I found one OVERLOOKED Issue in College Football 25
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Bro hopped off the stream watching Sam Leavitt throw a million picks and immediately made this video
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Most of the off-field problems in CFB25 have to be a symptom of the dominance of UT modes. The worst thing to ever happen to Sim Sports gaming. Development is simply focused elsewhere
Yep exactly. In order I would’ve focused on Dynasty, Road to glory, mascot mode, road to CFP. EA likely focused on CUT, Dynasty, road to CFP, then road to glory.
@anthonytitone Pretty sure you added a few extra modes they worked on in there. I think it went CUT then oh ya we gotta add the other modes so where is that copy and paste button.
Why do people insist that these are "sim sports games". That's a claim they make but they are not that at all. If the off-field stuff is what you really care about, there's plenty of options that are miles better than any AAA game. Coach mode in this is nonsense to me - go play DDSCF or College Football Dynasty Coach, games that are actually designed around that premise.
@@ethanchetkof1076You dont just get to excuse them for it because you claim thats not what they built the game around; i personally dont play coach mode, but if its in the game, it shouldnt be shit, period.
Dunno why theyre getting an excuse here
@@ethanchetkof1076 What’s DDSCF?
I tried coach mode and it was weird having a QB who had 96 speed never scramble or keep the ball on the option reads. I feel your pain. Also seems like they just took sacks so often
I think it's a common problem with simming in sports games, unless you're insanely detailed with the gameplan your players are probably not gonna be used the way you want them to. At least that's been an issue in my experience.
No, they will keep the ball in coach mode. But your right about scrambling.
@@criticaloptimist7961 brother this video has like a full 5 minutes of evidence proving you wrong
@shotguhn bro I was just playing the other day on coach mode everything played beautifully beside Qb not scrambling. Maybe it's a bug from the day 1 patch.
@@criticaloptimist7961 This is something the the dev team is not going to fix.
This is something they got right way back in NFL Head Coach 06 and 09. I used to always love running my franchises in CPU vs CPU watch mode. I didn't want my skills as a player to dictate what the players on the field did. I wanted their skills to dictate what happened on the field. Then NFL Head Coach came along and that became my favorite game. Then coach mode became a thing and I loved that, too. Then they took both features out of the game by Madden 25 (the original one). Even though there is a workaround where you can get 25 to play CPU vs. CPU watch mode.
EA is a company that just doesn't care about anything other than getting your money. Understand this.
Last paragraph - say it louder
That’s why so many ppl want EA to lose the Madden rights in 2026. Let another company give it a try - maybe we won’t be subjected to so many ads for UT and micro transactions
@@WordsinSpanishSam 2K was their biggest competition in the sports arena. They have come under some heavy criticism for their monetization of their NBA franchise and for being lazy with their development of their series the last few years. Microtransactions are the way of the now until people stop buying them. This all started with DLC.
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One thing i’ve also noticed with coach mode is that HB slip screens just don’t work. The QB doesn’t even try to throw the ball.
Correct! You have to throw the screen yourself, which is contradictory to coach mode.
If your stream taught me anything, it's that coach mode is straight up nonviable in CFB 25. It was getting genuinely hard to watch by the third stream
Well any stream of coach mode is gonna be tough to watch. Ppl sitting around watching that?
I enjoyed it in NCAA 14, was a fresh way to play the game after YEARS of playing it
EA never watched the fumble dimension
Its a shame, because from the ten hour trial i played - my first ever college football game - the actual football gameplay is pretty good fun.
Its just baffling that there are so many bizarre design decisions and omissions that you'd have thought they would have not emulated from Madden given this was supposed to be a 'new' franchise.
This is one mode with an issue, not a reason to throw the game out
@@foxfire1112 I never said it was bad enough to condemn the whole game.
It's just recognising its a flawed game.
@@quietbatperson You said it's a shame because during the 10 hour trial it was actually fun. But it's still fun. Having a flaw in a one gamemode doesn't change that, and I dont see anyone saying it's a perfect game
@foxfire1112 With respect, sir, I think you're taking this a little too much.
Of course it's still fun. But the flaws prevent it from being as fun or rewarding as it could be.
@@foxfire1112there’s actually many more reasons to throw out the game lol
It’s little oversights and a lack of quality of life things like this that sometimes makes the game unpleasant and even borderline unplayable for my style of play in some cases. Glad I only spent money for the trial and didn’t pay full price
That’s wild. Your minor nit picks will never be 100 percent accounted for. You sound cheap
Cfb 25 took giant leaps back from ncaa 14 in the depth of a lot of things its so sad how hype i was waiting a 11 years for this. I would have actually preferred just updated graphics on ncaa 14 this new game is cheap and feels unfinished. Huge disappointment to any real Ncaa fan. Guess we waiting on GTA 6.
The thing about read options is you never get punished for handing it off to the rb in this game but if you keep it with the qb and it’s the wrong choice you do get punished.
The reason the QB doesn't make a read to keep the ball is because of how the game works. You have to hold down a button to tell the QB to keep the ball in game, but if you're wanting to use coach mode you don't press anything and at some point the computer realizes it needs to take over. By the time the game realizes that you're not pressing the button because of coach mode, the play has already developed.
That is such a weird oversight in implementation, Also such a downgrade from NCAA14. Hope it gets fleshed-out in new patches to be an actual usable mode
EA doesn't care. They gonna release coach mode 2.0 next year and it'll over compasate and never throw the ball
Or they’ll just never release ANY update except stuff to do with UT
Because that’s all they care about, taking your money. They don’t give two craps if you enjoy it or not
@@WordsinSpanishSam video game industry in general, sucks
Your not tripping. I am praying the community gives them this feedback.
its been like this in madden for years, it sucks ass
This is a gigantic fundamental problem EA needs to address, thank you for being critical and noticing these glaring important flaws and not being swept up in the hype. It’s ridiculous how they let this fly. Like when you sim on slow speed you can watch the computer play autonomously. Why wouldn’t they just copy this for “coach mode” on the snap of the ball
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Every now and then I find gem players that never develop because their skill screen is glitched to not let you spend the skill points.
Wait… they don’t do that automatically?
@@marsrwby7477they do idk what he talking abt. He isn’t realizing the points are being spent automatically. Sometimes you can spend em before the game does
@@marsrwby7477 I had a gem OLB that just never developed and I checked out his player card and his ratings/upgrade slide was glitched out and unable to ever auto upgrade
The new game is almost unplayable for me. The defensive AI is so bad on heisman, that I started simming defensive possessions, but you can’t do that cause super simming/moments crashes my game every game in dynasty. Computer ai for the user team during run plays causes runners to run directly into blockers, making RTG incredibly frustrating to play, defensive players can phase through blockers… it also bugs me to no end that since they started giving us updates pre-launch they promised that gameplay would be completely different than Madden but it is literally just a reskinned Madden with slightly sped up gameplay smh
This.
Stop overly pressing buttons let the possession take place then press B or circle to back out trust me it works and don’t just skip one play skip the possession
Set it to offense only, may help
@@vicktor374 it crashes with all siming options… The only fix I’ve found is using “play only offense” but then stop the sim within the last minute or so and play that out
@@aaronhooper3328 I feel that I would reach out cuz mine would crash while super sim but then it stopped after I did what I said in the previous comment
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It's wild to me that in coach mode you have to push the button to snap the ball. Like, you should call the play and then the players get in position and snap the ball when they want, maybe with options to give instructions like "run the play clock all the way down to try to draw the defense offsides" etc. Like I don't think the real life coach is in the QB's earpiece saying "okay, say hike NOW" y'know? Plus it brings up the risk of an accidental input and turning off coach mode for the play which just seems silly
I honestly avoid reality dating shows like it’s the plague but do you Kofie. That’s the beauty of having your own channel.
I love coach mode and tbh I think it’s the only way to play dynasty coherently. It shows if you chose the right players, schemes, plays etc. And you can’t get used and tempted to use abuse or flaws apart of the game. Even on 2k of fifa i SIM the games
Modern coach mode is like an AFK failsafe
I’d love a series called “Kofie’s Commentary” that covers anything other than sports
I’ve been saying this for years since they took it out the game. Last time it was what it was supposed to be was NCAA14
College Football 25's "Coach Mode" is just the "Auto-Pass" setting from older NCAA football games
I played a coach mode league in Madden 21 and had the same experience. Stagnant pocket movement and 0 "options" on an option play, just a slightly delayed inside zone.
I agree. I have fun on coach mode, but it does lack a lot. Every Aa is essentially a field general, because they only pass from the pocket and they don’t move.
I’ve been playing coach mode a bit during my dynasty I’ve done for like 2 seasons after seeing you and a few others do it. And this is what I’ve seen and read that helps a bit:
I haven’t tried it with the triple option, but with read option, if you player lock onto the HB, the QB will decide whether to hold onto it or give it to the HB. I also do this during RPOs and the QB will still decide to throw or hand off. You can also lock onto him during a play action if he will move towards the qb after the ball is hiked and go onto his route.
If you user throw during a screen, the receiver will run up the field without having to be controlled. I sometimes lock onto the TE if he’s an option. But the QB tends to throw it to the HB in those cases.
There are certain plays you can lock onto receivers (some slants) and they’ll move on their own, but most of the time they will just sit there if you don’t move.
Sorry for the long post. Hope it helps! Slow sim could possibly be another route to a semi coach mode experience. I haven’t really played it myself to see how it does in CF 25. But it could be another way to test your team without you in control.
@@CK-py5hb That’s perfect feedback. I think this supports Kofie’s theory that the coach mode is designed poorly.
Every snap the QB waits a half second for user movement, and if there isn’t any, then the play proceeds. But if you switch off the QB, the game isn’t waiting for your input on him. It’s waiting for your input on the running back, which is no issue. The QB behavior is autonomously simulated, So that’s why it’s been working for you pretty well. However this is all messed up when you do have your user on him.
You’re right that slow sim gives a similar experience to what coach mode should be, that’s why i’m so confused why they couldn’t just execute it like that
@@gabecox3548 Yeah I agree 100%. It shouldn’t be this tedious to force the offense to work semi autonomously when it seems capable to in slow sim. It honestly feels like coach mode is there to just automate QB passing to make it easier to throw to the first receiver that seems open first and freezes up when there’s nothing available for you to control the scramble. Kofie really put that into perspective for me when he talked about the coach mode wording in CF 25.
Idk if you play Football Manager but their coach/sim format is so amazing. Game needs to be studied by EA and 2K
Is that PS5 or PC?
They need to fix the damn camera for defense in road to glory it's absolutely trash makes you miss tackles moves your dude for you you had 10 years to know this angle wasn't it and they launched the same trash camera with the same problems that were there 10 years ago pisses me off. Just let us set up our own cam angle
The 2014 coach mode camera angle reminds me of NBA Live 96
The AI, especially the blocking AI is atrocious. Had to tell anyone other than my controller
Coach mode hasn't been touched in almost a decade because they give you the super sim option. They want you to supersim because the CPU's logic is at it's smoothest and best when played, QB scrambling ect.
I would absolutely love a dating show commentary from you lol that sounds amazing
The game is missing the feel. I want to recruit and create a lightning fast dynasty team. I want to watch them cut and carve through defenses through four years, this game just doesn’t do that at all. I wish they would’ve taken NCAA 14 and just put it on a newer platform.
didn't even mention all the RB passes where the running back toe-taps to stay inbounds for a completion that results in a loss of yardage
It’s weird because I just did a little testing with Air Force and the speed option in coach mode and in those places the QB will actually make an decision either pitch or kept the ball. Wish I could test more but I only have the trial but there’s definitely something up with the read option
Maybe it’s tied to the players archetype or tendencies? 🤔
@@biggiejerseysTVthat may explain it.
I think the game looks at the read option and the speed option differently. The QB will pass or keep it on a speed option, but they never keep it on a read option. They won’t pass the ball on screen passes to RB’s either.
I’ve also heard you can’t create recruits in dynasty mode any more? They really out here charging $69.99 for LESS features😭
It’s because of NIL.
@@jmiyagi12345which is so stupid. These players are only there for 4yrs while the dynasty could go on 20+ and I can't change their names and stuff??? Trash.
It’s a fun game but that does suck
@@jmiyagi12345 It _literally_ isn't a legal issue though. And we know it isn't a legal issue to have created players, because you CAN create players, it's just restricted to RTG. We also know isn't a legal issue to edit player ratings, because you CAN edit player ratings, just not from within dynasty mode (even though there is a dedicated setting for it that doesn't work)
These things have never been "legal issues" for any other sports game in any other franchise EVER. I have no idea why people are inventing this nonsensical excuse to defend EA removing features from the game, something they have a long history of doing
This is something that will never be "fixed" because in the dev teams mind, this isn't broken.
Or they think people don’t care about it. I hope they fix it, but like you I don’t think they will.
Basically, there is no Coach Mode. Hopefully we'll get that at some point.
The gameplay is great but the game options are so hollow. Not being able to edit anything makes it so it isn’t addicting.
Netflix dating would go hard
It sucks that coach mode sucks, but I would totally watch you do a RTG of your favorite nostalgic college football players. I’ve been having fun as Reggie Bush and Vince Young. I know it’s different, but I would watch.
(I already said this on twitter, but for the algorithm)
Why not call it how u see it, coach mode is straight up trash and is unplayable long term due to the complete lack of attention to detail
I'm not sure if coach mode lets you do this, but have you tried switching off of him pre-snap (circle) to a HB or WR and player locking (double tap LS)? It's annoying af because you have to do it every play and it's absolutely bizarre that coach mode just doesn't work but when I want to play a WR on a pass for example that lets the QB run through his stuff automatically for me. Not sure if the auto control of the WR/HB would work in that case either.
This is a great idea. I’m going to see if that works. This would be a GAME changer if it does. Thanks for the idea bro!
Lets talk about the UNGODLY amount of jet sweeps the computer calls
You need to write in to the devs about this
I got a Kent State dynasty going and a couple things I noticed is one the CPU DBs and LBs have the hands and catch radius of Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald. Like my first game against Pitt I threw like 3 picks but I let it slide because I was like Pitt is a better team with better players. However the second game I played was against an FCS school and these dudes had like 6 picks and like 4 of them were like some prime Ed Reed/ Santonio Holmes in the Super Bowl type catches. And some Superman type flying for deflections.
The other thing that bothers me is how many jet sweeps the CPU run. I played Penn St and no bs they ran that lil jet sweep touch pass like 20 times in a row
Yeah, the int’s are bad in this game. A DB intercepted my pass and never turned his head. It was nuts.
That would be disgusting to play against. They have to fix that. The CPU runs way more after the update too. Most teams favor the pass now. I don’t know if they’ll get it right.
@@kevinhatten33 haven’t touched it after the update but I saw that they patched some stuff like the FCS teams being hard and the scrambler ATH/QBs so hopefully playcalling was included or next
It’s been this way for years in Madden with coach mode too. I use it every year still but if my QB hasn’t thrown the ball within seconds I will take over. I’d rather not but no other option due to the limitations you mention. Also find that they always throw to the closest receiver which often means that they throw to the back who is half way towards running out of bounds so often ends up with a hell of a lot of third downs!
Game one in coach mode, I grew concerned because I was anticipating the QB to eventually pull the ball back and run with it. Never happened. The gameplay on coach mode is a copy and paste version of Madden. Could this be the beginning of another title from EA to bank in on micro transactions and ignore previous year's features that kept our attention? I really hope EA does right with coach mode corrections.
It's not going to happen. No Coach Mode for you! Play Ultimate Team and burn you paycheck. 🤣
9:55 i actually think its a gameplay flaw overall, i was looking for a team to run with so i was testing out teams/playbooks in play now randomized the computer and got Navy...they FB had like 30+ carries😂 they gave it to him everytime the ran triple option
I don't really play coach mode, but for what it's worth, I have found that the hand off is often the best choice when doing the option. In my current dynasty, I was OC at Iowa State for 4 seasons and am the HC at Florida now. I've had scambling/improvising QBs for 4 of my 5 seasons and in spite of this I feel like I always get more productive downs by handing the ball off in the option. It feels like even the speedier QBs don't get past the line of scrimmage very quickly.
You can even sort of test this for yourself. Since the game will track average yardage gained on each play, just pick one option play where you always hand it off no matter what and another where the QB keeps it no matter what and see the difference. Handing the ball off is the meta to the option game in CFB 25 like the QB keepers were the meta in NCAA 14. It's like the games swapped places.
I feel like There's alot of stuff ppl are just glossing over with this game bacause F**** Madden😂
Yup no way im buying the game now i only play cpu v cpu and the fact that you cant watch other teams games or have a semblance of realism when it comes to ai decisions makes it a no go
That's annoying. On certain option plays as a QB in road to glory, I'll snap the ball and just be stuck in place, incapable of moving or pitching the ball to avoid being tackled for a big loss.
I bet if they had kept the old option controls the QB would keep it every time. Not pressing X in 25 means to handoff, and to your point about the setting, coach mode seems to be designed for passing only, so the game is reading you wanting to handoff the ball
Idk if this would be better, I know coach mode sucks, but if you super sim on the slowest setting it DOES allow you to watch (not pick the plays) which I know isn't quite what you're looking to do.
I just now found this out as I hadn't owned any recent madden games, didn't know that super simming on slowest setting allowed you to spectate. Regardless, my QB did run while in this spectating mode. 100% understand this isn't the same as coach mode but it is an alternative option. Just thought I'd share as I thought you couldn't even spectate your own team's games this whole time....
AI has been the weakness of all sportgames
Coach mode fan from way back. Started playing the game exclusively this way back with NCAA 06! Back then, it was just turning on “auto throw”. Same shortcomings as you are seeing here (QB never scrambled, etc). EA recognizing that a lot of people liked to play this way and (eventually) implementing it as a formal game mode was huge. Too bad they’ve taken it away. Irritating that they just renamed the “auto throw” setting as “coach mode”. Feels kind of disingenuous.
another issue i have in cfb 25 is the lack of full access to the playbook during no huddle which they hyped up a lot during the pre launch time
Brother. I had my shit on mute. I expected you to sound like paper boy from Atlanta, lmao , not what I expected at all
It’s nice to have college back, but this is just another piece of EA slop
You mind if I use some of this?
Hey bro, congrats on being featured in The Athletic!
I think the issue is that it's mislabeled. It should be called "QB autopilot" and they should just make an actual coach mode that works the way it has in the past.
ASAP best EA is going to do is next year if your lucky.
The option issue is because if you hold x it will put the ball and run, and if you don’t do anything it will always hand it off.
NCAA 06 had the best cpu instincts
For me, Coach mode is the main mode I'd use. So it's incredibly disappointing that this is what we got.
Yeah it’s unplayable
My G got a cut and looking like Malice from the clips
Are there any glaring issues with coach mode while playing defense? In the old games, i would typically take full control on offense, but just call plays on defense and keep my hands off the sticks.
Bro you’re not tripping, these flaws are 100% accurate, I knew about these flaws previously because these same flaws were in madden. I have switched to cpu vs cpu now due to this problem.
I love coach mode cause of you but I for now just lean in to it and only recruit strong pocket passers and if possible always give my QB a hot route in case of pressure
I have also found screens are nearly impossible without you tapping the button they'll almost always hold on too long
In theory, this should be a simple fix. I've watched the computer make plenty of correct reads, good scrambles, etc when I'm on defense. They just need to make it so that coach mode uses that same logic
All the jerseys look the same they all have that stupid 3 stripe on the shoulders
Congrats on 40k Kofie 🎉
if you do more of the ASU series, can we please play without coach mode? The team is good and I wanna see where it goes.
Didn't know about Coach Mode in NCAA 14 until @NotTheExpert ran it in his last series. But you make excellent points Kofie.
Kofi with the clean cut fuckin me up what alternate universe am I in rn!?
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Slip screen plays are basically useless in coach mode
I've tried it in the last 5 Madden games. Coach mode has no AI logic. Receivers are open; throw it away. Receiver has double coverage on him; throw it to him. It's a run play; eveyone falls back deep. It's a throw; CB and S stop moving till the ball is thrown and caught in stride. I hate it so much.
ncaa 14 coach mode is pretty good unlike cfb 25. coach mode is definitely my preferred style of play.
I've been waiting for a coach mode patch before buying the game. 😭
Whelp, you might be waiting a while
Definitely do the commentary on the dating show. I think that would be a dope branch out
Bro, this is exactly how I play the game too and I played NCAA 14 the same way I have found some settings and sliders that you’re not gonna believe but make Coach mode much more realistic. Believe it or not the settings I found that are great is to put your your difficulty setting to all American You’re gonna put your QB accuracy and your wide receiver catching and all of that to 75. You’re gonna put your offensive line blocking both passing and defensive to 100 on the flipside you’re gonna take your computer sliders and you’re gonna put computer access to seven but you’re gonna put the blocking 100 you’re gonna take the receiver and put it to 20 or 25 you get the general idea now you’ll have to tweak all the settings to get what makes it feel good to you, but this is how off-balance to the game is, Heisman does nothing but allow the computer to completely cheat. It freezes your players and place takes horrible angles is a CPU is.😊
I’m sorry that did not get written correctly quarterback accuracy is seven yes seven
Oh yeah, Coach mode is not actual Coach mode the way it used to be. That’s because this game is basically a rescan of madden which also had this form of coach mode. It’s not NCAA coach mode.
This is why I don’t do coach mode playing on hesiman level yourself is insane so I’m definitely not letting the cpu A.I doing shit
my players numbers change CONSTANTLY in dynasty and it’s not like i can change them back it’s so frustrating
40k!!! 🔥🔥 tuff bro
The fact that the field is flipped looks so dumb
I'd def watch your Netflix commentary video
It seems like it wouldn't be that hard to just impose the already existing opponent AI system onto the user's team after the snap and then just turn it off when a button is pressed. Or... Why do we need the ability to take over mid-play anyway? As is said, maybe that half-expectation is the wrench in the gears.
I wish road to glory was more in depth. The story mode is just reading an iPhone from, it progresses the story without substance.
I am enjoying the game but why doesn’t Road to Glory go beyond the first year? I would have thought it would at least give you 4 years even if the objective was to win a championship and the Heisman
oooh hat off kofie is definitely a vibe💅🏾