Thank you very much for putting together this video. I am most eager to look into what you were talking about with the Daniel prophecies not matching with the day = a year thing. I hadn’t heard that before.
Thank you for making this video. I was influenced by Adventism but stopped after learning how shady their history is. So many Adventists repeat the same talking points answered here and do not know that their leaders contradicted their doctrines. The sad part is that most will not come across this information, preferring to stay in their echo chambers, not knowing that knowledge is deliberately being hidden from them. But I take comfort in knowing that God is in control, and will guide his elect.
Listening to this I forgave William Miller. He was misguided on prophecy but clearly understood what was ultimately essential - the Gospel. I can always appreciate that.
Thanks for this video, excellent refutation on Dough Bachelor.. I can't understand how people still listen to him spreading lies of Sunday worship, someone posted this link on a former Adventist channel"Answering Adventism
I can't help but notice how dispensational premillenialism/Christian Zionism is inherently charismatic and gnostic and how it's led to false churches such as Seventh Day Adventism and Jehovah's Witnesses. It's rather odd because many popular disp premills, most notably MacArthur, are very cessationist as well. On further looking, it appears the Mormons are essentially pre-mill as well...
I like SDA's in general and one man has an incredible testimony about how GOD saved him, his family and his marriage. Eric Wilson is his name and he's done some really great videos exposing martial arts and other practices. For a while I'd watch his sermons but time and time again, I was put off at how much he mentioned Ellen White in his messages. He would read her hot takes on issues RIGHT along side scripture and it essentially resulted in me no longer listening to him. Honestly, I can't understand how someone can have a testimony about the LORD and still adhere to SDA teachings.
I'm an Adventist pastor and I affirm your reaction described in this comment. The people who feel the need to preach Ellen White in place of Scripture are very frustrating to us. It is our fault for obscuring the difference for many years, mainly because we were unlearned. Ellen White historically fulfilled a biblical prophetic function to challenge the church. She did not lead the church and absolutely denied having a role of adding to Scripture. I hope that clears it up a little. I am so sorry for your experience. It is still far too common. (I'm probably going to get push back on this, I'll try to clarify where I need to)
Great presentation. I think SDAs are slowly moving toward orthodoxy. A friend of mine basically admitted to holding to at least 4 of the 5 Solae, with "Sola Scriptura" only being admitted if it allows for subordinate prophecies. A lot of the legalism (vegetarianism, no pork or shellfish, etc.) seem to have become strong suggestions rather than strict requirements. And they are Trinitarian. Dr. Martin was willing to admit that they no longer classify as a "Christian cult" in subsequent revisions of his "Kingdom of the Cults". But they still hold to "investigative judgment", "soul sleep", and obviously the Saturday Sabbath. They still revere Ellen White as a prophetess, although they seem to focus more on the Bible than her prophecies now as compared to the past. These are still serious errors in their theology, but I'm not sure whether they are serious enough on their own to exclude them from Christianity. I don't know what to make of their church, to be honest. Maybe some of the older members are more legalistic than young members, or maybe they have a different display of what they believe to outsiders vs insiders.
@@1010uswork apparently...I was raised in SDA and was not taught the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity or the true Gospel. Ellen White redefined both in heretical fashion. Their fundamental beliefs are deceptively worded to appear more orthodox but still read a bit differently than most orthodox statements. The links I had shared document from Ellen White as well as current SDA theologians that SDA is unorthodox on these essentials.
@ChericeGraham you may have been mistaught but those false ideas are being slowly expunged. Our commitment to freedom makes this process slow and I'm truly sorry you were misled and I'm glad you found the truth elsewhere.
The SDA's are no different from many groups who conveniently omit things that contradict what they teach, or outright lie. It's a failing we humans have. Be a Berean, as we are all susceptible, and avoid locking yourself into some of these questionable groups. We have so much more at hand to look at than at any time in histoy.
Do you have any book recommendations about the sabbatarian perspective in presbyterianism? One where it explains the differences with non-sabbatarians and with adventists. I've seen some presbyterians arguing that Colossians 2:16 is not about a weekly sabbath, do they have a different theological vision than you?
@@ancientpathstv Thank you! One last question. Some say that since Christ is our Sabbath, there is no longer any such thing as a day that binds Christians, so we don’t need a particular day to rest, how would you respond that? Blessings
@@CMartin04 The Sabbath is moral law, established before there was even sin in the world. The new covenant replaces the tabernacle, priesthood, and sacrifices given at Sinai, not the moral law or the Abrahamic covenant. Watching Calvin vs. the Baptists on this channel might help.
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 :) :)
The sabbath commandment is not ceremonial, but the invitation to join the rest in the completion of creation, which was, is and is to come, when Christ returns. Luke 23:56 describes the continuation of sabbath observance after the cross. As He Himself was faithful even in death, resting before the resurrection, when the sabbath ended.
John 20:1 John 20:19ff John 20:26ff Acts 2:1,14,41 Acts 20:6,7 1 Corinthians 16:2 Revelation 1:10 “the Lord’s Day” is τη κυριακη ημερα used for Sunday well before Constantine. Ignatius wrote To the Milesians “...those who had walked in ancient practices attained unto newness of hope, no longer observing sabbaths, but fashioning their lives after the Lord’s day, on which our life also arose through him…” Epistle to Barnabas “...we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in which also Jesus rose from the dead…” Justin Martyr’s First Apology “...Sunday is the day of our common assembly…”
@@BardOfChristendom no such commandment in the Bible, and if it did, you imply God is not perfect and had to change it, but he changes not, no shadow of turning, the same yesterday, today and forever. You serve another god and will receive it's mark if you continue therein.
@@toddarcand6002 Please look at the verses. John 20:1 John 20:19ff John 20:26ff Acts 2:1,14,41 Acts 20:6,7 1 Corinthians 16:2 The Apostles kept the Lord's Day on the First Day to commemorate the Resurrection. Jesus met with them that day, and exactly one day later - also a first day. The example of the Apostles is binding. Let me be VERY CLEAR. My two closest friends are SDA. But they and you are not correct about this. I did not IMPLY anything. I will state clearly that some of God's Laws do and have changed. Theologians call these positive laws. Adan and Eve's children must have married each other in the 1st generation. Abram and Sarai were half-siblings. But with Moses, it is incest to marry anyone closer than a first cousin. Every SDA that I know believes that bloody animal sacrifices, Aaronic priests, and Temple worship have ceased because they were ceremonial laws. God does not change, but His revelation is progressive. And He has every right to change outward regulations. Question: if God's Law never changes at all, why did Ellen Harmon White condemn eating meat? Jesus ate lamb and fish. I serve the God of the Bible. The "mark" that is on me is Trinitarian Baptism. I am a member of the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America. Are you a member of the SDA? If so, which congregation?
Another solid resource from brother, Jason. Thank you, for all the time, and hard work, that must have went into this presentation. Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. P.S. Thanks to Christ Presbyterian Church, for producing it. Soli Deo Gloria.
Revelation 12:17 King James Version 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
@@bradenglass4753 they don’t know how to respond to criticism. It’s usually either this, or they literally just start slandering people. It’s pretty funny.
Is there a video about unitarians or the history of the trinity? Because these unitarians claim that before the council of Nicaea and Constantine, there were only unitarians.
I am an Adventist pastor and 1 minute 31 seconds into your video. I will probably listen to an entire hour of it because you have started off by acknowledging the abysmal quality of the criticism that is usually directed at us, so I know you won't waste my time with that. At 1:30 you bring up covenants. Of course, this is the standard Calvinist approach. It is your answer to many things. We also love talking about covenant, but we believe nobody was ever saved except through the covenant in Jesus' blood. Therefore the old covenant was not salvific but a national covenant and the new covenant is the eternal Way of salvation always intended for all nations. I hope you agree with that or this will be hard for me to watch.
I was never an Adventist, but I attended Adventist schools for three years as a child. I understand your frustration with many of your critics. Please watch all the way through and then check out our latest video, Calvin vs. The Baptists. It deals with similar issues (including the Adventist criticisms of the Baptists). Please feel free to write me or call me. My email and phone number are on the church website.
@ancientpathstv very Christian reply. I hope I don't seem frustrated at criticism, I find it amusing at times though and deadly dull most of the time. I am happy to keep watching but you didn't address the substance of my comment. If you agree with my comment I think we will have a lot of common ground.
6:10 and not looking promising. So many spurious arguments you've brushed over. I can only assume you'll go through the same tired claims in more agonising detail for coming hour and I'm not tempted. I'm happy to discuss and please give me a time stamp if you've got something I can sink my teeth into. I'll comment on where I'm up to: Doug Batchelor is a professional communicator and businessman. He is not atypical of Adventists, we like him a lot in general, but he is not actually a theologian or some kind of church leader that you could point to as authoritative. This would be like me tearing apart Mark Driscoll and claiming I've disproved Calvinism. The reality is that we Adventists think for ourselves, to a fault, we don't pay much attention to our theologians or our church leaders, we pay attention to our Jesus.
@@danielmaher964 Mr Daniel, you are on a destructive path as peter warned. How l pray THAT you can let the Lord help you be delivered. Time is short and deception is so subtle by the enemy of our souls
I don't agree with most of the SDA doctrines, especially Sabbath keeping, but they do have ONE thing correct that the rest of mainstream Christianity has wrong. They believe that ONLY believers in Jesus will receive immortality at their resurrections and get eternal LIFE. I agree with them! Many christian churches today believe and teach that unbelievers will also get eternal LIFE..... in Hell. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Immortality, the ability to LIVE forever is a free gift that Jesus gives anyone who will put their faith in him and seek after it (Romans 2:7). Unbelievers do not seek after God and immortality and thus when they are resurrected unto judgment they will still be MORTAL beings, just like they were before they died. When they are cast into the fires of Hell, they will be destroyed, die and perish forever, just as Jesus said they would. (The wages for man's sin is DEATH) No one LIVES in Hell for all eternity. They die forever! 1John 5:12 "He who has the Son has life; he who does NOT have the Son DOES NOT HAVE LIFE." Sorry Christians, NO LIFE in Hell.
Read more. Endless punishment is the clear teaching of the Bible. “Destroy/perish” απολλυμι means to be lost (Luke 15), become useless (Matthew 9:17), & killed (Matthew 2:13), not cease to exist. In Luke 9:24 BELIEVERS are called to “destroy” their lives! Olethros ολεθρος and kolasis κολασις are likewise used of punishment, not annihilation Matthew 5:29 Revelation 14:11 Mark 9:43-48 2 Thessalonians 1:9 Matthew 25:46 Matthew 26:24 (2 Peter 2:4)
If you want to obey the coming Sunday law, be my guest. As for me and my house, we will worship on Sabbath -- day created at Creation when no Jew was present. Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday in 300 AD -- Pope thinks he can change God's times and laws. Jesus said "I am the Lord of the Sabbath" -- "They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’ You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.” He went on to say, “You neatly set aside the command of God to maintain your own tradition.…"
Did you even watch the video? You interacted with nothing we said. We've taken the time to listen to Adventists, because we know we have nothing to fear from the truth. Why would you fear to watch?
John 20:1 John 20:19ff John 20:26ff Acts 2:1,14,41 Acts 20:6,7 1 Corinthians 16:2 Revelation 1:10 “the Lord’s Day” is τη κυριακη ημερα used for Sunday well before Constantine. Ignatius wrote To the Milesians “...those who had walked in ancient practices attained unto newness of hope, no longer observing sabbaths, but fashioning their lives after the Lord’s day, on which our life also arose through him…” Epistle to Barnabas “...we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in which also Jesus rose from the dead…” Justin Martyr’s First Apology “...Sunday is the day of our common assembly…”
We took the time to carefully listen to Adventist arguments and respond from God's Word. We knew that we had nothing to fear from the truth. Is your position so weak that all you can do is name-calling?
How can Presbyterians and Reformed be "'Apostate" from SDA? We are centuries older. If EGW was a prophetess, she received new teachings. Historic Christians who simply hold on to ancient creeds can hardly be 'apostate' from a new movement of which they never were a part.
Eduard, allow God to help deliver you from religious pride. God won't have it. Jesus accomplished the FINISHED work of salvation and He wants us to hear Paul's gospel given to him by Jesus himself. A mystery not known before the world began
I appreciate your work, but it is baffling to me that you make earnest pleas to people who are in doctrinal error. If I am understanding reformed doctrine correctly, no one can come to the knowledge of the truth until God imposes his will upon them to make them believe in Him. And once he does this we have no choice whether to obey the gospel or not. So why make videos calling people out of false religion when they have no ability to be saved? Have you ever considered that Calvin, Augustine and Luther could be wrong about soteriology?
You don't understand Reformed doctrine. God ordains means, as well as ends. Confidence in God's sovereignty has been the basis of most mission work in the history of the church.
So what is the point of warning people of their false doctrine if they have no choice to be saved? Why make such extensive videos when we can’t choose God? I don’t understand.
I did not read the book, but I listened to Matthew Everhard’s video on the topic. m.ua-cam.com/video/G2t3_sInsH4/v-deo.html Essentially what he said is that Calvinists and Reformed Christians evangelize because they are commanded to do so and that God will use evangelism as a secondary means of grace to then save people himself. Although in the end, his saving grace is irresistible and He can save people in any way he chooses. So whether we evangelize or not is in the end pointless because God is the one imposing his will on mankind to be saved. He is just choosing for people to hear the gospel and then choosing to save them after they have heard it.
This is wonderful. Thank you brother!
As a SDA, this is a very good video. Thank you. I agree with most of what you said.
Thank you!
Thank you very much for putting together this video. I am most eager to look into what you were talking about with the Daniel prophecies not matching with the day = a year thing. I hadn’t heard that before.
Thank you!
Thank you for making this video. I was influenced by Adventism but stopped after learning how shady their history is. So many Adventists repeat the same talking points answered here and do not know that their leaders contradicted their doctrines. The sad part is that most will not come across this information, preferring to stay in their echo chambers, not knowing that knowledge is deliberately being hidden from them. But I take comfort in knowing that God is in control, and will guide his elect.
Thank you!
Thanks for another great resource. I really appreciate your hard work. God bless.
Thank you! Lord willing, An Earnest Plea to Charismatics will be out in 6-8 weeks.
Listening to this I forgave William Miller. He was misguided on prophecy but clearly understood what was ultimately essential - the Gospel. I can always appreciate that.
Yeah and Miller repented too.
Thanks for this video, excellent refutation on Dough Bachelor.. I can't understand how people still listen to him spreading lies of Sunday worship, someone posted this link on a former Adventist channel"Answering Adventism
Thank you for the kind encouragement!
I can't help but notice how dispensational premillenialism/Christian Zionism is inherently charismatic and gnostic and how it's led to false churches such as Seventh Day Adventism and Jehovah's Witnesses. It's rather odd because many popular disp premills, most notably MacArthur, are very cessationist as well. On further looking, it appears the Mormons are essentially pre-mill as well...
We're hoping folks see the connection. 🙂
I like SDA's in general and one man has an incredible testimony about how GOD saved him, his family and his marriage. Eric Wilson is his name and he's done some really great videos exposing martial arts and other practices. For a while I'd watch his sermons but time and time again, I was put off at how much he mentioned Ellen White in his messages. He would read her hot takes on issues RIGHT along side scripture and it essentially resulted in me no longer listening to him.
Honestly, I can't understand how someone can have a testimony about the LORD and still adhere to SDA teachings.
I'm an Adventist pastor and I affirm your reaction described in this comment. The people who feel the need to preach Ellen White in place of Scripture are very frustrating to us. It is our fault for obscuring the difference for many years, mainly because we were unlearned. Ellen White historically fulfilled a biblical prophetic function to challenge the church. She did not lead the church and absolutely denied having a role of adding to Scripture. I hope that clears it up a little. I am so sorry for your experience. It is still far too common.
(I'm probably going to get push back on this, I'll try to clarify where I need to)
Great presentation. I think SDAs are slowly moving toward orthodoxy. A friend of mine basically admitted to holding to at least 4 of the 5 Solae, with "Sola Scriptura" only being admitted if it allows for subordinate prophecies. A lot of the legalism (vegetarianism, no pork or shellfish, etc.) seem to have become strong suggestions rather than strict requirements. And they are Trinitarian.
Dr. Martin was willing to admit that they no longer classify as a "Christian cult" in subsequent revisions of his "Kingdom of the Cults". But they still hold to "investigative judgment", "soul sleep", and obviously the Saturday Sabbath. They still revere Ellen White as a prophetess, although they seem to focus more on the Bible than her prophecies now as compared to the past. These are still serious errors in their theology, but I'm not sure whether they are serious enough on their own to exclude them from Christianity.
I don't know what to make of their church, to be honest. Maybe some of the older members are more legalistic than young members, or maybe they have a different display of what they believe to outsiders vs insiders.
Your perceptions of SDA are mistaken. Please see my comment above with links to resources that explain further.
@@ChericeGraham You resources do not appear -- cancelled?
@@1010uswork apparently...I was raised in SDA and was not taught the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity or the true Gospel. Ellen White redefined both in heretical fashion. Their fundamental beliefs are deceptively worded to appear more orthodox but still read a bit differently than most orthodox statements. The links I had shared document from Ellen White as well as current SDA theologians that SDA is unorthodox on these essentials.
If the SDA church is to become orthodox then they will need to reject EGWs writings as the spirit of prophecy.
@ChericeGraham you may have been mistaught but those false ideas are being slowly expunged. Our commitment to freedom makes this process slow and I'm truly sorry you were misled and I'm glad you found the truth elsewhere.
Excellent!
The SDA's are no different from many groups who conveniently omit things that contradict what they teach, or outright lie. It's a failing we humans have. Be a Berean, as we are all susceptible, and avoid locking yourself into some of these questionable groups. We have so much more at hand to look at than at any time in histoy.
Do you have any book recommendations about the sabbatarian perspective in presbyterianism? One where it explains the differences with non-sabbatarians and with adventists. I've seen some presbyterians arguing that Colossians 2:16 is not about a weekly sabbath, do they have a different theological vision than you?
@@CMartin04 Check out Terry Johnson’s The Christian Sabbath.
@@ancientpathstv Thank you! One last question. Some say that since Christ is our Sabbath, there is no longer any such thing as a day that binds Christians, so we don’t need a particular day to rest, how would you respond that? Blessings
@@CMartin04 The Sabbath is moral law, established before there was even sin in the world. The new covenant replaces the tabernacle, priesthood, and sacrifices given at Sinai, not the moral law or the Abrahamic covenant. Watching Calvin vs. the Baptists on this channel might help.
@@ancientpathstv Thank you so much, you are a blessing to the Presbyterian church
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
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The sabbath commandment is not ceremonial, but the invitation to join the rest in the completion of creation, which was, is and is to come, when Christ returns.
Luke 23:56 describes the continuation of sabbath observance after the cross. As He Himself was faithful even in death, resting before the resurrection, when the sabbath ended.
Did you watch the video?
John 20:1 John 20:19ff John 20:26ff Acts 2:1,14,41 Acts 20:6,7 1 Corinthians 16:2
Revelation 1:10 “the Lord’s Day” is τη κυριακη ημερα used for Sunday well before Constantine. Ignatius wrote To the Milesians “...those who had walked in ancient practices attained unto newness of hope, no longer observing sabbaths, but fashioning their lives after the Lord’s day, on which our life also arose through him…”
Epistle to Barnabas “...we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in which also Jesus rose from the dead…”
Justin Martyr’s First Apology “...Sunday is the day of our common assembly…”
@@BardOfChristendom no such commandment in the Bible, and if it did, you imply God is not perfect and had to change it, but he changes not, no shadow of turning, the same yesterday, today and forever. You serve another god and will receive it's mark if you continue therein.
Incorrect, both historically and theologically, LOL @@toddarcand6002
@@toddarcand6002 Please look at the verses. John 20:1 John 20:19ff John 20:26ff Acts 2:1,14,41 Acts 20:6,7 1 Corinthians 16:2 The Apostles kept the Lord's Day on the First Day to commemorate the Resurrection. Jesus met with them that day, and exactly one day later - also a first day. The example of the Apostles is binding. Let me be VERY CLEAR. My two closest friends are SDA. But they and you are not correct about this. I did not IMPLY anything. I will state clearly that some of God's Laws do and have changed. Theologians call these positive laws. Adan and Eve's children must have married each other in the 1st generation. Abram and Sarai were half-siblings. But with Moses, it is incest to marry anyone closer than a first cousin. Every SDA that I know believes that bloody animal sacrifices, Aaronic priests, and Temple worship have ceased because they were ceremonial laws. God does not change, but His revelation is progressive. And He has every right to change outward regulations. Question: if God's Law never changes at all, why did Ellen Harmon White condemn eating meat? Jesus ate lamb and fish. I serve the God of the Bible. The "mark" that is on me is Trinitarian Baptism. I am a member of the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America. Are you a member of the SDA? If so, which congregation?
Another solid resource from brother, Jason. Thank you, for all the time, and hard work, that must have went into this presentation. Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
P.S. Thanks to Christ Presbyterian Church, for producing it. Soli Deo Gloria.
The investigative judgment doctrine that the SDA teaches is what confirmed to me that they are not Christian. They do not have the gospel.
Revelation 12:17
King James Version
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The SDA Church is a heretical joke. Just join Protestantism.
Is this supposed to refute something in the video? LOL
@@bradenglass4753 they don’t know how to respond to criticism. It’s usually either this, or they literally just start slandering people. It’s pretty funny.
@@mmtoss6530
It's because they're a cult. 😢
Is there a video about unitarians or the history of the trinity? Because these unitarians claim that before the council of Nicaea and Constantine, there were only unitarians.
They're lying. It's touched on a bit in the early part of this. It starts at 3:43 ua-cam.com/video/utIAnY5I8CU/v-deo.html
I am an Adventist pastor and 1 minute 31 seconds into your video. I will probably listen to an entire hour of it because you have started off by acknowledging the abysmal quality of the criticism that is usually directed at us, so I know you won't waste my time with that. At 1:30 you bring up covenants. Of course, this is the standard Calvinist approach. It is your answer to many things. We also love talking about covenant, but we believe nobody was ever saved except through the covenant in Jesus' blood. Therefore the old covenant was not salvific but a national covenant and the new covenant is the eternal Way of salvation always intended for all nations. I hope you agree with that or this will be hard for me to watch.
I was never an Adventist, but I attended Adventist schools for three years as a child. I understand your frustration with many of your critics.
Please watch all the way through and then check out our latest video, Calvin vs. The Baptists. It deals with similar issues (including the Adventist criticisms of the Baptists). Please feel free to write me or call me. My email and phone number are on the church website.
@ancientpathstv very Christian reply. I hope I don't seem frustrated at criticism, I find it amusing at times though and deadly dull most of the time. I am happy to keep watching but you didn't address the substance of my comment. If you agree with my comment I think we will have a lot of common ground.
6:10 and not looking promising. So many spurious arguments you've brushed over. I can only assume you'll go through the same tired claims in more agonising detail for coming hour and I'm not tempted.
I'm happy to discuss and please give me a time stamp if you've got something I can sink my teeth into.
I'll comment on where I'm up to: Doug Batchelor is a professional communicator and businessman. He is not atypical of Adventists, we like him a lot in general, but he is not actually a theologian or some kind of church leader that you could point to as authoritative. This would be like me tearing apart Mark Driscoll and claiming I've disproved Calvinism. The reality is that we Adventists think for ourselves, to a fault, we don't pay much attention to our theologians or our church leaders, we pay attention to our Jesus.
@@danielmaher964 Mr Daniel, you are on a destructive path as peter warned. How l pray THAT you can let the Lord help you be delivered. Time is short and deception is so subtle by the enemy of our souls
@@Over-for-now who is trolling me?
Amen
I don't agree with most of the SDA doctrines, especially Sabbath keeping, but they do have ONE thing correct that the rest of mainstream Christianity has wrong. They believe that ONLY believers in Jesus will receive immortality at their resurrections and get eternal LIFE. I agree with them! Many christian churches today believe and teach that unbelievers will also get eternal LIFE..... in Hell. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Immortality, the ability to LIVE forever is a free gift that Jesus gives anyone who will put their faith in him and seek after it (Romans 2:7). Unbelievers do not seek after God and immortality and thus when they are resurrected unto judgment they will still be MORTAL beings, just like they were before they died. When they are cast into the fires of Hell, they will be destroyed, die and perish forever, just as Jesus said they would. (The wages for man's sin is DEATH) No one LIVES in Hell for all eternity. They die forever! 1John 5:12 "He who has the Son has life; he who does NOT have the Son DOES NOT HAVE LIFE." Sorry Christians, NO LIFE in Hell.
Did you watch the video?
She picks and choses what she likes and her god has no punishment, no moral law and her theology of her god is idolatry.
Read more. Endless punishment is the clear teaching of the Bible.
“Destroy/perish” απολλυμι means to be lost (Luke 15), become useless (Matthew 9:17), & killed (Matthew 2:13), not cease to exist. In Luke 9:24 BELIEVERS are called to “destroy” their lives!
Olethros ολεθρος and kolasis κολασις are likewise used of punishment, not annihilation
Matthew 5:29 Revelation 14:11 Mark 9:43-48 2 Thessalonians 1:9 Matthew 25:46 Matthew 26:24 (2 Peter 2:4)
Ellen G. White has that "animal magnetism" I like.
I hope to eat oysters with her in heaven, God willing.
If you want to obey the coming Sunday law, be my guest. As for me and my house, we will worship on Sabbath -- day created at Creation when no Jew was present. Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday in 300 AD -- Pope thinks he can change God's times and laws. Jesus said "I am the Lord of the Sabbath" -- "They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’ You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.” He went on to say, “You neatly set aside the command of God to maintain your own tradition.…"
Did you even watch the video? You interacted with nothing we said. We've taken the time to listen to Adventists, because we know we have nothing to fear from the truth. Why would you fear to watch?
Interesting, I thought the NT history of Christians meeting on the first day of the week was written long before 300AD.
John 20:1 John 20:19ff John 20:26ff Acts 2:1,14,41 Acts 20:6,7 1 Corinthians 16:2
Revelation 1:10 “the Lord’s Day” is τη κυριακη ημερα used for Sunday well before Constantine. Ignatius wrote To the Milesians “...those who had walked in ancient practices attained unto newness of hope, no longer observing sabbaths, but fashioning their lives after the Lord’s day, on which our life also arose through him…”
Epistle to Barnabas “...we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in which also Jesus rose from the dead…”
Justin Martyr’s First Apology “...Sunday is the day of our common assembly…”
There is no coming Sunday law predicted in scripture
@@BardOfChristendom 1 Cor 16 : 2 in greek is σάββατον - sabbath , so …
AN EARNEST PLEA TO ANCIENT PATH TV. You err in misinterpreting the scriptures.
I offered Biblical exegesis and historic documentation. You offer nothing but a gratuitous assertion.
Apostate Christianity speaks here.
We took the time to carefully listen to Adventist arguments and respond from God's Word. We knew that we had nothing to fear from the truth. Is your position so weak that all you can do is name-calling?
How can Presbyterians and Reformed be "'Apostate" from SDA? We are centuries older. If EGW was a prophetess, she received new teachings. Historic Christians who simply hold on to ancient creeds can hardly be 'apostate' from a new movement of which they never were a part.
Eduard, allow God to help deliver you from religious pride. God won't have it. Jesus accomplished the FINISHED work of salvation and He wants us to hear Paul's gospel given to him by Jesus himself. A mystery not known before the world began
I appreciate your work, but it is baffling to me that you make earnest pleas to people who are in doctrinal error. If I am understanding reformed doctrine correctly, no one can come to the knowledge of the truth until God imposes his will upon them to make them believe in Him. And once he does this we have no choice whether to obey the gospel or not. So why make videos calling people out of false religion when they have no ability to be saved?
Have you ever considered that Calvin, Augustine and Luther could be wrong about soteriology?
You don't understand Reformed doctrine. God ordains means, as well as ends. Confidence in God's sovereignty has been the basis of most mission work in the history of the church.
So what is the point of warning people of their false doctrine if they have no choice to be saved? Why make such extensive videos when we can’t choose God? I don’t understand.
@@Joseph-dl1tg Please read J.I. Packer's Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God. archive.org/details/evangelismsovere00pack
I did not read the book, but I listened to Matthew Everhard’s video on the topic.
m.ua-cam.com/video/G2t3_sInsH4/v-deo.html
Essentially what he said is that Calvinists and Reformed Christians evangelize because they are commanded to do so and that God will use evangelism as a secondary means of grace to then save people himself. Although in the end, his saving grace is irresistible and He can save people in any way he chooses. So whether we evangelize or not is in the end pointless because God is the one imposing his will on mankind to be saved. He is just choosing for people to hear the gospel and then choosing to save them after they have heard it.
@@Joseph-dl1tg You are not correctly understanding Reformed doctrine