My thought exactly! I do care about correct grammar and spelling. But being attacked for so-called mistakes, such as split infinitives has always felt wrong. This guy speaks for all of us who have been the victims of grammar police.
I agree that you should never be rude when correcting someone. On the other hand, it is frustrating to see people getting worked up when they get called out on really obvious and simple grammar mistakes.
@@cherrymilk5590 The mistakes are not obvious to everyone. People don't use poor grammar on purpose. They do it because they don't know any better. If you stopped focusing on your irritation long enough to consider why people speak and write the way they do it would change your life. It's wrong to make people who have good ideas feel like they cannot participate because their grammer is not up to par.
@@d3thtr4p10math and human language are different. If all of mankind came together and decided to make a spelling reform for example, we can. Math on the other hand, 1+1 will always be 2 no matter we do
I am so tired of people going into a public chat situation and correcting people. I always feel like they have nothing worth saying on their own that can get attention so they use others comments to get attention. NO ONE is asking for spell check NO one wants this. We all have to deal with this all through school fair play but in comments section NO GO! As a former teacher ( out of practice from my own admitted grammar mistakes all the time ) and someone with ocd I have never had any desire to correct anyone in comments with grammar mistakes and get quite irritated when I see them doing it to someone else especially young children or people with obvious learning disabilities😰 Stop it people just stop it🤬 And dont use making out society be held at a better standard... lets start somewhere more serious like 🤔 “Bullying” and etc...
I so identify with you, Spyros. I, too, have a BA in Classics (UCLA 1988) and have no friends, lol. I do, actually. But I loved my major and it has helped me understand English so much more. I only correct my daughter and hubby. Correct Grammer does matter. I'm in medicine now, and using incorrect grammar can really mean a serious misinterpretation of one's intention. That can be lethal in some cases.
Now if you wanted to correct my sentence, it would be, "Many people are correcting the word, "their", to "they're", but in reality, in the way you read the sentence, "their", can actually be correct"
If you wanted to correct it even further. "Many people are correcting the word "their", to "they're". In reality, in the way you read the sentence. "Their", can actually be correct."
A large sum of persons are fixing an incorrect spelling of how the English language should be, of the word "their". Truth be told that a certain reading style in which you read the words in that order, it shall not be incorrect.
Art thou persons, fixing grammar. "Their" does not look pleasing to their eye. Perhaps, "they're" is a better choice... but perhaps as well, that in a certain reading aspect. One can see how "their" can be grammatically correct
The twist is that grammar nazis and the false belief in purity and eternality of langauge play important part in the development of language. And you can't get rid of grammar nazis.
I was intrigued by the title! I have to say that I was surprised by the content (I did Nazi that coming, indeed)! I often correct my friends' grammar, but having watched this, I think I will stop being so harsh on them. But a typo in a the title? That I cannot stand!
I guess that they had a typo in the title on purpose. It's too obvious to think that it was indeed a typo. That I found smart. Me on the other hand I don't think I will stop correcting other people, sorry!
it's not a typo :) it's an incomplete sentence, he even said it in the talk "They don't know their wrong, from their right" the title is just missing the second part to trigger people :D It's technically correct.
Correcting grammar in formal documents/ formal conversation is fine. But correcting in an informal conversation I will be really pissed. The problem I see with these people is that unfortunately they aren't given the chance to correct in a formal setup hence they think they have all the rights to correct people in informal conversation. People often forget in an informal conversation feelings of the topic of conversation is given higher importance over your vocabulary or grammar .... And they are the ones who get furious easily or get very very defensive when we are trying to indirectly taunt them of being a grammar police 🚨 ... I agree it's definitely some kind of OCD they have ...and it's very much seen only for English language as if knowing English is something sacred and we have to use it right without making any mistake in any situation. There are a lot more problems I have seen but these were my top pointers 😆
@@johannesstephanusroos4969Nope, that’s not what he said. The point is you should try to treat people the way they want to be treated, not the way you want to be treated. If you use yourself as the golden standard, then you’re just being a selfish bigot and other people are likely to treat you accordingly. So it’s fine to go around arguing with people or correcting their grammar in casual conversations if that’s what you so choose to do with your limited time, but good luck making friends or gaining support. 🤓
Honestly, I think in many cases it does stem from certain people’s OCD like thoughts and tendencies. 😅 I guess in that sense, there are people who will always cause problems and are hard-wired to do so🤔
I don’t mind honest mistakes (spelling errors for example), but I think all of us should try our best to learn the way to build a logically constructed sentence. Otherwise non-natives (like I/me) will have a harder time to learn a language. Fewer exceptions to rules = better. The thing that does trigger me the most is ”would of”. ”Of” have no logical place (afaik) in that expression. Imo ”of” does not contribute to a living language in this scenario, but rather unnecessarily increasing the difficulty of learning said language.
oh i know this one! a lot of native speakers mistakes while writing are basically things they've misheard and haven't ever been corrected on. the "would of" for example is a misinterpreted "would've" because of the schwa reduction that happens in fluent english speech (vowel sounds in unstressed syllables are all reduced to an "uh" sound - the schwa sound) and if you never realize that the phrase is supposed to be "would have" or "would've" you can easily keep misinterpreting it to be "would of" instead, which is a phrase that makes no sense. as for exceptions to rules, the rules are made to explain in a logical way the way that the language is used. the language comes before the rules do and not the other way around (unless it's a conlang i suppose) so there's really no control that specific people have over the rules because the rules shift to accommodate the new and different ways in which people are speaking the language. that's why every language has so many irregularities (see french and the thousands of irregular verbs it has, for example). rules get made when a new pattern emerges in the way the speakers of the language are using it so there's really nothing we can do about it because language will continue to evolve as long as we all continue to use it
@@ishathakor A long and satisfying response! Thank you! I do not agree with that last part though. Even though language is a living thing, we are definitely in control for most part. That’s why we have schools. Imo, ”would of” couldn’t have had such an exponential growth if not for mainly one of these factors… 1. Teachers don’t care about teaching 2. Kids don’t care about learning
Or, perhaps, you could learn the way we speak as well. It would be the same as coming over to your native country and requesting all of the people to change the way they speak to make it easier for me to learn it, which is a ridiculous request. As the saying goes, when in Rome, do as the romans do.
@@aPumpkn For your statement to stand on it’s own, is it really so that ALL english-native people use ”of” as a replacement for ”have”? Because if your claims are opposing reality, and I think they are, it would be the ”of-sayers” that’d have to change their opinion in the matter. Since ”could of” is considered sloppy writing in the english language, I dare say that those using ”of” instead of ”have” have a responsibility towards practically everybody else. To use your own words; you could learn the way your countrymen generally speaks (and writes) as well.
Counterpoint: I know I'm wrong (or at least, the outsider or exception) for expecting people to speak their mother tongue well. Some of us speak multiple languages, yet struggle to learn them, because native speakers are intellectually lazy. That's all
He is correct. I do that all the time, not to correct people, but to mess with them and undermine their arguments. I make my own grammar mistakes all the time. Now, will I stop this behaviour? *Old Captain America meme*
It's because Nazi has become synonymous with extremism (what with the whole attempted extermination of the Jews during the Holocaust)-- people take words from their original contexts and give new meanings to them for their own use.
Yeah, let's stop pretending that vandalizing language is okay. If used correctly, it's a beautiful thing. If not, well... basically the chat section of any Twitch stream.
“Whom” is the traditional object form of the pronoun, nowadays mostly extinct, except in formal situations - and among Grammar Nazis of course. But I have heard people using it wrong, as the subject rather than the object, because they don’t have it naturally in their language. That’s a so-called hyper-correction - you make a grammatical mistake because you’re trying too hard to NOT make any mistakes! It’s the height of irony. Another classic example of hyper-correction is “between you and I”; it’s hilarious.
How about some Filipinos mis-using "ed" and removing "s" when they don't have to? Like using "submitted" when they actually mean "please submit" and saying "McDonald" instead of "McDonald's" because they think adding that " 's" will make it plural? Do we call those correct just because plenty of people learned and used it incorrectly?
I did It made everyone salty I hated it more than anyone else did It’s ridiculous one person is getting a dopamine boost and thinks they’re being smart the other is like 😐 to 😑🫤🙄 after a while it feels bad man
My thought exactly! I do care about correct grammar and spelling. But being attacked for so-called mistakes, such as split infinitives has always felt wrong. This guy speaks for all of us who have been the victims of grammar police.
Not all of us are terrible.
I agree that you should never be rude when correcting someone. On the other hand, it is frustrating to see people getting worked up when they get called out on really obvious and simple grammar mistakes.
You forgot to put "the" before "grammar police"
LOL!!!!
@@cherrymilk5590 The mistakes are not obvious to everyone. People don't use poor grammar on purpose. They do it because they don't know any better. If you stopped focusing on your irritation long enough to consider why people speak and write the way they do it would change your life. It's wrong to make people who have good ideas feel like they cannot participate because their grammer is not up to par.
Correct my grammar, fine. I do not care, but correct my grammar in an informal conversation and I'll be pissed.
*if you *, and
Would you be pissed if someone corrected your math in an informal setting? Probably not, right? So why make spelling and grammar the exception?
@@d3thtr4p10math and human language are different. If all of mankind came together and decided to make a spelling reform for example, we can. Math on the other hand, 1+1 will always be 2 no matter we do
Well I did nazi that coming
Did jew?
Haha.
I see what you did there
Not see god damn it!
no just kidding. i hate grammar nazies. well nazies in general.
Please leave
Shanspeare brought me here. Good message.
Who?
@@RandomMan7491 look their channel up, they’ll probably have a topic that interests you (kind of like ted talks)
You'd think TED would have enough technology and experience by now to stop with the intros that are 5 times louder than the talks. Please...
I am so tired of people going into a public chat situation and correcting people. I always feel like they have nothing worth saying on their own that can get attention so they use others comments to get attention. NO ONE is asking for spell check NO one wants this. We all have to deal with this all through school fair play but in comments section NO GO! As a former teacher ( out of practice from my own admitted grammar mistakes all the time ) and someone with ocd I have never had any desire to correct anyone in comments with grammar mistakes and get quite irritated when I see them doing it to someone else especially young children or people with obvious learning disabilities😰 Stop it people just stop it🤬 And dont use making out society be held at a better standard... lets start somewhere more serious like 🤔 “Bullying” and etc...
Tiffany Oliver you did a run on sentence in your paragraph, I’ll let you find where
SwayDragon has left the party Are you sure it was just one??? Run on sentences have always been my worst grammar issue!!! Always !!
I so identify with you, Spyros. I, too, have a BA in Classics (UCLA 1988) and have no friends, lol. I do, actually. But I loved my major and it has helped me understand English so much more. I only correct my daughter and hubby. Correct Grammer does matter. I'm in medicine now, and using incorrect grammar can really mean a serious misinterpretation of one's intention. That can be lethal in some cases.
Who's Ted?
Idk, he talks too much.
Honnestly !!!!!!!!!!
Some guy who talks a lot.
some bloke
Many people are correcting the word, "their" to "they're", but in reality in the way you read the sentence, "their" can actually be correct.
Now if you wanted to correct my sentence, it would be, "Many people are correcting the word, "their", to "they're", but in reality, in the way you read the sentence, "their", can actually be correct"
If you wanted to correct it even further. "Many people are correcting the word "their", to "they're". In reality, in the way you read the sentence. "Their", can actually be correct."
A large sum of persons are fixing an incorrect spelling of how the English language should be, of the word "their". Truth be told that a certain reading style in which you read the words in that order, it shall not be incorrect.
Art thou persons, fixing grammar. "Their" does not look pleasing to their eye. Perhaps, "they're" is a better choice... but perhaps as well, that in a certain reading aspect. One can see how "their" can be grammatically correct
PeOpLe Be FiXiNg ThE wOrD tHeIr BuT iF yOu ReAd It A cErTaIn WaY iTs RiGhT
Correcting grammatical errors on social media is like passing out speeding tickets at the Indianapolis 500.
The twist is that grammar nazis and the false belief in purity and eternality of langauge play important part in the development of language. And you can't get rid of grammar nazis.
As soon as you say anything about grammar as a linguist, people will immediately misunderstand everything.
Most the people in the comments couldn't actually talk and hold a real conversation in depth to begin with.
most of the time if you do that you're losing an argument
Why would anyone ask for another to correct their grammar if they don't know there is a problem with it?
I was intrigued by the title!
I have to say that I was surprised by the content (I did Nazi that coming, indeed)! I often correct my friends' grammar, but having watched this, I think I will stop being so harsh on them.
But a typo in a the title? That I cannot stand!
I guess that they had a typo in the title on purpose. It's too obvious to think that it was indeed a typo.
That I found smart. Me on the other hand I don't think I will stop correcting other people, sorry!
Duh, it's obvious that the title is spelled like that on purpose! I'm not dumb! Be that as it may, I still cannot stand it in a title!
Dude, you did say "But a TYPO in a the title?".
You did call it a typo. Don't come claiming that you didn't!
whatever dude
it's not a typo :) it's an incomplete sentence, he even said it in the talk "They don't know their wrong, from their right" the title is just missing the second part to trigger people :D It's technically correct.
Personally I think we should replace Latin with Quenya as the model for modern grammar…
Correcting grammar in formal documents/ formal conversation is fine. But correcting in an informal conversation I will be really pissed. The problem I see with these people is that unfortunately they aren't given the chance to correct in a formal setup hence they think they have all the rights to correct people in informal conversation. People often forget in an informal conversation feelings of the topic of conversation is given higher importance over your vocabulary or grammar .... And they are the ones who get furious easily or get very very defensive when we are trying to indirectly taunt them of being a grammar police 🚨 ...
I agree it's definitely some kind of OCD they have ...and it's very much seen only for English language as if knowing English is something sacred and we have to use it right without making any mistake in any situation.
There are a lot more problems I have seen but these were my top pointers 😆
My question is this: Why is being corrected so aggravating to you? Are you more important than me, should I hold you to a lesser standard?
@@johannesstephanusroos4969Nope, that’s not what he said. The point is you should try to treat people the way they want to be treated, not the way you want to be treated. If you use yourself as the golden standard, then you’re just being a selfish bigot and other people are likely to treat you accordingly. So it’s fine to go around arguing with people or correcting their grammar in casual conversations if that’s what you so choose to do with your limited time, but good luck making friends or gaining support. 🤓
Honestly, I think in many cases it does stem from certain people’s OCD like thoughts and tendencies. 😅 I guess in that sense, there are people who will always cause problems and are hard-wired to do so🤔
@@popcorn219hardwired*
@@johannesstephanusroos4969 well, usually your corrections are wrong, so that’s one thing…
I don’t mind honest mistakes (spelling errors for example), but I think all of us should try our best to learn the way to build a logically constructed sentence. Otherwise non-natives (like I/me) will have a harder time to learn a language. Fewer exceptions to rules = better.
The thing that does trigger me the most is ”would of”. ”Of” have no logical place (afaik) in that expression.
Imo ”of” does not contribute to a living language in this scenario, but rather unnecessarily increasing the difficulty of learning said language.
oh i know this one! a lot of native speakers mistakes while writing are basically things they've misheard and haven't ever been corrected on. the "would of" for example is a misinterpreted "would've" because of the schwa reduction that happens in fluent english speech (vowel sounds in unstressed syllables are all reduced to an "uh" sound - the schwa sound) and if you never realize that the phrase is supposed to be "would have" or "would've" you can easily keep misinterpreting it to be "would of" instead, which is a phrase that makes no sense.
as for exceptions to rules, the rules are made to explain in a logical way the way that the language is used. the language comes before the rules do and not the other way around (unless it's a conlang i suppose) so there's really no control that specific people have over the rules because the rules shift to accommodate the new and different ways in which people are speaking the language. that's why every language has so many irregularities (see french and the thousands of irregular verbs it has, for example). rules get made when a new pattern emerges in the way the speakers of the language are using it so there's really nothing we can do about it because language will continue to evolve as long as we all continue to use it
@@ishathakor A long and satisfying response! Thank you!
I do not agree with that last part though.
Even though language is a living thing, we are definitely in control for most part. That’s why we have schools.
Imo, ”would of” couldn’t have had such an exponential growth if not for mainly one of these factors…
1. Teachers don’t care about teaching
2. Kids don’t care about learning
You are a sad believer in gawd's book of the dictionary according to Webster.
Or, perhaps, you could learn the way we speak as well. It would be the same as coming over to your native country and requesting all of the people to change the way they speak to make it easier for me to learn it, which is a ridiculous request. As the saying goes, when in Rome, do as the romans do.
@@aPumpkn For your statement to stand on it’s own, is it really so that ALL english-native people use ”of” as a replacement for ”have”? Because if your claims are opposing reality, and I think they are, it would be the ”of-sayers” that’d have to change their opinion in the matter.
Since ”could of” is considered sloppy writing in the english language, I dare say that those using ”of” instead of ”have” have a responsibility towards practically everybody else.
To use your own words; you could learn the way your countrymen generally speaks (and writes) as well.
Counterpoint: I know I'm wrong (or at least, the outsider or exception) for expecting people to speak their mother tongue well. Some of us speak multiple languages, yet struggle to learn them, because native speakers are intellectually lazy. That's all
I don’t think you really paid any attention to the lecture. The point is that many of these so-called “mistakes” are not mistakes at all.
@ludviglidstrom6924 You think incorrectly, read my comment with comprehension
Last quote , perfect
Dont they gonna make you watch big hero 6?
Don't*
@@sdnotessanthosh1535 *You're
He is correct.
I do that all the time, not to correct people, but to mess with them and undermine their arguments.
I make my own grammar mistakes all the time.
Now, will I stop this behaviour?
*Old Captain America meme*
I needed this before I became so insecure.
I will say changing the definition of racism wasn't natural. that was forced we all know it.
That has nothing to do with grammar. That’s semantics.
They're
It’s their not they’re
r/wooosh
thair
Kou know that Nazi means national socialist? And now one has to explain to me how that has something to do with language?!
It's because Nazi has become synonymous with extremism (what with the whole attempted extermination of the Jews during the Holocaust)-- people take words from their original contexts and give new meanings to them for their own use.
Punctuation marks aren´t herd animals, you uncivilized barbarian. Seriously, "?!" ?
@@itsrosandor it’s also a self identification, people are proud to call themselves it, they even made a flag for the community
This has to be the dumbest comment in history.
@@healgoth That’s hilarious!
Grammar Nazi's can be prejudiced against the people with disabilities too! I have autism, and I always get extremely hurt by those stuck ups.
Cry some more.
You don’t think many of the Grammar Nazis are autistic as well?😂 I think so!
All he gotta worry about is being called "Spyro".
they're *
Someone Really Weird, OMG, finally someone who understands the importance of correct grammar.
@@biancagabor1255 Omg,I found 2 grammar Nazis!
r/wooosh
I'm extremely pedantic about grammar. Bad grammar makes me cringe. How do people not understand the basic fundamentals of their own language?
Yeah, let's stop pretending that vandalizing language is okay. If used correctly, it's a beautiful thing. If not, well... basically the chat section of any Twitch stream.
I don’t think you have any clue about the basic fundamentals of your language. Most grammar pedants don’t.
Come to think about it i never use the word whom ever. Who seems fine
You are awesome.
“Whom” is the traditional object form of the pronoun, nowadays mostly extinct, except in formal situations - and among Grammar Nazis of course. But I have heard people using it wrong, as the subject rather than the object, because they don’t have it naturally in their language. That’s a so-called hyper-correction - you make a grammatical mistake because you’re trying too hard to NOT make any mistakes! It’s the height of irony. Another classic example of hyper-correction is “between you and I”; it’s hilarious.
Nice double negative in the title
There’s no double negative in the title at all.
You know what! Let ME talk about grammar nazis, they correct your spelling just out of pure spite.
They're*
r/wooosh
AAAAAA it's there and their they're
I think this z joke
How about some Filipinos mis-using "ed" and removing "s" when they don't have to? Like using "submitted" when they actually mean "please submit" and saying "McDonald" instead of "McDonald's" because they think adding that " 's" will make it plural? Do we call those correct just because plenty of people learned and used it incorrectly?
as he said, when you hear a mistake your brain reacts. He didn't say that there aren't mistakes at all
They’re not native speakers of English.
ive never been this early
Singularity *I've
Pie Minx Lol, dum azz
Go post something on Reddit and wait a minute lol
triggered.
Why, because you need rules to be secure?
q
*they're*
It's ''trey're'', not ''treir''. STOP destroying your language. I get it that you tried to be funny, but it is not.
Bianca Gabor I get you’re trying to be funny,but it’s not.
Oof
"trey" "treir" am I missing a joke here? Please make it clear lol
r/woosh
Wow you must be fun at parties
I disliked because of the title.
What a weirdo
No
Why? because you pray to Websters?
The wrong wording is insulting sometimes, so it’s confusing sometimes 😂
I did
It made everyone salty
I hated it more than anyone else did
It’s ridiculous one person is getting a dopamine boost and thinks they’re being smart the other is like 😐 to 😑🫤🙄 after a while it feels bad man
they're*
They're*
They're*