Scale Model Tips - 36 Spray Can Primers Tested - Tamiya - Mr. Surfacer - Citadel - Rust-Oleum & More
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Here I test 36 different spray can primers for scale modeling. Included in this test are non scale model brands like Dupli-Color, Krylon and Rust-Oleum.
I test them on several different surfaces to compare their performance.
There's a few here that I feel are the top choice and a surprise or two.
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I am always impressed with how much work that you put into these videos. Thank you again for your hard work.
Man, you obviously ut a lot of time, effort and money into these tests. Thank you so much for them, they are great helps to my painting skills!
Mr Surfacer 500 and 1000 are my absolute favorite primers, I use it for every single model I do. they are just great.
They're the best 👍
Awesome test! If you ever do another one or if you still have these test pieces....a durability and adhesion test would be awesome! Testing the adhesion of primer to surface as well as the top coat to the primer (which you'd have to use the same top coat for them all). Scratch test where they use something like a sharp screw in a block and drag it over the primers to compare which scratch easier, using a real string tape and seeing if it pulls the primer off, ect.
I'm going to get a couple of those that you liked....it really helped me narrow down! Thanks!
Wow. That is an insane amount of work you put into that test. Thank you!
Thanks for dong this Barbatos Rex - Mr Surfacer is easy to get here , and is certainly my go to now. Tamiya is a close second.
I'm sort of new to the hobby. Been an artist my whole life but I stick to 3d prints these days. Resin & plastics.... I'm a hand painter and that was my reputation. Watching your videos I am now fluent with my airbrush and the education of do's & don'ts. I am having fun and holy shit sticks like half the time now it takes me for anything. I would cheesy like , want to simply say thank you! If it wasn't for your approach & the way you "hands on" show how to do it all ........ I may have very well quit and just hand painted everything. Videos like this, where we all know you have to be losing $$ doing is seriously appreciated. Thanks!
I concur with all the comments below thank you for your hard work and time. Your channel has saved me so much time and money on all aspects on modelling. your a star👏👏👏
I didn't realize the self etching primer was only for metal. I used it on a plastic model car prior to knowing that, luckily without any issues at all. I just didn't like how heavy/thick it sprayed, like all Rustoleum cans.. but the paint came out great.
Thank you for a great video and great teaching skills + heart in hand for all your viewers
you know, you should use the spray on long strikes, pressing it before you are on top of the surface of the kit, not pressing just above it, dont know if im clear
This is an amazing video. Incredible work. Thank you so much.
Thanks Jack, a lot of work went into it
Something I just recently learned is that there are many meanings when people talk about primers, but they are rarely mentioned:
1. Color uniformity or background color: If the surface is different colors or if fx a black surface needs to be white, you might use a lighter primer.
2. Adhesion layer: Metal etching primer is one example, or when people talk about "grip"
3. Sanding primer: When you need to do all the above AND manipulate the surface geometry.
What I have learned so far about sanding primer;
Look for drying time, if under 20-30 minutes it is probably just paint with really bad sanding properties. Even if it mentions sandability. Best bet is automotive products from reputable brands. In EU go for Colormatic (expensive) or Presto (cheaper)
They lay on heavy, less running, but they shrink when drying. They also have estimations on the finished layer thickness
Holy hell thats a lot of primer! Lots to choose from for all kinds of applications and scenarios.
well done sir! thank you for this in depth comparison. many questions answered
Thanks for the video. The only one I don't think I saw you hit was TTC (Tactical... Combat Miniatures?) They have a line of color primers as well. You did several I'd never heard of before because I'm from tabletop gaming. The Model Master for example. Usually I hear Tamiya for the 'model' aspect of the hobby.
Wow, thanks for the extensive testing! I think the Testors primer is good for unifying the base color when using different modeling materials like brass, plastic, and resin, but it probably falls way short in the smoothing ability that you have with Mr. Surfacer. I can get Mr. Surfacer in bottles for airbrushing, but my local store doesn't carry the spray cans. So my preferred spray can primer is Tamiya fine in grey or white. Usually white for brighter paints and grey for darker paints. I use Vallejo paints, but have never seen the primer. I would like to try it, now that I've seen your test.
Vallejo primer is awesome either in can or in airbrush. It is my favorite primer :D
I have received very good results with the Brite Touch line of primers on plastic models. But I have noticed that they need to be well-shaken and at a warm temperature. The finish is smooth and sucks down nice into detail. I've only noticed Rex's results when the can isn't shaken thoroughly. Plus, the price is great. I've begun decanting it into my airbrush for finer control.
Great video. Your time and effort really paid off. Very thorough reviews of primer. Much appreciated!
Good deal for you man, I know you will do them up right. Happy New Year to you.
As a miniature gamer/.hobbyist, I find the Vallejo rattle cans are a good middle ground of price to performance. The GW and Army painter stuff is just to pricey for me and the Mister surfacer/tamiya stuff is over kill for painting 50 clan rats.
The Duplicolor lacquer primer I use (they have many - lots "acrylic/lacquer) has a "fan cap" on the nozzle. I use "Hot Rod Black" - true lacquer, sandable and fillable. Little scratches go away instantly. Approved by YTube uber guru Paul Budzig.
Having a bad drying experience currently with Rust-Oleum gray Primer on my T-62. Primered last night and after 24 hrs it's tacky to the touch in areas. Some of the best primer I've ever used are some of the dollar store primers lol.
Very nice and informative video, could you do one on top coats?
You changed my mind about the Primer I was going to get. Thank you!
I'm here to help 👍
I use the 2X primers and Behr Primers from Home Depot
You deserve a nobel peace prize tbh
Did you warm up the spraycans in warm water prior to their use? I would suggest always warming spray cans under hot/warm water prior to use.
Thank you BREX!!!! LOT OF WORK
It certainly was... 😉
Everything u need know and then some about primers. Good job and thanks.
Rex, Your new booth is great. What was your source & specs for the greenhouse fan? Thanks.
I'll put up a video on it soon 👍
At 35:57 you said "..and this one took some time" but I didn't notice or hear how long you waited to let them dry and cure. Any info on that? I have been practicing on the convex side of spoons and not learning anything about coverage over recessed and raised panel lines. Should I search out that railroad model brick and line plastic sheets you show in this video or is there a technique I could use on the spoons? I was thinking about just using my knife and scoring the spoons but haven't tried it yet. I can't express how much I appreciate your time and money spent to do this review for our sake. Thank you very much
About a half hour. I've since started using a food dehydrator to dry my paints faster. I did a video on it. Thanks for watching
Gee a lot work mate, cheers
Probably the most extensive comparison ever done in the history of modeling. 😆
Yes best tests ever, has to be done!
We don’t deserve Barbatos Rex!!! D’:
This guy is great! He’s how I figured out about Dspiae products. And I love those now.
Great review. Fun fact Ferrari primes their cars in pink before spraying red.
time to sit back and get some snacks
Wow. Excellent job. Very thorough and well done. It would be interesting to test the primer's on different plastics (PVC, PE, HDPE, etc). I know construction hard hats are difficult to bond the paint to. Thank you.
Have you ever found those hardware store paints to be too hot for styrene? i had crazing issues using them fairly wet and had to start using the expensive tamiya/mr hobby cans. jv.
Yes, way too hot. Stick with hobby branded primers for sure
Can anyone give a brief summary of what the results were recommended for primers…?
Thank you I usually spray paint the primer color of my model then do all the small stuff with brushes. I'm thinking of getting into airgun ( I know not right term) but I have only used enamal s . Speaking of seeing testors is done with them what is another good one?
Can't go wrong with prodcuts from the big T
Excuse me which Mr Hobby Surfacer 1500 black is better the can or the small bottle?
I like your channel , thanks from Saudi Arabia
Your welcome from the US 👍
A bit late, SEM has the best self etching primer available.
Need a conclusion of what is best at the end of the video.
hello, new to painting model kits. is the spray mr surfacer as good as using an air brush or does it give the same result? and thank you for the informative video.
also which number mrhobby primers is recommended?
airbrush is always better, cans are fine though. use the 1500.
Is there a visual difference between the Tamiya fine surface primer and the regular Tamiya surface primer? Also if i use the Mr. Oxide as a primer, can i go over it with the Tamiya TS spray cans? And if i use the Citadel as a primer can i go over it with the Tamiya TS spray cans since they are lacquer based? Thank you for the reply
I don't know if the NEWER KRYLON UNIVERSAL BONDING PRIMER was out on the market at the time of this video;
There has BEEN just in the last 2 years( that I know of) a NEW product from Krylon called-----"KRYLON UNIVERSAL BONDING PRIMER" -- important NOTE: it DOES NOT IN ANY WAY say "fusion" , it has not been RELATED in any way to EITHER of the Krylon priming products you tested!
I have used what I will call the "new" Krylon universal primer" and it is SO MUCH BETTER than most of the primers you tested, personally tested some of the same primers you tested - it is so much better than the Vallejo and the Tamiya-- I am sure that is a surprise and it destroys the - Rustoleum! I did my tests on plastic and wood!
Thee DRAW BACK in the comparison -- it does spray in large volume and you need to be farther away when spraying.
I don't know if you feel it a necessity to test the newer NON fusion related Krylon Universal bonding primer- but I do think it would be a much more fair comparison!
Army painter is on Amazon
Quick note on Mr.Finisher, it does shrink.
Dear Barbatos. I recently discovered "all4one" from Molotow. It's said you can use it in an airbrush as well.
I know it's a bit expensive in the US (30$ for 180ml refill or 8$ for 30ml). But where I live they are on the same price level as creatix and cheaper than Tamiya. If you get the chance to try them in your airbrush it would be awesome. Since I can't find any references or reviews of this paint for airbrush.
You can find the seller for US on the page www.molotow.com
That Krylon primer is good for die cast and plastic models?
Yes, the Krylon is excellent for die-cast
Ohhh..I see that Megatron Kit!
Nice!!! I also got Megatron, Bumble Bee and Star Scream
@@barbatosrex9473 wait..no optimus. You need an optimus my friend. You are the reason I have like 12 different metallic reds lol. I'm going to do some testing to see which ones I like best on my optimus.
@@randallbourque1321 oops, how could I forget, I have Optimus too 😉
Where do you get the resin & metal strips?
I poured my own resin in molds. The metal is a cut up for sale sign
For a starter model painter which brand would you recommend the most. Kinda leaning towards Tamiya & Mr surfacer
@@WGPhil-uw5cs Mr Surfacer hands down
A lot of these aren't primers but base coats
Can u use any of these primers with acrylic paints?
Yes, any of these will work with acrylics
I tried the Rust-oleum painters touch primer then tried to airbrush acrylic over it and the results were bad. The acrylic did not go on even or smooth and splattered with acrylic metallics.
You didn’t try it but duplicolor adhesion promoter. It changed my modeling life. Work in automotive and it’s for vinyl body panels mostly (stuff paint doesn’t generally like to bond to), and it’s a blast to use on models. It’s clear so it’s kinda weird to work with.
Loved the tamiya fine primer! I used to use a spray can primer for cars and it tends to become too thick (fills imperfections well but i don't need to all the time). After using tamiya fine primer my end results became much better.
Granted i can't fill imperfections anymore. Will just have to get a different solution for that now since i don't need it all the time.
Tamiya sells small bottles of liquid primer specifically for fixing things, fyi
When I use Tamiya sprays the primer helps the final coat adhear... i have found that Tamiya paints can be a bit weak and will rub off.. i have found that primers help prevent that.. that is just my experience and I could be trying to handle the model too soon..
excellent video my friend really indepth video on testing primers really helpful thanks for sharing
You're welcome buddy
One small comment. First loving your videos. Regarding your links. For a lot of your videos you provide a link to the website but not to the specific page for the product. There are so many versions of said products that it is confusing. I just want to buy the exact one in your video. Such as your Compressor you don't state what manufacture/ model number of your compressor. Maybe, I just missed it. Great videos. I have bought many items based on your recommendations, setting up my painting booth.
Thanks for the videos, very informative, Im pretty new to this stuff and just wanted to ask are the Rust-Oleum 2x primers enamel or acrylic ? What kinda colors am i supposed to use with them ? im very confused. Thanks
It's like an encyclopedia on primers! You explain everything you talk about and show it too. The hard work turned out a winner! Thank you for a good job!
Thanks for the kind words friend. Thanks for watching. I do try my best. Many more test to come for sure 👍
I'm a younger modeler and been watching you since you had like 1k subs. Just wanted to say thanks for everything you do it's super helpful and informative for someone like myself!
Thanks so much buddy.
You're a legend man! Thank you for spending the time and money to do this. Very informative!
Both Rust-Oleum 2X cans say "Ultra Cover." 😜 They just have different labels.
You know what the actual best rattlecan primer is for priming plastic and resin kits? The cheapest cans of regular flat spraypaint at your local Walmart or Target. Not kidding at all. They stick just as well as a primer, and can be painted over just as well as a primer. And at less than $2 a can you have more money for models and kits.
The idea you need an actual primer for plastic and resin models is like a disease that people really need to fight off. So much money wasted on unnecessary expense.
The Rustoleum 2X grey say Ultra Coverage to the right of the 2x I do believe it and the white are the same formula just different colors and marketing
All very good but I want to know how easily scratched off each primer is.
Awesome test! This is a major asset to the hobby. We owe you big time :-) By the way, for model trains or dioramas the Mr. Surfacer 500 is great for a base coat for "concrete"
I use it for brick, concrete walls, sidewalk, etc for my diorama models.
Rudy Tooty Version compressor with Patriot 105-1 airbrush is only around $170-$219 if it is in stock. A pretty good deal. SpayGunner has the Patriot 105 single nozzle airbrush for $79. They are currently,as of Dec. 2022, out of stock on the Patriot 105 kit with the 2 extra needles. Going for &98. I decided to get the Badger 2020 Sotar with the added .5 and .7 needles for $125.00. I bought one of the single action airbrushes you tested for doing primer coats and the like. I just wanted a second little better airbrush. I bought a different compressor on Amazon that came with an dual action airbrush but I don't know the quality.
Thanks for putting in the time to bring this. The vallejo stood out for me
I have used the Rustoleum 2x white primer then tried to airbrush acrylic and it was a disaster for me. Have you had any success with that combo?
I’m new to model building and I bought Mr. Surfacer 1000 because it was all they had at the store at the time, glad to see I made a pretty good purchase
Time to get some Mr Surfacer Black 1500.. PRobably in the jar though - with levelling thinner..
Both are great. You can't go wrong with either
I've been reading that laquer and enamel sprays and paints will make the gunpla plastic brittle over time. As I consider moving into more expensive MG kits, this is a concern. But is the concern warranted or just silly? My go - to is Tamiya fine surface primer and I'm just waiting for better weather to try some Tamiya or Mr. Hobby spray paints. As a trusted resource, I would value your opinion.
I've never had a problem. But if you primer your kits first then all your worries are for not. The primer will protect the kit.
Absolutely awesome! Definitely ditching rustoleum and going to the Mr. Surfaces especially the black. Just wow! I cant believe you did this many! Just watched the whole thing.
Why do you prefer the mr hobby 1200 over the 1500? Does it fill just a bit more with the same finish?
Barbatos Rex: This has a different kind of nozzle altogether.
Everyone: This has a different kind of nozzle!
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You should try Valspar gray and black. Also you can get different caps like you got with the Vallejo paint from Montana cans,which is also great paint with a wide selection of colors.Speaking of stink,Krylon and Rust-O-Leum silver and gold metallic's are the absolute worst!! It's worse than being in a spray booth shooting lacquer. I have never used Krylon bonding primer,but have used regular Krylon primer with no problem what so ever.I also use Valspar and Dupli-Color primers
Excellent video. I find that so long as a plastic surface is free of cosmetic defects, the best primer is none at all. Just a spray of adhesion promotor, and then topcoats. I've had great luck with Duplicolor adhesion promoter in the aerosol can. Bulldog (harder to find unless you go to an auto body supplier) works great, too, but ONLY if you spray with your own spray equipment. Their aerosol cans are no good, spitting and sputtering globs of the stuff.
Overall, for a higher-build primer, I like Rust-Oleum grey. Never noticed any significant difference between the "automotive" one and the regular. It's always advisable to stick with the same brand of paint products for all coats, but I've never had a problem going over it with Krylon or Duplicolor top coats.
Great vid, thanks for sharing! 👍👌
Did you know the nozzle on the dupli-color can that you liked is adjustable from vertical fan to horizontal fan just twist the nozzle insert
I did know that but I rarely use it. But you're right I should have mentioned that
my favorite combo is Rust-Oleum 2-N-1 Fill and Sand Primer then prim over with Krylon automotive 2 in 1 primer for mixed material's like resin and plastic . strangely enough it does help with weak points on some thin model attachments
Krylon gloss clear coat is weird too. It nearly ruined a gundam I used it on
out here on the west coast I use a primer that I buy at my local hardware store called Touch Tone. It comes in light and dark gray, black and red. I spray all my paints over it and never have had a problem.
Wow we don't have that here on the east coast. Plus you get red and black which is a bonus 👍
Excellent review! Thank you so much.
WOW, thats a lot of primer lol, Do you ever do livestreams you should if not.
Dude, I really appreciate the work you've put into this vid. Most of the hobby spray primers aren't available where I'm from, so I wasn't sure which auto brand to use for gunpla. I might be able to snatch one of the krylon colormaster or Rust-Oleum painter's touch.
Question about Mr Surfacer: I love the stuff, but I get the little pot and mix it for airbrushing. However, I’d love to use the cans for ease of use with larger 1/48 models.
How does it work in the booth for a larger kit? My concern is accuracy and the finish. Can you get close enough without saturation? Can you back off without making a huge mess or affecting the finish?
Thanks in advance!
I wonder how well the Rust-Oleum brand paint airbrushes on plastic model parts/Gundam parts.If properly thinned out and shot through a high quality hobby airbrush;using a 5 size needle,I wonder if Rust-Oleum paint can be better applied via dual action airbrush instead of just hosing kit parts down with a spray can;as you don't have any control over how much paint comes out,onto plastic kit parts.Testing how well a can of Rust-Oleum paint;can be airbrushed onto plastic kit parts,would make an excellent video.
I will be doing that in my primer airbrush test. It's going to be another big test just focusing on airbrushing instead of spray cans.
Looking forward to watching this tonight!
I had goodluck with Rustoleum Universal Bonding Primer for my Gundams. Just need at least 10 to 12 inches distance when spraying. The key is light coats.
Wow! Excellent comprehensive video. The hobby community owes a great debt of gratitude to you for testing all of these different products on a variety of materials and surfaces. 🙏🏻
How are you going to give them equal amounts of adequate shaking? When some might have sat on a shelf longer than others, Rust-Oleum and krylon have some awesome coatings out of a rattle can nowadays that's all I know and I haven't seen this yet.
Man, that's some hard work you did. Multiple brands, multiple sufaces, precise, detailed. Was looking for a comparison between primers brand, you did it. Nothing more to say than good job. Thanks !
You're welcome buddy
I have a question man. I have model masters garnet red pearl. I need to know what base coat do I need to spray this over. Silver? I want it to pop as it is being sprayed on a moebius international prostar
I have a question, for the painter toucher primer I bought 2 can white and grey. The white came out really good and smooth, but the grey came out grainy and look really rough.
Is it because grey primer alway rough or do you think the can is too old?
Warm the can up and shark for like 10 minutes and it may come out better
So glad to see this test video. It answers a lot of my questions! Thank you!
Hi there.
Thanks for this and all your videos.
Is there a reason why so many airbrush folks still go for canned primer and sealer instead of airbrushing those?
Thanks!
Timo
Some primers and airbrushes don't go well together