For home charging, as I only charge once or twice a week I schedule it, like you, as a one off. I have never bothered with the calendar because it doesn't fit with my irregular charging habits. The charging scheduler on RLink has always worked perfectly for me over the last two years, even sending me an sms when charging starts and again when it finishes. Very reliable. Perhaps you could look at my routine and see if there is anything that you are not doing or doing differently : Do not connect cable yet > Go to RLink menu > vehicle > electric vehicle > charge scheduler > Edit your start time (hours and minutes) > Select > Done > Close and lock car > connect cable. Be sure you connect cable before your programmed start and not after that time otherwise you'll be pushed on 24 hrs. Hope it all works out Ian.
Ian, you will find plenty of info on this problem on RZOC - it is worth becoming a member. They are on FB too. I think you have to make sure the normal charging mode is cancelled in order for the timer to work.
Hi I use the one off charge to stop my car from charging in the winter as it seems to keep my 12v battery charged . I do not want to leave the car in fully charged .if I do not do this I get the check electrical system as the car does not get used much in winter. I set the time so it is 15 mins before the actual time .and the symbol stays on the dash and does not charge until I select charge always except for the odd wobble.
does it only make that thud sound when on timer ? what about when the Zoe is NOT on a timer ? That thud sound is the high power solenoid clicking on and off. i.e. the high current to the Zoe is turning on and off
ah ok. so the engineering side of me thinks that when the solenoid engages (makes the thump sound), the charger looks for current draw (i.e to see if it's charging) then if not after say 30 seconds. then the solenoid disengages and the cycle starts again or, the solenoid engages and only then talks to the car (kind of 'do you ned to charge' and the car communicates back 'no its not the set time yet'
use the calendar , there are menu items to allow you to set up one day and then copy it to all other days, across the week or weekends, etc. so it’s pretty quick to do Check it before you leave the car
Sounds like the contactror in the charge unit is trying to connect but keeps dropping out. The contactor is the electrically controlled switch that switches the electric on to the car. Does the car charge ok without the schedular or do you get the same thumping noise? The car and the charge point communicate when you first plug in to make sure everything looks ok, once the charge point is happy it closes the contactor to start the charge. My guess is the car started the communication with the charge point at midnight received the right signals form the charger and the contactor tried to close. For some reason the contactor closes but immediately opens again. This way the timer on the car resets as the car thinks the charge is started. I would start by restarting the charge unit by switching off the circuit breaking in your consumer unit and see if it fixes the problem.
The 'Start Charging At' option is a once only setting and it reverts to Always Charging after it has done this. However, I don't think the Zoe uses its own clock for this or the calendar options. These are controlled via the ZE Services servers and occasionally you can get a fail if the car loses its connection to the server for some reason. If you want it to do this every night, then the Calendar would be a better option and easier to set up via the ZE Services site than in the car. This is applied to the car from the server and should show up on the R-Link within a minute of two of being activated.
As a follow up to this, we've been having an issue with the Calendar on our ZE40 (worked fine with our R240). It was starting charging as soon as we plugged in, despite the calendar being set and selected. Changing the start time to 00:15 from 00:00 sorted this, so I do think the midnight setting causes problems. Maybe starting at 00:15 on your begin charging at will resolve the problem you had Ian.
Hi lan, I just bought a used ZOE loving it went to charge it the other day and it will not charge. No timers set no BCI errors. It’s been tripping all the chargers we plug it into? Any ideas the car has no warranty
It going back to “always” charging will have happened probably because it started charging using the timer, but it’s failed to charge. The middle one I believe is a one off timer, falling back to always afterwards. Must do it when the charge is unsuccessful too. The charger failing to kick in and making the thunk noise I have no clue. On my chargemaster unit the Zoe will occasionally use a tiny amount of energy until the charge kicks in. Perhaps this is tripping the Evolt unit. Best to talk to installer I think.
Ian i had a very similar issue. Occasionally our Chargepoint requires a reboot. I only use the middle daily charge schedule and the clunk means that the Chargepoint has passed the electricity to the car. Normally in our case when i hear the cluck and the timed schedule symbol is correctly on the screen then i know it will work. When its gone wrong the Zoe sometimes flashes red on the nose or the dash powers off completely. In these cases a reboot of the chargemaster device always fixes it. I dont know what evolt chargers are like but maybe start by powering if off/on again. As with most electrical stuff these days this seems to fix it. Also don’t plug the cable in before you set the timed schedule otherwise it will probably start charging immediately
The charge scheduler does work for me on the original battery Zoe, but I think it still causes the charger to make the clunking noise all night which I don’t like. I can’t hear it in the house but I’m just concerned about accelerated wear on the charger.
Is it possible you made the easy error of setting the calendar, pressing select but then forgetting to click ‘done’? I’ve made that mistake a few times... check the charge timer symbol is showing on the dash display to confirm
Fiona, yeah it disappears and cant work out why just yet, I set it whilst leaving work, plugged it in (it didnt start charging right away) then got woken at 6:10am to find this. Need to do some more testing. :)
Ian Sampson good luck! Let us know when you solve it. My problems have been if I forget to hit ‘Done’ or if I try to use the app (which seems to work only on mobile data for me, not on wi-fi 🤷♀️
You really do need to start using the club a lot more for your answer and questions :) I didn’t think you tube was a forum hahaha. Get yourself over on FB or the main site :P
Ps I set the leaf to start charging at 8.50pm (just before I go to bed) so I get two hours of standard rate electricity and then from 11pm onwards it charges at the overnight rate until I start at 3.50am. But thankfully I get to see it start charging before Zzzzing it.
Charge timer needs to be set before you plug in. If you set it while it's plugged in it will not stop charging and it will reset when the time has past.. If you want to use the charge timer unplug the car, set the timer, plug the car in.. The ZE logo will flash blue in a heart beat kind of pattern.. This will turn off after a few minutes and the car will start charging when the time set is reached.. If you unplug the car beforehand the charge timer will reset to always charging a few minutes after the time of the timer has past. I am unsure why the charger is doing the clicking.. It is possible it goes into a weird comms loop when it hits the time set if you start a timer while the car is charging.. I should test that.. Maybe the car says start the charge and the charger stops instead.. Calendar works in a similar fashion but like I don't use it.. You set the times you want to car to charge in. If you plug in during one of those periods it will charge.. Outside of this the car will not charge..
To be clear - the timer was set BEFORE it was plugged in (did it when leaving work...where its not on charge). Forgot all about it until I got woken at 6:10 in the morning :) Plugged in or not plugged in it doesnt work. Could it be like others have suggested i need to set it to 00:15?
Slightly different problem - has anyone got a problem with charging stopping after around 2 hours but it restarts if you unlock the door? It is a complete nightmare.
Calender the only one does not reset.. After the night. Downside you need to do the timed for the hole week Ian.. I did try say on your last stream mate
100's of comments on the stream so most likely missed its meaning (although you are who I am talking about when I mentioned the calendar). Although I am getting a massive mix of people with same problem, some say it never works on any, some say they cant use calendar due to how they need to charge, some saying set to 00:15 and then it will work etc etc.
Ian Sampson I ran the timer one.. But all ways found it gonna back to default In the morning.. Even after the charge that night. I found the calender one the only one which seems to stay on.. So I use that.. Like the leaf used too.
Hi Ian just a thought. There is no such time as 00.00 the twenty four hour clock would go to 24.00 then onto 00.01. I would try setting the timer at 23.45 or 00.15 and see what happens. As I say just a thought
Another person who only see's what they want to see. The chart highlighted shows both 00.00 start of day and 24.00 as end of day. What I was only suggesting is that the timer on the Zoe may not work because it doesn't recognize midnight. It was only a suggestion as I have never used it on my R90 if you have Oliver and it works then I stand corrected.
Another person who only reads what they want to read. Check out the section "Midnight 00:00 and 24:00" in response to your sweeping comment "There is no such time as 00.00". It's OK to admit to learning new things.
Oliver, Oliver I do not intend to get into a slanging match about this. As I said before IT WAS ONLY A SUGGESTION, perhaps you should try it instead of just trying to pick holes in things that other people suggest to help.
This is one of the main reasons why I wanted the leaf as an evolutionary design not being brand new from the ground up. I hate owning brand new designs for at least one year after production. Thankfully apart from the bad seat design touch wood the newish leaf is impeccable. I'll be interested if the point needs a software update like my pod point needed?
Fancy a Bev Mate? Can't imagine a timer issue has anything to do with an updated traction battery, the new leaf has rapid charge issues, which the previous car did not, so I guess you pay your money and takes your chance.
Never use delayed charging. I do know it needs to be off when you try to fast charge, that must be reason it switches off after closing the car. Relay in wallbox might be bad. Or a door was not closed properly (or door sensor was/is slightly misaligned) Also, you know you can change the digital display above steering wheel? And the “ze voice” for pedestrians? Hold the disable voice button for that, or the card button next to display for the regen-bar with blue for easier e-braking.
I want to once again thank you Ian. You made me understand an EV car. Would love meeting you in person. I’m on my way from Dorset back to Black Country, fortunately I don’t have to stop charging in Model X
Christopher Webb No, it’s 6.10am as you can probably tell (mentioned multiple times in the video) - small kids in the bed...hence whispering - talking in my booming voice would wake them up and the neighbours. Although my phone on mid volume I can hear my voice and individual words just fine so not sure what’s happening your side!
For home charging, as I only charge once or twice a week I schedule it, like you, as a one off. I have never bothered with the calendar because it doesn't fit with my irregular charging habits. The charging scheduler on RLink has always worked perfectly for me over the last two years, even sending me an sms when charging starts and again when it finishes. Very reliable. Perhaps you could look at my routine and see if there is anything that you are not doing or doing differently : Do not connect cable yet > Go to RLink menu > vehicle > electric vehicle > charge scheduler > Edit your start time (hours and minutes) > Select > Done > Close and lock car > connect cable. Be sure you connect cable before your programmed start and not after that time otherwise you'll be pushed on 24 hrs. Hope it all works out Ian.
Ian, you will find plenty of info on this problem on RZOC - it is worth becoming a member. They are on FB too. I think you have to make sure the normal charging mode is cancelled in order for the timer to work.
Hi
I use the one off charge to stop my car from charging in the winter as it seems to keep my 12v battery charged . I do not want to leave the car in fully charged .if I do not do this I get the check electrical system as the car does not get used much in winter.
I set the time so it is 15 mins before the actual time .and the symbol stays on the dash and does not charge until I select charge always except for the odd wobble.
does it only make that thud sound when on timer ? what about when the Zoe is NOT on a timer ?
That thud sound is the high power solenoid clicking on and off.
i.e. the high current to the Zoe is turning on and off
Yeah only when its on the timer.
ah ok. so the engineering side of me thinks that when the solenoid engages (makes the thump sound), the charger looks for current draw (i.e to see if it's charging) then if not after say 30 seconds. then the solenoid disengages and the cycle starts again
or, the solenoid engages and only then talks to the car (kind of 'do you ned to charge' and the car communicates back 'no its not the set time yet'
use the calendar , there are menu items to allow you to set up one day and then copy it to all other days, across the week or weekends, etc. so it’s pretty quick to do
Check it before you leave the car
Sounds like the contactror in the charge unit is trying to connect but keeps dropping out. The contactor is the electrically controlled switch that switches the electric on to the car. Does the car charge ok without the schedular or do you get the same thumping noise? The car and the charge point communicate when you first plug in to make sure everything looks ok, once the charge point is happy it closes the contactor to start the charge. My guess is the car started the communication with the charge point at midnight received the right signals form the charger and the contactor tried to close. For some reason the contactor closes but immediately opens again. This way the timer on the car resets as the car thinks the charge is started. I would start by restarting the charge unit by switching off the circuit breaking in your consumer unit and see if it fixes the problem.
Yes, works perfectly, its literally this scheduling that's causing the current issue displayed in this video.
The 'Start Charging At' option is a once only setting and it reverts to Always Charging after it has done this. However, I don't think the Zoe uses its own clock for this or the calendar options. These are controlled via the ZE Services servers and occasionally you can get a fail if the car loses its connection to the server for some reason. If you want it to do this every night, then the Calendar would be a better option and easier to set up via the ZE Services site than in the car. This is applied to the car from the server and should show up on the R-Link within a minute of two of being activated.
As a follow up to this, we've been having an issue with the Calendar on our ZE40 (worked fine with our R240). It was starting charging as soon as we plugged in, despite the calendar being set and selected. Changing the start time to 00:15 from 00:00 sorted this, so I do think the midnight setting causes problems. Maybe starting at 00:15 on your begin charging at will resolve the problem you had Ian.
Will look into this, thanks for the info.
I am suspecting that 00:00 is the issue. Set it for 01:00 and see what happens.
Cheers will do some testing soon.
Hi lan, I just bought a used ZOE loving it went to charge it the other day and it will not charge. No timers set no BCI errors. It’s been tripping all the chargers we plug it into? Any ideas the car has no warranty
It going back to “always” charging will have happened probably because it started charging using the timer, but it’s failed to charge. The middle one I believe is a one off timer, falling back to always afterwards. Must do it when the charge is unsuccessful too.
The charger failing to kick in and making the thunk noise I have no clue.
On my chargemaster unit the Zoe will occasionally use a tiny amount of energy until the charge kicks in. Perhaps this is tripping the Evolt unit.
Best to talk to installer I think.
Ian i had a very similar issue. Occasionally our Chargepoint requires a reboot. I only use the middle daily charge schedule and the clunk means that the Chargepoint has passed the electricity to the car. Normally in our case when i hear the cluck and the timed schedule symbol is correctly on the screen then i know it will work. When its gone wrong the Zoe sometimes flashes red on the nose or the dash powers off completely. In these cases a reboot of the chargemaster device always fixes it. I dont know what evolt chargers are like but maybe start by powering if off/on again. As with most electrical stuff these days this seems to fix it. Also don’t plug the cable in before you set the timed schedule otherwise it will probably start charging immediately
The charge scheduler does work for me on the original battery Zoe, but I think it still causes the charger to make the clunking noise all night which I don’t like. I can’t hear it in the house but I’m just concerned about accelerated wear on the charger.
My timer 2 setting never works on my leaf but timer 1 does
The 'clunking' noise is the contactor (large relay) inside the EVSE (charging point box). As to why it is not just doing wha it should....?!
Is it possible you made the easy error of setting the calendar, pressing select but then forgetting to click ‘done’? I’ve made that mistake a few times... check the charge timer symbol is showing on the dash display to confirm
(I notice when you first got in the charge timer symbol wasn’t displayed. This shouldn’t disappear unless you select ‘always charging’)
Fiona, yeah it disappears and cant work out why just yet, I set it whilst leaving work, plugged it in (it didnt start charging right away) then got woken at 6:10am to find this. Need to do some more testing. :)
Ian Sampson good luck! Let us know when you solve it. My problems have been if I forget to hit ‘Done’ or if I try to use the app (which seems to work only on mobile data for me, not on wi-fi 🤷♀️
You really do need to start using the club a lot more for your answer and questions :) I didn’t think you tube was a forum hahaha.
Get yourself over on FB or the main site :P
Trouble is its facebook, and not logged in that often unless its work stuff!
Or main forum :) which we have you know :P
What does the calender say?
Ps I set the leaf to start charging at 8.50pm (just before I go to bed) so I get two hours of standard rate electricity and then from 11pm onwards it charges at the overnight rate until I start at 3.50am. But thankfully I get to see it start charging before Zzzzing it.
You must use calender!
The other one is only onetime!
stili774 yup calender works
That is good to know, had mine a year but never use timer because electricity the same price all the time for me.
Maybe you need to set timer after plugging car in to stop people not charging in public because they forgot they had a timer set?
Charge timer needs to be set before you plug in. If you set it while it's plugged in it will not stop charging and it will reset when the time has past..
If you want to use the charge timer unplug the car, set the timer, plug the car in.. The ZE logo will flash blue in a heart beat kind of pattern.. This will turn off after a few minutes and the car will start charging when the time set is reached.. If you unplug the car beforehand the charge timer will reset to always charging a few minutes after the time of the timer has past.
I am unsure why the charger is doing the clicking.. It is possible it goes into a weird comms loop when it hits the time set if you start a timer while the car is charging.. I should test that.. Maybe the car says start the charge and the charger stops instead..
Calendar works in a similar fashion but like I don't use it.. You set the times you want to car to charge in. If you plug in during one of those periods it will charge.. Outside of this the car will not charge..
To be clear - the timer was set BEFORE it was plugged in (did it when leaving work...where its not on charge). Forgot all about it until I got woken at 6:10 in the morning :)
Plugged in or not plugged in it doesnt work. Could it be like others have suggested i need to set it to 00:15?
Ian Sampson I can't see that being a issue. Well, it shouldn't be.. But I'm very tempted to try this out for myself..
Slightly different problem - has anyone got a problem with charging stopping after around 2 hours but it restarts if you unlock the door? It is a complete nightmare.
I do have it where it doesn’t do anything unless I unlock the door (it half boots up the car, and the triggers the charge)
Hmmm #ChargeTimerGate? hahaha. Let's hope you can figure it out :)
Lol, no its more like #usererrorgate
Calender the only one does not reset.. After the night. Downside you need to do the timed for the hole week Ian.. I did try say on your last stream mate
100's of comments on the stream so most likely missed its meaning (although you are who I am talking about when I mentioned the calendar). Although I am getting a massive mix of people with same problem, some say it never works on any, some say they cant use calendar due to how they need to charge, some saying set to 00:15 and then it will work etc etc.
Ian Sampson I ran the timer one.. But all ways found it gonna back to default In the morning.. Even after the charge that night. I found the calender one the only one which seems to stay on.. So I use that.. Like the leaf used too.
I found the Zoe’s own charge schedule completely unreliable and instead use the charger to do the schedule.
Why don't you read the manual
finn elvers any idea the page it’s on as Cant see it.
Hi Ian just a thought. There is no such time as 00.00 the twenty four hour clock would go to 24.00 then onto 00.01. I would try setting the timer at 23.45 or 00.15 and see what happens. As I say just a thought
0000 does definitely exist - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24-hour_clock
Another person who only see's what they want to see. The chart highlighted shows both 00.00 start of day and 24.00 as end of day. What I was only suggesting is that the timer on the Zoe may not work because it doesn't recognize midnight. It was only a suggestion as I have never used it on my R90 if you have Oliver and it works then I stand corrected.
Another person who only reads what they want to read. Check out the section "Midnight 00:00 and 24:00" in response to your sweeping comment "There is no such time as 00.00". It's OK to admit to learning new things.
Oliver, Oliver I do not intend to get into a slanging match about this. As I said before IT WAS ONLY A SUGGESTION, perhaps you should try it instead of just trying to pick holes in things that other people suggest to help.
And I was only trying to teach. Don't get so defensive.
It means you ran out of credit. jk, try not turning the screen off and/or not pressing home or return, just choose the charging time and walk off.
This is one of the main reasons why I wanted the leaf as an evolutionary design not being brand new from the ground up. I hate owning brand new designs for at least one year after production. Thankfully apart from the bad seat design touch wood the newish leaf is impeccable. I'll be interested if the point needs a software update like my pod point needed?
Fancy a Bev Mate? Was the Zoe not first released in 2012 ? Hardly a brand new design.
PlanetCypher This vehicle has an updated battery as I would have thought a new interface for the battery including charging etc. Cheers
Fancy a Bev Mate? Can't imagine a timer issue has anything to do with an updated traction battery, the new leaf has rapid charge issues, which the previous car did not, so I guess you pay your money and takes your chance.
Never use delayed charging. I do know it needs to be off when you try to fast charge, that must be reason it switches off after closing the car.
Relay in wallbox might be bad. Or a door was not closed properly (or door sensor was/is slightly misaligned)
Also, you know you can change the digital display above steering wheel? And the “ze voice” for pedestrians? Hold the disable voice button for that, or the card button next to display for the regen-bar with blue for easier e-braking.
I hope the new ZE50 doesn’t do that1
rain = check connectio to car is dry
👍😊
Go back to Nissan Leaf Ian
Back to a 24kwh, no chance! :)
I want to once again thank you Ian. You made me understand an EV car. Would love meeting you in person. I’m on my way from Dorset back to Black Country, fortunately I don’t have to stop charging in Model X
Glad they have helped! Lucky you - the model X has great range :) Which version do you have?
P90D
Cool, all gone well? Any issues?
user error!!!
Jonathan Meazza answer is? (!!!)
Evolt
First
Speak up, please.
Christopher Webb No, it’s 6.10am as you can probably tell (mentioned multiple times in the video) - small kids in the bed...hence whispering - talking in my booming voice would wake them up and the neighbours. Although my phone on mid volume I can hear my voice and individual words just fine so not sure what’s happening your side!