in the province. The party says the election results between the ANC and the DA are not too different.
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  • @dilochetty9332
    @dilochetty9332 2 дні тому +25

    Anc is stil trying to control tenders and money..simple

    • @AIRview2
      @AIRview2 День тому

      Follow the corruption road.....embedded in the Dna

  • @happytape307
    @happytape307 2 дні тому +30

    ANC will be official opposition from 2029.

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому +2

      By design not by choice of the people. Then we are going to see Malema become our president and DA will help Malema to be the president . Watch as this unfold

    • @happytape307
      @happytape307 День тому +1

      @@DumaM-ir7rk Malema hates diversity too much to be president of South Africa. If that ever happens we will pay 20 million rand for a loaf of bread.

    • @urbannet1392
      @urbannet1392 День тому +2

      Smoking Nyaope

    • @happytape307
      @happytape307 День тому +3

      @@urbannet1392 by God's grace, I don't smoke that trash.

    • @Jadamema28
      @Jadamema28 8 годин тому

      @@happytape307 definitely if they keep up this madness going with DA 2026 and 2029 they will go down atleast Panyaza realizes that

  • @ShawnRademeyer
    @ShawnRademeyer 2 дні тому +14

    Moeletsi always comes across as a smart, principled person.

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому

      I wish I could share the same sentiment. This guy is fingered in arms deal and this are the brothers who have protected the white supremacy

    • @avrilmemela9392
      @avrilmemela9392 День тому +1

      My cat is also smart...😂😂

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому

      Mbeki brothers are supporters of the white ideology

  • @hgfku-tn6hb
    @hgfku-tn6hb 2 дні тому +26

    Moeletsi Mbeki went straight to the point without wasting time. ANC is displaying greediness

  • @SOGUDJWANKOSI
    @SOGUDJWANKOSI День тому +5

    Parliament should not be treated like a battle field of time wasting speaches.

  • @ShawnRademeyer
    @ShawnRademeyer 2 дні тому +11

    Mr Mbeki, the problem is that those who claim to represent the poor like the EFF, MK, Cosatu, and SACP don't actually serve them well and in most cases are only there for their own enrichment. Their policies are also counterproductive to actual upliftment without suppressing or disenfranchising others. Envy and racism are both sins.

    • @Wildcatofeastafrica
      @Wildcatofeastafrica 19 годин тому +1

      ANC and DA?

    • @aviwedasha2599
      @aviwedasha2599 17 годин тому +1

      What is wrong about building state owned bank
      What is wrong about our country owns it's own minerals
      What is wrong about our country own it's land
      What is wrong about our country to own rerseve bank
      Why these mine owners not building factories where our minerals can be processed her so that people can get jobs

    • @ShawnRademeyer
      @ShawnRademeyer 16 годин тому

      @aviwedasha2599
      What is wrong? When you say country owns, you mean the government owns everything. Would you be happy if, in 20 years' time, there is a white government that owns all this stuff? You are describing North Korea, and most South Africans don't want that. That's why EFF and MK only got 25% of the vote.

    • @Wildcatofeastafrica
      @Wildcatofeastafrica 16 годин тому +1

      @@aviwedasha2599 hhawu kodwa sisi wam,currently we are failing to Run Metros,Local Municipalities,public hospitals,public schools name it…do you think we can be capable to run those things?

    • @corinnevanjaarsveldt6087
      @corinnevanjaarsveldt6087 15 годин тому

      ​@@aviwedasha2599nothing wrong of getting rid of paper money (debt) and maybe this is a way to go. But not taking peoples posessions away from them is questionable. Also blaming a dead cow apartheid who cannot produce any milk anymore

  • @mtetelelimrwetyana2002
    @mtetelelimrwetyana2002 День тому +4

    MK will be the official ruling party and ANC official opposition with DA number 4 after EFF and IFP will be history in 2029

  • @AapVanDieKaap
    @AapVanDieKaap День тому +4

    Mr. Mbeki's insights never disappoint. I love how he is always on the edge of laughing. It is indeed funny in a macabre way how much effort we waste on our prejudices, but it's also completely understandable given our history. I think GNU is great, we've had 30 years to adjust. Now it's time to grow up, stop squabbling now and get this economy moving. I just hope it doesn't take us 30 years to grow up because that is a real possibility.

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому

      I also love the slave who support the white supremacy and pretend to be black when he is white in ideology

  • @stevedaniel5603
    @stevedaniel5603 2 дні тому +8

    Can’t think anyone I’ve ever met, seen or heard of that has lived to see 120 years, 400 !!
    Wow !!!
    I do know and have personally experienced serious discrimination based on my skin color in the past 30 years.

    • @avrilmemela9392
      @avrilmemela9392 День тому +2

      The seeds of apartheid forefathers, have come to fruition... 50 million South Africans....can relate...

  • @harley1450ification
    @harley1450ification День тому +1

    Always a pleasure to listen to this man. Hegemony is over for now. We need to find it within ourselves to work together. And we can.

  • @mjlroux9998
    @mjlroux9998 День тому +2

    The President must act his role. Stop listening to the Cadres

  • @imamshabiersathar8671
    @imamshabiersathar8671 2 дні тому +4

    We need younger and stronger police force and who can fight the criminals.
    New and stronger laws for criminals.
    We need honest people in the police force who can enforce the law and no bribery and corruption.
    Otherwise, the people shall govern themselves.
    Crime is the biggest setback for South Africa, and nobody is safe.

  • @johanpotgieter5949
    @johanpotgieter5949 2 дні тому +20

    With DUE RESPECT Mr. Mbeki, the ANC is SIMPLY ARROGANT, don't make excuses for the ANC!!!!!!!

    • @mamasmosoathu1364
      @mamasmosoathu1364 2 дні тому +1

      😂😂 Spare seats for those parties that might decide to join GNU. That's what I think it would add value...
      Let it not be difficult for other parties to join..
      Isn't it fair...😅

    • @mthokozisilanga4497
      @mthokozisilanga4497 2 дні тому

      You forget the arrogancy of the DA, it even displays to its Moonshot partners where the ANC is not even part of their municipal coalition. The DA is the racist arrogancy personified, whilst the ANC is protecting its loot, because it cannot function without corruption

  • @MelVeeBroadcastingNetwork
    @MelVeeBroadcastingNetwork 2 дні тому +1

    Yep, these are critical moments. This is a new era without nationalism as a key driver of reformation. The days of hegemony are gone, BUT the baggage of historic subjugation, manipulation and disenfranchisement are still determining political machinations and choice of language between predominantly white and black parties. These are exciting times in South Africa. The heartbeat of South Africa (Gauteng) is beating to a new tune.

  • @sbonelomadonsela3456
    @sbonelomadonsela3456 День тому +2

    One of the most incisefull anlysts ......does'nt mince his words

  • @stevenmoodley4699
    @stevenmoodley4699 День тому +2

    👍 well said Mr Mbeki

  • @user-pi6fs7ue7r
    @user-pi6fs7ue7r 2 дні тому +3

    They still want to rule most of the gnu the anc did not win an outright majority the country wants them to work togetherin all fairness pls get it right anc

  • @davidmabele6766
    @davidmabele6766 День тому +1

    It's true people will start forming their own parties according to Moeletsi Mbeki

  • @juanitatolmay
    @juanitatolmay День тому +1

    They will say they give you a lot of things but they never do

  • @lavidaNOTA
    @lavidaNOTA 2 дні тому +4

    The market hegemony ended apartheid & forced a DA/ANC coalition… The hegemony is stronger than ever!

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому

      Well we are going to see the nice shift of power from ANC to DA. but DA can’t take the country completely as people may rise . So EFF will take over from the exit of the ANC . Then the new Lion will keep the flame burning and the status quo will be maintained through EFF or sharing of power between EFF and DA.

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому

      Well the DA /ANC relationships is temporarily. The plan is to prepare the bed for EFF or should I say DA/EFF relationship . Then EFF will repeat what ANC has done for the last 30 years

    • @lwazimemela7123
      @lwazimemela7123 18 годин тому

      ​@@DumaM-ir7rk A very strange analysis . EFF / DA ?

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk 18 годин тому

      @@lwazimemela7123 I agree with Nota that the market Hegemony is behind all of this. So most people forget the history of How Pan African Congress was formed. PAC is the results of what some members of the ANC noticed the white infiltration into the ANC. Also the policy that South Africa belong to all of us who leave in it.
      You look back at what PAC warned ANC member about it is happening and we can all see the mess of the same white infiltrators on how it has weakened the ANC hence they are divided today and don’t have direction. Our people are afraid to even say it because makes them sound like they hate whites. We don’t hate whites but their agenda is well know all over the world

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk 18 годин тому

      @@lwazimemela7123 so the whole EFF leadership at some point they went to London to explain their land expropriation policy. Don’t you find that strange. They met with Lord Robin Renwick immediately EFF tone down on land expropriation and other matters of nationalisation. That’s when we saw the shift to pay back the money slogan start. Lord Robin is the guy who spoke openly about how he changed Mandela view on nationalisation and expropriation. Robin was very close to Thatcher. Robin Renwick is known as Malema handler and deny all of those handler allegations.

  • @Nonkosi_
    @Nonkosi_ 2 дні тому +7

    WMC forgot to bribe Panyaza. Now he is showing the DA flames 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому

      Panyaza is not the favourite of many whites but he is the appealing candidate to the middle and upper class Africans

  • @marysinclair3759
    @marysinclair3759 2 дні тому +5

    I don't care how sensitive the ANC feels. Fair is fair. ANC's feelings are irrelevant.

  • @hilaireirankunda8769
    @hilaireirankunda8769 2 дні тому +3

    You also said something about makeup

  • @andujarpain2629
    @andujarpain2629 2 дні тому +8

    MK in KZN has the most votes, but ANC kicked them out of the government! Now, Mbeki is talking about baggage when the fact is that Guateng should have a ANC, MK and EFF government. DA got away with bullying Rhamaphosa because he stole 5 million dolalrs buried under his mattress.

    • @khayanqaba6299
      @khayanqaba6299 2 дні тому +1

      DA is not bullying ANC anywhere because it was the ANC choice to work with the DA because the MK party does not want to work with anyone, and the EFF is the EFF. Lastly, it was 4 million under the mattress, not 5, and Ramaphosa didn't steal it. He hid it to avoid tax. Not defending him, just stating facts.

    • @Nonkosi_
      @Nonkosi_ 2 дні тому +1

      ​@@khayanqaba6299So just because it's 4 million then it makes it better 😂😂😂.
      Zuma warned you about the GNU. You will remember his words when you suffering because of the GNU.

    • @mapitsithamaga-xn3oi
      @mapitsithamaga-xn3oi 2 дні тому +1

      Not FACT

    • @modisamashishi216
      @modisamashishi216 2 дні тому

      ​@@khayanqaba6299Not factually correct...😮

    • @khayanqaba6299
      @khayanqaba6299 2 дні тому

      @modisamashishi216 can you please enlighten me where I am wrong? I don't want to spread false news

  • @brucethackwell6686
    @brucethackwell6686 2 дні тому +2

    Yes a fundamental differance one is corrupt the other is honest

  • @VIPSALONKTSHAVIPSALONKTSHA
    @VIPSALONKTSHAVIPSALONKTSHA 2 дні тому +2

    11:19 - 11:44 - Said reality. The poor have no voice😢

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому

      That’s the thing media shove down the voice of the upper and middle class down the throat of the majority poor

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому

      Well the poor never had voice in our history. So the upper and middle class blacks speak on behalf of the blacks majority. Unfortunately our upper and middle class they are just white men proxy and they must defend their position because if they fail then their white master will replace them with Arab, Asians or mixed race or poor afrikaaner

  • @mallorymoreton4245
    @mallorymoreton4245 3 години тому

    Love this man.

  • @thabomashiane8265
    @thabomashiane8265 17 годин тому

    This is going to be the longest 5 years

  • @Mpholebepe-ci6cc
    @Mpholebepe-ci6cc День тому

    It sound like you have some business with DA

  • @edwardsmall8865
    @edwardsmall8865 День тому

    Normally before the elections we have Hightide. Then politicians reach out. All other races reach out. Big business reach out to small businesses. After the elections we have Lowtide again. Thats when the water pulls far back. Fisherman must go deeper to catch fish. I already see this happening.

  • @oralminyi9826
    @oralminyi9826 День тому

    "South Africans have to look at one another not with grievance eyes..." Moeletsie Mbeki ( July 2024).

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому

      The Mbeki brothers are sellouts . They are black who think in white ideology

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому

      Sellout speak like the Mbeki brothers

  • @hilaireirankunda8769
    @hilaireirankunda8769 2 дні тому

    To me when I hear about going forward and so forth.it’s about recommendations

  • @samanthabhengu6127
    @samanthabhengu6127 2 дні тому

    They have been involved yes yes yes yes yes the difference is that DA wasn't invited by all so aspect all to simpatico with all

  • @philipcowie2478
    @philipcowie2478 2 дні тому +1

    This guy is pathetic. Everyday we hear the anc side of the story through their press conferences and everyday they say the same thing, the DA is arrogant, then everyone just regurgitates it. For once the DA holds a press conference and tells their side of the story, and he says we must wait to hear anc side of the story . 😂😂😂😂

  • @MatshedisoLefuoTshidi
    @MatshedisoLefuoTshidi 2 дні тому

    DA won the Gauteng province
    Why can't ANC do the same in Western Cape and KZN
    ANC list power in Gauteng
    Why this big deal?

  • @MK-gn1nz
    @MK-gn1nz 2 дні тому

    Proportionality is Grade 3 maths. Baggage? It's a gravy train😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @stevedaniel5603
    @stevedaniel5603 2 дні тому

    …not to say collective memory, nor that discrimination by law didn’t happen, it definitely did in South Africa. As it has elsewhere worldwide, including slavery - at any one time ALL nations/culture were enslaved.
    Can we move on now…

  • @Jadamema28
    @Jadamema28 2 дні тому

    With they 34 they can still form a government with 2 other parties the same can't be said for DA that's the defrints no other parties can get DA over 51%

  • @user-fh3oc5ij3s
    @user-fh3oc5ij3s 22 години тому

    SABC is on a mission to destroy Black professionals in this country.

  • @newinfoglobe7864
    @newinfoglobe7864 2 дні тому +3

    Who pays this guy to defend white monopoly capital?

    • @cobuslombard8546
      @cobuslombard8546 2 дні тому +1

      This is a very wise guy listen to your elders

    • @dududugwala1059
      @dududugwala1059 2 дні тому

      27% n ANC 34% difference is only 7% DA contributes 39% in GPU/ GNU Therefore 11MEC (incl Premier) x 39% =4 MEC for DA.
      So argue with facts...khawume nge white monopoly capital😂

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому

      @ newinfoglobe7864 the Mbeki brothers and their relationship with London is danger to our democracy

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому +1

      London pay for the Mbeki brothers hence they even benefited from arms deal. The project of London

  • @SonOfTheSoil834
    @SonOfTheSoil834 2 дні тому +6

    The tactics ANC used on that “GNU” cabinet are top political tactics …
    1..used DA to vote for the Ramaphosa they wher calling him Mr Phala Phala and that he must be held accountable
    2.used DA and many other parties to expand the cabinet size which is axactly what they been complaining about
    3.deployed into ministry positions 2 cadres from DA armed with just matric certificates
    This have proved to the South Africans that people are liars ,pretenders who will do anything at cost as long as they are on the receiving end !and I guess from now on they will be quiet about all such issues 🤣

    • @cobuslombard8546
      @cobuslombard8546 2 дні тому +1

      Better than a ex president with a grade 5

    • @SonOfTheSoil834
      @SonOfTheSoil834 2 дні тому

      @@cobuslombard8546 okay

    • @marysinclair3759
      @marysinclair3759 2 дні тому +1

      Lol, you fail to mention the other da ministers with degrees...how convenient.

    • @SonOfTheSoil834
      @SonOfTheSoil834 День тому

      @@marysinclair3759 yes coz everyone has post matric qualifications in ther is only those two outliers

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому

      @ SonOfTheSoil834 the tactics that you credit ANC with are not their own but their handler. All our political parties have their handlers and if you look closely you will notice this handlers are the same people but using proxy elements. So what is going to happen from now moving forward is ANC /DA relationship that will prepare the bed for EFF. But before EFF can take over, we are going to see EFF/DA alliance and ANC will be the official opposition party. Then once EFF take over we are going to face similar government to that of ANC in the last 30 years

  • @thembekaxipu6961
    @thembekaxipu6961 18 годин тому

    Bye bye

  • @sizwekhumalo3709
    @sizwekhumalo3709 2 дні тому +4

    DA hypocrisy. MK has the majority in KZN but they don't allow them to form part of GNU . Shut the door in GP

  • @fredbantu3694
    @fredbantu3694 День тому

    Mr Mbeki name one country where yTs lives peacefully n respectably with native people ? Just 1 i will be waiting.

  • @angelenergy3881
    @angelenergy3881 2 дні тому +4

    This sell out

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому +1

      Spot on . All the Mbeki brothers

  • @Jadamema28
    @Jadamema28 2 дні тому

    ANC have options DA don't jrrrr ANC CAN FLIPPIN FORM GOVERNMENT IN ALL PROVINCES AND NATIONAL WITH OUT DA, BUT DA CAN'T DO THAT WITH OUT ANC, HOW STUPID IS ANC NOT TO SEE THAT

    • @margaretlesoleso
      @margaretlesoleso День тому

      Ylu want us to go back to 30yrs of colonial rule by the Anc😭😭

    • @DumaM-ir7rk
      @DumaM-ir7rk День тому

      That’s because the controller of all our political party decided this decision not ANC

    • @Jadamema28
      @Jadamema28 День тому

      @@margaretlesoleso 300+ years under evil

  • @RazoMarazo
    @RazoMarazo 2 дні тому

    All the massagers to doomed us even more