This channel has everything, a catchy theme, comedy, education, memes and more, that's why I'm always excited when I wanna watch a video. Anyways matpat ever tried power scaling, power scaling is fun, you should try it sometimes
Let's be real, he can't make a conspiracy theory channel or the governments of the world would catch on. Or even worse, the illuminati would catch every detail he put out
A small note on the Swedish food pyramid used in this video (the double pyramid version, not the one from 1974). I'm Swedish and I got curious when it was brought up since I had never seen that version before. When I went to school I was taught something called "Kostcirkeln" (basically "the diet circle") which is a lot more balanced than the 1974 food pyramid, and I was surprised that it didn't get a mention in this video for that reason. Anyway, so I was able to track down the image used in the video and read the article where it came from, and quickly found out that 1) the image was created by a local grocery line here and isn't actually created by any kind of nutritional authority and 2) It isn't actually meant to be used as a dietary aid. Rather, the pyramid is a visualization of the average modern diet and meant to be directly compared with the 1974 pyramid. The reason why there are "two" triangles is because the top one (labeled "empty calories) doesn't have an equivalent in the 1974 pyramid since it consists mainly of nutritionless junk food. I also think it's probably to show that the average Swedish person eats more junk food than meat + dairy combined, since they take up a smaller portion of the pyramid. The data is based on information from the Swedish institute of agriculture (jordbruksverket) and is part of a 2016 advertisement campain by the COOP grocery chain. They basically want to inform the public about the poor general diet, as well as assure their customers that the grocery chain has plenty of nutritious products that they can use to better their diet :) I wouldn't call this "two pyramids pyramid" a food pyramid at all for this reason, since it isn't meant as a diet aid, rather a grim portrayal of the Swedish populations *actual* poor diet I thought it was interesting since this episode is partially about the impact advertisements can have in spreading food misinformation and deceiving the public. If you actually would like to learn about the kind of diet recommendations that Swedish people are given today, I recommend looking into kostcirkeln. Even if you don't speak the language, most of the images are illustrated. I wouldn't say kostcirkeln is perfect- but at least it isn't like 40% soda and donuts lol.
when i was in preschool i saw a food pyramid with gluten and dairy, legit the exact two things im allergic to, and they said it's the most important part of any diet and i legit started crying thinking i was gonna die cause the two food groups i have to have to survive, i couldn't have.
This just proves that you can survive without stuff that these industries support! Look at vegans for example, they can live healthily without meat and dairy
@@vincenttt8289 _”fun”_ fact: you can actually still be malnourished despite being overweight/overnourished. Malnourished simply means a wrongful distribution of nutrients
Here in Portugal we grew up with a food circle called “Roda dos Alimentos”. It featured 8 groups. In slices proportional to their serving sizes there were: vegetables, fruits, oil and butter (fats), dairy, proteins (meat, fish and eggs), peas and beans, carbs (potatoes, pasta and bread). What about the eighth? It was water! And it was right in the centre of the circle.
Thanks Portugal for making me realize that every single food chart I’ve seen has dairy on it and not anything about water, and seeing how much corporate lobbying was in this video I’m now kinda suspicious of this. I’m onto you big dairy
In my school we have a “ Roda dos alimentos “ in the canteen. It’s been there for years. It’s right in the center when you are leaving you can see it. And I think that’s a good thing
I mostly grew up in the wake of MyPyramid and teachers just accepted it so blindly despite the fact it made literally no sense. Teachers didn't even bother trying to explain it to me and they mostly just told me it was the basis for our school lunches, even though we usually never got whole grains because the school couldn't afford it
I appreciate that these videos show that the real conspiracies aren't consisting of microchips and space lasers. It's all about corporate lobbying and biases. Thanks MatPat!
@@RoninCatholic Actually, they could. Definitely not in the sci fi planet destroying sense, but as point attack weapons, it is definitely possible. Why risk men and equipment in a strategic bombing campaign when a satellite could do the same job with less risk of civilian casualties?
Man I pointed so much of this out to my health teacher in highschool and she always just blew me off and discredited what I said. Sometimes she’d say ‘show me your sources and maybe I’ll talk to you’ but she never wanted to see it. I was so mad, I had done research and she just thought everything I had to say was some kind of argumentative ‘your teaching is bad’ kind of thing. Which it never was. Just saying, not everyone needs dairy and grains aren’t the only way to base a diet. Walking is better than no exercise and more exercise is better than walking. Ugh...old memories killing my brain...
You should have talk to a journalist or the news channel. Tell them this has a interesting story. They can't resist. That will show your teacher and make that person mad.
I find it rather threatening that so many things we learn is because food industries are like "We need to keep our money, so let's lie to our folks until they consume. Best teach it to our children in school!". And you see this on Food Theory by just binging a bit! Like every third episode is 'bout some government or food industry pulling a pinnochio.
Because of this pyramid and not understanding what my body needs, I recently had to rethink my relationship with food. I lost 52 lbs when I stepped back, did research, and reevaluated my relationship with food. Thank you for making this video, Matpat. I hope this reaches the people who need to hear this!
Woah congrats on losing 52 lbs, that’s amazing! Im currently trying to lose weight and i feel like I’m not getting anywhere. What kind of research did you do?
@Lina Wael you lose weight by eating in a calorie deficit every single day. Which means eating less than your body burns a day. Start weighing your foods on a scale and track every meal.
@@Juliette_jules I tracked how many calories and what I eat and drink. I researched why I ate the way I did, which Noom helped a lot with. I currently try to stay within a 1210 calorie budget, but can be a bit more if, say, the family Christmas dinner happens. One big, bad meal didn't wreck me. When it came to planning work lunches, meal prepping really helped. Increasing vegetables and decreasing processed food like Hot Pockets (300+ calories each!!) or Hot Cheetos really helped. Learning to read labels, understanding portion sizes, and balancing a good diet while staying within a calorie budget isn't easy, but doable! I had a hard time even getting to 1200 calories some days, but manage it most of the time now
@@Juliette_jules Solid suggestions so far but I'd say 1200 is a bit extreme. 1500 is minimum I would go, 1800 is easily achievable and will still let you lose weight, although at a slower pace. Also, never think of Sports as "burning calories". The easiest calories to burn, are the ones that don't end up in your body in the first place
@@euchale calories are entirely based on the person, 1500 calories is a much different amount for a thin framed 4'9 person than it is for a wide framed 6'2 person
"Because I haven't found anything to replace Diet coke yet" I- *looks at the video where he decided he likes Harris Teeter diet cola more than Diet coke* He's been brainwashed into forgetting 😮 Seriously though, this was a very interesting video. Could you do a theory about what fruit smoothie is the healthiest (and tastiest)? I love smoothies, but always get told how unhealthy they are
@@selalewow I may be mistaken, but I don't think that they did a video on supplements. Also, I'm pretty sure that most doctors are of the opinion that supplements are fine if a diet (whether for health, religious, social, availability, whatever issues) can't get or get enough of a certain nutrient. It's just that they tend to be grossly overused and usually by people not in need of them.
I had to watch that part twice, because he said 'Diet Coke' but 'Diet Pepsi' was the picture. And yea, whatever happened with 'localbrand is better' and cheaper.
I actually wrote a paper on this topic last semester! It was about agenda-driven influence on science, and discussed how food industries lobby the US government in order to have a say in FDA nutrition guidelines. I mostly covered the MyPlate Guide, so it was really cool to see this video, which goes into a more comprehensive history!
I distinctly remember being in my fifth grade health class, and getting to the part about the food pyramid only for my teacher to pause and admit that she was required to teach us the food pyramid as it is shown, but that the entire thing is messed up by the government, and that it’s completely wrong.
That potato thing is the truest thing I've heard all day. There was a few old bad potatoes that got thrown out but missed the trashcan and ended up behind them. I had potato plants growing in a mixture of gravel, dirt, and tar/asphalt whatever from when they tear up the roads to repave. It's very cold out for once in a few years, it's hit freezing temperatures multiple times. Yet last week I noticed I had a potato plant behind my trashcan I pulled it and tossed it, because I don't want tar potatoes but. They really are resilient
I forgot I had a bag of potatoes somewhere in the cupboards. Those fuckers tried to grow in the corpses of their deceased friends while filling the cupboard with roots and sprouts.
@@birdgirl8390 better than having one potato of the bunch start rotting, attracting fruit flies and infecting the other potatos.... at least you now have a cupboard garden
It's funny that MattPat took one episode and showed so many people how easily "science" can be corrupted by money and how easily people fall for propaganda
Including publication bias, it is stupid how the people (their consumers) are not being given facts, instead only does things that are good for the business.
I never understood the whole "People in other place are starving, so you should eat this food" thing. If someone told me this, I would probably respond with, "Then give it to them. I'm not starving"
I think the idea is for people not to take the food we have available to us for granted. It’s easy to forget that the world of abundance people from developed countries are used to is not the historical norm and how in many places nutritional deficiency is a common problem. Pretty much be grateful for the fact you have food in the first place
A few series titles popped into mind: "Feeding Lies", irony "Fed the Lies", hitting the nail on the head "Fed on Lies", hitting it again "Food for Lies", play on words "With a Side of Lies", another play "Lie à la Mode", another play If you like one, go ahead and run with it. I'm partial to, "Hello, internet! Welcome to Food Theory: With a Side of Lies. Where we delve into the lies we've been fed about the food we eat."
Oh my god I can't believe this I've been a fan of game theory and other theory channels for years now, always watching their content and this video has made my day. At 14:18 it's shown a meme I've made over 3 YEARS ago. I finally made it into a theory video with my old meme. This caught me by complete surprise, I'm so happy. Thank you everyone on the theory team.
Yeah I'm glad Matpat made a video on this. I remember learning about how companies lobbied for their placement on the food pyramid, making us eat too much refined carbs but not enough fiber. No one gave much thought into it whenever I brought that topic, and now that Matpat covered it, it will hopefully reach an audience who cares.
These pyramids also came at a time when most Americans started traveling by car everywhere, to the point where you cant get anywhere without one. These pyramids have obfuscated what a healthy and balanced diet actually looks like, while at the same time weve become less active by choice at first and necessity now.
I remember taking a freaking test on the my pyramid thing back when I was like maybe 7-8, and you had to PASS it or else couldn’t do recess until you did. I’m glad I’m not in school anymore.
I'm gonna need to actually see some of these "topics/theories for another day". I've heard the phrase some many times recently... I've heard it three separate times in this episode alone! I would love to see MatPat actually address some of the overlooked talking points he has mentioned in his previous videos. An idea for the fourth channel perhaps?
I've said the same thing 😃, I think this video and the chicken nugget one were a "theory for another day" topic so I hope he addresses all the other ones at some point soon cause a lot of them are genuinely interesting
I just feel the need to share this here: I have a vintage lifestyle book (it's from ~1952), and it includes a recommended *daily* diet for a teenage girl. It is: 1 qt. milk, 1 serving cereal, 1 egg, 2 green vegetables and a green salad, 2 servings of fruit (1 citrus), 1 serving meat/fish, 3 pats butter, 4 slices of bread, and a potato.
That’s way too much for me. I am 5ft tall and despite being naturally very muscular still have a relatively low TDEE. FOUR slices of bread is too much in the way of carbs especially if you ALSO have cereal. Even just eating one or two slice of bread daily I start piling on the lbs, getting bloated etc. Sometimes a slice of bread has more sugar in it than a can of Coke! I would have 2 slices of bread OR the potato, but not both.
In New Zealand I've always noticed that at the stores you have to walk pass a few junk food before you get to the fruits and vegetables aisle it's tempting not to buy the junk food while getting there.
Yes, in the retail industry it's known as the "impulse buy" display section & it is *absolutely* intentional. Ever wonder why the Dairy section is inevitably in the very back of the supermarket or grocery store, forcing U to trek all that way & back again just for a lousy container of milk? It's all carefully planned so that you'll B that much more tempted by what U see along the way to throw more unplanned purchases (impulse buys) into your shopping cart or handbasket. In the US this gets turned up to eleven when U reach the checkout area: each & every cashier station has its own section of impulse buys, mostly candy bars & other forms of junk food (don't know if this is also true outside the US).
I remember in high school, all of us getting herded into computer rooms like cattle so we could register on some stupid site, learn about the new food pyramid, and log our meals and exercise for the day. It was so strange how they pushed it on us, and it seemed really confusing after having that other pyramid shoved in my face during my entire grade school life.
I remember being really confused about food in elementary school in the early 2000s. At my school they had the 90s food pyramid, the my pyramid, and the my plate on the walls in the cafeteria and hallways leading to it. Looking back it really is just food industry propaganda.
@@TheLastMillennials I'm aware but I grew up in a small town where everything is 5 years behind the rest of America. I'm pretty sure I could go back to that school and the same posters would still be on the walls.
As a kid who grew up with digestive issues, I couldn’t/still can’t eat things that are considered “healthy”, and I felt a lot of shame over that. This idea of a “perfect” diet also contributes to body image insecurities. They pushed this so hard onto us, it has unfortunately shaped our habits as we now become adults.
You don’t need any of that stuff. You just need basic knowledge on what food sources contain the most protein, carbs, or fats. Then, as long as your exercising you can have anything you want in moderation
You all ever wonder why they called it the pyramid? Cause, it's a triangle. They only show us one side. Saying it's a pyramid implies there are other sides that they don't show us. And i really wonder what the food hierarchy looks on thevother sides
Now here's some good thinking! I'll bet there is a side with a lot of meat and animal fats at the bottom and some legumes and potatoes on top. The exact opposite of what they would like to see us eat.
Know what I appreciate about Food Theory? The consistency with the intro. Game and Film Theory always use unique ones to tie into the subject, so we never really see the usual ones.
I’m actually writing a paper on the MyPlate food graphic right now and had been having a writers block. This video has actually given me some more ideas to write about! Thanks man!
here's my own take of the food pyramid/triangle situation when i was younger i was taught to have somewhere between 5-8 cups of water a day, and when i took around 3 cups, I felt it was too much. same with food; dont have so many calories, eat more protein, eat more of this food. I was living a long-lasting nightmare, but now that i am older and much smarter (but still very stupid), I know how to live life with your own standards. drink as much water as you want but still drink water, if you have a problem with nutrients and minerals such as less sodium, iron, vitamin A, or an increase in those things, fit your diet to naturally curve to your needs. less sodium? more salty foods. more iron? less high iron foods. Its now what i know and you need to know, so if you're young drink like 2-3 not 5-8. and fruit is one thing you should be counting on for nutrients that taste good to you. veggies can even be made tasty on some cirumstances too.
I remember being told I need to drink 8 cups of water a day as a kid. Kids don't need that much because that's the recommend amount for a grown adult. And now I know the amount of water someone's body needs normally depends on their weight, diet, and the amount of exercise they get
5-8 cups of water a day is calculated for fatasses who eat so much junk food with so much sodium that 5-8 cups of water becomes a daily necessity... I only drink that much or maybe even more when I am working outside in the middle of the summer, but at that point I'm so drenched I could make a towel wet.
@@MoodyMickey Urgh you reminded me of when I was at my doctor the last two times; "How many cups of water a day?" "I do the 6-8 cups routine" "You need 8-10" I come back next time... "How many cups of water a day?" "I do 8-10 as you suggested" "Well you need 6-8 because any more is too much" It's like no matter what you're *always* going to do it 'wrong' even if the problem needs to be completely made up to make you fail.
Parents forget that the 8 glasses of water per day is the total amount of water you should consume, including the water in your food. So if you eat food containing a lot of water, you don't need to drink as much.
In the 80's there were in the area of Ethiopia especially. That was big in the entertainment industry and led to things like USA for Africa (We Are The World), Band Aid (Do they know its Christmastime at all) and the Live Aid concert. Before that it was common to say "don't waste food there are starving kids in China" but more accurately was Southeast Asia
I always thought it was those mission trips, that interfered with developing nations by culture shock and forcing schools, that ultimately caused people to live in starving nations. Before the children were taught how to hunt and gather, then after the kids were distracted by shiny stuff and no one learned how to even get food. Interference in development, "sending aid" cost external resources and can only last so long, ultimately degrading a people. Small exchanges and learning how a people live and sharing knowledge and wisdoms with what's on hand, what is useful and non invasive; this will build up all parties involved. If there are starving kids anywhere in the world, it's likely because someone was trying to force their values, and then left right after a turning point.
Dear Matpat, would it be possible to make a video on the myth that Warm milk helps you to sleep better? (My mom STILL forces me to drink milk before bed, and only a scientific debunk of this myth can save me from my misery)
It's like chicken soup making you feel better... if your told something/do something since childhood.. it can cause a placebo affect... your brain has been tricked to associate warm milk = sleepy... But it is thought that warm drinks can be calming.. so that's a factor.. but that's can be anything; tea, hot coco, ect
It varies from person to person. Some people are intolerant, some people thrive on it. The genetics involved are a bit chaotic, so there's no way to predict if milk is good or bad for you based on your parentage. That said, if your body is telling you to avoid milk, I would listen to it's advice.
Warm drinks in general calm your body down, milk is generally recommended as it doesn't have caffeine or excess sugar, it really doesn't need to be milk things like herbal teas and even light soups would work just as well. A lot of it is just placebo but it does promote muscle relaxation and having something to focus on to just be in the moment without invasive thoughts. I would assume having to drink something you don't like just before bed would negatively impact sleep quality.
I still want evidence that these nutrition guidelines actually change diet, by what means (like is it consumer choice or do the suppliers change their mix in a way that alters consumption patterns) and also how selectively is the advise taken up (like do people eat more fats but not eat fewer carbs, if the advise suggests an increase in the percentage of calories from fats but not an increase in total calories etc.).
It's generally consumer choice which then impacts supply. It's not all that effective on adults it's more used as an educational tool for children in schools alongside more in depth nutrition knowledge. In australia anyway, I can't speak personally about the nutrition programs in other countries
@@okayfriendd1704 Clearly the intension is often to affect consumer choice often by educating children before they start making food choices, where is the evidence that it actually succeeds in doing that. Also, what about say the food served or supplied by charities or hospitals or the meal plans of universities. If those change based on national nutrition guidelines that to me is different from consumer choice. although it is not a supplier in the sense of a farmer, butcher or baker.
@@okayfriendd1704 here in the mother country the government pressure food companies with threats of legislation so they "reformulate" their foods and drinks to meet the government's "obesity guidelines" either by shrinkflation or by adding artificial sweeteners. This puts me in the uncomfortable position of having to support COCA COLA of all companies as they are the only fizzy drink company that didn't capitulate.
in my experience (which admittedly isn't scientific), it mostly seems to affect what kids and prisoners get fed for their meals. I'm sure the first one that was pounded into us back in the 90s affected consumer choices, but after several confusing fails, I bet the later ones had less effect.
Fun thing, once my mom said to me to eat my vegies cause there where kids starving, i, as a kid, think 7-8 years old, tought about it and said "well, then take it and mail it to them! I dont like this, maybe they will"
Turns out veggies taste amazing when they aren't served blandly steamed with no spices and margarine as your only spread option! I still shudder when I think of my grandfather's cooking. My own mother used to think she hated brussels sprouts till I served her some roasted, pink salted and covered in REAL butter.
@@pillowkitty6 But when they are served blandy they are more healthy. With butter they are less healthy. Specially, if they are fried or something. Heating the vegetable too much destroy health nutrients in it. I know that this sounds very bad. But there are some people who cook in a healthier way and some in a tastier way. Maybe your grandpa tried to cook in a healthy way because he cared about you and your mon's healthy.
I believe that the use of the "new" Swedish food triangle is misused, the image shows both the 1974 and the 2014 versions, and it's an ad from a major grocery store that attempted to use this image to increase their sales of empty calories products like sweets and chips. It says the numbers come from jordbruksverket (the Swedish Board of Agriculture). A proper source would be livsmedelsverket (the National Food Administration)
Actually if you look it up, the 2014 pyramid shows how we Swedes eat tooday, not how we SHOULD eat. It shows our actual eating habits. It’s actually meant to show that the food pyramid does not work since we clearly don’t follow it, and it needs replacing
I grew up type-1 diabetic, so we got our own special food groups that were actually closer to that old circle where butter and margarine got it's own group, except it was called "fats and oils". They used to put the little symbols on some food packaging.
I grew up with the mystep pyrimid, and it made sense to me: It represents proportions rather than exact sizes. If you eat a lot of meat and beans, you'll have to eat a LOT of fruits and veggies. If you eat less, you are further up the pyrimid. Eat more and be further down.
In Canada we've adopted a plate as well, but it suggests a quart to be full grains, quarter "protein foods", half to be fruits AND vegetables, and to "make water your drink of choice".
Sounds very much like the Dutch model, though we have moved some tubers like potatoes from the greens to the grain section and we have a small fifth section for butter and cooking oil
A random theory Idea: how to make the a chip with the loudest crunch, What would that chip would it be made of? (corn, wheat, potato etc.) and how the cooking method needed to provide that crunch (like deep fry or kettle cook for example). Maybe there some secret to it. I am curious
I just watched a video about making crunchy chips at home by "My Name Is Andong", which is admittedly only about potato chips, but he explains the science and history behind it pretty well and the quality of his videos is just *chef's kiss* ua-cam.com/video/UiJmmVd3kWI/v-deo.html
in my school we had the my plate, the old food pyramid, and the weird staircase pyramid. and i specifically remember being confused and pointing out that they were contradicting eachother. my health teacher acted like i was crazy and brushed it off
I remember being taught the food pyramid, the my pyramid one. I was taught it in kindergarten...and looking back I find it crazy how they wanted everyone to eat so much bread and grains
If there's one thing that rings true with this food theory trilogy, it just goes to show that "science" often isnt based on the scientific method, but whatever politics demand at the time.
The Alimentation Wheel: The Alimentation Wheel is a system that us close of the Mediterranean Sea uses. It's like that wheel (8:00) that USA used but a little different. If a group is bigger, is because you should eat more that and in the center is water. Is a little different of your "Food Pyramid" but not too much.
I went through three of these nutrition guides by the time I graduated high school. At this point I just try to eat a variety of foods, don't go overboard on sugar, and make sure to include fruits, whole grain, and veggies and hope that works.
@@commendedzuez0944 then you need to watch ‘what I’ve learned’ as he cites studies showing the vast majority of people in the west aren’t getting enough of the correct proteins
The “food pyramids” are always interesting to me, I live in Canada, and when I was in school and got a copy of Canada’s food guide, the cover was kind of like a four-colour food rainbow. I looked at some older versions of it, and it looks like it used to be a food wheel.
Hey MatPat, could you do a theory on the best value for an ice cream /milkshakes from various restaurants similar to your French fry episode. Would love to know which is the best and have been asking for a while
I remember judging our school's lunches based on whether or not we had all of the myPyramid groups. Then, we'd reorganise it to keep stuff we wanted (burgers, fruits, cheese) and throw out stuff we didn't like (veggies, whole grains).
I remember doing this as a kid, only I normally ate fruits and veggies and whole grains (the whole wheat rolls were gross tho) I also don't fully remember, but I'm pretty sure my school told kids ketchup counted as a veggie...my memory could be wrong tho
@@annasolovyeva1013Fool. If you don’t like it in its completely raw and unprocessed state, then it is mostly likely not meant to be consumed. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Keep eating grains like a feed lot cow
When MatPat talks about not having anything to replace Diet Coke, whoever edited the video put in a graphic of Diet Pepsi. Was the hilarious heresy intentional?
Not really a 'Theory' but something I've always been bugged by, more of a 'food history' - Why are hash browns an accepted breakfast food, while hot chips (or fries for the Americans), are not? Both are some sort of processed fried potato, so why one and not the other?
Yeah it's all about the cooking method, fries are deep fried or baked. Hashbrowns are shallow fried usually, making it easier and more efficient to cook with your other breakfast items
As someone from the U.K. I’ve only ever really heard of the food pyramid until now. We used to have the eatwell plate and now we have the eatwell guide and they are pretty good imo but I’ve only just found about about this.
Thanks for the episode. I remember getting in so much trouble in school as a kid for daring to question the food pyramid. This episode was very validating.
Dear matpat, love all of your channels!! I am 34 and have Been watching you since the start and have learned so many things that I didn’t know and even changed my views on things I thought I knew… you and your team and wife are nothing short of amazing!!
In Sweden we are taught "tallriksmodellen" (the plate model) rather than the food pyramid in school. So we do have another shape than the pyramid at 7:23 which by the way was produced by a food store and not any governmental agency.
If you like the carbonation I would suggest the Clear American drinks from Walmart. It’s flavored sparkling water but the flavoring is actually pretty strong so doesn’t just taste like barely flavored water. They are also pretty cheap at
"And this last one is empty because I still haven't found a replacement for diet coke" EXCUSE ME WHAT? MatPat has the worst memory ever, does he not remember Harris Teeter?!
I’ve actually got a friend who was struggling to find a good food pyramid, so I directed her to Harvard University. Thank you Matpat for helping us out with our school projects.
I actually went to an antique store and they had this old box of potato chips(imagine a wider pringles can) that advertised that it was processed and "easier to digest".
Because it is easier to digest. Mashed potatoes are one of my favorite foods to eat alongside meat for that reason. Needing to only chew 25% of my plate saves a lot of time eating without affecting my health.
I see a therapist to help with disordered eating. It's honestly shocking to find out everything I knew about food and health in general was a lie. This capitalistic bullcrap has ruined far too many lives.
As a swed born in the mid 80’s, the triangle wasn’t taught in schools. “Tallriksmodellen” aka the plate-model, which usually is a 30-30-30 model, was/is usually used as a guide. We even have a word for the specific model ( i.e. one third of veggies, one third of proteins and one third of grains). Sometime it was modified to introduce more veggies than grains. And as another commentator already stated; the triangle from 2014 is more of an add for a major grocery store. Just a little input and info :)
I never knew these things were official, I always thought it was a vague recommendation that we weren't supposed to look so close into. Never even had imagined they'd be telling you exactly how much to eat of each.
7:41 The ''New food pyramid'' shown here is actually not the recommended, but rather the average intake of food per year, for one person, *in Sweden, in 2014. It's making a statement about how unbalanced the average consumers diet is, compared to the actual reccomended food pyramid from 1974. The large triangle on the very top is labeled ''Tomma kalorier'', which literally means empty calories.
Yes thank you! Everyone seems to think that it is just propaganda to eat less healthy, when it is the opposite, meant to show that we need better guidance on what to eat.
TBH, I loved the representational method of that new WHO food pyramid of 6:56. It smartly shows mixture, separation, fusion, stratification, sub-categorization, inter-categorical and intra-categorical foods and all other words I may or my not have pulled out of my behind...
Can you do a video on the differences on healthy diets? For example in body building we generally believe that you should hit your macros on as much whole foods as possible but it's okay to eat processed foods in lower quantities and it's all based around exercise vs dietitians and recommended healthy eating. That would be so cool
im in high school now and remember my school using all three: the food pyramid, the other weird triangle, and my plate at the same time! we had all three posters up in the cafeteria hallway/ lunch line right next to each other!! like we thought it was just three different visual representations of the same thing bc we literally never read them.
I'm Canadian so I never saw this pyramid. We did have a similar concept in our food guide: the four food groups. It was proteins and meat, veggies and fruit, dairy, and grains. Each was separate by servings for males and females. In 2020 I believe they eradicated this idea and created a new food guide.
Dropped everything to watch this video The food pyramid lie was something I learned a while ago. But it's always great to learn more about how it came to be.
You guys should do an episode on whether or not shopping at Costco is worth it! A lot of people assume that buying in bulk = better, but I can think of several instances where that wouldn’t be the case
I know I'm super late on this but I wanted to add, that second triangle in the Swedish Coop model(a large grocery store chain) says "empty calories" and is likely on top because it's an optional group to eat, giving you less than the whole grain and more fiber rich options in the first.
I distinctly remember seeing the food pyramid everywhere in schools. Also, years later, when one of my teachers was asked about it, and promptly said, "Oh, you can just ignore that."
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I feel like my generation got skipped. In the 1980's just before the food pyramid, we had the 4 food groups. 1.Meat 2.Dairy 3.Fruit & Vegetable (yes these are both one category) 4. Grains
I grew up with that, it was used from 1956 to 1992 I believe. But I feel like people liked it a lot better (hence, why they kept it for almost 40 years). The main problem was that they didn't tell you how much of everything to eat, but they probably just figured people were smart enough to tailor it to their needs.
im part of the kids who grew up with the "my pyramid" and the "my plate" I always thought that these were stupid. (especially coming from a picky eater who eats very little to none fruits or vegtables.) Interesting to learn that they were quite arbitrary.
Growing up, I knew people who couldn't eat fruit, people who couldn't eat potato, gluten, cane sugar, milk, and/or egg. That's, uhh, 80% of the food pyramid right there. Meanwhile, indigenous tribes can survive off a diet of nearly pure meat/fish, latins survive off of a diet of pure rice&beans (with some cheap veggies), and the italians swim in olive oil and butter. It's almost like WHAT you eat is less important than other factors, like LIFESTYLE and QUALITY. Lamb isn't healthier than beef because it's more expensive (not directly). It's healthier because sheep are easy to raise on rocky soil, where cows are easy to raise on feedlots. Fish is only healthier than meat if the fish are living a healthier lifestyle than the meat equivalent. If a cow had a healthy lifestyle, it would be just as nutritious as your average lamb (and as tasty, as I can attest through personal experience.)
I find this video really interesting, not just because of what this means for the actual recommended diets for most people, but also because I actually learned about the amount of lobbying that went into the food pyramid from the Film Theory video about DHMIS. It's all come full circle, I guess.
This channel has everything, a catchy theme, comedy, education, memes and more, that's why I'm always excited when I wanna watch a video. Anyways matpat ever tried power scaling, power scaling is fun, you should try it sometimes
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After reporting every spam comment in this thread there are only 4 comments replying to yours (counting myself)
But wtf is power scaling?
@Beast 😈 you have 1 video lol
dear matpat, can you do a theory about discount prices? i feel like even when things are on discount, they keep the same cost
Yea i agree
Once they put a "discount" on a shirt
And it was 32 pounds
Also there was pizza i wanted
But to expensive🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Alice ❤️ WTH? No one will click on that link
@peace No one is clicking on that link.Forget it!
Yes I feel the same way some how so I would love for a video on that
@01_Qinar Ma wtf
I don’t think Matpat can look at a Pyramid without making a bill cypher or Triforce joke
Wow same
After reporting bots, there's only 2 replies to this including mine, dang
The other day, I made Triforce joke while talking to my grade 2s about 3-dimensional solids, and none of them knew what a Triforce was.
@@ceilinh6004 That makes me really worried about kids these days. I assume you dropped everything and educated them on Hyrule history?
@@ceilinh6004 how could they not know
Is anyone else surprised that there isn't a "The Conspiracy Theorist" channel yet?
Let's be real, he can't make a conspiracy theory channel or the governments of the world would catch on. Or even worse, the illuminati would catch every detail he put out
i think that might be coming
im surprised
im also surprised there isnt "book theory"
That would be too obvious. Lol
Cheng I loved ur Detroit become human stuff
A small note on the Swedish food pyramid used in this video (the double pyramid version, not the one from 1974). I'm Swedish and I got curious when it was brought up since I had never seen that version before. When I went to school I was taught something called "Kostcirkeln" (basically "the diet circle") which is a lot more balanced than the 1974 food pyramid, and I was surprised that it didn't get a mention in this video for that reason. Anyway, so I was able to track down the image used in the video and read the article where it came from, and quickly found out that 1) the image was created by a local grocery line here and isn't actually created by any kind of nutritional authority and 2) It isn't actually meant to be used as a dietary aid. Rather, the pyramid is a visualization of the average modern diet and meant to be directly compared with the 1974 pyramid. The reason why there are "two" triangles is because the top one (labeled "empty calories) doesn't have an equivalent in the 1974 pyramid since it consists mainly of nutritionless junk food. I also think it's probably to show that the average Swedish person eats more junk food than meat + dairy combined, since they take up a smaller portion of the pyramid. The data is based on information from the Swedish institute of agriculture (jordbruksverket) and is part of a 2016 advertisement campain by the COOP grocery chain. They basically want to inform the public about the poor general diet, as well as assure their customers that the grocery chain has plenty of nutritious products that they can use to better their diet :) I wouldn't call this "two pyramids pyramid" a food pyramid at all for this reason, since it isn't meant as a diet aid, rather a grim portrayal of the Swedish populations *actual* poor diet
I thought it was interesting since this episode is partially about the impact advertisements can have in spreading food misinformation and deceiving the public. If you actually would like to learn about the kind of diet recommendations that Swedish people are given today, I recommend looking into kostcirkeln. Even if you don't speak the language, most of the images are illustrated. I wouldn't say kostcirkeln is perfect- but at least it isn't like 40% soda and donuts lol.
when i was in preschool i saw a food pyramid with gluten and dairy, legit the exact two things im allergic to, and they said it's the most important part of any diet and i legit started crying thinking i was gonna die cause the two food groups i have to have to survive, i couldn't have.
You poor thing! ;-; How did your teacher handle that?
Well you will die, just not because of that reason 😉
This just proves that you can survive without stuff that these industries support! Look at vegans for example, they can live healthily without meat and dairy
I’d be sad if I had to be vegan
@@imame1433 ...you'd be sad if you had to care about animals?
The fact that this video isn’t called the food pyramid scheme is a huge missed opportunity in my opinion.
Multi-Level Malnutrition
@@vincenttt8289 I know, I just couldn't think of a better M word for an MLM joke.
@@vincenttt8289 _”fun”_ fact: you can actually still be malnourished despite being overweight/overnourished. Malnourished simply means a wrongful distribution of nutrients
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Here in Portugal we grew up with a food circle called “Roda dos Alimentos”. It featured 8 groups. In slices proportional to their serving sizes there were: vegetables, fruits, oil and butter (fats), dairy, proteins (meat, fish and eggs), peas and beans, carbs (potatoes, pasta and bread). What about the eighth? It was water! And it was right in the centre of the circle.
Thanks Portugal for making me realize that every single food chart I’ve seen has dairy on it and not anything about water, and seeing how much corporate lobbying was in this video I’m now kinda suspicious of this. I’m onto you big dairy
awe nice, we all need some water
i grew up with that and with the mediterranean diet, but my school said that the "roda dos alimentos" was better
everybody forgets water
In my school we have a “ Roda dos alimentos “ in the canteen. It’s been there for years. It’s right in the center when you are leaving you can see it. And I think that’s a good thing
I mostly grew up in the wake of MyPyramid and teachers just accepted it so blindly despite the fact it made literally no sense. Teachers didn't even bother trying to explain it to me and they mostly just told me it was the basis for our school lunches, even though we usually never got whole grains because the school couldn't afford it
lol
I appreciate that these videos show that the real conspiracies aren't consisting of microchips and space lasers. It's all about corporate lobbying and biases. Thanks MatPat!
Microchips are coming, but space lasers probably aren't.
@@RoninCatholic Actually, they could. Definitely not in the sci fi planet destroying sense, but as point attack weapons, it is definitely possible. Why risk men and equipment in a strategic bombing campaign when a satellite could do the same job with less risk of civilian casualties?
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Man I pointed so much of this out to my health teacher in highschool and she always just blew me off and discredited what I said. Sometimes she’d say ‘show me your sources and maybe I’ll talk to you’ but she never wanted to see it. I was so mad, I had done research and she just thought everything I had to say was some kind of argumentative ‘your teaching is bad’ kind of thing. Which it never was. Just saying, not everyone needs dairy and grains aren’t the only way to base a diet. Walking is better than no exercise and more exercise is better than walking. Ugh...old memories killing my brain...
Arguing with the health teacher my favorite past time but it’s not their fault there just doing there job and they can’t put in there own opinion
With that kind of dismissive closed mindset, I daresay they were right to be insecure because their teaching really is not great
That sounds right.
Careful not to go too deep... I keep making that mistake and running up against trauma that still has lasting physical symptoms.
Existing sucks XD
You should have talk to a journalist or the news channel. Tell them this has a interesting story. They can't resist. That will show your teacher and make that person mad.
I find it rather threatening that so many things we learn is because food industries are like
"We need to keep our money, so let's lie to our folks until they consume. Best teach it to our children in school!".
And you see this on Food Theory by just binging a bit! Like every third episode is 'bout some government or food industry pulling a pinnochio.
Because of this pyramid and not understanding what my body needs, I recently had to rethink my relationship with food. I lost 52 lbs when I stepped back, did research, and reevaluated my relationship with food. Thank you for making this video, Matpat. I hope this reaches the people who need to hear this!
Woah congrats on losing 52 lbs, that’s amazing! Im currently trying to lose weight and i feel like I’m not getting anywhere. What kind of research did you do?
@Lina Wael you lose weight by eating in a calorie deficit every single day. Which means eating less than your body burns a day. Start weighing your foods on a scale and track every meal.
@@Juliette_jules I tracked how many calories and what I eat and drink. I researched why I ate the way I did, which Noom helped a lot with.
I currently try to stay within a 1210 calorie budget, but can be a bit more if, say, the family Christmas dinner happens. One big, bad meal didn't wreck me.
When it came to planning work lunches, meal prepping really helped. Increasing vegetables and decreasing processed food like Hot Pockets (300+ calories each!!) or Hot Cheetos really helped.
Learning to read labels, understanding portion sizes, and balancing a good diet while staying within a calorie budget isn't easy, but doable! I had a hard time even getting to 1200 calories some days, but manage it most of the time now
@@Juliette_jules Solid suggestions so far but I'd say 1200 is a bit extreme. 1500 is minimum I would go, 1800 is easily achievable and will still let you lose weight, although at a slower pace.
Also, never think of Sports as "burning calories". The easiest calories to burn, are the ones that don't end up in your body in the first place
@@euchale calories are entirely based on the person, 1500 calories is a much different amount for a thin framed 4'9 person than it is for a wide framed 6'2 person
"Because I haven't found anything to replace Diet coke yet"
I-
*looks at the video where he decided he likes Harris Teeter diet cola more than Diet coke*
He's been brainwashed into forgetting 😮
Seriously though, this was a very interesting video. Could you do a theory about what fruit smoothie is the healthiest (and tastiest)? I love smoothies, but always get told how unhealthy they are
14:47 did he not have a video about how vitamin supplements are garbage? I find Matpat tends to forget about earlier episodes.
@@selalewow Maybe he should do an episode about what food helps bettering your memory 😂
@@selalewow I may be mistaken, but I don't think that they did a video on supplements. Also, I'm pretty sure that most doctors are of the opinion that supplements are fine if a diet (whether for health, religious, social, availability, whatever issues) can't get or get enough of a certain nutrient. It's just that they tend to be grossly overused and usually by people not in need of them.
How exactly? I'm confused. It's just dairy and fruit grinded up into a frothy liquid that you can drink.
I had to watch that part twice, because he said 'Diet Coke' but 'Diet Pepsi' was the picture. And yea, whatever happened with 'localbrand is better' and cheaper.
I actually wrote a paper on this topic last semester! It was about agenda-driven influence on science, and discussed how food industries lobby the US government in order to have a say in FDA nutrition guidelines. I mostly covered the MyPlate Guide, so it was really cool to see this video, which goes into a more comprehensive history!
What grade did you get?
Wait, can you share that?! Haha I would love to read.
Still waiting for op to post their project
Capitalism poisons everything
I distinctly remember being in my fifth grade health class, and getting to the part about the food pyramid only for my teacher to pause and admit that she was required to teach us the food pyramid as it is shown, but that the entire thing is messed up by the government, and that it’s completely wrong.
That's nice
Now that is a good teacher.
That potato thing is the truest thing I've heard all day. There was a few old bad potatoes that got thrown out but missed the trashcan and ended up behind them. I had potato plants growing in a mixture of gravel, dirt, and tar/asphalt whatever from when they tear up the roads to repave. It's very cold out for once in a few years, it's hit freezing temperatures multiple times. Yet last week I noticed I had a potato plant behind my trashcan
I pulled it and tossed it, because I don't want tar potatoes but. They really are resilient
thus you missed out on a balanced diet
I forgot I had a bag of potatoes somewhere in the cupboards. Those fuckers tried to grow in the corpses of their deceased friends while filling the cupboard with roots and sprouts.
@@birdgirl8390 better than having one potato of the bunch start rotting, attracting fruit flies and infecting the other potatos.... at least you now have a cupboard garden
What a way to end a Potato plant players grind
@@starsilverinfinity what a battle
It's funny that MattPat took one episode and showed so many people how easily "science" can be corrupted by money and how easily people fall for propaganda
Including publication bias, it is stupid how the people (their consumers) are not being given facts, instead only does things that are good for the business.
Sounds a little bit about this situation we are in now eh?
"tRuSt ThE sCiEnCe" - proceeds to utterly ignore it
It's simple; you look at the ones benefitting.
... Are y'all really turning an unserious episode of a comedic Food Theory UA-cam channel to justify your dumb anti-vaccination bullshit?
I never understood the whole "People in other place are starving, so you should eat this food" thing. If someone told me this, I would probably respond with, "Then give it to them. I'm not starving"
That's exactly what I said when my parents would tell me that
I think the idea is for people not to take the food we have available to us for granted. It’s easy to forget that the world of abundance people from developed countries are used to is not the historical norm and how in many places nutritional deficiency is a common problem. Pretty much be grateful for the fact you have food in the first place
@@123GOHANZ Yep that’s how I’ve always seen it.
The idiot in your name really fits… a lot of people don’t realize what a privilege it is to not starve to death.
And I probably would have high-fived you for saying that. It is accurate/correct.
A few series titles popped into mind:
"Feeding Lies", irony
"Fed the Lies", hitting the nail on the head
"Fed on Lies", hitting it again
"Food for Lies", play on words
"With a Side of Lies", another play
"Lie à la Mode", another play
If you like one, go ahead and run with it.
I'm partial to, "Hello, internet! Welcome to Food Theory: With a Side of Lies. Where we delve into the lies we've been fed about the food we eat."
That... surprisingly works. Most suggestion comments are like:
"yOu ShOuLd dO A tHeOrY aBoUt HoWs KFC aTtAckEd cHuCkiE chEeZe tHeoRY"
I love “with a side of lies!” That’s the best one imo
YESSSS
ahh these are so fun!!
Oh my god I can't believe this
I've been a fan of game theory and other theory channels for years now, always watching their content and this video has made my day.
At 14:18 it's shown a meme I've made over 3 YEARS ago. I finally made it into a theory video with my old meme. This caught me by complete surprise, I'm so happy. Thank you everyone on the theory team.
congratz😀😁
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Wow, crazy!
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This started the obesity problem in America. I've been saying this for years, finally someone else with a platform saying it
Yeah I'm glad Matpat made a video on this. I remember learning about how companies lobbied for their placement on the food pyramid, making us eat too much refined carbs but not enough fiber. No one gave much thought into it whenever I brought that topic, and now that Matpat covered it, it will hopefully reach an audience who cares.
Yeah same
I'm just looking at your food pyramid from Europe and I'm like "lol wut?"
These pyramids also came at a time when most Americans started traveling by car everywhere, to the point where you cant get anywhere without one.
These pyramids have obfuscated what a healthy and balanced diet actually looks like, while at the same time weve become less active by choice at first and necessity now.
Early 80s
Before that, people were rarely over 300 lbs.
The had the 4 food groups before
I remember taking a freaking test on the my pyramid thing back when I was like maybe 7-8, and you had to PASS it or else couldn’t do recess until you did.
I’m glad I’m not in school anymore.
That is bullcrap
I remember being told a lot of bullshit in school, I don't remember what it was exactly albeit.
It’s so cool that the Theory team can keep making the toys for 3 different genres in a week
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I'm gonna need to actually see some of these "topics/theories for another day". I've heard the phrase some many times recently... I've heard it three separate times in this episode alone! I would love to see MatPat actually address some of the overlooked talking points he has mentioned in his previous videos. An idea for the fourth channel perhaps?
I've said the same thing 😃, I think this video and the chicken nugget one were a "theory for another day" topic so I hope he addresses all the other ones at some point soon cause a lot of them are genuinely interesting
I just feel the need to share this here: I have a vintage lifestyle book (it's from ~1952), and it includes a recommended *daily* diet for a teenage girl. It is: 1 qt. milk, 1 serving cereal, 1 egg, 2 green vegetables and a green salad, 2 servings of fruit (1 citrus), 1 serving meat/fish, 3 pats butter, 4 slices of bread, and a potato.
That's not enough food for a day for me
That seems fine honestly, just kind of boring after a while
Yeah thats not far off from what i eat
That’s way too much for me. I am 5ft tall and despite being naturally very muscular still have a relatively low TDEE. FOUR slices of bread is too much in the way of carbs especially if you ALSO have cereal. Even just eating one or two slice of bread daily I start piling on the lbs, getting bloated etc. Sometimes a slice of bread has more sugar in it than a can of Coke! I would have 2 slices of bread OR the potato, but not both.
@@SobrietyandSolace dude it said the daily diet of a teenage girl includes ''1LITER'' of milk
In New Zealand I've always noticed that at the stores you have to walk pass a few junk food before you get to the fruits and vegetables aisle it's tempting not to buy the junk food while getting there.
Yes, in the retail industry it's known as the "impulse buy" display section & it is *absolutely* intentional.
Ever wonder why the Dairy section is inevitably in the very back of the supermarket or grocery store, forcing U to trek all that way & back again just for a lousy container of milk? It's all carefully planned so that you'll B that much more tempted by what U see along the way to throw more unplanned purchases (impulse buys) into your shopping cart or handbasket. In the US this gets turned up to eleven when U reach the checkout area: each & every cashier station has its own section of impulse buys, mostly candy bars & other forms of junk food (don't know if this is also true outside the US).
Junk food is literally food junk. It sucks, doesn't it?
I remember in high school, all of us getting herded into computer rooms like cattle so we could register on some stupid site, learn about the new food pyramid, and log our meals and exercise for the day. It was so strange how they pushed it on us, and it seemed really confusing after having that other pyramid shoved in my face during my entire grade school life.
Well, glad to know it was just my school that did this. Though I think we did it in Middle school?
I remember being really confused about food in elementary school in the early 2000s. At my school they had the 90s food pyramid, the my pyramid, and the my plate on the walls in the cafeteria and hallways leading to it. Looking back it really is just food industry propaganda.
You. the food pyramid is just as scientific as a Got Milk? add. It's all there to sell you a product.
The classic food pyramid was replaced in the mid 2000s
@@TheLastMillennials I'm aware but I grew up in a small town where everything is 5 years behind the rest of America. I'm pretty sure I could go back to that school and the same posters would still be on the walls.
As a kid who grew up with digestive issues, I couldn’t/still can’t eat things that are considered “healthy”, and I felt a lot of shame over that. This idea of a “perfect” diet also contributes to body image insecurities. They pushed this so hard onto us, it has unfortunately shaped our habits as we now become adults.
@@tabithaziol504 yeah everybody is different
I personally prefer to use the Simple Health Shape.
Never thought I would find Emo Abraham Lincoln on food theory
Doo doo da doo doo do it healthy
TOO MUCH WILL MAKE YA TEETH GO GREW!
You don’t need any of that stuff. You just need basic knowledge on what food sources contain the most protein, carbs, or fats. Then, as long as your exercising you can have anything you want in moderation
15:48 matpat talks about diet coke and it shows diet pepsi. i thought we went through this already
You all ever wonder why they called it the pyramid? Cause, it's a triangle. They only show us one side. Saying it's a pyramid implies there are other sides that they don't show us. And i really wonder what the food hierarchy looks on thevother sides
Ehehe i wonder what 3D artists will come up with if they decided to make use of this knowledge
@@sundalosketch4769 Just three different food pyramids from specific points in history. lol
Now here's some good thinking! I'll bet there is a side with a lot of meat and animal fats at the bottom and some legumes and potatoes on top. The exact opposite of what they would like to see us eat.
@@statinskill I just learned about the "Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score (DIAAS)." To me, it looks like you won your bet.
Dark internet, show me the forbidden food pyramid sides!
Know what I appreciate about Food Theory? The consistency with the intro. Game and Film Theory always use unique ones to tie into the subject, so we never really see the usual ones.
I’m actually writing a paper on the MyPlate food graphic right now and had been having a writers block. This video has actually given me some more ideas to write about! Thanks man!
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here's my own take of the food pyramid/triangle situation
when i was younger i was taught to have somewhere between 5-8 cups of water a day, and when i took around 3 cups, I felt it was too much. same with food; dont have so many calories, eat more protein, eat more of this food. I was living a long-lasting nightmare, but now that i am older and much smarter (but still very stupid), I know how to live life with your own standards. drink as much water as you want but still drink water, if you have a problem with nutrients and minerals such as less sodium, iron, vitamin A, or an increase in those things, fit your diet to naturally curve to your needs. less sodium? more salty foods. more iron? less high iron foods. Its now what i know and you need to know, so if you're young drink like 2-3 not 5-8. and fruit is one thing you should be counting on for nutrients that taste good to you. veggies can even be made tasty on some cirumstances too.
I remember being told I need to drink 8 cups of water a day as a kid. Kids don't need that much because that's the recommend amount for a grown adult. And now I know the amount of water someone's body needs normally depends on their weight, diet, and the amount of exercise they get
5-8 cups of water a day is calculated for fatasses who eat so much junk food with so much sodium that 5-8 cups of water becomes a daily necessity... I only drink that much or maybe even more when I am working outside in the middle of the summer, but at that point I'm so drenched I could make a towel wet.
@@MoodyMickey Urgh you reminded me of when I was at my doctor the last two times;
"How many cups of water a day?"
"I do the 6-8 cups routine"
"You need 8-10"
I come back next time...
"How many cups of water a day?"
"I do 8-10 as you suggested"
"Well you need 6-8 because any more is too much"
It's like no matter what you're *always* going to do it 'wrong' even if the problem needs to be completely made up to make you fail.
Parents forget that the 8 glasses of water per day is the total amount of water you should consume, including the water in your food. So if you eat food containing a lot of water, you don't need to drink as much.
I always heard the phrase as "There are children starving in Africa."
Also, maybe those ounces are also volume. Like 8 oz to a cup, ya know?
Yo I'm African and eating rn
@@izegbuwaidumwonyi1690 Big same! Whenever I heard it I wanted to say.
"Lemme me just call my cousin and check you on that."
In the 80's there were in the area of Ethiopia especially. That was big in the entertainment industry and led to things like USA for Africa (We Are The World), Band Aid (Do they know its Christmastime at all) and the Live Aid concert. Before that it was common to say "don't waste food there are starving kids in China" but more accurately was Southeast Asia
I always thought it was those mission trips, that interfered with developing nations by culture shock and forcing schools, that ultimately caused people to live in starving nations.
Before the children were taught how to hunt and gather, then after the kids were distracted by shiny stuff and no one learned how to even get food.
Interference in development, "sending aid" cost external resources and can only last so long, ultimately degrading a people.
Small exchanges and learning how a people live and sharing knowledge and wisdoms with what's on hand, what is useful and non invasive; this will build up all parties involved.
If there are starving kids anywhere in the world, it's likely because someone was trying to force their values, and then left right after a turning point.
I always thought that was dumb. Like...how is my decision to eat or not eat something going to impact someone living in Africa?
Dear Matpat, would it be possible to make a video on the myth that Warm milk helps you to sleep better?
(My mom STILL forces me to drink milk before bed, and only a scientific debunk of this myth can save me from my misery)
It already exists. It's the video on Thanksgiving Turkey that mentions it.
It's like chicken soup making you feel better... if your told something/do something since childhood.. it can cause a placebo affect... your brain has been tricked to associate warm milk = sleepy...
But it is thought that warm drinks can be calming.. so that's a factor.. but that's can be anything; tea, hot coco, ect
Lol in my family my mom thinks drinking milk is bad
It varies from person to person. Some people are intolerant, some people thrive on it. The genetics involved are a bit chaotic, so there's no way to predict if milk is good or bad for you based on your parentage. That said, if your body is telling you to avoid milk, I would listen to it's advice.
Warm drinks in general calm your body down, milk is generally recommended as it doesn't have caffeine or excess sugar, it really doesn't need to be milk things like herbal teas and even light soups would work just as well. A lot of it is just placebo but it does promote muscle relaxation and having something to focus on to just be in the moment without invasive thoughts. I would assume having to drink something you don't like just before bed would negatively impact sleep quality.
I still want evidence that these nutrition guidelines actually change diet, by what means (like is it consumer choice or do the suppliers change their mix in a way that alters consumption patterns) and also how selectively is the advise taken up (like do people eat more fats but not eat fewer carbs, if the advise suggests an increase in the percentage of calories from fats but not an increase in total calories etc.).
What the RNA vaccines today and CDC today
It's generally consumer choice which then impacts supply. It's not all that effective on adults it's more used as an educational tool for children in schools alongside more in depth nutrition knowledge. In australia anyway, I can't speak personally about the nutrition programs in other countries
@@okayfriendd1704 Clearly the intension is often to affect consumer choice often by educating children before they start making food choices, where is the evidence that it actually succeeds in doing that.
Also, what about say the food served or supplied by charities or hospitals or the meal plans of universities. If those change based on national nutrition guidelines that to me is different from consumer choice. although it is not a supplier in the sense of a farmer, butcher or baker.
@@okayfriendd1704 here in the mother country the government pressure food companies with threats of legislation so they "reformulate" their foods and drinks to meet the government's "obesity guidelines" either by shrinkflation or by adding artificial sweeteners. This puts me in the uncomfortable position of having to support COCA COLA of all companies as they are the only fizzy drink company that didn't capitulate.
in my experience (which admittedly isn't scientific), it mostly seems to affect what kids and prisoners get fed for their meals. I'm sure the first one that was pounded into us back in the 90s affected consumer choices, but after several confusing fails, I bet the later ones had less effect.
This was so funny I nearly choked to death laughing so hard. The dairy cow in a suit of all things LOL
Fun thing, once my mom said to me to eat my vegies cause there where kids starving, i, as a kid, think 7-8 years old, tought about it and said "well, then take it and mail it to them! I dont like this, maybe they will"
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Turns out veggies taste amazing when they aren't served blandly steamed with no spices and margarine as your only spread option! I still shudder when I think of my grandfather's cooking.
My own mother used to think she hated brussels sprouts till I served her some roasted, pink salted and covered in REAL butter.
Yeah I thought the exact same thing "If there are kids starving, why should I eat food THEY could have"
@@pillowkitty6 In other words, they only taste good when you can't taste them anymore.
@@pillowkitty6 But when they are served blandy they are more healthy. With butter they are less healthy. Specially, if they are fried or something. Heating the vegetable too much destroy health nutrients in it.
I know that this sounds very bad. But there are some people who cook in a healthier way and some in a tastier way. Maybe your grandpa tried to cook in a healthy way because he cared about you and your mon's healthy.
I believe that the use of the "new" Swedish food triangle is misused, the image shows both the 1974 and the 2014 versions, and it's an ad from a major grocery store that attempted to use this image to increase their sales of empty calories products like sweets and chips. It says the numbers come from jordbruksverket (the Swedish Board of Agriculture). A proper source would be livsmedelsverket (the National Food Administration)
I'm not convinced you didn't just mash your keys for that one
Ja det har du förmodligen rätt i det gick så fort så jag hade inte tid att läsa allt men jag såg också att det stod 1974 och 2014
I am fine with livsmedel because that's Lebensmittel but, jordbruk, wtf? Yard-break?
@@statinskill jordbruk = agriculture. jord = soil, bruk = usage.
Actually if you look it up, the 2014 pyramid shows how we Swedes eat tooday, not how we SHOULD eat. It shows our actual eating habits. It’s actually meant to show that the food pyramid does not work since we clearly don’t follow it, and it needs replacing
I grew up type-1 diabetic, so we got our own special food groups that were actually closer to that old circle where butter and margarine got it's own group, except it was called "fats and oils".
They used to put the little symbols on some food packaging.
I grew up with the mystep pyrimid, and it made sense to me: It represents proportions rather than exact sizes. If you eat a lot of meat and beans, you'll have to eat a LOT of fruits and veggies. If you eat less, you are further up the pyrimid. Eat more and be further down.
In Canada we've adopted a plate as well, but it suggests a quart to be full grains, quarter "protein foods", half to be fruits AND vegetables, and to "make water your drink of choice".
Sounds very much like the Dutch model, though we have moved some tubers like potatoes from the greens to the grain section and we have a small fifth section for butter and cooking oil
A random theory Idea: how to make the a chip with the loudest crunch, What would that chip would it be made of? (corn, wheat, potato etc.) and how the cooking method needed to provide that crunch (like deep fry or kettle cook for example). Maybe there some secret to it. I am curious
Wow this is actually an elite idea
I just watched a video about making crunchy chips at home by "My Name Is Andong", which is admittedly only about potato chips, but he explains the science and history behind it pretty well and the quality of his videos is just *chef's kiss*
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Deep fry it in cement then dry it under an airdryer
I think GMM did something along these lines.
in my school we had the my plate, the old food pyramid, and the weird staircase pyramid. and i specifically remember being confused and pointing out that they were contradicting eachother. my health teacher acted like i was crazy and brushed it off
I finished school not understanding any of them, and this was definitely part of why.
Fax
Teachers are not as smart as we might think
@Zenvian yeah that’s probably it, I never even knew what a food pyramid was until this video
I remember being taught the food pyramid, the my pyramid one. I was taught it in kindergarten...and looking back I find it crazy how they wanted everyone to eat so much bread and grains
If there's one thing that rings true with this food theory trilogy, it just goes to show that "science" often isnt based on the scientific method, but whatever politics demand at the time.
Yes
Indeed
Think you're forgetting the capitalist interests here, as they are the biggest lobbying forces.
Sounds a bit like the situation in the world now
@@Zeverinsen politics have a lot to do with the economy, usually influencing each other more than anything else.
0:48 we need more of that series, we REAAALLY need more of that series...
The Alimentation Wheel:
The Alimentation Wheel is a system that us close of the Mediterranean Sea uses. It's like that wheel (8:00) that USA used but a little different. If a group is bigger, is because you should eat more that and in the center is water. Is a little different of your "Food Pyramid" but not too much.
its super weird that thing is taught in my country in school but no one on the internet talks about it.
Internet be like: Triangles > Circle
You know it's going to be a good episode when he mentions the illuminati at least 4 times in the first minute
True
@fine No
What the CDC approval of RNA vaccines
@Beast 😈 why would u put down another channel to boost ur own no one wants to subscribe when u act like that
I went through three of these nutrition guides by the time I graduated high school. At this point I just try to eat a variety of foods, don't go overboard on sugar, and make sure to include fruits, whole grain, and veggies and hope that works.
That's literally the recommended guidelines nowadays so yeah you're doing well
Gotta get that protein. The vast majority of people don’t get enough
@@overdose8329 I get a lot that's why I don't focus on it too much. What I really lack though is exercise.
@@overdose8329If you eat enough calories you basically do, since protein is virtually in every food. Don't see it as a problem in the western world.
@@commendedzuez0944 then you need to watch ‘what I’ve learned’ as he cites studies showing the vast majority of people in the west aren’t getting enough of the correct proteins
The “food pyramids” are always interesting to me, I live in Canada, and when I was in school and got a copy of Canada’s food guide, the cover was kind of like a four-colour food rainbow. I looked at some older versions of it, and it looks like it used to be a food wheel.
food rainbow sounds very cool to me!
Matpat back at it again, we didn’t need it, but enjoyed it!
Hey MatPat, could you do a theory on the best value for an ice cream /milkshakes from various restaurants similar to your French fry episode. Would love to know which is the best and have been asking for a while
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God I hate these bots. Great episode idea thought, I’d love to see it
@@supreme_king_obama1158 So do I man
@@tytyfamilygamer14 seriously, them bots are multiplying or something
So many bots...
"finish your food, people in where ever are starving"
Every company: This is almost at the sell-by date/discontinued! (tosses good food in trash)
I remember judging our school's lunches based on whether or not we had all of the myPyramid groups. Then, we'd reorganise it to keep stuff we wanted (burgers, fruits, cheese) and throw out stuff we didn't like (veggies, whole grains).
I remember doing this as a kid, only I normally ate fruits and veggies and whole grains (the whole wheat rolls were gross tho)
I also don't fully remember, but I'm pretty sure my school told kids ketchup counted as a veggie...my memory could be wrong tho
If you don't like veggies and whole grains - you're serving the wrong things or in a wrong way.
@@annasolovyeva1013Fool. If you don’t like it in its completely raw and unprocessed state, then it is mostly likely not meant to be consumed. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Keep eating grains like a feed lot cow
When MatPat talks about not having anything to replace Diet Coke, whoever edited the video put in a graphic of Diet Pepsi. Was the hilarious heresy intentional?
Not really a 'Theory' but something I've always been bugged by, more of a 'food history' -
Why are hash browns an accepted breakfast food, while hot chips (or fries for the Americans), are not? Both are some sort of processed fried potato, so why one and not the other?
It's socially acceptable to put syrup on hashbrowns, can you say the same for chips?
Yeah it's all about the cooking method, fries are deep fried or baked. Hashbrowns are shallow fried usually, making it easier and more efficient to cook with your other breakfast items
Hashbrowns normally aren't cooked in as much oil as chips/fries. Also, Hashbrowns are not processed.
Hash browns are accepted as what? Since when we're chips ever accepted as breakfast food wtf
@@EvilParagon4 you put syrup on hash browns?!
Ive learned more about nutrition and the human body from Matpat than I have from every science teacher Iv ever had
I grew up with the food plate in elementary school, we literally had PE activities where we would sort different foods onto the plate!😂
As someone from the U.K. I’ve only ever really heard of the food pyramid until now. We used to have the eatwell plate and now we have the eatwell guide and they are pretty good imo but I’ve only just found about about this.
YES the eatwell guide is good, because it actually shows EVERYTHING
Thanks for the episode. I remember getting in so much trouble in school as a kid for daring to question the food pyramid. This episode was very validating.
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"The Food Industry : Dairy Strikes Back" is honestly not that bad of a video title for exposing Big Dairy's crimes [1:00] [13:13]
Dear matpat, love all of your channels!! I am 34 and have Been watching you since the start and have learned so many things that I didn’t know and even changed my views on things I thought I knew… you and your team and wife are nothing short of amazing!!
In Sweden we are taught "tallriksmodellen" (the plate model) rather than the food pyramid in school. So we do have another shape than the pyramid at 7:23 which by the way was produced by a food store and not any governmental agency.
Probably depends on when you where in school
Bruh, tallriksmodellen is much better
2:34
I don't very often laugh at his jokes but that's a good one
This guy can take ANY Food, Game, Movie, and just transform it to some Theory! This guy is a genius!
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Yes! Haha!
This video has already been more help than all the articles I've read about nutrition as I'm trying to find a healthy way to eat.
Finally, I needed someone to make this video!!
why did the bots target ur comment dude
If you like the carbonation I would suggest the Clear American drinks from Walmart. It’s flavored sparkling water but the flavoring is actually pretty strong so doesn’t just taste like barely flavored water. They are also pretty cheap at
Or get your own carbonation machine. Way cheaper, and you can adjust your drink to have the perfect level of carbonation.
"And this last one is empty because I still haven't found a replacement for diet coke" EXCUSE ME WHAT? MatPat has the worst memory ever, does he not remember Harris Teeter?!
He mentioned needing something more easily found.
Maybe he's struggling to find something that's not soda but still tastes good to him :)
I still don't get how anyone can enjoy diet coke.
I’ve actually got a friend who was struggling to find a good food pyramid, so I directed her to Harvard University. Thank you Matpat for helping us out with our school projects.
When Food Theory uploads on a weekend you know is gonna be a great week upcoming
I actually went to an antique store and they had this old box of potato chips(imagine a wider pringles can) that advertised that it was processed and "easier to digest".
Because it is easier to digest. Mashed potatoes are one of my favorite foods to eat alongside meat for that reason. Needing to only chew 25% of my plate saves a lot of time eating without affecting my health.
I see a therapist to help with disordered eating. It's honestly shocking to find out everything I knew about food and health in general was a lie. This capitalistic bullcrap has ruined far too many lives.
you are confusing "capitalism" with "crony politics". or did you not watch the video?
@@mythmurzin Tell us all how none of this has anything to do with capitalist greed, LMAO
@Zentosi
It was about as capitalist as Karl Marx and Josef Stalin.
I'm in college and they still taught me My Plate
@@autonomousAcquaintances Harvard must be not sponsored by dairy because their plate has water at the place of milk. And they add "healthy oil".
As a swed born in the mid 80’s, the triangle wasn’t taught in schools. “Tallriksmodellen” aka the plate-model, which usually is a 30-30-30 model, was/is usually used as a guide. We even have a word for the specific model ( i.e. one third of veggies, one third of proteins and one third of grains). Sometime it was modified to introduce more veggies than grains. And as another commentator already stated; the triangle from 2014 is more of an add for a major grocery store. Just a little input and info :)
I never knew these things were official, I always thought it was a vague recommendation that we weren't supposed to look so close into. Never even had imagined they'd be telling you exactly how much to eat of each.
7:41 The ''New food pyramid'' shown here is actually not the recommended, but rather the average intake of food per year, for one person, *in Sweden, in 2014. It's making a statement about how unbalanced the average consumers diet is, compared to the actual reccomended food pyramid from 1974. The large triangle on the very top is labeled ''Tomma kalorier'', which literally means empty calories.
Yes thank you! Everyone seems to think that it is just propaganda to eat less healthy, when it is the opposite, meant to show that we need better guidance on what to eat.
TBH, I loved the representational method of that new WHO food pyramid of 6:56. It smartly shows mixture, separation, fusion, stratification, sub-categorization, inter-categorical and intra-categorical foods and all other words I may or my not have pulled out of my behind...
Can you do a video on the differences on healthy diets? For example in body building we generally believe that you should hit your macros on as much whole foods as possible but it's okay to eat processed foods in lower quantities and it's all based around exercise vs dietitians and recommended healthy eating. That would be so cool
Whew... think we need some time to digest all of this. In the meantime, what's everyone ordering tonight??
Oh ur very sneaky i am coming for u grubhub i have eyes everywhere
sneaky i see
@@manbehindthewindow7168 someone finally found it
WTH
ngl ima order a can of food
im in high school now and remember my school using all three: the food pyramid, the other weird triangle, and my plate at the same time! we had all three posters up in the cafeteria hallway/ lunch line right next to each other!! like we thought it was just three different visual representations of the same thing bc we literally never read them.
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So you're a internet zoomer
5:35 this was unasked for
Ikr I was about to fall asleep
I'm Canadian so I never saw this pyramid. We did have a similar concept in our food guide: the four food groups. It was proteins and meat, veggies and fruit, dairy, and grains. Each was separate by servings for males and females. In 2020 I believe they eradicated this idea and created a new food guide.
1:02, how about “ Nutritious or Suspicious?” Or “Delicious or Suspicious?”
Dropped everything to watch this video
The food pyramid lie was something I learned a while ago. But it's always great to learn more about how it came to be.
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You guys should do an episode on whether or not shopping at Costco is worth it! A lot of people assume that buying in bulk = better, but I can think of several instances where that wouldn’t be the case
I know I'm super late on this but I wanted to add, that second triangle in the Swedish Coop model(a large grocery store chain) says "empty calories" and is likely on top because it's an optional group to eat, giving you less than the whole grain and more fiber rich options in the first.
I have a feeling once mat goes back to diet coke he'll think its to sweet and probably find a healther option
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Youre awful
Matt: "The World Health Organization or W H O"
Me: The Who???🤣
6:05
I distinctly remember seeing the food pyramid everywhere in schools.
Also, years later, when one of my teachers was asked about it, and promptly said, "Oh, you can just ignore that."
Lol
Basically, be wary of anything told or given to you by large corporations.
Matpat: Ask a scientist.
Editor: *Shows picture of Human Centipede surgeon*
"But where's dairy?"
I got you bro, 12:55
Can you do a food theory about spicy foods? Do spicy foods help fight against tooth decay and parasites?
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tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
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“…you become a super soldier for the inevitable WW3”
that aged well
lmao he really implied that slav(e)s chimping out at eachother is WW3
Theory idea: is the term, "the whiter the bread, the sooner your dead" really true? in terms of loaf bread, that is?
I feel like my generation got skipped. In the 1980's just before the food pyramid, we had the 4 food groups.
1.Meat
2.Dairy
3.Fruit & Vegetable (yes these are both one category)
4. Grains
Same. And it was in the not nearly as fun square box. I miss that a lot.
I grew up with that, it was used from 1956 to 1992 I believe. But I feel like people liked it a lot better (hence, why they kept it for almost 40 years). The main problem was that they didn't tell you how much of everything to eat, but they probably just figured people were smart enough to tailor it to their needs.
im part of the kids who grew up with the "my pyramid" and the "my plate" I always thought that these were stupid. (especially coming from a picky eater who eats very little to none fruits or vegtables.) Interesting to learn that they were quite arbitrary.
Growing up, I knew people who couldn't eat fruit, people who couldn't eat potato, gluten, cane sugar, milk, and/or egg. That's, uhh, 80% of the food pyramid right there.
Meanwhile, indigenous tribes can survive off a diet of nearly pure meat/fish, latins survive off of a diet of pure rice&beans (with some cheap veggies), and the italians swim in olive oil and butter. It's almost like WHAT you eat is less important than other factors, like LIFESTYLE and QUALITY.
Lamb isn't healthier than beef because it's more expensive (not directly). It's healthier because sheep are easy to raise on rocky soil, where cows are easy to raise on feedlots. Fish is only healthier than meat if the fish are living a healthier lifestyle than the meat equivalent. If a cow had a healthy lifestyle, it would be just as nutritious as your average lamb (and as tasty, as I can attest through personal experience.)
They have the my plate outside of the cafeteria and nobody uses it
The classic food pyramid was replaced in 2005. You're probably a internet zoomer
@@TheLastMillennials Your comment seemed condescending but yes, I was born in 2005. I'll be 17 later this year making me gen z
I find this video really interesting, not just because of what this means for the actual recommended diets for most people, but also because I actually learned about the amount of lobbying that went into the food pyramid from the Film Theory video about DHMIS. It's all come full circle, I guess.