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BioShock Collection Xbox One X/PS4 Pro Upgrades Tested: BioShock 1&2 / BioShock Infinite!
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- UPDATE: Xbox One stuttering can be fixed by running the game offline, confirmed. (source from VGTech: / 1268496518970896384 . This should be easily patchable by the developer. Here's a video showing the offline mode's perf: • BioShock 1/2 Xbox One ...
Alongside The BioShock Collection's Switch release, upgrades have been released for PlayStation 4 Pro and Xbox One X. For BioShock and its sequel, it's an adequate but underwhelming 1440p, while Xbox One X renders at 4K - albeit with its own unique issues. BioShock Infinite is confirmed at 1440p for both systems. Bizarrely, if you have your PS4 Pro set to 1080p output mode with super-sampling disabled, native 1080p is the best you get. Surprise upgrades are nice, but bearing in mind that these are PS3/Xbox 360 remasters, we expected better.
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why no switch comparison included, hope borderlands for switch is also next
The "gamma curve" difference between the two consoles I believe are due to the same issue every comparison omitted in the last generation of consoles, I believe it's called HDMI Black Level in the PS4 but don't quote me on that, there's an option that allows for Full RGB and another for Limited. Same as in PS3 and Xbox 360.
The image looks more washed out color wise with less deep blacks on comparison because that option is not set correctly. I believe "Limited" shows a more punchier picture with regular screens, while "Full" provides a better balanced picture for HDR compliant screens, since they can actually display all the black levels without just flattening it out to "grayish".
@@tommapar no dude u can look at pc it looks as light as ps4, it's just xbox and its crushed blacks, while more contrast can look good, it is when u get in moments that are really dark making it hard to see versus on the others it's as intended where u can still see the detail in dark spots...plus to get it to look like xbox u can easily do that in tv settings over trying to reverse it
tommapar88 Xbox uses a non standard gamma curve, this is separate from black levels. Most games correct for it now, but some do not. Games look best when black levels and gamma are set to the matching settings on your TV. For most games this is a 2.2 gamma curve, and the black level is dependent on your console settings. It’s typically best to leave black level settings on auto.
@@melxb The PC has the same options for limited and full RGB with similar effects. At least NVIDIA with its control panel has that option
What is it with 2K and their remasters. The Bioshock Collection was already a little rough around the edges on the vanilla consoles. Then they produce a shoddy Mafia 2 remaster and somehow manage to make a complete mess of Mafia 3, taking away the games Pro and X enhancements. And now we have this. Bioshock and Mafia deserve far better treatment.
Mafia 2 Remaster is excellent on PC, over 200fps at 1440p no complaints here.
CPC_RedDawn I think the comment was more aimed at the console remasters which have been iffy at best.
Old generation game does not support temporal anti aliasing at that time.. Even if they remastered the game, aliasing will still be visible on console...
They just don't care about their products. Make you reconsider even getting their current and upcoming projects.
@@MrBenedick14 Still prefer the 360 version to the remaster for first Bioshock Digital Foundry covered this and a lot of the atmosphere was ruined in this remaster thankfully the original version supports unlocked frame rate so it's stable 60 on X.
It’s physically impossible for 2K to get a remaster right.
hmm i thought it was outsourced, no?
mel b I believe it was outsourced to Virtuos again and they didn’t make a very good job of it last time. They redid all the textures and changed the look (unless I’m thinking of what they did to the Arkham remasters?)
@@dreamcastfan yeap see i figured and u are right similar to arkham they changed assets for the worse/made some uglier material vs just keeping the same assets but at higher texture quality smh
@@dreamcastfan the only addition i do like is the seaweed, otherwise they shouldn't have messed with the rest, i think infinite tho has been left alone when it comes to any of that...call of duty guys and bluepoint and saber do some great remakes/remasters
@@melxb Virtuos worked on this patch and not the original remaster team Flying Wild Squirrel. I think that's their name anyway. It was Squirrel something? Haha!
Basically, they just enabled a higher resolution and ignored the side-effects.
can't wait to see how devs will tank next gen consoles. with no way to adjust graphical settings, console gamers will once again be at the mercy of the devs regardless how powerful the machines will be.
That's been a majority of games that get enhanced console upgrades unfortunately.
@@PushStart_YT my worry for next gen
@@Luke973T my only worry for the next gen is frame rate, 120fps is only available for older games like xbox original and some selected xbox 360 games.....many developers really favor ps5 hardware , because it is the easiest console to develop , much more faster than the xbox series x with no bottleneck both gpu and the cpu all developers can access the full 10.28 teraflops right away ps5 can render open world game much faster than xbox series x ps5 ram memory is much more easy to manage to take full advantage.... Xbox series x is the hardest console to develop for the next gen because of the ram memory and the main chip, according to the developers even if they manage to solve the puzzle in reaching the full potential 12 teraflops, expect some bottlenecks performance..xbox series x has bottleneck, according to the most developers... Xbox is trying to be more powerful, with bottleneck ... Sony is really confident of the ps5.. digital foundry favors ps5 in hardware..they are a little worried about the xbox series x performance.. Digital foundry said more teraflops is not everything... Sony ps5 spec was base on the developers wants to see in the next generation.. Both ps5 and xbox series x has tge same architecture under amd, both console has different approach in development... Ps5 is more balance
@@MrBenedick14 I feel like thats just excuses and bs. No one said any of this before sony's ssd claims. And how do we know this from people who don't even have a devkit. Alot of holes
2k: "Do you want remastered visuals? Stable 60fps? HOW ABOUT NEITHER!!"
yep, PC ftw lol
I'll just go back to playing Bioshock at 4k with 16x AF at 90 FPS on my GTX 1050 ti.
@@CaveyMoth I'll just go back to playing it at 4k max settings with my GTX 1080 and soon to be RTX 3080 :D. PC master race.
@@CaveyMoth
All that with a freaking 1050ti ?
Bruhhhhh.....
@@CaveyMoth yawn 😦
Was looking forward to this. Thanks guys.
Nicholas Singh but not now
Dont worry is good you have to have a freaking magical eye to notice most things he talk about exept the tearing that's noticeable if you looking for it
Still looks solid
@@nemesisencounter2060 oh yeah besides the "magical" drop from 60 to 35-45. And the screen tearing which can be very obvious.
This is shockingly bad, I mean its as if they just went through each game and turned on and off settings at random. I mean a mid range PC can crunch through these games at 4k60fps with ease and zero drops. I don't think this is the console hardware at fault its more like the devs simply not knowing what they are doing.
Strange how the consoles are running into memory bandwidth issues when these games... don't use much memory at all.
Timmy51m I had no problems at all with bioshock 2 remaster & finished it last week at 4K 120fps, I haven’t tried bioshock 1 though.
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I played the first hour of bioshock 1 remaster with a gtx 1070. 4k60 not a single drop :D
@@Timmy51m Recently tried to play through them again starting with the remasters. For me everything looks and runs great but it crashes 20% of the time when I open the map. I gave up. Are the originals running ok for you? I do own them. Win 10?
I think you guys should do a deep dive into console AF. Time after time, we see AF being used that is "sub par" whether that be lower multipliers or linear options.
The question is: why??? Even a rx 470 can handle 16x AF with NO perceivable performance loss. What are Sony/Microsoft/Developers seeing that we are not? Is limited memory buffers a factor? Bandwidth? I've had this question for years and I think DF is the only people who could properly investigate this.
I second this :)
Yesssss!!!
Yeah. AF has essentially no performance hit at all at this point in time.
Don't no forget that all unenhanced games get upgraded to 16xAF on the X. So why is it not used in enhanced games?
Hell digital foundry made a point about this with Halo 5. Before it's update, it got the 16xAF boost. But after the X update, it was reduced and it looked bad
Same for this game actually.
I just beat Bioshock 2 the other day before the update.
But then it had the forced 16xAF. Now it's gone.
All the issues, even the AA low quality texture draw distance issues have been fixed on the Xbox SX. So it’s 4K/60 and god damn gorgeous.
Anisotropic?
I love when there's a new Digital Foundry video. It makes my day.
Your positive comment makes my day too.
The stuttering is due to the games constantly connecting to the 2K servers putting your Xbox one x into offline mode fixes this issue for both games
Dude thank you so much this worked
Only for xbox one or series X too?
This game looked better on One X when the unpatched version had a near completely locked 60fps, as well as forced 16x anisotropic filtering on all three titles.
Surprise! Underwhelming remaster gets underwhelming update!
The stutter happens even on a PC with ssd. Been running into the same issue.
I have no stuttering on PC, and use max setting at 4k.
Stutter on PC is related to Win 10 in many cases , not with games ... Forza 7 and need for speed where some of the games that had that problem until they update win ! In my case at least
I have no stutter on my old laptop, i7 4750HQ with GTX950m, stable 60 at 1080p
Some people are more sensitive to frame drops and stuttering. I think this is the case more then anything.
Also game developers are rushed way to much in making game's. I wonder how long they have to remaster a game compared to a normal game development cycle. Either way so think all game development needs to take longer. We as gamers have been getting feed allot of garbage quality games.
I want to see quality over quantity.
Yeah, I am running on a 2080ti, 9900k, 16 gigs, intel NVMe at 4k and they are definitely not supposed to happen in spite of being maxed out. Turning on vsync and reloading the checkpoint help alleviate the issue a bit on Infinite.
"Buy a shack 1 and Buy a shack 2"
Ex Bax one ax
lol
"Meh-Lay"
know what rhymes with shack?...--- KNACK,the greatest game franchise (by far) of all time
Buy a Shack Infinite. Game about buying shacks infinitely.
After all this years still there is no fix for the anisotropic filtering on ps4, DF I think I will be good to send this analysis to them to see if they can fix those minor issues so we can play this games as they should
Good man yourself !! :)
It's amazing how devs are afraid of turning AF to 16x on older games, AF barely makes a dent in performance lol.
Bioshock Infinite runs since the October Patch for the One X also in 4k@60hz (or near 4k) resolution. Its much sharper now.
Would love to see analysis of the Switch version of this - as well as Borderlands and XCom
Is the same but in 30 fps and no antialising 1080p
@@NelekGamingNG Except significantly better because its portable and your expectations are lower.
Nobody goes "wow, can't believe Bioshock can run on my PS4 Pro!". But it is almost always a delight to play a great classic game running well on the Switch.
Where is the "Switch" Version Test of Bioshock?
It’s called the Xbox 360
If you just want the resolution and fps info VG Tech already has a video out, otherwise be patient.
@@1Obearz No it's not. Switch port actually looks much better than original 360 version, even in handheld mode.
@@1Obearz uhm. Nope. As far as I know it's based on the remastered versions.
@@1Obearz if only. It's actually the vastly inferior remastered version running like the 360 one. Worst of both worlds. Still looks great in handled tho.
Glad you made me more aware of animation and camera stutter Alex!
I have been experiencing this throughout the Metro Series and its 4A Engine and I was thinking that I was just crazy.
When running Exodus at high frames rates, often times, NPC character animations seem to update at much lower FPS than the game itself (this was especially noticeable in the Caspian level for me).
Meanwhile Metro 2033 has this weird issue of camera stutter when you are close to wire fences (although it is not actually dropping frames).
The Metro redux is a better remaster than this
"Would you kindly review the Switch version... Thank you son"
💯
Just started playing bioshock 1 on one x and the stuttering was very bad but unbelievably I tried a fix by playing offline and it fixed it completely I really didn't expect that to work but I'm very happy that it did
I hope everyone at Digital Foundry has a great day!
Alex is such a great addition to Digital Foundry.
Who?
Running around Rapture in the DLC for Bioshock Infinite has been really rough in terms of loading frame drops.
Kinda weird, I always felt that bioshock 1 and 2 feel like they are held together by a duct tape. Wonder what's going on with the engine or whatever. It never felt smooth and proper on any PC that I played them...
@Yaro Maybe some of that water from the ocean not only leaked through the cracks into Rapture...but also leaked into the game engine as well !! Lmao !! XD
Why even put out patches until they're ready for primetime? Feels pretty short sighted
That's pretty much every game put out in this modern era.
@DuckAlert Beats Hahaha !! Yeah the patches are patchy !!
I love you guys. Your videos are always on point and help set clear expectations for visual fidelity and performance. Thank you.
Let the Masters eventually emerge with the Switch analysis. Be patient
Yes, is this forthcoming?
As someone not familiar, who are you referring to? I would definitely want to see this when it's ready :)
@@ozzyzak There is no UA-cam channel in existence with more knowledge and capacity to analyze a game than Digital Foundry. They are the true masters. They even analyzed real life once
Switch will be a shitshow won't it?
Nice thanks for the update guys! Heard that these titles received updates on other platforms, and it's nice to see exactly what they tweaked.
Also good to know we were both staring at the same walls early this week :P
Dude you are just one guy and so talented they are a group of people. Kudos to you
Before these patches. The PS4 Pro Version with Boost mode on actually played at a locked 60fps on Bioshock 1&2 and an even more stable fps on Bioshock Infinite with boost mode on. Which was a big improvement from how they ran on base PS4 at launch. Like they were pretty much perfect. Minus texture Filtering which was a PS4 bug that was fixed with a system stability patch for later UE3 and UE4 games on PS4. But Dishonred Definitive Edition and DMC on PS4 still have the Filtering bug. DMC was patched later on though. But I'd rather have the 1080p 60fps with Boost Mode on, on Pro as it actually runs way better on all of the Bioshock games on PS4 Pro then. Also you can fix the micro stutters or background streaming fps drops by using a SSD.
Is it possible to put the system output to 1080p, super sampling off and boost mode on? That is the old 1080p60FPS on the new patch?
@@CroneRaven1810 If you switch to 1080p with Super Sampling off before you start the game. It should be a native 1080p, and not a downsampled 1440p. If you have 4k TV just switch to 1080p before you start the game and it will also be a native 1080p and not a downsampled 1440p. So try that. It should work. And then you should get a locked 60fps on Bioshock 1&2 and 60fps locked on Infinite with slight drops in only two places. The chimney section and the section where you are at the dock over looking the town with a skyrail going around it. I forget that sections name. But do this and you should get better performance.
The stutter ONLY happens if you're system is connected to the internet. Not sire why but go offline and the stutter in bio 1 and 2 stops completely. 👍
Play offline on XBox One X and it completely fixes the stuttering. Temporary fix until they patch.
IT REALLY WORKS!!!, WHY IS THAT??? THANKS MAN..
Was there ever a patch released?
@@coopercurtis8502 Apparently not. I bought the collection today, and the stuttering is still there while playing with internet.
Would you kindly let the viewers know which patch version were discussing here. I understand this is 1.03?
wow, these games deserved so much more love. Now do the switch versions. Thanks DF
2k Games and lousy remasters.
Name a more iconic duo.
Ubisoft and downgrades
Billie Kay and Peyton Royce the iconics
Diavolo and doppio
Looks like I won’t replay this collection until at least after the launch of next gen.
Just don't play the collection, and you'll have a good time.
Good for you 👍
Lol you playing it now?
Just started this again on X. Completed it on 360, Xbox 1 and PC. Still a gorgeous game. Only about 30 mins in on BS1 and forgot how much I loved the Art Deco architecture ❤️. Hopefully a new patch will be incoming
to solve the judder on Xbox One X in bioshock 1 and 2 ..just disconnect from the internet and the problem will be solved completely
😁THE POWER OF THE CLOUD!!!😁
@@battleroyale1056 its just fixed it completely..and the developers is the problem not the consoles keep your fanboyism to you please..
we all Know that Xbox one X is better than pro unless its a lazy optimizing ..and in bioshock 1 and 2 its really better than pro with x2.23 the resolution and same framerate..
Can't wait to play all this games day one On Series X with backwards compatibility and auto HDR 😍
The performance issues in Bioshock 2 really hurt me since it's my favorite Bioshock game.
I was playing the new updated Bioshock 1 on Xbox one X and the game crashed like 3 times on me the 3rd time it crashed while it was saving the game and now I have a corrupted file! The game is super buggy now! I don’t remember it crashing that much on me before this update! Idk sucks cause Bioshock 1 is probably one of my favorite single player games all time!
never happened to me at all with any of the 3 games so you must be chatting shit
@@DarrenHoussein had no issues either.
@@DarrenHoussein That's how it is though with games and bugs on systems, whether it's consoles or PC's. Some people's consoles or PC's will manifest the bugs, and others won't. It's an enigma and I don't know why it works like this.....
@@jean-pierreraduocallaghan8422 Yeah you're probably right, im lucky enough to not be the guy to run into unlikely bugs and issues on games but I see it does happen like that.
Darszy idk why I would be lying lol wtf I’ve played the 360 versions of those games and I have all the achievements for the 1 and 2nd Bioshock on 360 and I bought the remastered versions because they are my favorite games I literally tried playing them a couple of days ago and at random times my game would just freeze and make a loud sound and take me back to the home screen! Idk 🤷🏻♂️ unless maybe my Xbox Scorpio Edition is getting old and taking a shit on me but I have no problems playing COD warzone or any other games! Idk 🤷🏻♂️
These games are screaming for a proper next gen remaster with ray tracing. The underwater effects would be mind blowing.
They're screaming to be made into TV series or movies.
Weird. I’ve had a smooth experience with the update on X. We’ll see when I get deeper into the games though.
Is BioShock 1 remastered native 4k?
@@galaticwars According to this video by Digital Foundry it is in 4K on Xbox One X and 1440p on PS4 Pro.
Gotta love that.. “millay” combat
Annnnnssssstropic filring (anisotropic filtering).
So glad to see the first game running on series x no longer has that annoying stuttering issue and runs very smooth. I’ve been replaying it the last few days and it is an amazing experience.
How about the other games?
Anisotropic and sound still broken?
@@turrican4d599 I mean I wasn’t analyzing all aspects but from my play through I didn’t notice any issues with audio or visuals. I don’t think there was any update for next gen. The extra power of the new consoles just smooths out the frame rate issues and makes overall resolution stay higher on average.
@@hugooliveira5578 They all seem to be running great on both series x and PS5.
This was such a tease, I’m waiting for the Switch version analysis.
Really disappointing patch for both consoles....Let's hope they patch this mess and not break other things in the process
I was in the middle of Bioshock 1 last week on my PS4 Pro/4K TV when the patch (1.3) dropped alongside a console update.
Confused, I installed/restarted my console and holy crap it was a huge improvement. All of a sudden everything was crisp and clear on my TV and my character movement was smooth. (This happened at the end of the Hephaestus level where you need to collect the parts to build the emp).
I wish I would've known this patch was coming because I would have gladly waited the extra couple days to be able to see crisp textures and fluid movement on my 4K TV for the entire game, it was like playing a remaster vs a crappy port.
Did you play it from the collection or just bioshock 1 itself
@@SkiCashEmOut The collection.
No Switch video about Bioshock?
In Bioshock 2, the speargun can´t pin the splicers on the walls in the remaster anymore. Good job from the developers to break this fun mechanic... Also, global lightning seems to be enabled by default, and you can´t turn it off, which degrades the lightning notably.
For anyone on Xbox One X with the stuttering issues - putting the console in offline mode stopped the stuttering for me. Weird I know, but worked. Kudos to the original poster of this idea. Not ideal, but a workaround for the time being. I created a ticket on 2K’s site. I’d encourage anyone to do the same.
It won't ever get patch, thank for sharing it, not useful for me though I refunded it, I'll just pirate it in pc, I don't think this kind of dev deserve any money, they make a broken game (borderlands 3) they remove pro enhanced from mafia 3 for both consoles when they release the definitive edition and now this awful stutter, is that even legal? mafia 3 thing seems illegal for me, you buy a game and then they reduce the quality, so you arent getting what you paid for
The original non-remastered Bioshock 1 and 2 on PC with a decent graphics card (RX480 in my case) are much better in terms of visual design, frame-rate, menu navigation and audio than both their remastered PC and console counterparts. You can play the originals on PC if you buy the remasters on either GOG or Steam which they are included with.
You're 100% right. For example, the flowing water in the corridors of Rapture looks like real, legit water. The water in the "remaster" just looks like videogame water. The way it animates and reflects light is just all screwed up compared to the original.
@@ZZZGGGLLLAAAHHH Thanks for the heads up regarding the originals vs the remasters.
Looks like I'll definitely be playing the originals on PC.
I've never played Bioshock because there is no good way to play it. The original PC ports have a ton of issues and crashes and are generally rough. When the remasters released I was excited to play them, only to see that water visuals were worse and that they ALSO have crashes. Years later both Bioshock ports still suck and there is no optimal way to play this game.
Another excellent video from you guys doing a great job, keep up the great work! But there is a very big and glaring issue people should be aware of with Bioshock infinite since this update! On Xbox one x, once you reach the good time club The performance of the game becomes absolutely horrid. The game will full on freeze and for a few seconds both in combat and out of combat at seemingly random but frequent. However during combat you experience a lot more slow down and frame drops. and somehow the problem seems to get only worse the further you progress in the game after the good time club. I thought this was a really glaring issue and would be important for others to know before they make a purchase or attempt to play BioShock infinite at least on the Xbox one x, I am unaware if this is a problem on other systems. Hopefully you guys are able to provide that awareness for others.
What if I set my PS4 Pro to 1080p? Will the framerate improve?
It should help. In most cases it does.
Why do consoles always have low levels (or no, in this case) of anisotropic filtering? On PC, I don't even notice performance impact from enabling it even at 16x.
bioshock 1 and 2 are masterpieces!
2K would you kindly gives us a patch soon please?
Hope will be see the switch analysis of Bioshock collection , you guys rock
Thanks, Alex! Great work as always! :D I was hoping they could release a fix to address the graphical downgrades in certain parts for this collection, compared to the originals. But it's sad that it remains this way.
Thanks for the coverage Alex!
Bioshock is one of my favorite franchises of all time and even with its issues, seeing this updated is great!
Well done and keep it up!
Same. I haven’t watched this video yet, but I love that when I get a PS5 I’ll be able to play the games in 1440p. I’ve already played through the collection on PS4, but I’ll take any excuse to play ‘em again
@@TheHulksMistress same man I've played thru these games so many times and have recently experienced the best on PC. Just happy to see this franchise getting some love and attention
Borderlands Legendary Collection on Switch please!
Great video as always Alex, thanks for the quality content.
This is why I am playing it on PS5 and so far they forgot the freezing problem in Bioshock 1 for the PS4 Pro version. My PS4 Pro become useless in less than two years. Now its just a media console for HBO MAX and Netflix
Wym?? Is there still stuttering on ps5?
I hope they fix Bio 1 and 2 on Xbox One X 😥
I clicked on the video thinking this was a switcher version being tested ahahah
if these things end up getting fixed plz keep us updated. I own them on both consoles cus i paied for it on xbox awhile back and then ps4 had em for the monthy free games. would prefer to replay it on xbox one x of course for the res bump but not if its not smoothed out by the time i decide to play em. Thanks!!!
Yeah hopefully they fix the bugs before the start of next gen.....and I hope also that those silly stupid bugs aren't present on next gen as well, coz I heard some people are having similar bugs even on PC's whether with low end or high end hardware. It's weird....
Thank yo ufor covering this!
Xbox One X still doing 4k and trouncing the ps4pro
Honestly, the originals are totally playable imo
I've just finished the original Bioshock on a modern windows 10 system and it was fine for me.
thousands of ps3s say noooooo!!!
@Digital Foundry, Do you think that the Xbox series X will bring it on par with the PC version?
Very interesting video. I only own the Xbox One S, but I still take a lot of interest for 4K assets of the games I own for when I eventually get the Series X. Having recently played back through the BioShock Collection I would be interested to see if, in the case of BioShock Infinite, the Emporia level still suffers from the abysmal performance issues that I at the very least encountered. Throughout the whole level I had non-stop stuttering that made it close to unplayable. I am not sure if it’s exclusive to current gen, or Xbox overall, but that level was the worst experience of the collection for me.
Was the Xbox One X stutter ever fixed?
The best way to experience this game is by you playing it on any system you please and loving every moment. Who needs comparisons when you can just play games and take in the experience on any device.
Damn these games are so beautiful design wise.
I’ve been thinking of revisiting these recently. Is the consensus still to play the original versions on PC and tweaking them to run properly at 60FPS?
2k doesn't deserve bioshock
Looks like 16 Times the Detail!!!
as always the xbox one x version is the way to play. sad about the stuttering bug though. seems to be an issue on pc too. hopefully it gets fixed soon.
I would take jaggies over blurry TAA every time. When im on pc %70 of the time i turn off Anti Aliasing.
Tbh this game was never optimized properly. This graphics with a new engine with good threading could do 100fps even on ps4.
No cpu is too weak on ps4
@@jerryberry3501 what about doom eternal though? looks even better and is 60fps, no?
Khamees Elbayouk Yes and no it doesn’t have the beautiful colours of Bioshock I didn’t really like Doom Eternal much it’s all too sandy and boring in art design to me. Bioshock artwork is so incredible to this day just a pity 2k could care less about showing it off properly it seems.
@Tsyuna Desu if you read I specified "with a new engine". Bioshock is piece of art, but unoptimized.
Flawless on ps5
Yep, PS5 locks the frame rate completely to 60fps.
Rather confused by this..am i getting a better running game via backwards compat on a Xbox One X, or by playing the remaster on the Xbox One X
Technically back compat will run better, but it will be at a lower resolution, and lower maximum frame rate I believe, there's also the matter of the old version, in my opinion, having better looking textures that a lot of the remastered ones
Wonder if 2K will thank Alex for doing the QA work that they should have done
I cannot comprehend how the hell devs aren't using 16x AF all the time. It's so cheap.
@BlindBison Its insanely inexpensive. I have been enabling 16xAF on PC for probably the past 15-20 years on every piece of hardware I've ever owned. And I've not always had top end hardware in my system. Enabling it simply doesn't impact performance in a noticeable way, maybe 1-2fps at best. Sure this could be a big thing if console devs are trying to hit a stable 30 or 60fps. But at least 4x should be more than possible, maybe its just one of those features that devs think that majority of the console player base would not notice.
@BlindBison As far as I know (and it's not a lot) you have actually given a pretty good answer to your own question. A console apu shares the memory bandwidth between cpu and gpu (and it's not like they have a lot), and with AF being bandwidth heavy, they rather use that bandwidth for stuff they think have a more visibly positive effect on the game, especially when targeting 30 fps.
PCs have DDR4 RAM for CPU as well as dedicated GDDR5/6 VRAM for the GPU so bandwidth isn't a problem. Consoles have to use the same RAM for CPU+GPU and some of it is reserved for the OS so they tend to be bandwidth starved. That said, 8x should really be the minimum amount of AF any modern game should have.
@@colfari I was looking for a way to explain it, but you just did an excellent job lol
@@axayd Like I said Ive been enabling 16xAF without any care on PC for the past 20 years. This would be on hardware that is nowhere near todays PC hardware and nowhere near the next gen consoles. At best its around 1-2fps difference and most the time the difference is none existent.
These games are just a cash grab on ps4 and Xbox... since 2016 the live stream option is blocked for the 3 games on both platforms, they don't let you even take screenshots and no one is giving an answered about why the 3 games that are 7-10 years old have the live streaming option blocked.
@Anita028 I really glad I was able to pick the Collection up in the Xbox Live sale recently for only €9.99 !! At that proce I can forgive these bugs, but still I hope that 2K patches them soon. I will hold off for as long as possible from playing them until they receive further patches.....
@@jean-pierreraduocallaghan8422 just put your xbox in offline mode
I have Bioshock for PC and uts a beautiful game. Bioshock 2 i have for PS3 but haven't played it. I might buy this collection for PS4 to play all the way through Bioshock and try out the other two games. Great comparison and review video. Ive seen screen tearing and loading in slow down in other older games and a few modern games.
Can't wait to see your analysis on the Switch version
Love this channel!!
2k: want value for your money? look elswhere!
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Well I mean the Bioshock Collection is great value for money. And I picked it up in the sale recently on Xbox One for only €9.99 !! So yeah....that was amazing !! :)
@@jean-pierreraduocallaghan8422 enjoy that piece of junk. support companies who think lazy remaster is good enough. you wont ever get better, you deserve no better.
The Switch port was better optimized for 30fps than these are. That remaster was outsourced to a Chinese company and they did a very solid job. I game on everything, with my PC being my main hub. I can say that the drop to 30fps was jarring at first, but my eyes adjusted after an hour or two. I just wanted to analyze “Infinite” at first, but then I found myself playing through the whole thing in less than 2 days. Upon analyzing, I basically found that they ported the PS3/Xbox 360 versions of the game. The assets and textures were identical when I compared it to those ports. The Switch can just run them better. The foliage in Infinite looked awful and I thought there was no way that even the OG ports used these assets. Only to find out that they did. I just didn’t realize how much better the PC and remastered editions looked in comparison to the PS3/Xbox 360 ports.
Thanks Alex I mentioned to a John something was up with a Xbox One X as soon as I played it. Thankfully I have an offline xbox one x as well so can still play it without enhancements where being a much lower res it plays smoothly from what I can see. This is beyond disgusting this patch was allowed to be released in such a bad way to the public without testing. Microsoft should have rejected this. Hopefully this will be fixed with yet another patch very soon or it just can’t be recommended for purchase. Bioshock infinite should be 1800p at least on Xbox one x too what a complete joke. They need to start giving options like PC to enable anisotropic filtering too. I guess it’s a given with next consoles this will be 16 anyway though for new titles.
Disconnect your console from the internet this fixes the performance issues I mean the stutter and the frame drops when using the drill.
Sounds weird but works 😂👌
The new consoles with their far more powerful CPUs can't get here soon enough. This is disappointing to see these kind of issues on updated, last gen, titles.
Having to throw more powerful hardware at a problem is the reason I stopped playing on PC.
With fixed hardware consoles, some tweaking and optimization from the developers is the only way to go.
2007 game cant run at 4k on ps4 pro? Makes no sense.
Thanks for this beautiful detailed analysis ,big fan of you digital foundry ❤️❤️
So sad they dont care enough to get this sort of stuff right.
Oh good, another developer who couldn’t bother to correct the gamma handling on Xbox. Ugh.
What's the deal with crushed blacks on One X? I've noticed it on a few games now.
Maybe it's a Microsoft problem. ;)
Are you going to analyze the Switch version as well?
Thank you so much was so close to purchasing.