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Does Hick Hop Have A Right To Exist?
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- Опубліковано 1 вер 2017
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With the current unrest in our country surrounding the Confederate flag and monuments to the Confederacy, it is the perfect time to establish where we - as the hip hop community - stand on this issue. We are hip hop, a culture created in the ghettos of NYC by people of color, most of them descendants of former slaves. While we all might feel similarly when it comes to these representations of the Confederacy, our brothers and sisters who represent the Hick Hop sector of our community may disagree. Are they a part of our community? Hip Hop is all about free speech and expression, right? Or nah? Does Hick Hop have a right to exist? Let’s break it down…
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It has a right to exist and I got the right to not listen to it
perfectly put
Robert Spann 👏👏
Robert Spann much love and respect. Thank you
Robert Spann Facts
Facts
Hick hop? The fuck is that bro
Callum the creator L
Just E please log off the internet
Country rap
Callum the creator watch the full video
Callum the creator facts i disliked just because of that dumb ass title
I like this guy very professional and even admits to some slight impartiality. Thank you for the transparency
Manuel silva Murs is awesome and super talented as wel.
Are you kidding me the guy is clearly a racist and don't know half the shit hes talking about
@@mikecohan6184 yeah if you don't mind a racist which he clearly is
Brooo!! Murs is a Living Legend!! Literally!!
You mean partiality
From the opinions of a black dude who grew up in cities of the east coast, homeboys Jelly Roll and Struggle got some serious soul and heart in there music 💪🏽
I agree 100%
I think people like jelly roll and struggle fit perfectly into hip-hop but they don't claim hick hop yfm a lot of these country rappers are cringe and need to get out of our music and yes I'm white but I include myself because I'm from the inner city and I was brought up in the culture just like em was
Ye, no they don't. Don't encourage this foolishness
It has a right to exist. But we dont have to like it.
Matthew Clarke dude your confused
Krono4276 Ford you're
Krono4276 Ford how?
Krono4276 Ford ?
I agree with this because its now in the arena for emcees to go at them and challenge their ideas
As a southern kid from NC, that grew up listening to 2pac, Snoop, and N.W.A, I have to say that Hip Hop did wonders changing the hearts and minds of white kids. There is a whole generation that broke the cycle of prejudice that would have been inherited from their parents if it wasn't for Rap/hip-hop music.
“Modern country isn’t country music, it’s hip hop for people who are scared of black people” - wheeler walker jr.
Yup... I just read that article
@@Conspiracy515 what article is it from?
Lmao that’s kinda true
@@bd7653 Not even a little bit true... it's an ignorant statement from someone who has no idea of the origin of the current trend.
@@Mr_Weather860 I live on a farm.
"Just the Good ol' Boys, Never meanin', no harm" - theme to Dukes Of Hazard
Been in trouble with the law since the day they were born doesn't the two statement undermined each other lol
@@lewisgriffin9684 you can be in trouble with the law and still mean no harm
You could just say Waylon Jennings man
lil wyte did a song that start off with that n he with three 6 mafia n hcp n jellyroll
"yee-yee" sound like some country ass migos lmfao
Jonny Mimms-Schmid the worst kind smh
Jonny Mimms-Schmid lol
They actually stole that from the Bay Area.....People out there been saying "yee yee" for years
Migos is already country. AF
@@GrinchyGreen334 or Ice Cube, and W.C. Saying yayayee?
More people have just been introduced to hick hop because of this video
Tanaka I have 😂 it's shit tho, nothing to do with the flag they rep it's just shit
Tanaka thad be me
Tanaka I find em funny as shit
You're right now we all know it sucks ass
I ain't paying attention to that shit because of this video.
Does it have a right to exist? Sure.
Is it bad? Yes.
No its nowhere near bad. Explain to me how it is.
@@justinedmiston4420 who said its racist?
@@valiid3857 raceist?
hick hop isnt racist.
you are, for thinking it is
Most of the artists he showed in the video are trash... Upchurch Adam Calhoun KelSoh Struggle AndYelawolf can actually rap
When I came across this, having never seen your channel before, I was expecting it to just be indiscriminate bashing of the whole genre. I was very pleasantly surprised to hear a thorough breakdown that acknowledges the good along with the bad, and I thank you. I especially appreciate that you talked about artists who used to embrace the confederate flag but have since changed their stance and apologized. Fantastic video, beautiful background behind you, and I'm excited to see what else you've done.
Wow you actually watch the video instead of assuming what the video was about and then just leaving a comment based on your assumption
You must not know of Murs, you need to do your research on this man, he’s anything but ignorant and misinformed.
It has a right. Just don't listen to it.
FD Jackson exactly
Chad Hansen All people have to do is ignore what offends them. Especially something that isn't even a big deal.
FD Jackson if it was hate speech or something I could understand this guy but it isn't
Horton Family god you are sooooooooooo fucking dumb...... does it come easy to you.... or are you actually trying and putting effort into being this stupid?!?.... honest question.....
Fuego DiBiase what he said was kinda true. There is a lot of ignorance in the black community. They hate whites just because we're white now. Blacks see trump in office and assume that all white people voted for him. They see one video and they think all blacks are being beaten on site by cops. No. This is not how the world works. He doesn't get an opinion on whether or not someone can make art. Not you. Not me. Not this idiot. He is part of the problem with the small amount of racism that we do have in America. He's CONTRIBUTING to the negative instead of talking about positives. Just like all of the mainstream media. He's begging for attention. Just like the alt left. Just like the alt right. #letskeepitpositive
All music has the right to exist. Even music we dislike. That's is part of hip hop love.
Beandan Parker Hick hop is not apart of hip hop, and has no reason to even be associated to the greatness of it.
Next gen wiggers
Tu Cool you could say the same shit for Christian Rock lmao
Story Teller yeah I can't really argue with that, as someone who's not from the US I never understood why the flag was so abhorrent until now
I agree with it has the right to exist, but disagree completely on it's apart of hip hop. It takes from it yes, but these are 2 completely different people groups. Literally opposites
All forms of art have a right to exist
That sh aint art
@@solitario7713 Congratulations on your ignorance
@@dougsmith1005 im ignorant cause in my opinion white boys rocking confederate flags and rapping is garbage?
@@dougsmith1005 confederate flag=racist simbol white rappers=culture vultures
emanuel rodriguez all music is art
Excellent insight and analysis brother! As a white man from south Mississippi I too once opposed changing our former state flag, though I’ve never been one to personally fly it or wear the symbol on clothing. I consider myself a traditionalist and viewed the flag as a symbol of the south. In HS I grew up listening to southern rap, including Ludicris, Outkast, Lil Jon & Eastside Boyz, Triple 6 Mafia, and Pastor Troy. All of these artists at one time repped the Confederate flag in late 90’s early 2000’s.
My views on the symbol has evolved greatly over the past 5 years as I’ve done due diligence in researching my states history. All of the cases of police brutality against young black men and women also played into this evolution. The one thing that pushed me away from the symbol for good and revealed to me it’s true meaning came when rapper Killer Mike referenced VP of CSA Alexander Stephen’s “Cornerstone Speech.” If you aren’t familiar, I highly recommend reading it, though I warn you it’s hard to stomach. When the time came to vote for our new state flag in 20’ I cast my vote for the new flag along with 74% of MS voters that day.
Do a breakdown on grime
seanshure maaaan I'm a huge fan. But I was into it around '04 or 05 I'd have to brush up before I spoke on it. But it's a great idea
thumb this up jheeze
Tbh american don't know grime like that. They would just fuck it up. Best they don't tbh lol
Murs Carter I was into it from '10-'14 because the "FIFA" games used it sparingly.
Great idea. Grime doesn't get enough love! Wiley, Dizzee, JME, Devlin could cypher with American MCs and be neck and necl
They sound like parody songs
They are.
More pastiche than parody, but I agree.
Give me an example because i dont hear some weird al or anything. I hear people rapping about whats in their life no different then say Eminem or Dr. Dre. just food for thought.
@@Cyberman2106Beemer apart from the Confederate flag, my biggest issue ( however this is the first time I have heard any of these guy's) with these rappers is 90 % of the song's just shown they a trying very hard to sound like and flow like Eminem, and that's some bullshit right there.
Depends on the artist
This is a natural progression. Since the birth of Hip Hop, the whole country, and the rest of the world for that matter, like it, love, and can't get enough of it! I've been all over the country. Any, and every stop light in America, someone will pull up bumpin'. From the middle of nowhere, and of course every major city! This is just a natural progression. Everyone wants to put their stamp. Reggaeton, Hick Hop, Gangster Rap, so on, and so on...infinity....
There's music for everyone, MURS is a real dope dude, PEACE.
I don't understand why a lot of southerners try to live in the past and keep waving the losing flag of a war that ended 150 years ago.
J Philosopher m
J Philosopher then why do most black people live in the past and cry racism everytime something don't go their way
Klayton Saunders Truth
Klayton Saunders racism still exist you idiot 😂
because we didnt become equal after slavery ended. what part of this do white people fundamentally not understand?
America is the only place I've ever heard of that pays tribute to the LOSING side of a civil war
Chris Harding the us didn't put up the statues it was the south to honor those who died or something
And?
Chris Harding Spain, places like Basque Country
In Russia most people pay tribute to the losing side.
No they don't, maybe on the far-right but not the general public
wow mumble rap actually found a worthy competitor
Shut yo goofy ass up
FACTS!
@@catboy8137 My ass aint open. Thats your lifestyle
Lol.
Well at least you can understand them and they don’t look like a bag of candy
Alright, let me say something. Yes I’m from up north. And no I am not going to bring my race into this. I know what everybody will say. But to those who want to listen, hear me out. This is from a completely unbiased point of view. The “n” word was created as a hate symbol, and a word that was used to belittle and segregate African Americans. If you haven’t realized, the “n” word is used freely in almost every rap song you hear. It was intended to have a negative meaning, but has now been turned into the positive meaning that many people use today. Yes it exists, and no, people don’t have to like it. Now, the confederate flag was created as a controversial symbol as stated in the video. Believe it or not, it wasn’t actually used as a flag directed towards race. It was a war flag that was used to represent their half of the country. This is very similar to how the North were called the Yankees. It was just a way of grouping the two sides. So, just as African American culture is loved greatly and deeply by African Americans, southern culture is loved greatly by southerners. The way the confederate flag is being symbolized now refers to the love of being southern. It is the love and pride of being born and raised in the south. It’s not used as a flag towards racism or hatred, at least not for the majority. Yes it has every right to exist. No, you don’t have to like it. (I’m not trying to compare the “n” word and the confederate flag, I’m just simply saying that parts of history change over time, and are viewed differently. Please understand that I’m not here to start an argument, rather state my opinion as an American with the freedom of speech.
Very well said, and completely agree
Good point. Very well stated.
I don't think public perception has changed that much on the Confederate flag when most of the time when people see it they (including me) see it as racist. Nobody really changed the meaning at all and its just as racist as it was before. Also how is it "celebrating our heritage" when that
"heritage" only lasted 4 years? Also isn't there a better way of showing pride in your state than celebrating a flag that represents SLAVERY???
@Gina Thompson what part?
It does have a right to exist. You can't just take away someone's right to make music because it has a different political view.
The "confederate flag" shown isn't the confederate flag at all, its the flag of the Virginian army. The actual confederate flag looks more like the Texan flag.
+Complex Ez You deserve the top comment, man. Also, everyone is mad at the hicks, yet have no problem wit' niggaz wearin' lip gloss, skirts/dresses while rappin' about bein' a gangsta/killa. Smfh. 😂😂😂😂
No it doesn't look like the Texas flag. It's nearly Identical to the Current Georgia State flag.
Daniel Visin that's used as the confederate flag u dumbass
nesenda That's not the Navy Jack. The Navy Jack is red and white with a snake on it that says don't tread on me. The confederate navy Jack was blue with stars in a circle. The flag you are referring to is the stainless cross which is the battle flag in the corner of a white flag. Like I've been saying over and over read the history
Actually its a take on the alabama flag being that the confederate flag was created in Montgomery.
This is my favorite channel. I love that you try to stay objective
Murs. Have loved your music for years, and now I’m discovering your videos. I love it! Keep making the work, and as far as the topic: history or not, that flag stands against the American flag. It did to begin with and it still does. It’s the rebel yell for a reason, right?
Nicholas Catron so I cant be a confederate and American at the same time...
A lot of these comments scream "I didn't watch the whole thing, but I'm already angry."
YA BOY G ha good one
YA BOY G
I think it’s funny how this is even a video.
Ehhhhh want “racism” to end? Stop TALKING ABOUT IT.
That even includes music. Wow. Amazing.
because there really is no question to be answered
YA BOY G so I watched the whole video. It's a mixed bag. No one can stop them from using rap to express there point of view. There isn't enough material to judge what how these artist feel about race relations or how they feel about Blacks who created HIp-Hop. It seems from this video that there is a disconnect from the hick-hop rappers and it's roots. They have a right to wrap just like people have a right to like or not like their raps
Mel Jackson Exactly
As a white “hick” from the south I think you did a good job of staying impartial on a very touchy subject. And fwiw I think most hick hop is garbage not because of the flags they wear but because the content just doesn’t hold up to the artists they want to emulate
Love your stuff! I'm a 'white boy' but I respect the rap culture and love how you break down the history with purity . Also the OG cartoons in the back are dope 💚!
so its apparent from the comments that a lot of people didn’t actually watch the video.
by which comments specifically you're passive aggressive comment doesnt accomplish anything either
Hick any kind of music has a right to exist but it's really hypocritical. If you want to be racist and think minorities are beneath you you should make your own genre and follow that.
That's what they did, that's hick hop
Name a form of popular music in the last century that wasn't invented by the people they think they're so much better than. A subgenre is not an invention. It's just a remix of something that already existed.
Aaron J.S. Pixelbeard
Ok, that remix is called hick hop
Hector Grijalva you're missing the point hard hahahah.
TehClide you're on the Internet stop appropriating the internet white people made that why dont black people make their own internet..... do you see how stupid that sounds
Just a few things Murs,
I respect you as an artist, I grew up having been influenced by your craft of staying true to authentic music, so thank you for your contributions to Hip-Hop music....
The concept of Country Rap or Hick Hop shouldn't be foreign to you. Hip Hop and Country have already been deeply rooted from the same musical and cultural origins long before now. So with all due respect, since 200-400+ years of this fusion of influences has already existed in song format here in the USA, it's far from a new phenomenon of any sort. For example, the Banjo, which is a key component of both old and new Country music, is also a key component of American Delta Blues, Jazz Blues and most relevant to this discussion, Country Blues...and it is a West African instrument (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjo). If you look up "Mississippi Fred McDowell" born 1906, you'll find he is an early American example of the fusion between elements of Country and Rap, ie, "Hill Country Blues" - which he is listed to have pioneered via Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Fred_McDowell). A good example of the instrumentation I'm referencing is one of my favorite songs of his called, "Fred's Worried Blues", (ua-cam.com/video/VwfHuY5QnqY/v-deo.html), which a Country and Rhythm Blues song, and is in my opinion one of the earliest forms of the origin of "Country Rap" in America. So the fact that people of today's generations are using similar instrumentation but applying it to current subject matter is not surprising.
Furthermore, not all Country Rap exploits the confederate flag. There are plenty of musical artists who use this form of music as expression without mention of the rebel flag or confederacy, so it's unfair to judge the entire genre as one belief or principle, with regard to the flag of topic. It has great variation, like any other genre of music. With Hip-Hop, I'm a fan of all types, but could you understand how it may not be fair to compare Rakim - "Don't Sweat The Technique" (ua-cam.com/video/6Y1Emb7Jyks/v-deo.html) to Lanze - "Bring Me That Shit" (ua-cam.com/video/-Jt2EllnUxY/v-deo.html) ? So you can't compare every artist from "Hick Hop" or whatever we call it in the same fashion.
You mention Bubba Sparxxx as having caused the explosion of Country Rap in the contemporary sense, which is completely accurate, but you failed to mention enough about Nelly and the St. Lunatics or Nappy Roots, who were popular around the same exact time as Bubba's debut. If you talk about music, it's important not to segregate the artists, this doesn't complete a well-rounded discussion.
Also, every form of music has the right to exist, even if you don't like it. Nobody is forcing you to listen to anything you don't like, but to say it doesn't deserve the right to exist, is unfair. Many people would have argued that your music, Murs, shouldn't have the right to exist, but we know that's unfair so you should conduct rhetoric with this in perspective.
No genre of music belongs to anyone. Neither does an idea for that matter. We all know who pioneered Hip-Hop music and that will forever be acknowledged, but once been pioneered and shared with the world, it's for the world to build on, consume and be a part of. McDonald's can't sue Burger King, Wendy's, Hardee's and Arby's because they sell burgers and fries with soda. We all know McDonald's was the pioneer, but there is no patent or trademark on those types of concepts like "Hip-Hop" music, only intellectual property...if you disagree, then perhaps you would be okay with paying creative dues and royalties to Grandmaster Flash, The Furious 5, Sugar Hill Gang, Kool Herc, Marley Marl, Afrika Bambaataa and Kurtis Blow every time you rap a verse. Or perhaps you don't think that Kung Fu should be allowed to be mastered by Americans, as it was pioneered and created in Asia.
I have a great deal of respect for you and your craft, but with all of that due respect, I think this video could have been a lot more in depth and insightful. I don't condone hate speech, or racism or symbols of racism. The country can debate for eternity whether the confederate flag is a symbol of hate but honestly, I am not here to tell anyone what it represents because I didn't live in the times of the Civil War so I don't feel I have the authority to speak on it...but what I can tell you however, is that there is no statue or flag out right now that's going to stop me from getting what I want in this world, so I encourage the same determination by you and others. Thank you for sparking a healthy discussion and I hope the result of all of the dialogue from this video insights positive progress and understanding, not hate and division. Unity is the key, so let's all try to understand each other no matter what color or background you are.
J Rosevelt well said my dude.
Pi Napple Guy this guy presented an incredible and thought out argument to this subject, stfu
J Rosevelt what a great comment - thank you for drawing on music's rich history. much appreciated!
J Rosevelt I don't even feel like reading all that, I could be doing my english homework instead.
Yeah I'm not reading all this shit.
Yelawolf is the best person to talk about with this subject. Yela has been rocking the flag for years, his homies fly the flag, but he saw that people were still radicalised so he dropped it.
Yela is one of the proudest people going but even he saw the problem with flying the flag. Don't get me wrong I don't have a problem with the flag, but other people see it as something more than southern pride, souther supremacy, and that ain't right.
Porg Views But that’s some weak shit because revolutions don’t happen if people just give up because the other side doesn’t like it. They need to just get over it. The American flag flew over wars and removal of the Indians, Jim Crow and segregation and they got over it, well they can get over the rebel flag too because the people changed. If they can’t get over it than tough shit.
Yelawolf didn't drop the flag the piece of shit he spoke on was Dillon Ruth not the rebel flag nice job twisting someone's word to mean eat u want them to mean
the flag represents the southern states that fought against the north against the institution of Slavery
@@jacobbrewington6386 He dropped the flag and anti all lives matter, hes pro black lives matter and doesnt use the flag anymore and apologized in a song for using it in the past, its literally plain as day in the video... wow
@@waltnoble1051 "Still Dixie Mafia bitch, still wavin' that flag, I'm
New South in everything I drop, whether I sing or rap" - Yelawolf "Bloody Sunday freestyle"
i personally believe that ALL music, from all walks of life, provides us as people an oppurtunity to understand eachother via an artform we all appreciate, be it Hip-Hop, Gangsta Rap, Soul, R&B.
We all need to stop the hate and take the time to talk about it
@Fly Truth Absoloutley!, you are absoloutley within your right to not like something same as you are within your right to like something
1st Amendment.
Good or bad, it has a right to exist.
It's good
1st Amendment means you can also publicly disagree with it and call shitty ideas out for being shitty. If your only defense is "my opinions aren't illegal", your opinions are shit.
Sean McKeon ikr, love it how people who go "mah fust mendmit!" ALWAYS forget that the 1st amendment can also be used to call them out for thair neo-nazi bullshit
I didn't even know this was a thing until now.
Rebecca Johnson Same
It is actually really good
The civil war was only partially about slavery. People should really read the history without the propagandized modern narrative. Yeah many of those statues were of racist people but look at who they had to look up to. The civil war was as much about taxation and land rights for a group of people who the north considered poor and stupid and should not have the same rights as the rich people from the north. Those statues were of brilliant dedicated leaders and despite holding on to the wrong conclusions fought and sacrificed everything for what they believed in a very American way. They should be remembered not just for being wrong. We as a people should be teaching the truth about our history instead of teaching the most popular media tidbits. Both the modern “rebels” and the civil rights activists have ignored major facts of the civil war
Yes, Hick Hop has a right to exist. As a white guy who was schooled by my elders to love everyone no matter their skin color, I love all types of music, Hip Hop, Hick Hop, Heavy Metal, Funk, R and B, and many other types of music made by people of many different colors. What I don't love is these fools who say we need the Stars and Bars, and the statues of Confederate Army generals to remember our roots, I say no we don't need those anymore. Although, I do feel that things from The US Civil War such as The Stars and Bars have a place in the lives of people today that place is in/at The US Civil War reenactment groups who teach the public about that part of US History by reenacting battles of that war.
why is drake on that wall behind you tho
Why do you think this shit is only about race. I don't like hick hop too much, but like damn dude. Any type of music has a right to exist, its not up to you to decide. You are seriously full of your colored roots man, this is 2017 get over that shit...The confederate flag is a sign of rebel not of race, country boys are rebels. Take a trip to the south and see how it is there.
Did you just tell someone to get over their roots as you say that the flag is representative of your roots? We think it is about race because it was and it may not be now but the rest of the country doesnt know how the South has evolved in their view of the flag.
Truthfully I can’t stand it . I can listen to any kind of music , rap ,rock, country tejano , Cajun music , but I cannot stand it . Cringe is the best word for the description of it . And really the best song to ever come out was TOW DOWN- “country rap tunes” . Great video .
These songs sound like parodys of rap songs but with a hillbilly twist lol
As a white man I can tell you I'm not racist and that flag always meant southern pride to me. But as a white man I cannot nor do I have the right to tell a black person how to feel about that flag
Salute Murs for doing the research. I could barley sit through this video because of some of the ignorance. Must have been hell having to compile the clips.
We all have our bias. As you clearly stated your own in this video. I respect you for still leaving it open ended after you made your argument. Most of your arguments here are based on collectivism: chewing on a collective belief of your group assuming that it is "the right thing". If you could detract and look at it from an objective point of view, you would be able to see that, but you probably can't.
But this is what freedom of speech is about, voicing our opinions and respecting other people's opinion as well. I have tons of respect for you for that. Peace, love and cheers. :)
I believe art is art and you can’t limit an artist for his race or culture and it’s hard for me to contradict myself and saying they shouldn’t put this out but they have every right to no matter him much I disagree
This is easily becoming one of my favorite channels, hip hop is one of my favorite genres, but I'm not like a super knowledgeable fan of it, but I feel like I'm getting more knowledgeable because of this channel, and you tackle touchy subjects super elegantly and overall 10/10 channel, glad I found it!
Murs l love your breakdowns! Can you do that NYC breakdown and how many MC's come from there
I like the fact that even when he looks very uncomfortable with the subject, he still gives the benefit of the doubt to the sub-genere, that's quite professional.
I think it does has its right to be, it is a mean for a usually panned out group to express itself, that's what matters.
But then again, I'm a guy from Mexico City that's more into punk rock, the American hip-hop community isn't my strong suit.
Murs is a standup guy and extremely legit as a rapper.
YES!!!!! thank you for mentioning ICP. Channel just went up 10 fold after that
No juggalos are a bunch of trash who listen to trash music.
All music has a right to exsist!!!!!! idc if i like it or not its a form of expression and everyone expresses themselves differently
Wasn't hip hop originally meant to turn music on its head while unabashedly cursing and speaking one's mind? Since when is that only ok if you don't offend anyone?
Humming Brook One Piece 4 life!
Youre trying to bring logic into a group with the lowest IQ and worst quantitative reasoning on average out of every ethic group in america, do you honestly expect to get a sound argument in response to your point? The vast majority of people here respond to logic with emotion and respond to debate with victimology, sad.
Humming Brook hip hop was the poor man's answer to disco.
Vinny theres dumb ppl of every race dude
tmason995 fuck no disco was trash you old hag, more like an alternative.
also, for me real "southern" hip hop is UGK, Paul Wall, Killer Mike, Outkast, Chamillionaire...
There's a difference between southern hip hop and country hip hop.
check out some Memphis shit. kingpin skinny pimp , playa fly , Tommy Wright III and plenty more we got the fire
No Geto Boys, 8Ball snd MJG?
hey murs big fan of the channel. I just wanted to know how come you don't do any videos on UK rap/ Hip-hop? or the UK grime and how it came to the USA
The civil war had little to do with slavery. It's like saying the ewoks were the main characters in star wars.
I know I’m a little late right now but how come it’s literally mentioned in so many of the southern states deceleration of seceding the union. You could argue that other factors had to do with the secession but slavery certainly played a major role in the fight for “states rights”
Being Hispanic i don't feel the same anger that you feel when you see the confederate flag. But maybe its a Southern thing. Like you have to live it ,breath it ,be it and let it penetrate it to your core.
Its like if you're from the hood there is some shit you just can't explain to people who've never been in it.If they don't know what its like to lose a friend or loved one to street violence.Or kicking it it with your homies in the alley drinking beer at 2am but you know its dangerous. It's like standing up and representing your hood when you know there can be consequences.
How do you tell your white friends why you do it or why you're not scared when you know any reasonable person of intelligence would not be doing any of that.If you're from the hood you know what i mean and if you're not ....well you just don't know.
It's like Day of The Dead. If you didn't grow up in it and lived it all your life how can you possibly explain the beauty. the sadness and at the same time the pride and joy of it if you didn't grow up around it? Its like how do you explain that its more than just scary skulls?
How do you tell a Southerner that you don't believe they are not racist cuz they like and represent the Confederate flag?
I don't have the answer. But maybe you have to live it , breath it and be it to truly know. Im just saying bro.And if we're not from the South i don't think we will truly understand just the way people don't understand us.
But i guess we just have to trust? Maybe?
You're probably white-passing
This video:
“Does hick-hop have the right to exist?”
“Yeah, probably but I don’t like the confederate flag”
You like Burzum and anime... I don't think one can be more confused than that.
That's not the Confederate flag dumbass
Captain Obscurity is a god among peasants
Captain Obscurity Sure 210 years ago the confederate flag stood by slavery but not for the idea of whites being superior to any other race. The idea of racism wasn't discovered until close to the end of the civil war we're the north made laws segregating blacks from whites. The south fought for slavery but they had plans to abolish slavery anyway. But the main reason the civil war happened is because the north wanted industlize the country and the south fought back because there only means necessary for surviving were their farms. Agriculture was the souths main profit while the north had big city's with factories as their main sorce of income. That flag stands for the thousands that died to protect there family's from starving and the pride that some of them had not the racism. Your hophop culture and our southern pride are a perfect combo because they both have a sense of pride and beauty together! You need to be culturally inclined, I'm not representing that flags because of something that happend 210 years ago. I'm representing that flags because the poverty and pain that many people have been through so that we can be free without anyone forcing you down saying you can't do it. It's modern society man the only white supremacist are 0.2% of whites and trust me those scumbags don't represent me or that flag! They complete misrep the south and people like you build the idea in your head that all the people that fly that flag are using it in a oppressive manner. THIS IS MY CULTURE AND OUR COUNTRY!! WHY DIVIED CULTURES?!?! Our forefathers wanted us to have free will and live the way we want but it's all in the choices you make, not the color of your skin. I love history and not just the little information they teach in high school because you can't understand the psychology of their time untill you dive deeper into history. So dont tell me any of it stand for racism because it goes right over my head because of the ignorance of modern society
Efren Medina dude it's the flag of the south you dumb fuck they are just repping their roots just like you stupid fucks
Man I disagree with you on several of your ideas and points, but I love that ending message, we all need to talk it out we all need to try to understand where each other are coming from, we are all Americans. You might not care, but new sub here just cause I want to hear different opinions and voices in the conversation
I don't think you can assign rights to music in that sense. Music doesn't "belong" to anyone. It's an art form and it's constantly evolving. You can certainly acknowledge solid rules about where it came from etc., becasue otherwise that would be re-writing history, but no-one can tell someone else what to create in terms of art.
As always, people have a choice in what they listen to so it's a case of don't like it, don't listen to it.
Personally I don't think it'll be making any of my playlists any time soon.
Yes
This shit is so below par, I would never have heard about it if it wasn't for this breakdown giving it a huge platform. You're better off just ignoring this shit instead of critiquing it in front of more people than it was seen by originally.
swhite6 that's what I thought. but dudes like Upchurch are doing numbers and a lot these videos have over 10 million views
I disagree but respect for the reply and love your work Murs. Much love from Canada
My platform is bigger. You would have heard about it anyways
Ryan Upchurch no one except tractor drivers and NASCAR fans listen to your trash lmao
Damn. Upchurch got offended enough to reply in the first few comments. #easy
Damn. Major respect for approaching this topic with as open of a mind as you did, giving it as fair of a hearing as possible.
It's a year late seeing and commenting on this video, but maybe this will be of some value to you. I was born at the beginning of the 80s in Alabama. Growing up, there was a battle flag and an American flag on my wall. I was taught the War Between the States (it technically wasn't a civil war, btw, as the CSA wasn't trying to take control of the country, they were trying to leave it) in terms of tactics and battle strategies. The causes were either glossed over or generalized as state's rights. To this day, I can still tell you who the commanders were at every major battle, how the major battles unfolded, and the like. I learned about the esteemed gentlemen generals that would have won had they just had the numbers and resources of the North. I learned about the utter lack of skill and brutality of Northern commanders. Next I learned about the rape of the South during Reconstruction. From the Civil War period to the present, this is the first real dealing with race in my schooling. We learned about Nathan Bedford Forest and his midnight rides of terror, burning crosses, and the like.
What I think is important to point out here is that through this, we had all kinds of exposure to the letters, the thoughts, the interviews of the "regular" white guy of the era. The folks actually fighting the War were humanized to us. We were asked to put ourselves in their shoes and think about how we'd react to our state putting out the call for defense against them bastard Yankees trying to force their views on us.
See, that's the thing that a lot of y'all don't understand. When we tell y'all that that flag doesn't mean anything regarding race to us (well, most of us, there damn sure are more than a few jackasses out there), it truly doesn't. It's a symbol of honor, of our home, of standing for something greater than yourself even against a greater foe (again, remember, state's rights not slavery).
It's almost pure mythology, of course, but that's what makes it so damn powerful. Yeah, your family might be stuck in a trailer, your dad a pulp-wooder who can't read the paper. Your mom got knocked up in 9th grade and works at the garment plant. Between the two of them you and your three siblings might have a pot to piss in, but great grandpa fought with General Lee and actually met General Beauregard. You got to find some pride somewhere. Turn on the TV and if your home state is mentioned it's as a joke or an insult. Hear about about all this fancy technology and your cousin still doesn't have running water in their house. After a minute, you just embrace it all and claim it all as something good, as something to be proud of...otherwise, how's it worth it?
That flag, those statues...those aren't about y'all black folk. Those are the lies we have to tell ourselves to make it through the day, and we know them for the lies that they are, at least the ones of us who stop and think about this stuff...but take that away and you're left with what?
Outright lies, lies by omission, or even just minimization...judge it as you may. I'm only writing all of this because I think the only chance we all have at moving forward is understanding and talking about these kinds of things. I'll also point out that understanding isn't agreement or liking.
I gotta say. History repeats itself for those who don't learn from it. That's what Upchurch meant.
We all know who the Nazis are without statues of Hitler or Nazi flags
someone else okay, but what if a time comes, when everyone’s too scared to teach and talk about the horrific things that happened in the past, such as slavery, and the holocaust in fear of offending someone, or upsetting someone? How will history be told then?
Rock and roll (derived from the Blues) over the years have sprouted extremely negative subgenres like black metal and death metal. And they exist whether we like it or not. Same for hip-hop. As this young genre continues to sprout, every avenue WILL BE touched, and nobody, not even hip-hop’s highest ambassadors have no power over it. Like the other commenter said: it has the right to exists, but we have a right to not listen to it.
What you are saying about genres and their subgenres is definitely something I think is true and agree with you about, however as a music lover who spent a good portion of his life being a fairly substantial Metal-head (primarily Metalcore but there are always great bands to find in every subgenre) I have to say that the label of "extremely negative" for the subgenres of Black and Death metal is incorrect and possibly some very lazy assuming.
Who tf actually listens to hick hop and enjoys it?
Zircon Da Vinci listen to Ryan Upchurch his shits true shit
Zircon Da Vinci Me i pack a fucking dip while i turn it up yee yee boy have a problem throw another riot
bubba kelly calm down brother this is what makes us look like bad people. I listen all different types of music from rap to classic country. Not every black person riots, like every whitr person isn't racist. We can all agree that we enjoy country rap because we get it. It relates to us and it's a upbeat type of music there's no reason for hate and fighting
Pipe down lil boy
church is the best! he is real,true,honest,genuine...a really good guy.have you ever listened to him? he can outrap any of these so called rappers that only rap about bitches hoes and such.dont judge someone elses culture and beliefs if you dont like it done to you!millions of people have caught on to hick hop.its going to be huuuuge.
Fuckin' dope. Kudos to Hip Hop DX for the very complicated deep dive.
One note, Yelawolf is not from Mississippi, he is from Alabama. He grew up about 30 minutes from where I grew up. I am a middle class white guy that was raised in a family where I was taught to value a person based on their character and nothing else.
We ALL grew up listening to hip hop. To ask a question of a subgenre's right to exsist is impossible. The eventuality of subgenres are inevitable. It's more of a question of should those who have invented this subgenre been exposed to hip hop. The answer is yes, of course. They have been inspired to create to pay homage to those who have came before and inspire those to come. Music should not be constrained by the foolishness of man.
what about slim jesus? where does he fit in???? I'm from new zealand so I dont understand.....
#ogbeardgang😂😂
MYTH: Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT: Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War of Northern Aggression.
Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn’t free his slaves earlier, Grant stated “Good help is so hard to come by these days.”
Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!
Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called “Emancipation Proclamation” of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!
Not to mention if my memory is correct both sides offered slaves their freedom if they enlisted. The north just did so first. Could be wrong let me know. What I do know is that the only reason Lincoln made the war about slaves was to increase the size of the north's army.
Myth: it's the war of northern aggression.
Fact: The South left and fired the first shots once citadel students and later famously at ft sumter.
How the heck can it be a war of Northern aggression if the south attacked first?
If you say because most of the war was fought in the south then your an idiot because that was Lee's Strategy to fight a defensive war and hope the north would get tired because he knew he couldn't take the offensive. Almost worked as Lincoln almost lost reelection as people were growing weary of the war in the north. He of course one thanks to a few southern campaign breakthroughs.
As for Grant owning slaves what I think you are referring to was his father in law being an owner of many slaves and his wife belived 4 to be here. Surely you do not think that a wife and husband have the same views about everything.
Lee owned more than a hundred slaves and managed more, he only freed them 3 days before the emancipation proclamation and would capture runaway slaves during the war. Oh yeah he also chose to fight a war for slavery. Quit spreading this bullcrap and get your information from somewhere other than facebook, blogs, and fox news
The war was about slavery in the territories plain and simple. Lincoln said he would not allow it and one the election despite not even being on the ballot in southern states. Instead of living with the results the south leaves and captures federal bases in the south while the president Buchanan does nothing. When Lincoln finally takes office he sends a supplies ship to south Carolina so the federal forces can wait out the south. Confederates attack the fort before the ship arrives which starts the war. The proclamation did help the war effort and its legality is questionable but Congress allowed it by creating the 13th amendment and cementing its power, which became the law of the land once enough states ratfified it even if a certain one did not. You cannot ignore an amendment if your state personally does not ratify it. Also what the hell are you smoking I was curious to look it up because I had never heard ofthat before and Rhode island ratified in 1865 with all the other northern states.
Also when south Carolina wrote their declaration they mentioned slavery 18 times and states rights twice while also getting angry at the northern states for using their states rights to ignore the fugitive slave act.
The war was about slavery.
If you really want to talk about historically accurate events, the Confederacy consisted of 11 states, and only 11 states. The Union consisted of 39 states. Yes 39 states. Some of the states weren't named at the time but their territories still existed at the time and participated in the war, on the Union's behalf. The war was fought over many rights, the right to slavery not being one of them. The struggle for slavery didn't become an issue in the American Civil War until 1863, 2 years after it began. Racism and slavery were far more predominant in the Union than in the Confederacy. The Union was nearly 3 times the size of the Confederacy. The Union population was gargantuan compared to the Confederacy. People like to pretend that Lincoln was an angel and against slavery yet he was a blatant racist and owner dozens, if not hundreds, of slaves. The Confederate Army was predominantly Caucasian, but also consisted of many free black Confederate soldiers and militias. The Union was far more racist and had tenfold the amount of slaves. If it were as simple as you're making it out to be then rather than slaves trying to travel all the way to Canada, they could have simply made their way to any of the 25 union states or surrounding territories. But it wasn't. The Confederacy was predominantly southern states. Southern states were poor and less populated. Union states and residents were wealthy and far more powerful. Had it been as simple as you're proposing then there would have not been a Civil War. Slaves could have simply went to Union states and lived their lives in peaceful freedom. But it wasn't. Every slave ever brought to the US was brought here by Union ships, operated by Union Captain's and sailors/soldiers, into Union ports. So yes, the 39 states of the Union, just barely at the last minute defeated the 11 Confederate states. What a great accomplishment.
What led to the outbreak of the bloodiest conflict in the history of North America?
A common explanation is that the Civil War was fought over the moral issue of slavery.
In fact, it was the economics of slavery and political control of that system that was central to the conflict.
A key issue was states' rights.
The Southern states wanted to assert their authority over the federal government so they could abolish federal laws they didn't support, especially laws interfering with the South's right to keep slaves and take them wherever they wished.
Another factor was territorial expansion.
The South wished to take slavery into the western territories, while the North was committed to keeping them open to white labor alone.
Meanwhile, the newly formed Republican party, whose members were strongly opposed to the westward expansion of slavery into new states, was gaining prominence.
The election of a Republican, Abraham Lincoln, as President in 1860 sealed the deal. His victory, without a single Southern electoral vote, was a clear signal to the Southern states that they had lost all influence.
Feeling excluded from the political system, they turned to the only alternative they believed was left to them: secession, a political decision that led directly to war.
Basically it was about money and power. If you actually think the north was against slavery, you might need to research just how many slaves were in the north.
did you know that there were 451,021 slaves counted in the 1860 census in states and territories that would make up the Union during the Civil War? Twenty years earlier, in the 1840 census, there were 355,777 slaves counted and in 1850, 415,510.
Slavery in America, typically associated with blacks from Africa, was an enterprise that began with the shipping of more than 300,000 white Britons to the colonies. Drawing on letters, diaries, ship manifests, court documents, and government archives, authors Don Jordan and Michael Walsh detail how thousands of whites endured the hardships of tobacco farming and lived and died in bondage in the New World. Following the cultivation in 1613 of an acceptable tobacco crop in Virginia, the need for labor accelerated. Slavery was viewed as the cheapest and most expedient way of providing the necessary work force. Due to harsh working conditions, beatings, starvation, and disease, survival rates for slaves rarely exceeded two years. Thus, the high level of demand was sustained by a continuous flow of white slaves from England, Ireland, and Scotland from 1618 to 1775, who were imported to serve America's colonial masters. These white slaves in the New World consisted of street children plucked from London's back alleys, prostitutes, and impoverished migrants searching for a brighter future and willing to sign up for indentured servitude. Convicts were also persuaded to avoid lengthy sentences and executions on their home soil by enslavement in the British colonies. The much maligned Irish, viewed as savages worthy of ethnic cleansing and despised for their rejection of Protestantism, also made up a portion of America's first slave population, as did Quakers, Cavaliers, Puritans, Jesuits, and others.
Now let's also take into account the fact that only 1.4% of the American population owned slaves, and of that percentage, approximately 3000 black slave owners owned approximately 20000 slaves.
Bottom line is simple. None of this has to do with color, it's all about keeping people ignorant, and against each other. Wake up people
In settler colonialism, the object is to acquire
land and to gain control of resources. To realize
these ambitions, the first thing that must be done is
to eliminate the indigenous occupants of the land.
This can be accomplished in a variety of ways:
genocide, forced removal from territories desired
by white settlers, and confinement to reservations
outside the boundaries of white settlement. It can
also be accomplished through assimilation.
Assimilation can be biological (e.g., through inter-
marriage to “dilute” indigenous blood) and/or cul-
tural (e.g., by stripping indigenes of their culture
and replacing it with settler culture).
The second thing that must be done is to secure
the land for settlers. This can be accomplished by
imposing a modernist property regime that trans-
forms land and resources (sometimes including
people) into “things” that can be owned. This
regime consists of such elements as mapping and
marking boundaries to delimit an object that is to
be owned, a system for recording ownership, and
legal rules for ownership and sale of objects
defined as property. Indigenous people generally
understand the land and their relationship to it very
differently, viewing themselves as being provided
for by the land and in turn as living in harmony
with the land and having a sense of responsibility
for its welfare. Settler society does not recognize
indigenous conceptions and from their own per-
spective of land as property, views indigenes as
failing to make productive use of it.
With regard to the elimination of the indigene,
settlers adopted all of the aforementioned policies
at one time or another. Hixson (2013) documents
the almost continuous history of settler colonial
ethnic cleansing. Regular outbreaks of warfare
occurred throughout the seventeenth, second half
of the eighteenth, and the nineteenth centuries as
settlers pressed up against lands inhabited or used
by Native Americans first in the East and then in
the Midwest and finally the West. Some genocidal
campaigns were carried out by official military
forces of the metropole or the colonies, while oth-
ers were unauthorized actions by settler vigilantes.
Attacks launched by vigilantes were likely to be
particularly brutal and to involve the slaughtering
of women, children, infants, and the elderly. Hixson
notes that in 1609 when hostilities broke out
between the English settlers in Jamestown and
Native Americans in the region, the leader of the
colony, James Smith, “pioneered the tradition of
irregular warfare in the ‘New World’ by burning
and razing Indian homes and agricultural fields”
(p. 31). Warfare escalated during and after the Civil
War as American settlers pushed to occupy the
remaining land in the West and Native tribes fought
to preserve their ways of life. The Massacre at
Wounded Knee (1890) that resulted in the death of
300 Sioux warriors was one of the last major bat-
tles and mostly ended Indian armed resistance
(Brown 2007:439-50).
A little known aspect of genocidal raids and
warfare was the enslavement of indigenous survi-
vors, particularly women and children. In colonial
New England, the selling of Indian slaves on the
international market in the Caribbean and South
America helped defray the costs of the Powhatan
Wars. Settler men spoke of their desire for Native
American women whom they could use as domes-
tic servants and sex slaves. In the South, according
to Alan Gallay (2009:57), “Only through warfare
could Carolinians obtain the slaves they desired to
exchange for supplies to build their plantations.” In
California between 1850 and 1863, Walter Hixson
(2013:125) writes, “Some 10,000 Indians were
sold into servitude. American slave traders often
killed the parents of Indian children so they might
be seized and trafficked.”
It has EVERYTHING to do with race. White supremacy is a concept associated with settler colonialism to displace the Natives of our land to depelte the natural resources. It gives the notion that the norm is a white man and anything less is inferior and threfore the white man is best to make decisions and laws affected non-whites. The medieval Roman Catholic Church, as the dominate political and legal institution of Western Europe throughout the Middle Ages and early Renaissance, created the legal framework for the Doctrine of Discovery. The Pope in Rome, as divinely designated shepherd of Christ's Universal Flock, was vested with a supreme spiritual jurisdiction over the souls of all humankind. The Crusade to the Holy Lands of the 11th thru 13th centuries represented by the Catholic Church and Christian European military leaders to implement the papacy's theoretical universal authority over non-Christian peoples outside of Europe. The Pope proclaimed and directed holy wars that were fought under the legal justification that as usurpatious “heathens and infidels” the non-Christian peoples who occupied and possessed Jerusalem and the Levant could be conquered and displace by armies by orders of the Pope. Our nation’s history of slavery and subsequent de jure and de facto forms of racial discrimination against African-Americans has tended to define our contemporary notions of racism. Is the use of cultural differences, as opposed to biological or genetic differences, to justify discrimination against distinct groups in a society, also a form a racism? Albert Memmi, a Tunisian Jewish author, wrote of the most informational works to emerge out of the post-World War 2 African decolonization movement, The Conqueror and the Colonized (1965). Memmi posits that the “racist attitude” has the following “essential” elements:
1.Stressing the real or imaginary differences between the racist and the victim. 2. Assigning values to these differences, to the advantage of the racist and the detriment of his victims. 3. Trying to make them absolute by generalizing from them and claiming that they are final. 4. Justifying any present or possible aggression or privilege.
Consider this attempt at a definition of racism in light of the doctrines developed in federal Indian law by lawyers and judges over the course of American history. Also, did we forget about my people? Why is the treatment of the original inhabitants of these lands you call N. & S. America not talked about? We are resilient and are still here! Source: Federal Indian Law 5th Edition, Getches et al., 1998 West Publishing.
"Civil war was fought for state rights" That's literally a racist dog whistle. You're either an idiot or a bigot if you think this
All that glitters isn't gold, just as all that raps isn't Hip Hop. Rap is just one element of Hip Hop culture that has become popularized, commercialized and, in a way, turned into a culture of it's own. I think it would be best if we differentiated Rap culture from Hip Hop culture. They are related but not the same. A person can master the art of rap but that doesn't mean that they are Hip Hop. Just as a person can master the art of traditional Chinese cuisine, for example, but that doesn't mean that they are part of the Chinese culture. This is the basis of cultural appropriation, when people take an aspect of the culture, often changing it to suit their agenda thus straying from the original intent of the element, and use it for their own benefit without actually being part of that culture or being part of the culture but not giving back to it in any way, or taking more from it then they actually give back which I believe is the case with most big commercial rappers. It takes waaaay more than just being able to rap to be part of Hip Hop culture, and this doesn't only apply to white rappers. Hip Hop is a culture based on merit, it's all about showing and proving, regardless of race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, etc.. You have to earn your stripes in the culture of Hip Hop no matter who you are, and earning your stripes was never, and will never be about who has the most money or sells the most records. People think that the most popular rappers are the truest representation of Hip Hop culture and that's one of the biggest problems we face when it comes to the perception of the culture. The culture is so much BIGGER that just rap, it's best represented in the streets on an every day basis. There are real Hip Hop heads that most people never heard of that have done far more for the culture than some of these "legendary" rappers that everyone thinks are the truest representation of the culture. From my perspective, some of the biggest culture vultures are some of the rappers that many consider legends. Many people believe that the rap "legends" contribution to Hip Hop culture is the impact they've had on making one element of the culture, rap, a part of worldwide pop culture, but one could argue that that has actually been a detriment to the culture. Regardless, giving back to the culture involves much more than just popularizing the genre of rap. I could go on and on but I'll save it for when MURS invites me on the show :) Peace, love and Hip Hop forever!
DISL Automatic / Plant Based BIGness Massively agree. Otherwise what can we call it next time Taylor Swift or Harry Styles does a few bars of spoken word/rap on one of their songs? Rap is just a method of delivery now- hip hop is the genre, and it's steeped in a history and culture to which hick-hop clearly can not belong.
My street team will make your boys tuck their chains in!
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DISL Automatic / Plant Based BIGness youre right.15 years ago i know a skinhead guy who can spit some bars.lol
DISL Automatic / Plant Based BIGness cultural appropriation is not a real thing though
Shemar Nyelenkeh What human does not try to rule something they are interested in, you sound stupid as hell. You sound more racist then anything or anyone so far. Music is music dumb ass. If its made right and has a good feel to it then its good music. Better step outta that box before you get squared in bubba.
While he complains of the confederate flag relation to slavery he wears a flag responsible for mass death among the native Indians.
Cyle Roberts if you want to pay homage and protect the native Americans, move back to Europe, and don’t comeback, your very presence gave diseases that killed most amerindians, so help the community out
TehOverlord My grandmother is full blood Cherokee Indian. All of my Mothers side is Cherokee. My Fathers side is a mix between Hispanic and European. My last name originates from Greenland. If I want to pay homage, I'll visit my grandparents.
Cyle Roberts Facts
Cyle Roberts it's hypocrisy ignorance at its finest for real
Cyle Roberts A dawes roll Indian
I feel like Yelawolf is the only one who pulls it off (Does he count as hick hop?). He is a lyricist of the highest caliber and a country boy. He shows equal respect to both genres and the result is amazing.
Yelawolf isn't a hick hop rapper. He a rapper rapper
@@YungBoiEscobar My thoughts exactly. Just trying to see what others think. Yela is my shit!
Cowboy Troy is the Hick Hop rapper since he was the first artist that hit the major country charts when he was with Big & Rich. Cowboy Troy is black, and paved the way for Upchurch, Yelawolf and others.
Haystack and jellyroll are good
Not with that wolf album
When he was listing these Hick Hop artists. They all had something in common.
I mean...yeah. They do lol
ItzKrynos depends on who you ask but a lot of these dude definitely ain’t bad at all
lol the fact that this is a video
IKR? "Do black people have a right to exist?" LOL. What a sumb fucking question. Well, you know what they say, ask a stupid question...
The Original Gamer why so ignorant
John Harris
Why are you so ignorant? Lmao... If you aren't able to understand the reasoning behind that comment
Dominant Persona breh I understand it's just super super dumb man
I know. It's all dumb. It's dumb to get mad over any of it. I'm sorry if I offended you, my point is there's no need to BE offended. Not by the Confederate flag, and not by hick-hop's mere existence. If they say something wrong call them out on it. But if you don't like it, you can at least laugh at it.
It would be a cool flag if it didn't have its history.
Love these videos, thanks for taking the time to make them. Any chance you'll do a video in the future on ICP's status in the hip hop community since they are such a polarizing act? I think most of the hip hop purists would love Carnival of Carnage, Ringmaster, etc. if they gave the albums a chance.
The only thing you proved is that if you look hard and long enough you will find something you don’t like
Am I the only person in the world that knows that the "confederate flag" everyone mentions ISN'T A FLAG FOR THE WHOLE SOUTH!!!! IT'S LITERALLY A STATE BATTLE FLAG, IT WAS ONLY USED IN ONE DAMN STATE!!!!
jimmy davis thy just don't care
THANK YOU. It was the battle flag of the Northern Virginia Territories
it is actually the Tennessee battle flag
@@matthewcraney3452 no... it is a VIRGINIA battle flag.
Then why do people all over fly it? Foh
It's a complicated subject.
Trust me if hick hoppers were racist they wouldn't listen to rap or hang with black people. Hick hoppers were inspired by rappers and they're putting their own twist with it. It's beautiful, I live in the suburbs but I have a country state of mind. But rap is revolutionary
Jake Mcintyre You basically just supported people who say "I have black friends, so I can't be racist." Re-evaluate yourself.
And racist white people have enjoyed aspects of non-white culture for centuries. Does that change that they were racist? 🤔
Jakiee P What? That wouldn't make sense why are they going to hangout with black people if they fucking hate them. Stop complaining.
Jakiee so what you want is segregation huh? go figure, the pendulum always swings...
If you're so butthurt over white people 'takin' muh musik' than maybe you need to realize that whites and blacks have been stealing from each other culturally for centuries since this country was fuckin' founded.
Fish Nope *rereads comment to find where I said "I want segregation"*
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*doesn't find it*
Yeah, your entire comment is invalid lol Keep it pushing, wannabe philosopher
jose delpuerto *facepalm* Either you're too simple to comprehend my statement or you just didn't try to. I believe it's the latter...
If violence is being promoted within the genre, shut it down, hate speech should not exist. However if they are just expressing free speech relative to what is important to them then that's fine. Hick hop will just eternally come across as counter intuitive in a sense and the artists producing it will be none the wiser.
great video. not going to leave my views on this just let you know you did a great job of what you had to say. love it.
That shit is ass
Kevin Willis so r u
I'm sorry to say. I'm dark skinned but I wasn't born here. Born in South America (Brazil) and it's hard of me to relate or feel hate or to be honest, anything negative because I just can't relate. Either I can't relate or it just doesn't phase me.
shadowsangheili Man that ain't indoctrinating, he meant that this doesn't make part of his history (mine as I'm also south american). It goes the same way a white american can't relate with a white australian's heritage.
Deefex dB what country are you from? im ecuadorian american but im just a little black im mostly spanish and indian
Deefex dB South America is fucking awesome that's where Che Guevara was born
Fatman Jones Che Guevara was a racist and a killer, a total psychopath, even Castro was tired of his bullshit that's why he send Guevara to die in Bolivia.
Rafael Yrigoyen no Che Guevara was a revolutionist, he started a Revolution in Cuba because 95% of the country was in poverty, He travled a lot becuase he was a doctor when he went to Mexico to round people up for his revolution he met Castro. They started a Revolution in Cuba it worked and Castro took over Cuba because Che wanted to start more revolutions he started one in the Congo which worked then went to Bolivia where the Bolivain army and the C.I.A tracked him down and killed him 2 days later.
Hey HipHopDX ! the vocal distorts some time, think it is over compressed. Run your edited video through Logic Pro x and put a compressor on the audio, open it and select FET, 0dB and turn limiter on and maybe reduce the output dB and if it still clips out an adaptive limiter on the audio, take the gain down, decrease the out ceiling to 0.3dB and turn on true peak detection and put the look ahead to either 22 or 23 ms. Other than that I love this channel !!!
I love you Murs, I agree with everything you said too. If you had to name Top-10 all time rappers, would one of them be white? If so, why is your entire backdrop black rappers? Just curious to the theme 😜
Stop just stop. Before u try to make a video about the music and are gonna use history to back your claims up, use CORRECT HISTORY!! Not history you belived to be true. #RHEC
#RHEC
#rhec #crazypapersinmywallet
Creeksquad
We need a hip hop bully
New School Ranker 50 cent
Civil war wasnt about slavery. Its was about taxes and farmers being tired of getting hustled by law makers in new york...
James Smith slavery was a part of it tho, not a big part but a part nonetheless
@@HeyImTiP it really didnt though. Its was just a convenient scapegoat story for the people controlling the flow of information. Have you researched how many black people voluntarily fought for the south, proudly! No it was a topic of discussion at the time but not a article of war.
Hick Hop > Mumble Rap
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I’d rather drown my ears with mumble rap
Well if we're going to actually be honest about it that's technically not the Confederate flag during the war. Yes one of the concept art for the flag, but not Confederate flag that they flew during the war expecially towards the end. So that Confederate flag that you see nowadays, isn't the true Confederate flag. Oh and the Civil War wasn't about slavery sadly, it was about uniting the North and the South, even President Abraham Lincoln said once in a quote, " if I could unite the North and the South without freeing the slaves I would."
It doesn't have a right to exist, not because of racism or anything, but because it sounds terrible.
What u said😂
you guys never heard upchurch then. Most of it sucks but upchurch is better then alot of mainstream guys
Then if that is the way you feel you better start getting rid of all those copy cat rappers who the only lines they have is the same three words over and over again
Zack Cash yeh I don't mind the flag but people who mix country and rap are retarded
Chrisropher Rader I thought it was terrible at first to. But then i found upchurch and he really isnt a country rapper he is just a rapper who raps about the country
As much of a country fan as I have been, and as much of a fact that I have always disliked rap, this trend of country rap is truly disgusting.
My dude showed me ur music years ago and wow ur a beast bro 💯
Lol, i thought the title was a typo
Jodell Cherubin majority did as well as me
Nobody gonna stop me from listening to Church.
I looked at your liked videos you fucking ugly gtfo
CHURCH CHURCH CHURCH
Uh oh you brought all these dbs here
@@user-os8sq3uh4n please go enjoy your peanut bitter and jealous sandwich elsewhere gremlin...
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It has a right to exist, but it shouldn't. If it distances itself from the actual confederacy and racism, it could be okay.
Does it deserve to exist? Of course! That's how you make a unity in america! As long as no one is hurting anybody theres NOTHING wrong with anyone doing anything.