Good point, what do you guys think? Should Eminem have re-written his verse after receiving Jay-Z’s verse back? Or did he do the right thing by keeping it the same original verse because it held up against Jays and was fire already? Let’s talk about it 🔥
@@hiphopdx i'm too used to em verses on renegade i can't picture other lyrics to it anyway And the 4 verses of that song were Masterfull lyrically but yeah i just feel like Em's flow was more smooth . I like to say that the perfect flow is when your cadence is making love to the beat and that's what it felt like . Jay was more trying to catch up the beat and i know that that"s how he raps but it didn't fit flow wise imo he still killed it lyrically One of hip hop's greatest song
@Θωμάς Παπαντώνης Em never released it on his album before Jay put it on his own album. So clearly back in the day people thought "Renegade" Was Hov Songs
I definitly agree with Royce on this ! "It's not that kind of song, they made a song together". I always felt like they built the song together. After that you can prefer one's verses or the other, but it's not, imo, a competitive track, it's a collab...
@@1afterthep what are you white, eminem entire raps is about raping his mom and slicing his wife throat....... nobody wants to hear that shyt for 4 to 5 albums straight
Em got it for me. Jay did amazing, but Em's delivery grabbed me immediately. He skated on that beat and didn't even break a sweat doing it. Em had a touch of seriousness and was having fun delivering those verses and you felt both emotions. That song is a classic.
You do know that GOAT stands for greatest of all time right? So saying "greatest goat of all time" is another case of goat abuse which is on the rise in 2019
@MrTruboy gtfoh... I'm sure if Pac wasn't killed in his prime prime, and if he had the opportunity to stay relevant through the 20 years you'd all find some way to trash him the same way all the others that are still alive are being trashed...
Classic Corner, Crook and Royce, cant wait. Crook, you having your own show is long overdue. You cherish the craft and the culture, like a proud dad. Much love and respect WC-MC-Homie.
Jay best moment " hiding down , ducking strays from frustrated youth stuck in their ways just read a magazine and fucked up my day ''' Em best moment " that's when you start to stare at who's in a mirror and see yourself as a kid again then you get embarassed but i got nothing to do but make you look stupid as parents you fucking do-gooders too bad you could not do good at marriage '' A hip hop treasure
@@ailm3ntrx658 You shouldn't need a fan to tell you that Eminem outshined Jay Z on Renegade. At this point, so many rappers including Jay Z himself have already said it.
Eminem followed and matched the beat, while Jay-Z rapped "across" the beat - Jay used the beat as a foundation for a more abstract verse. It isn't as catchy as Em's, but has a lot of syllabic shakeups and hard-hitting emotional lines that are strong in a different kind of way.
I can respect Jay-Z for not buckling under the peer pressure and trying to match Eminem's flow. Instead he chose to rap on the track the way he wanted to.
Only person who can come close to Em’s lyricism and compete on the song bar to bar with Em, it is Royce. Royce is super underrated while at the same time being really really talented. I think ‘Em appreciates him a lot as a rapper and as a friend. Bless them both
This line is iconic because it’s so accurate to the actual hip hop audience. “Say that I’m foolish. I only talk about jewels? Do you fool listen to music or do you just skim through it?” He mentions jewels a few times and everybody jumps on him about it. And hip hop has ALWAYS done this. Like with the Logic biracial stuff lol yeah, it was funny, but it wasn’t true. He had 1 album where he brought it up. He didn’t mention his race at all on his first two albums, and then he has 3 or 4 songs (I don’t remember without going and looking through the lyrics) on the Everybody album where he has like 1 or 2 lines dedicated to mentioning his race. So in total of 3 albums, he mentioned his race 3 or 4 times tops. And people acted like it was all he talked about. But that’s just one example. People do this for every single rapper. Everybody raps too much about something to everybody. Which is so stupid because if you actually listened to the music, you would know that they DONT only rap about these certain topics lol this is why I love this line by Jay. He hit the nail on the head with, “or do you just skim through it.” Like actually. People skim through it wait to hear him talking about some jewels, and are quick to jump on his case about it haha but it’s not like the people complaining about rappers talking too much about certain topics are ACTUALLY listening to the music. They’re always the people who have heard a couple songs from them or their friend told them that he always talks about (fill in the blank).
Why is it that every time Royce is on air on any interview they always and I mean it: ALWAYS ask something about Em. Everyone complains about this, pretty vocally IMO, yet it still happens. Like God, appreciate Royce, just Royce for once.
Selene Graham but this is crooked who’s interviewing who is apart of slaughterhouse. They are homies who want to talk about their other homies too. It’s only disrespectful when it’s a random guy asking questions about em to Royce when Royce is trying to promote his own shit
@DOOM DUMILE you're so tired of it that you clicked on the video to watch him talk about it AGAIN. Probably the dumbest thing I've read on YT this week👏👏👏
EM IS GREATEST OF ALL TIME -FLOW -LYRICAL GOD -TECHNIQUE -RECORD SALES -RESPECT FOR THE GAME -LOYALTY -ABLE TO STILL BE RELEVANT AND KILL EVERYONE AFTER 20 PLUS YEARS -CAN RAP TO ANY BEAT NOT JUST YOUR USUAL BEATS -UNIQUE AND CREATIVE -ONLY CONSIDERED RAP GOD EVER ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC IT JUST DOESNT STOP
On Renegade Eminem and Jay both told life from their perspective and the medias misperception of them. Each of them used the perfect style according to how they're seen. It's perfect.
Hector Rosario I agree with that. That’s how it should be in my opinion. But because of NaS a feature is now about who rapped the best. Supposed to be about does this feature help the song overall.
Em’s verse is good but Jay’s shit connects with me on a whole different level. To this day I can’t understand how people who know nothing about what Jay was talking about can say he got bodied, they both spoke their truth 💯
Nåmêlëśš Sîñčė Ëxìśtëńčê yah, it’s just all personal opinion. Storytelling standpoint: Jay IMO. I just think @ the time his content of the song had already been heard. A lot of ppl tackle that subject matter. Em had the technical skills, and better delivery hands down. You can tell. Jay is the sober veteran of the game, while Em is(was) the up and coming star having fun firing shots are everybody. I just love the contrast of these verses.
It's pretty cool in a wierd way to see the new game for older acts. Who can talk better than their peers. It's no longer who had the better 16 lol it's who had the better sit down or conversation. Don't misconstrue my comment for hate. I love and appreciate the content and am super happy to see hip hop being so big and the opportunities for revenue and content it is creating and happy to see the ones who are pursuing that bag. Just thinking and rambling out loud.
They both had classic verses and came different enough for the contrast to blend perfectly. The song is a masterpiece no matter how you slice it. And the beat is the third classic emcee.
That Nas line is not Valid. It was never Jay-Z song, it was a Em record on Jay album. Em sounded better by default, was at home with the beat. So he sounded better. Jay seemed to be finding his way through it.
I never realized this was a debate? Eminem murdered this shit. And to make it more unanimous Jay Z wrote his verses after Em. Come on...if you think Jays verses were better than ems, come at me, I'm happy to debate.
Big I/ did it multi before I die/ no lie/I chose my own fate/ I drove by the fork in the road and went straight/ I love how Jay referred back to his lyrics from Young G's. Also, when I hear it, it sounds like Jay is having a personal talk with Big because he promised Big that he was going to be multi before he die.
Eminem had the better verse for me but a lot people hate to give Em his props period, it’s crazy. In of the day it’s preference. With that said I would love to see Em & Jay book link up again.
Mickey Mouth Says no MC ever. Only kids who weren’t around in the 80s and 90s say that bs. Any rapper that ft Em has to come The A games or else they will lose to him on their own track. It’s happened countless times.
It was either “Rock City” w/Em on the hook or Renegade. Royce’s label at the time would only allow him one feature w/Em on the album. Pretty shitty deal IMO. When Em had a song for Jay due (it was 2002 he was on a time crunch with TES, 8 Mile, 50 Cent, etc) he phoned in Royce to ask if he could use Renegade.
stevieb274 yeah I know Blueprint came out 2001 what a year remember trying to pirate it myself. But still relatively the same timeframe. Filming would’ve started in 2000-01. Around that time was the aftermath of MMLP, a D12 album, some lawsuits. Honestly it sounds like Em pushed Renegade out as a last minute effort.
stevieb274 yah, my point exactly. Remember Rock City, Royce’s album to which Renegade was supposed to be on was released in 2002, a year after Blueprint. So still the same busy time crunch. IMO Em could’ve changed his verse or tried to adopt more to Jay Zs if he had more time on his hands, but he didn’t so he threw Renegade at him w/out Royce’s verse, hopefully w/Royce’s consent.
When I was younger I said Em had the better verse. But being older Jay Z had the better verse lmao. As a matter of fact Jay Z is a mature rapper to me the nigha is fine wine on the track.
Eminem had the better verse based on lyrics but it really depends on how much you relate to Jay's lyrics. If you went through that situation yourself it probably doesn't matter how lyrical it was. Relatability plays a big part in people's opinions.
I hope in the full interview you asked him about re-connecting Joyner and Logic and Bad Meets Evil 2 (which might happen cause Royce and Em have been super quiet on social media lately)
Scott Thrill It really is. People be acting like Hov didn’t come correct on that. I give Em a slight edge over Hov but they both came with it and made a classic.
HASSAN AHCHMI I think it has more to do with the fact that Nas said Eminem killed Jay-Z on Renagade. I don’t think anybody ever would’ve debated this if not for Nas.
I feel the same Em's approach to the song overall just fit the song better to me. Jay was obv great and a lot of gems but I think it was just an Em track
Two biggest haters in hip hop were both the weakest rappers in their group, BrandNubian never rose to any large fame or lyrical notoriety and so Lord Jamar's loser ass has to get on a lil podcast and try to get fame as a hater. Joe Budden wasn't bad but out of Slaughterhouse he was clearly the weakest and it's not close, his "one-hit" was some lame ass pop-rap type shit with a simple-corny hook. His small number of fans will say he has deep tracks and killed shit on some mixtape shit that never made any national impact and Joe is/was mad because he wanted to Slaughterhouse to be big just because it was on Shady and he wanted to try gleen some shine from Eminem.
I would personally like to see Eminem talk more about Royce in interviews and not because I feel Eminem owes him or has to, but because I love hearing Eminem talk about Hip-Hop. I’ve seen him have fun and say lyrics to old songs and he is clearly passionate about it. Someone said he should have his own podcast and if he just talked about older gen Hip-Hop or about Hip-Hop artists and music I would listen every day. Not even o my about hip hop, about rock, etc...., but it would be cool to learn about older gen from no other than Eminem himself. Imagine not knowing something like A group or A certain song that has this connection and Eminem puts you on to it. That’s practically what he does today, but with new artists, I would have never listened to much new artists had Em not promoted them. I always hear what Royce thinks about Em, it would be cool not because of the reciprocation, but just for spontaneity to hear or watch Eminem react to people talking of him by him talking of them and say what he sees in them and how he sees their position. I don’t wanna sound like A stan by saying “I wanna listen to him”, he must have A million stories of hanging out with legends and what not, that would be cool to hear too. Has A lot of potential- interviewers always update is with the same questions and it’s boring as fuck and it gets annoying when you can tell they don’t listen to his music at all or watch his interviews. I would ask something else our of genuine curiosity.
...so the version of Renegade on Jay's album is one of my favorite songs ever. Then I heard the version with Em and Royce...as GREAT. ROYCE'S verese should have never been taken off. All three are FIRE MC'S. ROYCE IS MAD HUMBLE.
This title is a STRETTTCHHH 🤣😂 Royce prefaced by sayin the song wasn't a competition for him but if he has to give a answer he liked the way em attacked the song , hahha
It's the other way round dude... Dead Wrong is from 1999... Royce even talks about it in an interview. You should do some research before acusing a GOAT of biting... Especially a GOAT like Eminem who made an entire album (Infinite, 1996) complaining about biters. Royce's style is heavily influenced by Eminem and not the other way round. He was even discovered by Em... There's a reason why Eminem is considered by his peers as one of the greatest of all times while Royce is not in the conversation...
@Mickey Mouth You're entitled to your opinion but Em and Royce are best friends. They have gone at one another back in the day, but he definitely has never d*ck rode him as you say or fawned over him. Point blank, what Eminem does, he does it better than 99 percent of rappers out here can do it. He's nice and has always been nice.
I think it only became a debate because of what Nas said. He needed something to shit on Jay-Z for and that was a bar to do it with. I personally never seen it as who had the better verse. I agree with Royce it just never seemed like that kind of track to me. But if we are talking about the track “Forever” I’m saying Eminem took that verse because they were 4 giants at the time making so many waves on the radio and it felt more competitive of who can out rap the other.
I prefer Jay's style of writing. Sometimes that multi syllable shit don't really mean you killed the verse. The depth behind Hov's verse was next level. I say this cause I also used to write like Em with a shit ton of multies, internals etc. Then I realized what makes an artist truly great is the content in their music. Eg ), Tupac.
Bruh eminem never sacrificed the message or anything just for rhyme, he does everything so perfectly and it all makes more than a sense i guess🤞🏻 yeah EM is actually a RAP GOD💯
Jay z kept the flow of the song going. But Em was riding with the beat too but he was rhyming like he was blacking out. I never heard Royce's verse before. On some songs Royce's energy goes hard like the world is ending, which makes an MC the most focused like he/she has ever been. Look forward to hearing his verse.
Why Em keep his lyrics from original Renegade? Why he ain't rewrote his verse when he heard Jay verse?
He didn't need to. Shit was still fire even with his original verse
Good point, what do you guys think? Should Eminem have re-written his verse after receiving Jay-Z’s verse back? Or did he do the right thing by keeping it the same original verse because it held up against Jays and was fire already? Let’s talk about it 🔥
@@ThaTrueEgyptino92 I'm just thinking that Em ain't feel the competition from Hov verse but idk man. Renegade really impactful song in Hip hop
@@hiphopdx i'm too used to em verses on renegade i can't picture other lyrics to it anyway And the 4 verses of that song were Masterfull lyrically but yeah i just feel like Em's flow was more smooth . I like to say that the perfect flow is when your cadence is making love to the beat and that's what it felt like . Jay was more trying to catch up the beat and i know that that"s how he raps but it didn't fit flow wise imo he still killed it lyrically One of hip hop's greatest song
@Θωμάς Παπαντώνης Em never released it on his album before Jay put it on his own album. So clearly back in the day people thought "Renegade" Was Hov Songs
I relate to Jigger's bars more as a black man, but Eminem's penmanship was rhythmically, lyrically and technically more advanced/better imho.
i genuinely am on the same page with this comment.
A agree to an extent. .but did you hear j's first verse,..? That joint was a technical masterpiece.
Trevor Henry "Jigger" "as a black man"
*"Jigger".*
@@michaelmorales1475 It's actually a reference if you know Jay-Z's music.
It's crazy how so many people hate this man em but every real mc has mad respect for him and knows hes a lyrical genius.
Hector Hernandez It boils down to straight up envy, brother.
No one says he’s not a lyrical genius.
When you’re on top I guess you build hate
@That Guy a lot of people hate him
No lyrical rappers hates eminem
We need another Bad Meets Evil album.
Royce brings the best out of Eminem and vice-versa.
so true :)
@@edwardsmith2153hanaa
Facts.
I bumped that an WTT for 2 yrs straight. It's been a decade, we need another
Man the bad meets evil verses are truly some of the best lyrics ever spat!
Eminem cadence and how he rode that beat was absolutely flawless
I definitly agree with Royce on this ! "It's not that kind of song, they made a song together". I always felt like they built the song together. After that you can prefer one's verses or the other, but it's not, imo, a competitive track, it's a collab...
Man eminem killed that track FACTS..
Em blew him outta the water
I gotta disagree, Jay's content was better. I reckon Jay-Z won that one
soon as any rapper raps about the hood and black poverty m'fuckaz think the shit's deep
@@1afterthep what are you white, eminem entire raps is about raping his mom and slicing his wife throat....... nobody wants to hear that shyt for 4 to 5 albums straight
Chase nickles bit extreme that mind.
Em got it for me. Jay did amazing, but Em's delivery grabbed me immediately. He skated on that beat and didn't even break a sweat doing it. Em had a touch of seriousness and was having fun delivering those verses and you felt both emotions. That song is a classic.
eminem killed it on renegade for sure
but them both (Jigga and Chicka Chicka Slim shady) were fire on the beat
Very true
Both of them did good on renegade but em hit that track with a vengeance.
Edit: same thing with "Patiently Waiting"
Observer, Formerly known as STUFF two best Em verses Ever facts
Hmm its closrr.fiftys pretty good on that.such a good album that,fuck what any1 says
Shady records was eighty seconds away from the towers, some cowards f’d with the wronng building they meant to hit ours
So truuuuuue
that bridge em uses before spitting that verse is one of the best moments in hip hop ever. Was so hype
2 of the GREATEST GOAT'S OF ALL TIME! Speak on 2 other of the GREATEST GOAT'S OF ALL TIME!!🤯😭😭
You do know that GOAT stands for greatest of all time right? So saying "greatest goat of all time" is another case of goat abuse which is on the rise in 2019
@MrTruboy gtfoh... I'm sure if Pac wasn't killed in his prime prime, and if he had the opportunity to stay relevant through the 20 years you'd all find some way to trash him the same way all the others that are still alive are being trashed...
@MrTruboy big's better
@MrTruboy Racist
@MrTruboy wondering from which mountain did you came out..
Classic Corner, Crook and Royce, cant wait. Crook, you having your own show is long overdue. You cherish the craft and the culture, like a proud dad. Much love and respect WC-MC-Homie.
"Never been afraid to say what's on my mind
At any given time of day
'Cause I'm a renegade!"
Jay best moment " hiding down , ducking strays from frustrated youth stuck in their ways just read a magazine and fucked up my day '''
Em best moment " that's when you start to stare at who's in a mirror
and see yourself as a kid again then you get embarassed
but i got nothing to do but make you look stupid as parents
you fucking do-gooders too bad you could not do good at marriage ''
A hip hop treasure
People still deny it to this day but Em bodied Jay on “RENEGADE”
i don't even listen to jay but thats retarded. lol it's like you people just say em won everything. losers
Ailm3nt RX damn, somebody’s mad😆
PrimeTymeMusic nah em fans are just the worst in hip hop
@@ailm3ntrx658 You shouldn't need a fan to tell you that Eminem outshined Jay Z on Renegade. At this point, so many rappers including Jay Z himself have already said it.
Jay Z was not murdered by Eminem..
Eminem followed and matched the beat, while Jay-Z rapped "across" the beat - Jay used the beat as a foundation for a more abstract verse. It isn't as catchy as Em's, but has a lot of syllabic shakeups and hard-hitting emotional lines that are strong in a different kind of way.
I can respect Jay-Z for not buckling under the peer pressure and trying to match Eminem's flow. Instead he chose to rap on the track the way he wanted to.
2 of my Top 3 Dead or Alive. Woof. Love you Crook
Fine Wine ft. Hard Liquor --- Renegade
Two things I actually hate lol
You know crooked writes his own descriptions🤣🤣🤣
Lmao
Em's delivery and flow cadence was flawless on that
Royce's was really good.
I love Crook's Corner. When did this channel pick up the greatness?
Only person who can come close to Em’s lyricism and compete on the song bar to bar with Em, it is Royce. Royce is super underrated while at the same time being really really talented. I think ‘Em appreciates him a lot as a rapper and as a friend. Bless them both
Nah, crook is at times better than em himself
“Do you fools listen to music or just skim through it” Enough said
Oh we listening fool, jay was great but EM's verses was fine art
This line is iconic because it’s so accurate to the actual hip hop audience. “Say that I’m foolish. I only talk about jewels? Do you fool listen to music or do you just skim through it?” He mentions jewels a few times and everybody jumps on him about it. And hip hop has ALWAYS done this. Like with the Logic biracial stuff lol yeah, it was funny, but it wasn’t true. He had 1 album where he brought it up. He didn’t mention his race at all on his first two albums, and then he has 3 or 4 songs (I don’t remember without going and looking through the lyrics) on the Everybody album where he has like 1 or 2 lines dedicated to mentioning his race. So in total of 3 albums, he mentioned his race 3 or 4 times tops. And people acted like it was all he talked about. But that’s just one example. People do this for every single rapper. Everybody raps too much about something to everybody. Which is so stupid because if you actually listened to the music, you would know that they DONT only rap about these certain topics lol this is why I love this line by Jay. He hit the nail on the head with, “or do you just skim through it.” Like actually. People skim through it wait to hear him talking about some jewels, and are quick to jump on his case about it haha but it’s not like the people complaining about rappers talking too much about certain topics are ACTUALLY listening to the music. They’re always the people who have heard a couple songs from them or their friend told them that he always talks about (fill in the blank).
See I'm a poet to "some" a regular modern day Shakespeare, Jesus Christ the King of these Latter Day Saints here.
I know Royce tired of telling this story because I'm tired of hearing it.
Why is it that every time Royce is on air on any interview they always and I mean it: ALWAYS ask something about Em. Everyone complains about this, pretty vocally IMO, yet it still happens. Like God, appreciate Royce, just Royce for once.
Selene Graham it happens with everyone who is around big rappers. It doesn’t just happen to Royce but yeah I get what you mean.
Selene Graham but this is crooked who’s interviewing who is apart of slaughterhouse. They are homies who want to talk about their other homies too. It’s only disrespectful when it’s a random guy asking questions about em to Royce when Royce is trying to promote his own shit
@DOOM DUMILE you're so tired of it that you clicked on the video to watch him talk about it AGAIN. Probably the dumbest thing I've read on YT this week👏👏👏
"It cant be 5"
"It cant be. We sitting there"
FACTS
Royce’s loyalty to Em is unmatched. Guarantee he will defend “Fack” and “ put it on my wee wee”
He would never lool
Royce is one of the most underrated mcs ever
EM IS GREATEST OF ALL TIME
-FLOW
-LYRICAL GOD
-TECHNIQUE
-RECORD SALES
-RESPECT FOR THE GAME
-LOYALTY
-ABLE TO STILL BE RELEVANT AND KILL EVERYONE AFTER 20 PLUS YEARS
-CAN RAP TO ANY BEAT NOT JUST YOUR USUAL BEATS
-UNIQUE AND CREATIVE
-ONLY CONSIDERED RAP GOD EVER
ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC IT JUST DOESNT STOP
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On Renegade Eminem and Jay both told life from their perspective and the medias misperception of them. Each of them used the perfect style according to how they're seen. It's perfect.
Crazy part is i have royce and crooked i in my top 10
brian willis nothing crazy about that to me! I agree with you I got Royce In my top 5, it’s all preference
Me too
No way crooked is top 5 maybe Royce tho
@@shaulyehudah29 crooked is better than royce on EVERY slaughterhouse track
brian willis neither are in my top 10, but both are ridiculously talented spitters. Love both their respective catalogues
I blame Nas. Before Ether, a feature was just a feature. Now every feature gets compared. Thanks NaS
Thats fine by me, if the compeitive nature of a feature brings out the best out of an artist, I'm down with that
Hector Rosario I agree with that. That’s how it should be in my opinion. But because of NaS a feature is now about who rapped the best. Supposed to be about does this feature help the song overall.
Who murdered who. But it’s not a battle
Royce and Eminem been the lyrical Kings of Detroit for a long time
Snoop said "i don't want Eminem on my album I'm cool"
Wild upload time
That song is prolific! Not a rivalry, but a true meshing. We all have opinions though
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"Eminem murdered you on your own shit" - Nas
Lovin these crooked corner interviews
"WE MAKE UP 2'EM MUTHAFUCCAS"
FACTS!!
Crook, I agree 100%! Royce's verse was the best verse.
“Cocaine” is the best joint from Royce 💯
hes got too many greats for me to choose a best from lol
That whole album is slept on heavy
I have cocaine on repeat lol
Dope ass interview.. but can anyond tell me the brand of sweats that Crook is wearing. Str8 ballin
Joe gotta be salty Crook got the Royce interview and not him 😂😂😂😂
Word On The Street crook needs it more than joe
Facts lol
King Ghx5t haha don’t do crook like that 😂
King Ghx5t which is ok, because Crook would murder Joe on the mic. Joe needs it because all he’s got is his podcast. Crook can always rap.
Well now he got it
Crooks last statement about them 2? Spot on, talk yo shit! 😂👍🏽🐐
Em’s verse is good but Jay’s shit connects with me on a whole different level. To this day I can’t understand how people who know nothing about what Jay was talking about can say he got bodied, they both spoke their truth 💯
Cormel that’s the thing man . Peoples analysis is based off of hate so there’s no real dissection without bias ....
Cormel Ems was wayyyyy more technically masterful
Nåmêlëśš Sîñčė Ëxìśtëńčê no it’s people who look at it from a technical standpoint, mic presence, and impact.
Nåmêlëśš Sîñčė Ëxìśtëńčê yah, it’s just all personal opinion. Storytelling standpoint: Jay IMO. I just think @ the time his content of the song had already been heard. A lot of ppl tackle that subject matter. Em had the technical skills, and better delivery hands down. You can tell. Jay is the sober veteran of the game, while Em is(was) the up and coming star having fun firing shots are everybody. I just love the contrast of these verses.
@Nåmêlëśš Sîñčė Ëxìśtëńčê why you so hurt? Jay z knows he was outrapped, that's why he let slims verses go after his.
It's pretty cool in a wierd way to see the new game for older acts. Who can talk better than their peers. It's no longer who had the better 16 lol it's who had the better sit down or conversation. Don't misconstrue my comment for hate. I love and appreciate the content and am super happy to see hip hop being so big and the opportunities for revenue and content it is creating and happy to see the ones who are pursuing that bag. Just thinking and rambling out loud.
Royce’s body language looking like he didn’t wanna be there lol jk
crooks corner just got urself a subscriber right here
Em always took it up a notch over his own beats. Even on Revival, the few moments it was dope was when it was his own beat.
Great point. Never really noticed that until you just said it.
What’s good about Em’s beats is that he’s talented enough to think of a melody or something and make a beat around it
I am wondering why he doesn't use his own beats more...
myne yeah he still does it but he doesn’t do a lot anymore , in Kamikaze he produced stepping stones I think that’s it
Makes sense, his best album, imo, is thr eminem show and im pretty sure he made almost all the beats.
They both had classic verses and came different enough for the contrast to blend perfectly. The song is a masterpiece no matter how you slice it. And the beat is the third classic emcee.
Well, at least we know for sure what NAS thinks about who had the better verse lol 🤦🏻♀️😭😂🤣💜
Nas was dissing the other guy, that opinion is not valid. Especially as it was a rebuttal to the ouchie wallie line. Something people gloss over.
That Nas line is not Valid. It was never Jay-Z song, it was a Em record on Jay album. Em sounded better by default, was at home with the beat. So he sounded better. Jay seemed to be finding his way through it.
@@Jokah227jish em produced the beat too
What a humble and gracious man.
I never realized this was a debate? Eminem murdered this shit. And to make it more unanimous Jay Z wrote his verses after Em. Come on...if you think Jays verses were better than ems, come at me, I'm happy to debate.
Jay is my favorite artist and I didn't think it was a debate either. I thought Eminem was the clear winner...... Jay won on syllables tho.
74RED MC Jay z first verse was better do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it
I’m gonna watch this entire interview when this drops
“And Eminem murdered you on your own shit” - Nas (Ether)
I don’t judge everything, I just enjoy the music. I will say that Jay spoke to my soul on that track, tho. Still, I get it... content is needed.
@KXNG KXNG I feel you.
Ems second verse is one of his best ever!!!
Both tore the beat apart i loved it. Both matched energy
Who's shocked by this...we knew what Royce preferred
Exactly!
Not just Royce anyone non biased knows Eminem slaughtered jay z on his own track
Two different worlds meet, both were incredible. End of story 💯
Rock City is a classic. Not Royce’s best, but it was definitely a strong start for one of the most underrated.
Royce one of the realest guys in the industry
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Nice Title swap lol , literally in a blink of a eye.
It took for Covid for me to appreciate how truly amazing humans can be💯❤️
Royce da 5'9 top 5 dead or alive!!!!
Lol you just said some real fanboy shit
@@jaymoney6233 You goddamn right
Tbh Royce is one of the best lyrical artist ever, He been improving.
The best living or dead hands down, huh?
Renegade was a historic song and both artist killed it period
5-9’s verse is 🔥 on the original “Renegade”
Yeah i like the original the best as well royce and em mash well
It's a good verse but it has the same flow as Em's verse in Dead Wrong
Big I/ did it multi before I die/ no lie/I chose my own fate/ I drove by the fork in the road and went straight/ I love how Jay referred back to his lyrics from Young G's. Also, when I hear it, it sounds like Jay is having a personal talk with Big because he promised Big that he was going to be multi before he die.
Eminem had the better verse for me but a lot people hate to give Em his props period, it’s crazy. In of the day it’s preference.
With that said I would love to see Em & Jay book link up again.
Same
oohhh yeah we need more asap
Eminem didn’t kill Jay on his own song. It was Em’s song on Jay’s album
the second verse on renegade is fuccckiiiinnngggg fire!
The second Jay Z verse on Renegade is one of my favorites verses of all time!
What are your favorite bars in that verse?
@@hiphopdx "Do not step to me, I'm awkward, I box lefty. An orphan my pops left me and often my momma wasn't home..."
Mickey Mouth
Says no MC ever. Only kids who weren’t around in the 80s and 90s say that bs. Any rapper that ft Em has to come The A games or else they will lose to him on their own track. It’s happened countless times.
That "When bad meets evil" will forever be my collab with Royce and Em
Dang it really would’ve been criminal if they left Royce in ‘Renegade’ with no Jay-Z... no disrespect
It was either “Rock City” w/Em on the hook or Renegade. Royce’s label at the time would only allow him one feature w/Em on the album. Pretty shitty deal IMO. When Em had a song for Jay due (it was 2002 he was on a time crunch with TES, 8 Mile, 50 Cent, etc) he phoned in Royce to ask if he could use Renegade.
Selene Graham wrong definitely wasn’t 2002. It was 2001 and jay was on a deadline for his album, so Eminem grabbed that song to give to jay
stevieb274 yeah I know Blueprint came out 2001 what a year remember trying to pirate it myself. But still relatively the same timeframe. Filming would’ve started in 2000-01. Around that time was the aftermath of MMLP, a D12 album, some lawsuits. Honestly it sounds like Em pushed Renegade out as a last minute effort.
Selene Graham renegade was already made, and Eminem said that jay was basically at a deadline for his album, so he gave him renegade
stevieb274 yah, my point exactly. Remember Rock City, Royce’s album to which Renegade was supposed to be on was released in 2002, a year after Blueprint. So still the same busy time crunch.
IMO Em could’ve changed his verse or tried to adopt more to Jay Zs if he had more time on his hands, but he didn’t so he threw Renegade at him w/out Royce’s verse, hopefully w/Royce’s consent.
Classic song
When I was younger I said Em had the better verse. But being older Jay Z had the better verse lmao. As a matter of fact Jay Z is a mature rapper to me the nigha is fine wine on the track.
Pat Pittz because when we was young we was just... fools who didn’t listen to music we just skimmed through it.
@@PickEmUpMessEmUp lmaoooooo damn jay said it best!!
Eminem had the better verse based on lyrics but it really depends on how much you relate to Jay's lyrics. If you went through that situation yourself it probably doesn't matter how lyrical it was. Relatability plays a big part in people's opinions.
I hope in the full interview you asked him about re-connecting Joyner and Logic and Bad Meets Evil 2 (which might happen cause Royce and Em have been super quiet on social media lately)
Alllllllright so this just happened look so...
My bad wrong video 🤦🏽♂️
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i agree with royce, i dont hear competition when i listen to that song...great harmony between those 2 rappers imho.
Jay’s verse on Renegade is prolly the most underappreciated verse of all time.
Scott Thrill It really is. People be acting like Hov didn’t come correct on that. I give Em a slight edge over Hov but they both came with it and made a classic.
that's because he featured Em
"Dont step to me I'm awkward I box lefty...
HASSAN AHCHMI I think it has more to do with the fact that Nas said Eminem killed Jay-Z on Renagade. I don’t think anybody ever would’ve debated this if not for Nas.
@@40III Nah man. that's was just nas's opinion and he was right snoop too.
1st... Royce is fuckin fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥 2nd... Renegade is a great song, and Jay & Em are hell in their on right
This is like one of the most unanimous opinions, as far as Hip-Hop goes. Eminem killed that joint and nobody denies it
Yeah they're just trying to be as respectful as possible to Jay lmao Em murdered him hard
I’m denying it
They were both great but I relate to Jays verses more
I feel the same Em's approach to the song overall just fit the song better to me. Jay was obv great and a lot of gems but I think it was just an Em track
Royce the 🐐 and crook is top 5
Gtfoh
If Royce ain't the GOAT, he's better than Eminem in my book.
@@BlackMusicGenre agreed but top 5 is reaching super reaching like a midget tryna dunk
LMAO Royce like - how many fuckin times we gotta talk bout this !!!
Lord Jamar, “Royce and Crooked are no longer better than Eminem and are corny”.
rip to the word corny
all thanks to lord jamar.
Lol
Lord Jamar had a strong helping of Hater Tots before he did those interviews xD
adam quenano 😂😂😂 Lord Jamar be the corniest fool going
Two biggest haters in hip hop were both the weakest rappers in their group, BrandNubian never rose to any large fame or lyrical notoriety and so Lord Jamar's loser ass has to get on a lil podcast and try to get fame as a hater. Joe Budden wasn't bad but out of Slaughterhouse he was clearly the weakest and it's not close, his "one-hit" was some lame ass pop-rap type shit with a simple-corny hook. His small number of fans will say he has deep tracks and killed shit on some mixtape shit that never made any national impact and Joe is/was mad because he wanted to Slaughterhouse to be big just because it was on Shady and he wanted to try gleen some shine from Eminem.
I would personally like to see Eminem talk more about Royce in interviews and not because I feel Eminem owes him or has to, but because I love hearing Eminem talk about Hip-Hop. I’ve seen him have fun and say lyrics to old songs and he is clearly passionate about it. Someone said he should have his own podcast and if he just talked about older gen Hip-Hop or about Hip-Hop artists and music I would listen every day. Not even o my about hip hop, about rock, etc...., but it would be cool to learn about older gen from no other than Eminem himself. Imagine not knowing something like A group or A certain song that has this connection and Eminem puts you on to it. That’s practically what he does today, but with new artists, I would have never listened to much new artists had Em not promoted them. I always hear what Royce thinks about Em, it would be cool not because of the reciprocation, but just for spontaneity to hear or watch Eminem react to people talking of him by him talking of them and say what he sees in them and how he sees their position. I don’t wanna sound like A stan by saying “I wanna listen to him”, he must have A million stories of hanging out with legends and what not, that would be cool to hear too. Has A lot of potential- interviewers always update is with the same questions and it’s boring as fuck and it gets annoying when you can tell they don’t listen to his music at all or watch his interviews. I would ask something else our of genuine curiosity.
...so the version of Renegade on Jay's album is one of my favorite songs ever. Then I heard the version with Em and Royce...as GREAT. ROYCE'S verese should have never been taken off. All three are FIRE MC'S.
ROYCE IS MAD HUMBLE.
I’ve only watched parts of the full interview. Did crook ever smoke the cigar or just hold it lol
This title is a STRETTTCHHH 🤣😂 Royce prefaced by sayin the song wasn't a competition for him but if he has to give a answer he liked the way em attacked the song , hahha
Royce is one of the G.O.A.T. 👑
Fact.... eminem based his lyrics on dead wrong from Royce the 59s renegade verse
It's the other way round dude... Dead Wrong is from 1999... Royce even talks about it in an interview. You should do some research before acusing a GOAT of biting... Especially a GOAT like Eminem who made an entire album (Infinite, 1996) complaining about biters. Royce's style is heavily influenced by Eminem and not the other way round. He was even discovered by Em... There's a reason why Eminem is considered by his peers as one of the greatest of all times while Royce is not in the conversation...
2:36. Actually, I heard the version with all 3 on a mixtape before hearing the version that everyone else know. Royce did his thing
What a surprise! One of Eminems best friends thinks his boss had the best verse. Would never have seen that coming.
@Mickey Mouth You're entitled to your opinion but Em and Royce are best friends. They have gone at one another back in the day, but he definitely has never d*ck rode him as you say or fawned over him. Point blank, what Eminem does, he does it better than 99 percent of rappers out here can do it. He's nice and has always been nice.
You can find Royce's version online and they are dope af
Royce's version of Renegade is my personal favorite. It should've been on the Rock City album.
I think it only became a debate because of what Nas said. He needed something to shit on Jay-Z for and that was a bar to do it with. I personally never seen it as who had the better verse. I agree with Royce it just never seemed like that kind of track to me. But if we are talking about the track “Forever” I’m saying Eminem took that verse because they were 4 giants at the time making so many waves on the radio and it felt more competitive of who can out rap the other.
Drop the full interview then break it down in parts for the "fans". Comon man.
Whens the full episode gonna come out?
I prefer Jay's style of writing. Sometimes that multi syllable shit don't really mean you killed the verse. The depth behind Hov's verse was next level. I say this cause I also used to write like Em with a shit ton of multies, internals etc. Then I realized what makes an artist truly great is the content in their music. Eg ), Tupac.
Bruh eminem never sacrificed the message or anything just for rhyme, he does everything so perfectly and it all makes more than a sense i guess🤞🏻 yeah EM is actually a RAP GOD💯
em is a rap god nigga🔥🔥
Jay z kept the flow of the song going. But Em was riding with the beat too but he was rhyming like he was blacking out. I never heard Royce's verse before. On some songs Royce's energy goes hard like the world is ending, which makes an MC the most focused like he/she has ever been. Look forward to hearing his verse.