One trick I forgot to include in the video is one shared by MBX to help get maximum capacity from their mags using a MagLula: m.facebook.com/watch/?v=552463548772591&paipv=0&eav=Afb-XiNEfAEsWySrZys-0GjIFQVoPgzYIK0PggAR157wDir8-Vc_57U4hpfqqb3c_Uc&_rdr I've found this trick works very well in the CZ mags as well to help get the stack ordered properly and ensure the top round has sufficient support. It also tends to make the mag easier to seat when fully loaded. This, plus a visual check that there is no gap between the top two rounds in each mag you put on your belt is the "best practice" when loading to 29 in my opinion.
I used the method he shows here on my mags and it worked perfectly. Thanks again. I've also had Grahams followers turn over sideways in the mag. Not good.
Thank you so much for the info. Can't believe it's that simple. I have one 170 mag body i've tortured to tune.... it works ish ... but not reliable. I was so concentrating on the dimensions from the forums. Thanks again.
I'm not really sure where the dimensions come from originally. Enough folks have had success with following them that I assume they are at least close to correct, but I think the visual-based tuning is a lot more approachable for most folks.
Excellent breakdown of the problem and solutions. I was unaware of much of that information. Personally, I've been very fortunate with all 3 of my guns (originals plus the replacement gun). I use untuned CZ ghetto bigsticks with CZ Custom springs, followers and basepads, and have no issues at all (I won't say never, but it's pretty close to never). Even when I go to 30 + 1, which I can do once the spring is a bit worn. I load roundnose bullets relatively short at 1.145, so I suspect that helps a bit.
I suspect it's something do do with your specific load and bullets (Blue Bullets, if I recall correctly). I didn't do it on camera but during filming I did try to cycle one of my 9 Major rounds through the un-tuned big stick and it jammed just like the JHP. Granted, the Springer 170mm extensions are less friendly than the factory big sticks since a sizeable portion of the stack sits below the control ribs when fully loaded.
Thank you. I’ve been looking for the solution for two years. Grams Engineering won’t answer any emails or phone calls and I had to badger CZ to fix the original mags.
I've heard of folks just mailing their mags with a note to Grams and getting an invoice within a relatively short timeframe. Hopefully this video impowers more folks to do it themselves since it's very achievable at home.
My 15k review video goes into the upgrades I've made minus the Sebo Comp, brass grips, and popples, which were added after that video and included in the recoil tuning video.
Jordan the 'COMP' Gods smiled on me today. I received the Sebo Ti comp this morning and it screwed on perfectly, better than the OEM comp! Thanks again for your help, it taught me a bunch. Your help is well appreciated!
@@jordan-rogers-uspsa I received my Czechmate today and found out that the thread of the compensator doesn't fit perfectly. I can over-tighten the compensator a bit so that the slide no longer closes. how about yours?
@@jordan-rogers-uspsa My Czechmate was made in 2022 and I noticed the mag release is slightly shorter than my TS 2's mag release button. Eric Grauffel said in his video of the TS 2 Orange that CZ shortened the mag release. Maybe Sebo machined the gen 2 comp based on the new guns.
@@Revy1993 That's not really an issue since the guide rod retains the compensator with the Czechmate design. Is there an unsightly gap between the comp and slide when it's backed out? If so, you could contact CZ and see if they'll fix it (either with a new barrel or adjusting the slide).
Outstanding video! I've done everything you show to my mags but I had to find different tweaks in different places. You have everything in one place. One note - the tuning is exactly the same for the CZ big sticks as it is for the short mags with the 170 extension - I feel like those are more reliable than the extensions but I have no evidence to back it up. I'm curious about the optic mount you have - did you have issues with the single sided mount? Again - thanks for another fantastic video.
The factory big sticks are probably a bit easier to tune because even with the short CZC extension the bullet stack never goes below the control rib (the follower might though) -- it still has the issue with the double stack to single stack transition though so they are not 100% reliable, especially with JHPs. I swapped to the double sided mounts for two reasons. (1) screws will loosen eventually, with 1/3 loose there is a good chance you need to re-zero the gun, with 1/5 loose you can probably just re-torque the loose one and be fine. (2) I had two Romeo 3XL dots break with relatively low round counts (2.5k and 5k) when using the CZC mount -- I heard via a Sig sponsored shooter that the optics department recommended double sided mounts for Open guns and all of the RMAs for dots on Open guns came from single sided mounts... seemed weird to me, but I figured in combination with (1) it was worth the swap. Both of mine survived all last season but I can't definitively say it's the mount swap, improved QC from Sig, or Sig gave me hand-picked replacements after my RMAs.
Are there no springs that will last through being fully compressed? I have not heard of springs getting weak in normal OEM mags, is it right that this is all because the spring is at the absolute limit of "what will work" just to get max rounds in a magazine of a maximum length?
It's less of an issue with OEM mags than it is with mags with extensions. With OEM mags there is usually more spring than necessary, so as the spring compresses over time there is still plenty of energy to feed every round. As I mentioned in the video, I've never replaced my 140mm mag springs. Once you are adding extensions and extended springs the springs are usually designed to be "just enough" to feed reliably for a while maximizing capacity. For example, if my 170mm springs had two more coils they might never need to be replaced, but I would probably loose one round of capacity because 29 is a really tight fit. You can stretch springs out if they become too compressed, but they'll never go back to 100% new position so stretching is only a stop-gap until fresh springs.
I did it myself. It wasn't strictly necessary with Montana Gold FMJs because I can load them out to ~1.165 without needing to ream, but for most other projectiles it is required to load them long enough for 9 Major
Hi Jordan. Great video. What do you think about 26 rounders mags + CZC base pads (extended 170mm) +Grams Spring/Follower Kit CZ Tactical Sport / Czechmate 13 coils?
Nothing wrong with that setup, they will still need to be tuned but that is what most folks run for their 170mm mags. However, now that MBX offers 170s I don't see any reason to deal with the CZ 26rd tubes unless you already have them and don't want to deal with the hassle of selling them. It costs ~$180 to set up a 26rd mag + CZC extension and spring. MBX 170mm mags are $159, so you're saving money and shouldn't have to deal with tuning. The main reason I have Springer Precision extensions is because it cost about $90 to set up each of my 170s and they needed to be tuned either way.
I don't think there's a major reason to buy them if you have a Shadow/CZ75 since the factory and MecGar mags are very reliable and much cheaper, but for the Czechmate it definitely saves a lot of headache
Jordan question on your sebo comp, I am planning on purchasing one but I am sure I will be lucky enough to get one that doesn't fit. What was required for you to fit yours?
Both of mine required hand fitting. I used a file to take a small amount of material off the front of the slide. The CM barrels are threaded M14x1, which means that 1 full rotation of the comp = 1mm, so you can do the math based on how under rotated the compensator is and figure out how much you actually have to remove, or you can just remove a little at a time and test fit. You need a tiny gap between the comp and the front of the slide, otherwise one of the two will crack from constantly smashing together -- if you hold the slide up to a light source and rotate it you should be able to see a sliver of light all the way around.
@@facebookiseffedup You could theoretically remove material from the comp instead, but I think that's not practically feasible without a mill since you need to remove an even amount of material around the comp cone. I bet CZ Custom would fit it for you -- definitely ask them before ordering the comp though. The main benefit of the Ti comp in my opinion is the balance improvement, it's up to you to decide if that's worth spending hundreds on the comp plus whatever CZC would charge to fit.
@@jordan-rogers-uspsa thanks again! I just ordered the comp and if it needs fitting and it is a small amount I will file a little off the slide. If it needs a lot of material to be removed I will have to make another decision.
@@facebookiseffedup Screw the comp on with the slide on the gun and the barrel installed but no recoil spring/guide rod and see where the comp stops. If it stops before the comp face makes contact with the slide then you need to chase the threads on the barrel or inside the comp. If it stops against the face of the slide and the under-rotation is more than 1/2 turn then I'd probably just back it off and deal with the
One trick I forgot to include in the video is one shared by MBX to help get maximum capacity from their mags using a MagLula: m.facebook.com/watch/?v=552463548772591&paipv=0&eav=Afb-XiNEfAEsWySrZys-0GjIFQVoPgzYIK0PggAR157wDir8-Vc_57U4hpfqqb3c_Uc&_rdr
I've found this trick works very well in the CZ mags as well to help get the stack ordered properly and ensure the top round has sufficient support. It also tends to make the mag easier to seat when fully loaded. This, plus a visual check that there is no gap between the top two rounds in each mag you put on your belt is the "best practice" when loading to 29 in my opinion.
I used the method he shows here on my mags and it worked perfectly. Thanks again. I've also had Grahams followers turn over sideways in the mag. Not good.
Thank you so much for the info. Can't believe it's that simple. I have one 170 mag body i've tortured to tune.... it works ish ... but not reliable. I was so concentrating on the dimensions from the forums.
Thanks again.
I'm not really sure where the dimensions come from originally. Enough folks have had success with following them that I assume they are at least close to correct, but I think the visual-based tuning is a lot more approachable for most folks.
Hey thanks for more Czechmate content. Keep er coming
Do you have anything in particular you'd like to see?
This was gold - thanks for taking the time to make this.
Thank you so much for this!! Only takes one wasted frustrating match from hell to make this video absolute gold! Appreciate you taking the time👍
Outstanding video with explanation. I have several czechmate mags that won’t work. Will be tuning them to try to fix them.
Excellent breakdown of the problem and solutions. I was unaware of much of that information.
Personally, I've been very fortunate with all 3 of my guns (originals plus the replacement gun). I use untuned CZ ghetto bigsticks with CZ Custom springs, followers and basepads, and have no issues at all (I won't say never, but it's pretty close to never). Even when I go to 30 + 1, which I can do once the spring is a bit worn. I load roundnose bullets relatively short at 1.145, so I suspect that helps a bit.
I suspect it's something do do with your specific load and bullets (Blue Bullets, if I recall correctly). I didn't do it on camera but during filming I did try to cycle one of my 9 Major rounds through the un-tuned big stick and it jammed just like the JHP. Granted, the Springer 170mm extensions are less friendly than the factory big sticks since a sizeable portion of the stack sits below the control ribs when fully loaded.
Very good, clear and informative video! Thanks.
Thank you. I’ve been looking for the solution for two years. Grams Engineering won’t answer any emails or phone calls and I had to badger CZ to fix the original mags.
I've heard of folks just mailing their mags with a note to Grams and getting an invoice within a relatively short timeframe. Hopefully this video impowers more folks to do it themselves since it's very achievable at home.
Great video man!! Thanks so much
Another video of any sorts. Maybe some info on upgrades. Or slide/recoil tuning.(again kinda) specifically spring weights? Stage strategy?
My 15k review video goes into the upgrades I've made minus the Sebo Comp, brass grips, and popples, which were added after that video and included in the recoil tuning video.
Great video , and you help ma a lot , i heve this problem with my TSO . Thank you verry match.
Great information thank you.
Fantastic video as always! 🔥🔥
Great video man! I am now buying a CZ Czechmate!
Thanks so much bro!
Jordan the 'COMP' Gods smiled on me today. I received the Sebo Ti comp this morning and it screwed on perfectly, better than the OEM comp! Thanks again for your help, it taught me a bunch. Your help is well appreciated!
That's great to hear, I'm sure they knew the V1 design required some fitting so maybe they tweaked the dimensions a little for v2
@@jordan-rogers-uspsa
I received my Czechmate today and found out that the thread of the compensator doesn't fit perfectly. I can over-tighten the compensator a bit so that the slide no longer closes. how about yours?
@@jordan-rogers-uspsa My Czechmate was made in 2022 and I noticed the mag release is slightly shorter than my TS 2's mag release button. Eric Grauffel said in his video of the TS 2 Orange that CZ shortened the mag release. Maybe Sebo machined the gen 2 comp based on the new guns.
@@Revy1993 That's not really an issue since the guide rod retains the compensator with the Czechmate design. Is there an unsightly gap between the comp and slide when it's backed out? If so, you could contact CZ and see if they'll fix it (either with a new barrel or adjusting the slide).
@@facebookiseffedup my czechmate is also 22 made, do you got the aluminum mag release as stock?
Great video, I don't even shoot action pistol
Outstanding video! I've done everything you show to my mags but I had to find different tweaks in different places. You have everything in one place. One note - the tuning is exactly the same for the CZ big sticks as it is for the short mags with the 170 extension - I feel like those are more reliable than the extensions but I have no evidence to back it up. I'm curious about the optic mount you have - did you have issues with the single sided mount? Again - thanks for another fantastic video.
The factory big sticks are probably a bit easier to tune because even with the short CZC extension the bullet stack never goes below the control rib (the follower might though) -- it still has the issue with the double stack to single stack transition though so they are not 100% reliable, especially with JHPs.
I swapped to the double sided mounts for two reasons. (1) screws will loosen eventually, with 1/3 loose there is a good chance you need to re-zero the gun, with 1/5 loose you can probably just re-torque the loose one and be fine. (2) I had two Romeo 3XL dots break with relatively low round counts (2.5k and 5k) when using the CZC mount -- I heard via a Sig sponsored shooter that the optics department recommended double sided mounts for Open guns and all of the RMAs for dots on Open guns came from single sided mounts... seemed weird to me, but I figured in combination with (1) it was worth the swap. Both of mine survived all last season but I can't definitively say it's the mount swap, improved QC from Sig, or Sig gave me hand-picked replacements after my RMAs.
Are there no springs that will last through being fully compressed? I have not heard of springs getting weak in normal OEM mags, is it right that this is all because the spring is at the absolute limit of "what will work" just to get max rounds in a magazine of a maximum length?
It's less of an issue with OEM mags than it is with mags with extensions. With OEM mags there is usually more spring than necessary, so as the spring compresses over time there is still plenty of energy to feed every round. As I mentioned in the video, I've never replaced my 140mm mag springs. Once you are adding extensions and extended springs the springs are usually designed to be "just enough" to feed reliably for a while maximizing capacity. For example, if my 170mm springs had two more coils they might never need to be replaced, but I would probably loose one round of capacity because 29 is a really tight fit.
You can stretch springs out if they become too compressed, but they'll never go back to 100% new position so stretching is only a stop-gap until fresh springs.
Did you have to have your barrel rimmed to accommodate a longer oal ammo?
I did it myself. It wasn't strictly necessary with Montana Gold FMJs because I can load them out to ~1.165 without needing to ream, but for most other projectiles it is required to load them long enough for 9 Major
Hi Jordan. Great video. What do you think about 26 rounders mags + CZC base pads (extended 170mm) +Grams Spring/Follower Kit CZ Tactical Sport / Czechmate 13 coils?
Nothing wrong with that setup, they will still need to be tuned but that is what most folks run for their 170mm mags. However, now that MBX offers 170s I don't see any reason to deal with the CZ 26rd tubes unless you already have them and don't want to deal with the hassle of selling them. It costs ~$180 to set up a 26rd mag + CZC extension and spring. MBX 170mm mags are $159, so you're saving money and shouldn't have to deal with tuning.
The main reason I have Springer Precision extensions is because it cost about $90 to set up each of my 170s and they needed to be tuned either way.
@@jordan-rogers-uspsa thanx a lot for the tips!!
100% if I was shooting a 9mm CZ I’d buy a set of MBX mags.
I don't think there's a major reason to buy them if you have a Shadow/CZ75 since the factory and MecGar mags are very reliable and much cheaper, but for the Czechmate it definitely saves a lot of headache
What comp do you have on it? Where did you get it?
It's the Sebo Weapons titanium compensator. Unfortunately it looks like they don't make them anymore.
@@jordan-rogers-uspsa that’s what I thought I see they are no longer in production
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Jordan question on your sebo comp, I am planning on purchasing one but I am sure I will be lucky enough to get one that doesn't fit. What was required for you to fit yours?
Both of mine required hand fitting. I used a file to take a small amount of material off the front of the slide. The CM barrels are threaded M14x1, which means that 1 full rotation of the comp = 1mm, so you can do the math based on how under rotated the compensator is and figure out how much you actually have to remove, or you can just remove a little at a time and test fit.
You need a tiny gap between the comp and the front of the slide, otherwise one of the two will crack from constantly smashing together -- if you hold the slide up to a light source and rotate it you should be able to see a sliver of light all the way around.
@@jordan-rogers-uspsa Thank you very much. not sure if I want to put a file to my slide. I will think a little more about it.
@@facebookiseffedup You could theoretically remove material from the comp instead, but I think that's not practically feasible without a mill since you need to remove an even amount of material around the comp cone. I bet CZ Custom would fit it for you -- definitely ask them before ordering the comp though.
The main benefit of the Ti comp in my opinion is the balance improvement, it's up to you to decide if that's worth spending hundreds on the comp plus whatever CZC would charge to fit.
@@jordan-rogers-uspsa thanks again! I just ordered the comp and if it needs fitting and it is a small amount I will file a little off the slide. If it needs a lot of material to be removed I will have to make another decision.
@@facebookiseffedup Screw the comp on with the slide on the gun and the barrel installed but no recoil spring/guide rod and see where the comp stops. If it stops before the comp face makes contact with the slide then you need to chase the threads on the barrel or inside the comp. If it stops against the face of the slide and the under-rotation is more than 1/2 turn then I'd probably just back it off and deal with the