Missplay at 21 minutes, you could have checked if the piloted shredders deathrattle summoned a doomsayer which would have wiped the board on your opponents turn, instead of conceding
zeroazure0 I don't play scumbag hunter but if you can reliably topdeck a win then you just have a good deck. If you have 3 health, and live for 2 turns,don't qq when they "topdeck" the first kill command out of the 2 remaining in their deck of 10 cards.. On the other hand, I do say rush shouldn't be a thing in any card game. The shorter a round is, the more impact each roll will have, and in the current meta, a lucky lightning storm roll will win or lose a game, which is kinda silly imo :(
I like the part where trump insulted his opponent, called him a scum bag, and then didn't play around Kill command and lost. Anyone could have told you that armoring up puts you out of range of so many different things bro.
Can you find a problem with that. The deck literally takes no skills. Simply play your hand and win every game. Can't win? Press your hero ability and use kill command. Boom. Game could be around 5 turns long
every hunter that plays the aggro undertaker hunter is called a "scumbag hunter". it's not a "this guy is a scumbag because he beat me" it's a "this deck is the deck only scumbags play." which i guess is also insulting but it's a joke.
After watching trumps high rank videos, I am pretty glad I am in the low ranks. Every deck seems to be the same, if not, very similar to last seasons decks. The high levels of this game are very boring.
Well, if you play competitively in any card game, it'd end up being about the same: a handful of popular deck archetypes being about all you see. Granted, Hearthstone is still pretty new and doesn't have all that many cards, so there are probably less archetypes than in other card games, but the point is still there. The only unfortunate thing is that I frequently run into people netdecking on Casual while all I want to do is be silly with pandas or something.
TheAmberFang I see much more variety in the slums of the ranks than in Trumps league. I understand why, but it makes me sad that people just stick with one thing throughout the seasons. If they find it fun then fine, but when everyone else hates it it makes half the players in a match unhappy.
The Mage in the last match brought your Alex to 4 health with a Fireblast, this turn indicated that he has flamestrike even though Alex was the only creep on your side
I buy packs almost every pay check, usually the $20 for 15. And I think I've gotten a total of 3-4 legendaries. I've been playing since open beta. The hell, Blizzard?
21:30 you kill the 4/2 and it spawns doomsayer and it wipes the board before he can react. Probably would have lost from their still but their was hope!
Just did 5 games with a slight variation of this deck (replaced Baron with Hogger) 4 wins out of 5 at rank 14. Pretty solid deck. Won against 4 zoo and lost to hand lock (bad draws)
I find it kind of ironic that Trump was at Molten Giant rank in this video; against the first couple of aggro decks that he fought, Trump could've played a 0 cost Molten Giant on turn 7 in each match. Not entirely convinced it would've helped, but it would've been major value.
my biggest problem with warrior right here, i love him but is just so expensive to get best results from him.... i really wish there were easier strategies for warrior to build.... this is one of the reasons for zoo decks being so common (effective yet cheap, like 1500 dust only) and why people hate zoo so much
I dont know what list Trump is playing, but only 1 Shieldmaiden isnt the right choice. Its so good against aggro if you gain a foothole. You can take out the Sneed considering the fact hes running 5 other legends who are 6 mana or more.
Sneed??? that is one of the best legendaries ever made, maybe get rid of the dr boom or alex, although I know alex can be really good in control matchups
Patchy See, thats where YOURE wrong, Dr Boom pretty much can fit in any deck. even huntards are putting him because hes that good. and youre insane if you dont have Alex in Control Warrior cause of the one two punch she has with Grom.
xLegendaryPete i play control warrior but i dont have alex and harrison, i have all the other legendaries though and it still works fine (i have syl, rag, boom, hogger, grom and geddon)
Hey guys help me out with this. So I ran into someone called Trump on Hearthstone 10 minutes ago, and he was playing a Warlock mech deck. He greeted me first (Unlike trump) He played Annoy-a-Tron (Unlike Trump) , and he also lost. (Unlike Trump). It was also rank 13 so im alittle confused. Can u use the same names as other people? Or what?
Many people can use the same name on Battlenet. Individuals are differentiated by a unique ID that you can see next to your name by opening your friends list; I believe it is referred to as a Battletag.
I've pulled 3 nozdormus out of packs. It might be a sh*t card but for funzies in the lower ranks of ladder its produces some laughs when your enemy panicks. cause you know... who the hell expects it
the likelihood of that is slim to none. I wouldn't call that a misplay, but a "the odds are far against me." Sure that may have been the only way out, and it could have happened, but it probably would not have.
At 8:35 Trump's greed lost him the game again... Why not simply trade Harrison Jones and armor up? There was no combo that would have killed him the next turn and then he could have played Alexstrasza and win anyway. I swear, Trump is being greedy for literally no reason sometimes and that costs him (both in constructed and arena).
*The Fel Reaver Debate Solved (An Article)* _What Trump and the Majority of the Comment Section Got Wrong_ Disclaimer: This is purely my assessment of thoughts, feel free to add to the discussion by replying. *The Two Cases* 1) Trump argues that the card discards from Fel Reaver have absolutely no impact in the game. 2) Others argue that the burns from Fel Reaver have a negative impact on the game. *Card Advantage* Wikipedia defines card advantage as “a term used in collectible card game strategy to indicate one player having access to more cards than another player, usually by *drawing more cards through in-game effects.* The concept was first described early in the evolution of Magic: The Gathering strategy, where many early decks relied on a player drawing more cards than their opponent…” The key to understand card advantage is the act of specifically *drawing* cards from your deck. The cards you draw are totally random and their order is too. This is why cards such as Azure Drake and Gnomish Inventor are considered good cards. They essentially replace themselves in terms of cards, while still providing a body with good stats on the board. Cards like Thoughtsteal and Arcane Intellect act similarly. They generate card advantage because they replace themselves but add an additional card into your hand. Unlike the previous example, however, they do not provide an additional body. Both cases are still card advantage. If the Azure Drake or Gnomish Inventor manage to trade for 1 or more of the opponent’s cards, such as removal spells or an enemy minion, then the player with the Azure Drake/Gnomish Inventor managed to gain card advantage. It took a card to kill the body, but the card replaced itself. Hence, the Azure Drake/Gnomish Inventor created a favorable 2 for 1 scenario. If the body managed to draw more of the opponent’s cards, then the scenario turns into a 3 for 1, etc. A way to generate card advantage is through overall “value” minions/spells. These are cards that manage to remove 2 or more of the opponent’s cards with the use of just 1 card. Fel Reaver without card text is a “value” minion, because is a 5 mana 8/8, which is spectacular stats, which will can draw out 2 or more of the opponent’s cards, generating card advantage. However, the debate arises over it’s card text: “Whenever your opponent plays a card, discard the top 3 cards of your deck.” *Random Discards* Would you consider discarding cards as having a significant impact in the game, despite absolute randomness? The answer is yes, and no. This is due to Hearthstone's fatigue mechanic, and the fact that Fel Reaver reveals burned cards. Take this scenario as an example. Let's take a card that is usually absolutely crucial to win most games. (i.e. Alexstraza in freeze mage) Alexstraza is a key card in freeze mage, as it sets up lethal for burn spells or restores the health of the mage to the point of stabilization (though the former is more likely). Although illogical (for obvious reasons), let's say the mage runs Fel Reaver in her deck. There will always be a random chance of Fel Reaver burning Alexstraza. The chance of Alexstraza being burned is the same as any other card in the deck. Remember that the deck orientation throughout the game is always random, and there is no way to know what card the players will draw, except for when the card is the last card in the deck. There is always (in fraction form) a 1/x chance (where x is the number of cards left in the mage's deck) of any particular card in the mage's deck being burned. It does not matter how many cards are burned, there is never a higher chance of Alexstaza being burned than any other remaining card in the deck. Because there is always an equal chance of discard, and Alexstraza always assumes a random position the mage's deck,*the probability of Alexstraza being discarded is EQUAL to any other card in the deck, and the probability of Alexstraza never being drawn is EQUAL to any other card in the deck.* Yes, I know. Some may comment “but the mage runs _two_ Ice Blocks and _two_ Fireballs, and _two_ Ice Lances, etc.!” Just because they are two copies of one identical card doesn’t mean that the probability of “two-ofs” vs. “one-ofs” should be excluded. Let’s name the remaining Fireballs in the mage’s deck (assuming that there are 2 left) For simplicity’s sake, their names are “Fireball 1” and “Fireball 2.” The probability of Alexstraza being discarded is still the same as any other card. The rule still applies for identical names of cards. *Probability of Alexstraza discard = probability of Fireball 1 discard = probability of Fireball 2 discard.* In terms of cards (Fireball 1, Fireball 2), there is still an equal discard chance. *However, since there are two copies of Fireball left, the chance of Fireball being discarded is twice as likely as the chance of Alexstraza being discarded.* Therefore, Fel Reaver’s discards have no effect on card advantage whatsoever, under the circumstances that you never hit the point of fatigue. This is because the cards you burn are essentially you never drawing them. *Tracking* Still not convinced? Take the hunter card Tracking for example. “Look at the top three cards of your deck. Draw one and discard the others.” This card is considered good because while it does not generate card advantage, it provides the player with more options. The fact that the two discards are gone may actually be a benefit, because the player may not want to draw those cards in the coming turns. Is tracking bad because you “lose” the two cards? No, because as we discussed before, the odds of discarding the cards is the same as never even drawing them. The exception comes from fatigue. For now, just think of Fel Reaver’s discards as that of tracking, but you have no control over it. In other words, this was just to reaffirm the point that Fel Reaver’s discards DO NOT matter until fatigue. As a side note, at one point I believe Trump had to defend the card Tracking because of its discard “downside.” I find it amusing that he has to employ the same argument again for Fel Reaver. *Where Trump Went Wrong (Slightly), The Value of Information* Trump claims that there is “absolutely” no downside to Fel Reaver’s discard until the player hits fatigue (more on fatigue in the next section). This is wrong. Because the Fel Reaver’s discards are shown to your opponent, he/she knows what cards to play around. He/she knows, for instance, that Gromash Hellscream in no longer in your deck, or that you have no more Eviscerates, or that the secret you just played can’t be Ice Block because you just burned two of them. Information comes at a cost. *Fatigue* Tracking and Fel Reaver have a _potential_ downside, in that they induce fatigue. If fatigue is never reached, then there is no downside to Fel Reaver’s discards except for information. This notion of information can’t be said for Tracking, though, because the discards from Tracking are not revealed to the opponent. If at any point in time, a player cannot draw a card at the start of their turn mainly because of Fel Reaver’s discards, then card advantage is to be taken account. Fel Reaver does not affect card advantage initially because it is on the contingency of fatigue. Because cards in the player’s hand are not affected in until the end of the game, Fel Reaver isn’t strictly a loss in cards. *We can interpret Fel Reaver’s limitation of card draw at the end of the game as a “delayed loss of cards.” Again, this only applies because a player could not draw a card normally. *Final Verdict* *As long as Fel Reaver’s discards do not limit cards drawn because of reaching fatigue (essentially losing a card), it has no downside except for information.* *A Typical Fel Reaver* Let’s take Fel Reaver for what it typically is: “5 mana 8/8, reveal the ⅓ (one-third) of the total cards in your deck to your opponent, and discard the cards.” Would it be a good card, or a bad card? In the case of an aggressive deck in which most games don’t result in the player reaching fatigue, it is 5 mana 8/8, lose deck information. In the case of a control deck in which reaching fatigue is more likely, Fel Reaver is a 5 mana 8/8, take a delayed loss of card advantage dependent on the number of cards you were limited from drawing, lose deck information. *Implications* Don’t run Fel Reaver in a deck which is heavily reliant on drawing a particular card. Don’t run Fel Reaver in a deck in which you do not want to reveal an innovative play style to your opponent. Don’t run Fel Reaver in a heavy control deck, or a control deck in which it is somewhat likely to reach fatigue. Never play Fel Reaver against a Miracle Rogue. *Fel Reaver is best suited for an aggressive deck like Trump’s. :)* In the case of reaching fatigue with a deck like Trump’s anyway, the downside of Fel Reaver’s “delayed loss of card advantage” is even less so than previously discussed. By the time Trump is fatiguing, he probably lost anyway because the game went long enough and he is playing an aggressive deck against a slower deck.
Most of his youtube uploads are taken from his stream, and he writes the names of anyone who subs to his stream on that whiteboard. Usually he cuts it out of his youtube vids but I think he kept it in this time because he was explaining.
This is perhaps the first time I've seen Trump attack with Nozdormu. He even heard what Nozdormu said, only proving that Trump never played Nozdormu. Talk about a crappy card!
Now I know I'm that good at the game ( I avg around rank 10-12), but every time I go up against a warrior, no matter what I play, they seem to have the answers Sway. I officially have my first deck that I hate lol
Getting your opponent to overdraw their deck, getting them into fatigue and making them discard cards, by using cards like coldlight oracle and the like.
"Milling" is the act of trying to win by running your opponent out of cards, rather than attacking them. Mill decks in hearthstone use cards like Coldlight Oracle to force your opponent to draw. The main goal is to get the opponent to the point where their drawn cards are destroyed due to the fact that they've too many in their hand. The two main mill decks are Rogue and Druid. Druid uses cards like Naturalize to make your opponent draw many cards, whereas Rogue uses such cards as Vanish to fill the opponent's hand.
Milling is when you force your opponent to draw so much, they eventually deck out and you win. This is viable in other TCGs, mostly Magic the gathering, but HS is yet to see a good milling deck
cairne was like, ''no son, i never died, it was deception, i was in sneeds shredder this whole time''
Johnny Chester ooh lol, if not for you i wouldn't even have noticed i got any amount of likes >,
On Garrosh side.
Can we call a Sneed's Shredder a Decepticon right now? :D
DayOfCasual Yes!
DayOfCasual The Deception is real!!
I've never heard Nozdormu's attack sound before today
TIMES UP
Noe Gutierrez thats leeroys -.-
WELL MET!
***** HEH, GREETINGS
Korlis The pleasure is mine
Just realized that it's been ages since I've last seen Nozdormu...
No one plays that card its shit
shuvo rahman maybe if they changed the efect to "battlecry: your enemy skips his turn"
MyViolador if that was the battlecry u could just spam him with rogue or the 2 drops that return him to your hand xD
it should be battlecry your enamy cant play any card next turn
battlecry : your enemy has 5 secs for his next turn, DONE
Missplay at 21 minutes, you could have checked if the piloted shredders deathrattle summoned a doomsayer which would have wiped the board on your opponents turn, instead of conceding
Never seen a Hunter who hasn't topdecked the win...
Sounds like some butthurt
CamTheKitty sounds like you play scumbag hunter
*topdicked
FTFY
To be fair that's kind of how they win. They rush you down to 10 and then just keep shooting you and fishing for kill command.
zeroazure0 I don't play scumbag hunter but if you can reliably topdeck a win then you just have a good deck. If you have 3 health, and live for 2 turns,don't qq when they "topdeck" the first kill command out of the 2 remaining in their deck of 10 cards..
On the other hand, I do say rush shouldn't be a thing in any card game. The shorter a round is, the more impact each roll will have, and in the current meta, a lucky lightning storm roll will win or lose a game, which is kinda silly imo :(
I like the part where trump insulted his opponent, called him a scum bag, and then didn't play around Kill command and lost. Anyone could have told you that armoring up puts you out of range of so many different things bro.
In fairness, wasting so much mana seems really bad in most situations.
fala em portugues o google tradutor traduz tudp nada a ver
Can you find a problem with that. The deck literally takes no skills. Simply play your hand and win every game. Can't win? Press your hero ability and use kill command. Boom. Game could be around 5 turns long
every hunter that plays the aggro undertaker hunter is called a "scumbag hunter". it's not a "this guy is a scumbag because he beat me" it's a "this deck is the deck only scumbags play."
which i guess is also insulting but it's a joke.
Another critic with 20/20 hindsight. Stay classy UA-cam comments...
The fact that the first hunter beat you makes me want to cry for this game.
After watching trumps high rank videos, I am pretty glad I am in the low ranks. Every deck seems to be the same, if not, very similar to last seasons decks. The high levels of this game are very boring.
newbies nowadays are so hilarious.
Angel M. You must play a cookie cutter handlock, zoo, control warrior, or huntard amirite guys?
Well, if you play competitively in any card game, it'd end up being about the same: a handful of popular deck archetypes being about all you see. Granted, Hearthstone is still pretty new and doesn't have all that many cards, so there are probably less archetypes than in other card games, but the point is still there.
The only unfortunate thing is that I frequently run into people netdecking on Casual while all I want to do is be silly with pandas or something.
TheAmberFang I see much more variety in the slums of the ranks than in Trumps league. I understand why, but it makes me sad that people just stick with one thing throughout the seasons. If they find it fun then fine, but when everyone else hates it it makes half the players in a match unhappy.
Well, that's a typical CCG for ya.
trump, just want to say, you're the best, keep it up man.
Your videos are awesome Trump! I hope you try making that demon deck you said you might try. It sounds like it'll be interesting!
Why no one play Nozdormu?
At 25:50 wouldn't just playing the FWA and Sludge Belcher be the best play? The deathrattle on Death's Bite would trigger.
The Mage in the last match brought your Alex to 4 health with a Fireblast, this turn indicated that he has flamestrike even though Alex was the only creep on your side
I buy packs almost every pay check, usually the $20 for 15. And I think I've gotten a total of 3-4 legendaries. I've been playing since open beta. The hell, Blizzard?
did rag get a special soundbite for guldan? When he got played he said "die imposter!"(or insect im not sure), or has it always been like that?
He got a new sound in general, with the GvG patch.
21:30 you kill the 4/2 and it spawns doomsayer and it wipes the board before he can react. Probably would have lost from their still but their was hope!
Just did 5 games with a slight variation of this deck (replaced Baron with Hogger) 4 wins out of 5 at rank 14. Pretty solid deck. Won against 4 zoo and lost to hand lock (bad draws)
Can anyone explain why sea giant is a thing now and not before? Gvg I guess, but why exactly?
What is the enemies card back at 5:36?
what does he do on that white board
where can download left hand side that cards reminder UI?
Why are the zoos running oozes someone explain plz I don't understand.
A Bloodhoof family reunion, how touching. Though coming together under Garrosh's banner is a little weird.
I find it kind of ironic that Trump was at Molten Giant rank in this video; against the first couple of aggro decks that he fought, Trump could've played a 0 cost Molten Giant on turn 7 in each match. Not entirely convinced it would've helped, but it would've been major value.
The moment the hunter obviously started raising him he should have known that 6 life + 2 armor wouldnt be enough to survive the next turn.
What's with warlock running sea giants??
4:06 editing or new Rag attack sound?
New sound, I have heard it myself when playing.
If you had the Choice to have a pet Murloc, a Slime , or a Mana Wyrm IRL, which one would you pick?
I would pick a Murloc.
What's Echoing Ooze doing in Zoo?
What does he write on the whiteboard?
Goddamn warriors are expensive to properly deckbuild for.
my biggest problem with warrior right here, i love him but is just so expensive to get best results from him.... i really wish there were easier strategies for warrior to build.... this is one of the reasons for zoo decks being so common (effective yet cheap, like 1500 dust only) and why people hate zoo so much
gaby71190 hell, i got everything from packs and the arachnid quarter when it was free for zoo
But fun tho.
gaby71190
Tbh warrior is pretty hated in the higher tier ranks, its most of what you see atm.
Behold the Control Paladin
Subliminal response to Amaz, "Ask Jeeves", haha, well played Trump ;)
can you get baine bloodhoof from sneed too?
That's an interesting thought. Maybe. I wouldn't know.
Nope, sneed only summons collectible legendaries
can sneed summon sneed again then?
MoDRun Yes ...
Hearthstone Bucketlist
Kill someone with Nozdormu in high ranked. - Check
is it me or does the deck list on the left seem kinda squashed?
does iron juggernaut fit in that deck?
Yes
Trumps vids always on point, definitely one of my top channels i look at.
lol,I wasn't aware that zoolocks are running seagiants now.
that second game ;-;
and would you put it in?
wow never saw that Nozdormu card. must be new
Cool effect.
But Nozdormu is a classic card...
I dont know what list Trump is playing, but only 1 Shieldmaiden isnt the right choice. Its so good against aggro if you gain a foothole. You can take out the Sneed considering the fact hes running 5 other legends who are 6 mana or more.
Sneed??? that is one of the best legendaries ever made, maybe get rid of the dr boom or alex, although I know alex can be really good in control matchups
Patchy See, thats where YOURE wrong, Dr Boom pretty much can fit in any deck. even huntards are putting him because hes that good. and youre insane if you dont have Alex in Control Warrior cause of the one two punch she has with Grom.
Patchy
Yes Sneeds. It's slow and unreliable. Dr. Boom ist the kinda strongest GvG Legendary. All the other legendarys are crucial for Control Warrior.
xLegendaryPete i play control warrior but i dont have alex and harrison, i have all the other legendaries though and it still works fine (i have syl, rag, boom, hogger, grom and geddon)
FinnQwert Well then youre doing it wrong cause from every person that hits legend, I doubt you win any games without Alex
5:40 smfh typical HUNTARD doesn't understand there are other targets except face.....
Nozdormu should be a 4/12 instead of an 8/8, would probably increase his viability a bit.
Still be a garbage card. Why not just pick Ysera, it's better in everyway.
Hey guys help me out with this. So I ran into someone called Trump on Hearthstone 10 minutes ago, and he was playing a Warlock mech deck. He greeted me first (Unlike trump) He played Annoy-a-Tron (Unlike Trump) , and he also lost. (Unlike Trump). It was also rank 13 so im alittle confused. Can u use the same names as other people? Or what?
Many people can use the same name on Battlenet. Individuals are differentiated by a unique ID that you can see next to your name by opening your friends list; I believe it is referred to as a Battletag.
different realm maybe, us eu asia servers have different ppl on them
What the hell did you write on the board? o.O
i think its people who subscribe during the stream
Have you ever watched his stream?
nope I didn't so I can't know it :P
The second game was misplayed.
Cool story bro.
TheGamingPro Of course Trump will not learn from his mistakes and lose with many cards in hand yet again, as he has tunnel vision.
I've pulled 3 nozdormus out of packs. It might be a sh*t card but for funzies in the lower ranks of ladder its produces some laughs when your enemy panicks. cause you know... who the hell expects it
Can sneeds shredder contain another sneeds shredder?
yep
Why sheep over 1/3 taunt guy?
i now know what nozdormu says when he attacks.
9:50 What did you write on the board? You got the handwriting of a dokter!
Is any one else happy that the media has change to more than 6 different decks.
"Your time is up"
-Nozdormu 2066
ooze in zoo? anyone help me know why?
cleric, defender and other various buff cards i guess
They should of just named the last expansion "Agro Decks GO! GO! GO!"
Fel reaver in a priest deck with silence would be cool
Why was he calling the hunter a scumbag? Is a certain hunter deck OP?
At 21:00 Baron your luck for Doomsayer!
21:21 You still could have survived; baron geddon, killing piloted shredder, then summoning a doomsayer ;D
21:25 MISPLAY he could had played bearon and the shredder could have made doomsayer
the likelihood of that is slim to none. I wouldn't call that a misplay, but a "the odds are far against me." Sure that may have been the only way out, and it could have happened, but it probably would not have.
why no iron juggernaut?
6 mana 6-5
Probably due to its inconsistency
8:41 why the fuck don't you armor up when u're only 8 hp against an hunter, god damn
Hearthstone really feels like it's gone down hill in the last 6 months or so...
At 8:35 Trump's greed lost him the game again... Why not simply trade Harrison Jones and armor up? There was no combo that would have killed him the next turn and then he could have played Alexstrasza and win anyway. I swear, Trump is being greedy for literally no reason sometimes and that costs him (both in constructed and arena).
If you ain't playing warrior with iron juggernaut and pandas you ain't living
21:27
play baron and pray for a doomsayer was probably the only way out
Nozdormu is basically new Meta
Trump, there was roughly a 1 in 400 chance of you being able to come back from that mage game, if he had gotten a doomsayer. Just saying.
*The Fel Reaver Debate Solved (An Article)*
_What Trump and the Majority of the Comment Section Got Wrong_
Disclaimer: This is purely my assessment of thoughts, feel free to add to the discussion by replying.
*The Two Cases*
1) Trump argues that the card discards from Fel Reaver have absolutely no impact in the game.
2) Others argue that the burns from Fel Reaver have a negative impact on the game.
*Card Advantage*
Wikipedia defines card advantage as “a term used in collectible card game strategy to indicate one player having access to more cards than another player, usually by *drawing more cards through in-game effects.* The concept was first described early in the evolution of Magic: The Gathering strategy, where many early decks relied on a player drawing more cards than their opponent…”
The key to understand card advantage is the act of specifically *drawing* cards from your deck. The cards you draw are totally random and their order is too.
This is why cards such as Azure Drake and Gnomish Inventor are considered good cards. They essentially replace themselves in terms of cards, while still providing a body with good stats on the board.
Cards like Thoughtsteal and Arcane Intellect act similarly. They generate card advantage because they replace themselves but add an additional card into your hand. Unlike the previous example, however, they do not provide an additional body.
Both cases are still card advantage. If the Azure Drake or Gnomish Inventor manage to trade for 1 or more of the opponent’s cards, such as removal spells or an enemy minion, then the player with the Azure Drake/Gnomish Inventor managed to gain card advantage. It took a card to kill the body, but the card replaced itself. Hence, the Azure Drake/Gnomish Inventor created a favorable 2 for 1 scenario. If the body managed to draw more of the opponent’s cards, then the scenario turns into a 3 for 1, etc.
A way to generate card advantage is through overall “value” minions/spells. These are cards that manage to remove 2 or more of the opponent’s cards with the use of just 1 card. Fel Reaver without card text is a “value” minion, because is a 5 mana 8/8, which is spectacular stats, which will can draw out 2 or more of the opponent’s cards, generating card advantage. However, the debate arises over it’s card text: “Whenever your opponent plays a card, discard the top 3 cards of your deck.”
*Random Discards*
Would you consider discarding cards as having a significant impact in the game, despite absolute randomness?
The answer is yes, and no. This is due to Hearthstone's fatigue mechanic, and the fact that Fel Reaver reveals burned cards.
Take this scenario as an example. Let's take a card that is usually absolutely crucial to win most games. (i.e. Alexstraza in freeze mage) Alexstraza is a key card in freeze mage, as it sets up lethal for burn spells or restores the health of the mage to the point of stabilization (though the former is more likely). Although illogical (for obvious reasons), let's say the mage runs Fel Reaver in her deck. There will always be a random chance of Fel Reaver burning Alexstraza. The chance of Alexstraza being burned is the same as any other card in the deck. Remember that the deck orientation throughout the game is always random, and there is no way to know what card the players will draw, except for when the card is the last card in the deck.
There is always (in fraction form) a 1/x chance (where x is the number of cards left in the mage's deck) of any particular card in the mage's deck being burned. It does not matter how many cards are burned, there is never a higher chance of Alexstaza being burned than any other remaining card in the deck.
Because there is always an equal chance of discard, and Alexstraza always assumes a random position the mage's deck,*the probability of Alexstraza being discarded is EQUAL to any other card in the deck, and the probability of Alexstraza never being drawn is EQUAL to any other card in the deck.*
Yes, I know. Some may comment “but the mage runs _two_ Ice Blocks and _two_ Fireballs, and _two_ Ice Lances, etc.!” Just because they are two copies of one identical card doesn’t mean that the probability of “two-ofs” vs. “one-ofs” should be excluded. Let’s name the remaining Fireballs in the mage’s deck (assuming that there are 2 left) For simplicity’s sake, their names are “Fireball 1” and “Fireball 2.” The probability of Alexstraza being discarded is still the same as any other card. The rule still applies for identical names of cards. *Probability of Alexstraza discard = probability of Fireball 1 discard = probability of Fireball 2 discard.* In terms of cards (Fireball 1, Fireball 2), there is still an equal discard chance. *However, since there are two copies of Fireball left, the chance of Fireball being discarded is twice as likely as the chance of Alexstraza being discarded.*
Therefore, Fel Reaver’s discards have no effect on card advantage whatsoever, under the circumstances that you never hit the point of fatigue. This is because the cards you burn are essentially you never drawing them.
*Tracking*
Still not convinced? Take the hunter card Tracking for example. “Look at the top three cards of your deck. Draw one and discard the others.” This card is considered good because while it does not generate card advantage, it provides the player with more options. The fact that the two discards are gone may actually be a benefit, because the player may not want to draw those cards in the coming turns. Is tracking bad because you “lose” the two cards?
No, because as we discussed before, the odds of discarding the cards is the same as never even drawing them. The exception comes from fatigue. For now, just think of Fel Reaver’s discards as that of tracking, but you have no control over it. In other words, this was just to reaffirm the point that Fel Reaver’s discards DO NOT matter until fatigue.
As a side note, at one point I believe Trump had to defend the card Tracking because of its discard “downside.” I find it amusing that he has to employ the same argument again for Fel Reaver.
*Where Trump Went Wrong (Slightly), The Value of Information*
Trump claims that there is “absolutely” no downside to Fel Reaver’s discard until the player hits fatigue (more on fatigue in the next section). This is wrong. Because the Fel Reaver’s discards are shown to your opponent, he/she knows what cards to play around. He/she knows, for instance, that Gromash Hellscream in no longer in your deck, or that you have no more Eviscerates, or that the secret you just played can’t be Ice Block because you just burned two of them. Information comes at a cost.
*Fatigue*
Tracking and Fel Reaver have a _potential_ downside, in that they induce fatigue. If fatigue is never reached, then there is no downside to Fel Reaver’s discards except for information. This notion of information can’t be said for Tracking, though, because the discards from Tracking are not revealed to the opponent. If at any point in time, a player cannot draw a card at the start of their turn mainly because of Fel Reaver’s discards, then card advantage is to be taken account.
Fel Reaver does not affect card advantage initially because it is on the contingency of fatigue. Because cards in the player’s hand are not affected in until the end of the game, Fel Reaver isn’t strictly a loss in cards. *We can interpret Fel Reaver’s limitation of card draw at the end of the game as a “delayed loss of cards.” Again, this only applies because a player could not draw a card normally.
*Final Verdict*
*As long as Fel Reaver’s discards do not limit cards drawn because of reaching fatigue (essentially losing a card), it has no downside except for information.*
*A Typical Fel Reaver*
Let’s take Fel Reaver for what it typically is: “5 mana 8/8, reveal the ⅓ (one-third) of the total cards in your deck to your opponent, and discard the cards.”
Would it be a good card, or a bad card?
In the case of an aggressive deck in which most games don’t result in the player reaching fatigue, it is 5 mana 8/8, lose deck information.
In the case of a control deck in which reaching fatigue is more likely, Fel Reaver is a 5 mana 8/8, take a delayed loss of card advantage dependent on the number of cards you were limited from drawing, lose deck information.
*Implications*
Don’t run Fel Reaver in a deck which is heavily reliant on drawing a particular card.
Don’t run Fel Reaver in a deck in which you do not want to reveal an innovative play style to your opponent.
Don’t run Fel Reaver in a heavy control deck, or a control deck in which it is somewhat likely to reach fatigue.
Never play Fel Reaver against a Miracle Rogue.
*Fel Reaver is best suited for an aggressive deck like Trump’s. :)*
In the case of reaching fatigue with a deck like Trump’s anyway, the downside of Fel Reaver’s “delayed loss of card advantage” is even less so than previously discussed. By the time Trump is fatiguing, he probably lost anyway because the game went long enough and he is playing an aggressive deck against a slower deck.
Was dead end a reference to mirai nikki ? :D
"Fekz hit face. Fekz do good."
Trump you need to turn the game volume down and your voice volume up as the game sounds oer power your voice!
Hey trump, since GvG came out why don't u do another Beard Challenge with TotalBiscuit, i mean, more beards the better.
I just hate these new aggro mages, kind of a new zoo which deteriorates the ladder...
Kind of ironic leroy..
Or just salty because no one of those play leeroy?
Yup, we have such a variety of disease on ladder now. Cancer hunter, Zoo aids, Ebola mage
lightbladeMCnStuff
It's better to have many than only one, though, you gotta admit.
I've got the next weapon, the icy peace axe
WARNING: SPOILERS I GUESS
On a completely unrelated note to this video, congrats to Trump for making it to Legendary once again! Huzzah!
You forgot to put ice lance in your deck!!!!!
One shield block....? Uh what...?
what did trump write on the whiteboard and why, quite new to trump
Most of his youtube uploads are taken from his stream, and he writes the names of anyone who subs to his stream on that whiteboard. Usually he cuts it out of his youtube vids but I think he kept it in this time because he was explaining.
Y U NO USE IRON JUGGERNAUT!!
After watching TDD's arena runs, i need 12 cc's of value from Trump.
Why are people so mad about Trump calling that one hunter a scumbag?
He wasn't even that serious, lol.
This is perhaps the first time I've seen Trump attack with Nozdormu. He even heard what Nozdormu said, only proving that Trump never played Nozdormu. Talk about a crappy card!
does anyone else think that this deck build for control warrior is a little weak in this meta?
Trump you need to cut sneeds it is too damn slow as too rng. Take it out and put in a second shield maiden it helps vs aggro tremendously.
Trump goes to Rope so often, Norzdormu might actually be a good card against him.
that mage match....I personally would have hoped to kill the shredder and hope he got a doomsayer.
"Let the BAAAAAH speak to me"
Am I the only one that noticed Trump started saying "scumbag" a lot?
Now I know I'm that good at the game ( I avg around rank 10-12), but every time I go up against a warrior, no matter what I play, they seem to have the answers Sway. I officially have my first deck that I hate lol
Why is Trmp so bad against aggro?
He knows it is an agro deck with no endgame yet is unable to adjust. Basically he plays all opponents the same because he is a poor strategist.
So many aggro decks in High ranks these days....i expected more handlocks,warriors,druids.
9:00 is why people hate hunters so much.
"Milling is not viable" - what is milling? What is he talking about?
Getting your opponent to overdraw their deck, getting them into fatigue and making them discard cards, by using cards like coldlight oracle and the like.
"Milling" is the act of trying to win by running your opponent out of cards, rather than attacking them. Mill decks in hearthstone use cards like Coldlight Oracle to force your opponent to draw. The main goal is to get the opponent to the point where their drawn cards are destroyed due to the fact that they've too many in their hand. The two main mill decks are Rogue and Druid. Druid uses cards like Naturalize to make your opponent draw many cards, whereas Rogue uses such cards as Vanish to fill the opponent's hand.
thanks everyone :)
Milling is when you force your opponent to draw so much, they eventually deck out and you win. This is viable in other TCGs, mostly Magic the gathering, but HS is yet to see a good milling deck
It's when you build a wind mill
SPOILER: Trump hit legend with Handlock this day
And everyone is netdecking Xixo's sea giant zoo. How sad lol.
Trump missed the geddon into kill shredder and pray for a doomsayer play.
ZooTard ZooTard everywhere....
9:10 Yes you can be sad to lose against that fake rank 2 Kappaaa :D
27:30 This is what i HATE to hear talking about TCG... -_-