Should You Buy the 3M Performance Spray Gun?
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- Опубліковано 8 гру 2023
- In this Episode we settle the debate of how good or how bad is the 3M Performance Spray Gun! Love it or Hate it, you will find out how I feel about this spray gun in this episode!
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Starting from the bottom up is one of the best hacks. Cause if something goes wrong it's in the least visible spot. I'll do this from time to time! Good job!
I use to have alot of dry areas on the bottom wow it was bad lol.
@@PaintSociety we all slip up from time to time
I do this when I know booth is contaminated
Love this spray gun! I use it for multiple primers, base coat and clear coat from glasurit. It handles anything with ease. Also its nice to have a plastic gun that I don't feel bad scratching by accident.
When the boss makes you shoot 5 colors or more in the same booth, this thing is my best friend. Love the channel. Cheers!
The multiple colors is where this gun wins all the time. Ty for watching
I've had the opposite experience with it since it doesn't spray that great, just passable for quick insurance work, but anywhere moving that many things through a booth should be making enough to just buy multiple higher quality spray guns that negate any time saved and spray better
My friend pete,you are a good teacher in painting.Greetings from a amateur painter in Sweden 👍🇸🇪
I love it for sealer, makes clean up easy
I really like your channel because the paint on your projects looks fantastic (the blue is GREAT). That's why I subscribed to your UA-cam channel a long time ago. There are a few thinggs I'm not fond of, running bare hands over the panels, wiping the wax and grease remover by going left and right (should be one direction and fold the wipe), last but not lease is shaking clear coat to mix (creates bubbles in it), that drives me nuts. It works for you so hey, keep doing it. Your paint looks great when it'd done.
Your videos are awesome and have inspired me on how we can get your attention!
Awesome job Brian. You really go above and beyond explaining all your procedures. I like the 3M gun. Does a decent job. Super easy to clean. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Thanks Jim! One more day to rest. I painted this one today
Dude you’re a machine.
Great video Brian thanks for sharing.
I actually used a 25 dollar princess auto (hobo freight) gun to put down my base and then switched to a devilbiss FLG 4 Finish Line gun for the clear and I could see and hear the difference of the better quality spray pattern.
Try switching the guns, the expensive one to spray the base and the cheap one to spray the clear. If you know what you're doing you're gonna understand that the last coat of anything, whether it's base or clear, it is going to take the texture below it. So, would you want to lay your clear coat over a very smooth base coat knowing that the clear is going to take the texture below it? Or, would you spray your clear over a very rough orange peel base coat and let the clear automatically take the shape of the base?
@@juanrivera8566 it’s a one and done job … turned out awesome
@@juanrivera8566I am doing that from times to times to emulate a "thicker" finish when it's due. But in the rest, I just use some quality scotch Brite to run over base to get much closer to factory settings.
What you've suggested is good, it's a trick worth adding to your book but experimenting is the key
I found one of these in my shop when i transitioned from body to paint. Bought some tips and it's been a good little gun it would be cool if they made tips for pps original since that's what I'm using with my other guns but these definitely have a place and function
Brian , great video as always. I notice some of the time you don’t you a wet bed . I’m a professional painter in Michigan. We use PPG . They recommend you use a clear base on all metallic colors . I always use it even on solid colors.
Great video as usual. I use that gun everyday with the exception on clear coating, painting multiple bumpers & only having to clean just the nozzles is nice and I don’t have to own 4 guns. As far as clearing, sometimes I start at the bottom, sometimes from the top, sometimes I go from bottom the 2nd coat from top. There’s no right way. Next time you clear, try using a 1.4 tip, you can always up the psi to 23-25 with no issues. Keep in mind, hvlp guns need to go slower cause of the lower psi, and with that 1.2 tip(I know that’s your favorite size) you would need to go slower then normal to wet it up, I’ve tried the 1.2 and didn’t like them for clear.
I sell 3M and have sold a few of the spray gun tips. It just rubs me the wrong way that they are a designed to fail part. All my guns have been swap meet scores where people just never cleaned them and pick them up for cheap. A good cleaning and they are as good as new. I stopped counting after 20 the number of guns I have now!😆
Thanks for the comment on the trigger pull whilst you were clear coating as its something i have wanted a painter to answer. Do you release or not release the trigger after the stroke. Appreciate the constant awesome content 👏
You can spray either way it doesn’t matter.. it’s just preference
i like the performance for clear with the 1.3 . tho i did take it up as a challenge when the rep lent us one years ago to do a full job with one
Another great content Brian! You’re in my TOP 3 channels when comes to painting. You’re doing great! Keep going that way!
*PS. I would like to see you painting with SAGOLA 4600 Extreme TROPHY TRUCK and hear your opinion on how it perform for garage painting. Thank you in advance. Stay safe brother! 🙏
What are the other 2 channels in your top 3?
Kudos to you on working in that semi down draft booth. That air is moving fast. Almost as fast as some straight up cross flow booths.
Ty!
personally i have no desire to try the 3m gun out. That said, i did find some great ideas from a different section of this video. I am a hobbyist. little more then a diy guy but not as much as a pro. maybe 20 or so jobs a year. now I have noticed im struggling to keep vision on my edge spraying from top to bottom. you just made some very valid points I never considered so Monday I got a Chrysler 200 I'm going to try and shoot from bottom up and see if that helps me. Thanks for the idea man I really appreciate it.
Report back n let me know how it works
Hi Brian
I absolutely recommend you the newer 3M Fine finish nozzle. Especially the 1.3 Fine finish nozzle. You should try it for clear coat. Way more better atomization and faster than this HVLP nozzle.
Keep up the vids!
Good job!
Cheers!
Hello, the fine finish nozzles are they fit on the hvlp gun? Or are the guns the same?
Hey love your videos, i just wanted to know what are the steps on painting a brand new bumper that already comes with primer?
Dont know if I would call them most efficient. Minimal air consumption with minimal overspray is what makes a gun efficent. Tuff to beat the efficiency of the Devilbiss DV1-B and DV1-C. I use the B-1 and C-1 aircaps at only 8psi to 12psi and the overspray is atleast 20% less than my overspray was when I was using Walcom Genesi 360 light HTE guns. 3M has kind of gone to sh*t with some of their junk. I still use their sand paper and PPS 2.0 cup system but stuff like their buffing compounds, spray guns, regulators, clay bars, ect kind of suck
Looks good dude but can you blend a Is chameleon pearl color is 3 different colors green blue and teal when you look at it at different angles how would you go about blending this or does the whole car need to be painted ?
I always love the content here I painted a few things from the guidance of this channel, and I actually own this gun. I definitely don't got your skills but I found better success with the 1.3 than the 1.2. I like the 1.3 with base and definitely clear.
Yes. I also like the 1.3 for clear
The professional model is probably good but i had issues with the one that the nozzles that snap it i guess it newer model.
Surprised to hear this about 3M accuspray, I really like them for the exact reasons you mentioned on this video.
Same, everyone I've known that used them has really liked them. At my old shop everyone in the paint shop had one. Now the old accuspray I hated with a passion. They would pop off after a few uses.
Have to one too and love it… I don’t clear with it
This is not an accuspray gun. That was first generation. This gun is completely diff
what a great video!
Glad you liked it!
Would you be able to do an episode on medium to full wet coats?
Still dropping solid tutorials friend
Now if i can figure out how to get that work i want to do vs all these i hate doing maybe id be a happier guy
I would recommend a 1.3 tip for clear. I used the 1.2 at first but wasn’t sure I was getting enough clear on the panel after 2 coats.. so I checked the next one before and after clear and was only getting about 1.8 mill thickness with the 1.2 tip. That being said I switched to the 1.3 to get a little more material on. Everyone sprays differently and maybe you wouldn’t have the same results as I did but it’s just a thought. I have 8 of these 3m guns and use them exclusively for all aspects of the paint job with top notch results! I love the 3m gun
You ever use the pressure feed connector with a pot?
Well what I learn from you you can make anything get the job done because you got the skills the know-how and you never forget that it's just paint 🎨 😂😂 keep it coming 💪
Right on. Thank you!!
@@PaintSociety thank you appreciate the tips and tricks that you have shared they have helped me along nowhere near ur level but as you say the learning never stops when the video ends keep it coming
Do u have a video of buffing a panel right after paint?
Excellent job could you try a sata x5500 I tip gun on clear
I’m in the process of painting my motorcycle myself and I’ve never painted before so I know I’m not buying a top of the line spray gun but yet i want a good paint job, so what do you recommend I buy , I probably will only use this a couple times, unless it comes out really good , I might paint all my bikes
Laying that clear seemed like you would definitely get a run 🏃♀️ but makes sense when you say the 1.2 is not throwing it down so heavy … I used a 1.8 and I had to get moving a lot faster once I realized how much product was going down
Clear coat out of a 1.8? What that is crazy
@@fiys567 I could be wrong .. I have to check …
First.. I’m a big 3m fan and especially of the performance gun. Doing multiple colors at once this gun makes it a breeze. They are coming out with RP style tips soon so be on the lookout for them. Tips sizes offered are 0.9 for uv. 1.2 1.3 1.4 sealer base clear 1.8 2.0 for primer. Awesome job sir. I recommend them for primer, sealer, base and some clear. If clearing with it I would do 1.4 is better than the 1.2 or 1.3
Yes sir. This gun gets the best all around award!!
@@PaintSociety I agree 💯 % best bang for your buck
i have this gun and love using it. what are rp style tips?
@@walkerandrews8892 the tips currently available on 3m performance gun are HVLP style. They have redesigned some
Tips to mimic sata RP tips which means Reduce pressure. Some people prefer reduced pressure tips to get more material out.
@@juanmata2433 will these tips require different settings
In factory we are using SATA for 800€ for paint repares. But for my project i will use something much cheaper 🙂
I bought one for the ease of cleaning since I don't spray daily
How do you feel about using this gun for single stage paint?
I have a custom and restoration shop and looking to get a new gun setup I'm looking at a 3 gun DV1 setup for $1,800 what is your true true opinion of the 3M over the DV1 ?
do you worry about screen in cup hurting the metallic paint
i use this gun to paint furniture, what capacity compressor would you recommend
The most hated gun in the industry is hi-point lol
I have a feeling based on location they / he didn't get this , but 100% agreed!
I tear down and even r/i my own doors in the name of simplicity and efficiency all the time. Gotta get it done! Still pays better than running around crying to the estimator and body man trying to get it supp’d for.
I agree 100% Brian. That accuspray pos left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth so they automatically just write off the Performance gun. Like you, I HATE cleaning guns, this thing changed my life lol
Yup. Thats basically how it all went down.
Dont take it as a hate but how do you get so poor coverage that you have to do multiple coats with black? I use water base and one coat is always enough in a scenario like this. (I am kinda new-ish to painting and I've never used anything other than water)
Was that 2k clear coat? I thought you had to wear an air fed mask?
Brian, I'm not even a novice. I painted my 02 Silverado earlier this summer. It turned out just OK. However I did learn things.
Are you telling us that you can get a quality finish from just about any gun, given a little time with it??
You can get a good finish by adjusting settings. Not every gun is going to be capable of a quality finish. You can still get a quality finish out of some cheaper guns less than 200 which isn’t bad at all. More expensive guns are going to spray fairly well without much adjustment or even technique. Try out the Eastwood concours lt100 for clear coat. Thing lays clear and atomizes it very well. I just painted for the first time and the clear coat came out extremely nice with the lt100 only a bit of orange peel which was still a lot less than all new cars these days.
@@fiys567 That's what I bought for that project. Like I said it turned OK. Repainted just about every panel trying to get things better. Frustration in action🤔🤔
@@ronallen6578 Did you use the lt100 for clearcoat and base? I used the lt100 just for clear because it’s the only gun I have that my compressor will keep up with at such a high psi. I used a kiwami4 for base coat. I ran the lt100 at 33 psi wide open material slightly dialed in fan and it sprayed beautifully.
@@fiys567 Yes, both base and clear. I used my trusty Harbor Freight $15 purple gun for primer. Actually had to toss 1 when the epoxy primer set faster than I thought it would--DUH😱😱. I have sprayed a lot of lacquer in my woodworking over the years and figured how different could it be?? Like I said, I've never done any body work along these lines. Lots of you tube videos, talking to several body guys locally and just pure stupidity on my part thinking I could do this. I don't think there was a single panel I didn't end up spraying 2x. Hood I actually hit 4 times??? It ended up turning out ok, but I'd sure like to know then what little knowledge I managed to acquire through this. At 67, not to many more opportunities going to fall my way.
Yeah you did get a great finish with those spray guns. I gave mine away and I’ll never go back to them. I bought the full paint suit and absolutely love it. Thanks for offering your merchandise from the channel 🙌🏽😁
Thanks for supporting the channel!!!!
I only use that gun for primer
It’s slow but I love having it on hand for the high production days.
Are you spraying Akzo water borne?
Solvent
@@PaintSociety your technique is close to mine except I use a 1.3 for base and a 1.4 for clear.
Good informative videos.
what is the pros and cons of not letting the trigger go?
Achy finger 😀
looks good, do you never use air fed masks?
thanks!!
If you’re in a booth with air moving in and out an air fed mask isn’t going to be really needed because most of the chemicals and fumes and paint is going to be taken out and there will be enough oxygen in the booth for your mask to still work. But air fed masks are always preferred that’s the only true way to stay as healthy as possible just super expensive
Fresh air system is the only way to paint.. anyone that doesn’t use one is killing themselves.. please take care of yourselves fellas
so I dont really understand why thats the right way to do it... Aren't you just going to have the same issue with potentially different metallics now between the front door and the fender or the rear door and the quarter panel?
No
Nah no hating on the spray gun. 3M's products are always trustworthy and durable to work on cars. Also, there is such a variety of colors to pick on!
Yep, I had a gun like that , threw it in the trash after a month . Ihate PPS ! Just give me a regular gravity feed HVLP , Im good .
I dont see how this gun would ever be a good choice for a diyer since the finish is okay but nothing spectacular, most $2-300 guns spray at a similar if not better finish and the cost of tips would overtime well outweigh the cost of a better spraygun.
For a high production shop it doesn't make sense either,I spray for an international auction where at least 15 cars a day need to be sprayed and on some days where theyre all small 1-2 panel jobs it can be as high as 20 cars going through. In each of the two booths i can have 5 different colors. We use ppg envirobase and theres quite a bit of solids in that paint, its almost sandy to a degree and those chunks sometimes push through PPS filters. We use Sata Jet 5000RP's and recently ANI 200's. The sata rps cups dont have the filter grit push through issue the pps cups do and the guns spray better. Its faster for me to just grab another gun that already has the paint cup attached to it for a different color or material than it is to fuck around getting the nozzle on, half the time the needle doesn't even sit properly in the nozzle and the only cup shstem compared is PPS. A can of high powered spray gun cleaner with have a gun spitting clean in 30 seconds and after that clean the gun is still rock solid, the same cant be said for these plastic nozzles that degrade with every spray and clean.
We demoed these guns for a month and found not only did we waste MORE time cleaning the nozzles and lining them up but when they start to degrade around the 10th-15th use they both waste time switching to a new nozzle and the cost jver time makes no sense either. It was more economical for us to buy 5 Sata jet 5000B's than it was to buy 5 of these 3m guns and the subsequent nozzles needed after 5 packs of replacement nozzler per gun, meanwhile the satas would still spray like new at no increasing cost.
For the DIYer its an expensive gun that sprays okay, not great, and costs as much as a pair of the HF Black Widow guns that both spray better and the diyer isnt under the time constraints where the 3M gun tries to market efficiency
The 3m gun is only really good in a shop wherebits the only gun being used and there is only one of them so the "quick" nozzle cleans and swaps are a real plus, but realistically a shop needing to squeeze every minute of efficiency out like that would also be netting enough revenue to pay for multiple spray guns
Love the gun. I can spray anything with it. If you haven’t tried it………..you should.
you deserve a vacation
The problem with the 3m guns is they break .
I use 3m spray gun everyday and i think its very good..
I painted bicycles in the 70 s with spray bombs …. I’ve never met a gun I don’t like !!! …. If anything it’s about the longevity in terms of quality not spray quality
Do you like this gun over the Accuspray?
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can u paint my knight rider for your car video for free :)
Hate seeing a gun used on black!!
ok I have to ask. What would you use to lay black paint?
Not sure what he means by his statement either
The 3m gun is amazing, a black blend job is kinda cutting what the gun can do short,that's all I'm saying.is it clear enough now???
@@christianbeahm8171 yes. You originally said “a gun” not the 3m gun ty.
I understand now thank you. when you had originally just said just "hate seeing a gun used on black" it had looked as if you were saying that you didnt like to use a spray gun to paint black, so I had been a little confused. I do believe the video was more geared more towards the guns capabilities and not the actual blend itself. but again thank you fore clarifying that for me I was mistaken there, I apologize and thank you for clearing that up for me.@@christianbeahm8171
The 3m performance gun in 2024 costs almost $800. You can buy cheaper guns that are just fine if you are just needing to paint one car in your garage diy style.
I just got mine cups, tips nd everything for about $350
100% recommend this gun! I've done 1 full car, and about 30 collision repairs with it. Being able to swap between clearbase to base is brilliant, and the cleanup is just amazing. I found I get a better finish with clear at ~25psi, while shooting all other material at 20psi.
My only gripe is that I'm getting a TON of overspray and subsequent wasted product. I've adjusted fluid at 4 turns from closed (3m recommended), and even when resistance starts at trigger.. no dice.
Any thoughts Brian?
Thanks again for all your lessons.
Do you ever blow thinner through it when let's say using a heavy primer? That stuff can be like cement.