I just got the prd 717.. i am amazed at the quality of machine work and how smooth it is.. especially at its price point. It feels nicer than the guns I used when I was painting back in the 80s and early 90s.. and those was considered top of the line at that time
Hi Bradley, I think the Porphis build and finish is at least equivalent to Devilbiss, Iwata, Sata, and the like. Then, when you consider the price, it's outstanding. The performance is better than the looks, so they really are quite a find, I think I absolutely love mine. I was using the PRD717 and PRD627 this week, absolutely superb results for , cheers buddy 👍
Hi Lesli, They certainly are mate, I was using the Porphis PRD627 and PRD717 in the week, absolutely brilliant guns, they are different to each other which I also like, but very good, cheers mate 👍
Hi Pete, the A60 does look a nice gun and from what I can see and you were saying it's a lot better quality than the WLS-400 that you loaned to me not that the WLS is a bad gun it's not a gun I would pay the asking price for but I'm lucky enough to have tried it before I buy one😁as you mentioned the baffle and gasket on the A60 does look a better design than the ProLite so it should last really well, when I saw the pics of the gun it reminded me of the WS400 but when you compared it to the Finer Core it does look more like that which is a good thing👌 I like the idea of you showing the spray patter at 90 degrees as it shows you just how even it's spraying when the paint starts to flow and the A60 is spot on with a nice even pattern as is the PRD-627, very interesting video I'm looking forward to seeing this gun in action, cheers mate👌👍
Hi John, The Avalon certainly does look well made, the pattern seems quite big considering Avalon said it was smaller than the HTE version, so I'm not sure that's going to be any larger as this is about as big as you would want. The sideways pattern is a good way of doing it but more difficult on a gravity gun, I don't like to rotate the cap as some baffles are directional, so I'm sure it will affect performance, maybe I'm over thinking it but I'm probably not. Cheers mate 👍
Yeah it looks a nice gun time will tell if it's worth the price you paid for it mate but I have a feeling it will be a great gun, I was surprised when you said that the HTE will have a bigger fan pattern, unlike some things in life I don't think bigger is always better when it comes to the size of the fan pattern🤭I recon the HTE might be a good gun for basecoat if it's got a bigger fan😁 Until you mentioned it I never gave it a thought that the baffle on a gun is directional but thinking about it, it does make sense that on some guns it might not spray as well with the cap turned but you should be able to tell by the design of the gun behind the aircap or the baffle if it has one🤔what you need is one of those adaptors for a side cup gun fitted to a normal gun so the pot is upright when the gun is on it's side😁😆 I have some more clearcoat coming, it's a cheaper HS clear from ProXL, it's around £8-10 dearer than the Upol Maximum which is by far my best budget clear, I've bought a 1.5L kit to try I'm hoping it will be like the Upol🤷♂cheers Pete👍
@JohnWD40TC02 Yeah, I was expecting a smaller pattern, more like a Wider4, but it's 11 inches, which seems enough. I like the idea of a side cup adapter 😀, cheers mate 👍
Pete, a couple of points: 1) The air nipple on the end of that adapter was not an American style nipple, it is in fact a Japanese style nipple. In America we have three native types of air couplings. First and most prevalent is the Milton Industrial, Second the True-Flate Automotive and Third the Lincoln. Luckily we are quickly adapting to the high flow European style which we call the Milton V. 2) This Avalon gun with its U slots, or whatever they call them is doomed to fail just like the 1st gun to ever used pre-atomization the Walcom GEO. The GEO failed because the tiny holes which they drilled around the perimeter of the nozzle were impossible to keep clean and I see this being the same problem the Avalon will have with its tiny slots as well. The beauty of the Iwata design is that they made the nozzle in a manner than cleaning it isn’t a problem and Porphis effectively copied this design. Also, the price of the Avalon is $600 in America which is nearly twice what I can buy either a Porphis or Meiji gun for and it’s clearly not worth that.
Hi Sataman, Thanks for the clarification on the air quick couple adapter, I wasn't aware you had so many to choose from. I know Walcom uses more of a smaller U grove, although I didn't know their holes were smaller, but I have never seen one in the flesh, so I am only going on photos and the like. I didn't know the Avalon was so much in the US, I paid much less than 600 USD for it on a Black Friday deal. The build quality does look very good, so I'll see how I get along with it, I thought the gun , in my mind, the Avalon would be up against was the Porphis 627, I know that likes around 29psi and I understand the Avalon is the same, whereas the PRD717 seems to be happy at much lower pressures and anywhere in between up to 29psi. Cheers, buddy, happy Christmas 👍
Hi Mate, Yes, I was saying in the video that there are 3 variations of this gun, this, UMP is supposed to be the fastest of them for application speed. Cheers buddy 👍
Hi Mate, I did order one in the Black Friday sales, but the seller refused to ship it as he said he was losing money. It would now cost me 148 USD, including tax, so it's not worth it as you can get an Anest Iwata LPH50 for only a little more
I got a pressure fed gun that have not used yet but i think the reason why there not so popular is clean up and if you got a long hose that has wide diameter say 3/8 25 ft long it is going to take a couple oz to prime it
Hi mate, Yes, normally, pressure feed is for larger projects or production jobs, as you say, it's a lot more work to prime and clean afterwards, so not worth it just for half a car or similar
That A60 looks to be an impressive gun, but it is a bit higher priced than what I figured it would be. The older version A50 was ridiculously priced. Avalon appears to be a decent Taiwanese company that could strive to be a bit more competitive
Hi Boss, Yes, the A50 was ridiculous. You may as well have got a WS400, which it was copying, of course. This A60 does appear to be quite well made, well, very well made to be honest. They are quite expensive, this is why I thought of the Porphis guns straight away, as they are good and cheaper, so the Avalon will have its work cut out to compete, cheers mate 👍
@peteshobbies5383 so far, I'm finding what I think is a spinoff of Avalaon to be more impressive. Quality Expert, I assume, is the brand name that produces the Dram and Berosslin. Both guns, while not perfect, have impressed in their abilities at cost. I've used the Berosslin with Upol 2802 for an initial clear application and flow coat with better than expected results. You'd think Avalon would compete with that level and price if they're the original manufacturer... big if as that is an assumption.
Hi Ben, I will get the Avalon A60 HTE version, I have literally just got the Avalon A60 UMP so have no idea how good or bad it is, but it's going to have to go some to beat that Porphis, cheers mate 👍
Good video mate Merry Xmas to you and family. As you know Iam teaching smart repairs next year and putting a new system together. The turbine system is great but at over $7000 NZ and is to expensive now. Can you suggest 2 suns base coat, clears, with different caps and needle sizes. Iam looking at at the ANI R160 ? what your thoughts? The DV1 here are over $1000 NZ so out of the question. I want to spent about $500 pounds for 2 guns....You may come up with another suggestion Pete. Cheers
Hi mate, Yes, seasons greetings to you and your family buddy 👍 The little ANI would fit the bill, 1.0 HPS for base, and 1.2 or 1.3 for clear. Also, take a look at the Kiwami 1 Iwatas and Meiji Finer Force guns, I'm not sure how much they would be in NZ but very good
@mreightytwenty8709 I've never used one, but people tell me they are good, I just can't get past the plastic gun syndrome, which is my problem, really.
Kiwami 1 Iwatas and Meiji Finer Force guns, Very expensive here in NZ. Iam thinking ANI s R 160 1mm for base and F160 1.2 for clears ? Your thoughts !! Cheers
Having been a painter for over 45 years after the introduction of I pattern and rp or hte I will never use hvlp or a centre weighted gun again just seems a backward move.
Hi Jason, I rather like a center weighted pattern. Certainly, HVLP is not my favorite, but for some, it is. I used to like your videos, very interesting watching, cheers mate, Happy Christmas 👍
I just got the prd 717.. i am amazed at the quality of machine work and how smooth it is.. especially at its price point. It feels nicer than the guns I used when I was painting back in the 80s and early 90s.. and those was considered top of the line at that time
Hi Bradley, I think the Porphis build and finish is at least equivalent to Devilbiss, Iwata, Sata, and the like. Then, when you consider the price, it's outstanding.
The performance is better than the looks, so they really are quite a find, I think I absolutely love mine. I was using the PRD717 and PRD627 this week, absolutely superb results for , cheers buddy 👍
HI MATE,THANKS FOR THE NEW VIDEO,GLAD TO SEE PORPHIS STILL ON TOP OF THEIR GAME,CHEERS MATE❤❤
Hi Lesli, They certainly are mate, I was using the Porphis PRD627 and PRD717 in the week, absolutely brilliant guns, they are different to each other which I also like, but very good, cheers mate 👍
Hi Pete, the A60 does look a nice gun and from what I can see and you were saying it's a lot better quality than the WLS-400 that you loaned to me not that the WLS is a bad gun it's not a gun I would pay the asking price for but I'm lucky enough to have tried it before I buy one😁as you mentioned the baffle and gasket on the A60 does look a better design than the ProLite so it should last really well, when I saw the pics of the gun it reminded me of the WS400 but when you compared it to the Finer Core it does look more like that which is a good thing👌
I like the idea of you showing the spray patter at 90 degrees as it shows you just how even it's spraying when the paint starts to flow and the A60 is spot on with a nice even pattern as is the PRD-627, very interesting video I'm looking forward to seeing this gun in action, cheers mate👌👍
Hi John, The Avalon certainly does look well made, the pattern seems quite big considering Avalon said it was smaller than the HTE version, so I'm not sure that's going to be any larger as this is about as big as you would want.
The sideways pattern is a good way of doing it but more difficult on a gravity gun, I don't like to rotate the cap as some baffles are directional, so I'm sure it will affect performance, maybe I'm over thinking it but I'm probably not.
Cheers mate 👍
Yeah it looks a nice gun time will tell if it's worth the price you paid for it mate but I have a feeling it will be a great gun, I was surprised when you said that the HTE will have a bigger fan pattern, unlike some things in life I don't think bigger is always better when it comes to the size of the fan pattern🤭I recon the HTE might be a good gun for basecoat if it's got a bigger fan😁
Until you mentioned it I never gave it a thought that the baffle on a gun is directional but thinking about it, it does make sense that on some guns it might not spray as well with the cap turned but you should be able to tell by the design of the gun behind the aircap or the baffle if it has one🤔what you need is one of those adaptors for a side cup gun fitted to a normal gun so the pot is upright when the gun is on it's side😁😆
I have some more clearcoat coming, it's a cheaper HS clear from ProXL, it's around £8-10 dearer than the Upol Maximum which is by far my best budget clear, I've bought a 1.5L kit to try I'm hoping it will be like the Upol🤷♂cheers Pete👍
@JohnWD40TC02 Yeah, I was expecting a smaller pattern, more like a Wider4, but it's 11 inches, which seems enough.
I like the idea of a side cup adapter 😀, cheers mate 👍
great video pete be interesting to see some demo's with this see how it performs👍👍👍 i hope you and your family have a great Christmas mate 👊👊👊👊👊👊
Hi Grant, Thank you, mate, and seasons greetings to you and family, have a good, safe holidays, and let's hope for a mild winter 😀
Pete, a couple of points: 1) The air nipple on the end of that adapter was not an American style nipple, it is in fact a Japanese style nipple. In America we have three native types of air couplings. First and most prevalent is the Milton Industrial, Second the True-Flate Automotive and Third the Lincoln. Luckily we are quickly adapting to the high flow European style which we call the Milton V.
2) This Avalon gun with its U slots, or whatever they call them is doomed to fail just like the 1st gun to ever used pre-atomization the Walcom GEO. The GEO failed because the tiny holes which they drilled around the perimeter of the nozzle were impossible to keep clean and I see this being the same problem the Avalon will have with its tiny slots as well. The beauty of the Iwata design is that they made the nozzle in a manner than cleaning it isn’t a problem and Porphis effectively copied this design. Also, the price of the Avalon is $600 in America which is nearly twice what I can buy either a Porphis or Meiji gun for and it’s clearly not worth that.
Hi Sataman, Thanks for the clarification on the air quick couple adapter, I wasn't aware you had so many to choose from.
I know Walcom uses more of a smaller U grove, although I didn't know their holes were smaller, but I have never seen one in the flesh, so I am only going on photos and the like.
I didn't know the Avalon was so much in the US, I paid much less than 600 USD for it on a Black Friday deal.
The build quality does look very good, so I'll see how I get along with it,
I thought the gun , in my mind, the Avalon would be up against was the Porphis 627, I know that likes around 29psi and I understand the Avalon is the same, whereas the PRD717 seems to be happy at much lower pressures and anywhere in between up to 29psi.
Cheers, buddy, happy Christmas 👍
Sepertinya senjata yg bagus avalon. A60 ada 3 varian. Hte. Ump. Hvlp.
Hi Mate, Yes, I was saying in the video that there are 3 variations of this gun, this, UMP is supposed to be the fastest of them for application speed.
Cheers buddy 👍
Only you can review the prona rl90 pro
Hi Mate, I did order one in the Black Friday sales, but the seller refused to ship it as he said he was losing money.
It would now cost me 148 USD, including tax, so it's not worth it as you can get an Anest Iwata LPH50 for only a little more
@peteshobbies5383 lph50 is twice cost pro
@quyuc9334 That depends where you are. I guess I can get one from Japan for around 170 USD, only 20 USD, different from the Prona
@@peteshobbies5383Can you review the twdevilbliss, that gun quite cheap and beautiful bro
I got a pressure fed gun that have not used yet but i think the reason why there not so popular is clean up and if you got a long hose that has wide diameter say 3/8 25 ft long it is going to take a couple oz to prime it
Hi mate, Yes, normally, pressure feed is for larger projects or production jobs, as you say, it's a lot more work to prime and clean afterwards, so not worth it just for half a car or similar
That A60 looks to be an impressive gun, but it is a bit higher priced than what I figured it would be. The older version A50 was ridiculously priced. Avalon appears to be a decent Taiwanese company that could strive to be a bit more competitive
Hi Boss, Yes, the A50 was ridiculous. You may as well have got a WS400, which it was copying, of course.
This A60 does appear to be quite well made, well, very well made to be honest.
They are quite expensive, this is why I thought of the Porphis guns straight away, as they are good and cheaper, so the Avalon will have its work cut out to compete, cheers mate 👍
@peteshobbies5383 so far, I'm finding what I think is a spinoff of Avalaon to be more impressive. Quality Expert, I assume, is the brand name that produces the Dram and Berosslin. Both guns, while not perfect, have impressed in their abilities at cost. I've used the Berosslin with Upol 2802 for an initial clear application and flow coat with better than expected results. You'd think Avalon would compete with that level and price if they're the original manufacturer... big if as that is an assumption.
@bosshawg7427 I'm assuming they are thinking the Avalon name is worth paying the money for.
I will see if that's an assumption worth making
Are you getting the HTE version(purple cap), mate? Which one do you prefer more, the Porphis or this?
Hi Ben, I will get the Avalon A60 HTE version, I have literally just got the Avalon A60 UMP so have no idea how good or bad it is, but it's going to have to go some to beat that Porphis, cheers mate 👍
Good video mate Merry Xmas to you and family. As you know Iam teaching smart repairs next year and putting a new system together. The turbine system is great but at over $7000 NZ and is to expensive now. Can you suggest 2 suns base coat, clears, with different caps and needle sizes. Iam looking at at the ANI R160 ? what your thoughts? The DV1 here are over $1000 NZ so out of the question. I want to spent about $500 pounds for 2 guns....You may come up with another suggestion Pete. Cheers
3M Performance Spray Gun. Pete what about this gun for what i do..?
Hi mate, Yes, seasons greetings to you and your family buddy 👍
The little ANI would fit the bill, 1.0 HPS for base, and 1.2 or 1.3 for clear.
Also, take a look at the Kiwami 1 Iwatas and Meiji Finer Force guns, I'm not sure how much they would be in NZ but very good
@mreightytwenty8709 I've never used one, but people tell me they are good, I just can't get past the plastic gun syndrome, which is my problem, really.
Kiwami 1 Iwatas and Meiji Finer Force guns, Very expensive here in NZ. Iam thinking ANI s R 160 1mm for base and F160 1.2 for clears ? Your thoughts !! Cheers
@mreightytwenty8709 Yeah, sounds OK. They need a fair bit of pressure for good results, but they should do what you want
Having been a painter for over 45 years after the introduction of I pattern and rp or hte I will never use hvlp or a centre weighted gun again just seems a backward move.
Hi Jason, I rather like a center weighted pattern. Certainly, HVLP is not my favorite, but for some, it is.
I used to like your videos, very interesting watching, cheers mate, Happy Christmas 👍