Hi guys! I'm loving the discussion and just bought the book! I just want to add something to the comment that "we were made in the image of God". Yes we were made in the image of God but also ,according to Gen 2:19, Adam was also made from the same material the animals were made from. We, our flesh, share many of the same neurological functions as the animals. I teach bible in addiction treatment centers and I like to point that out, when I'm explaining that we have a body, spirit and soul. I make that point because, like animals, our flesh can have an addiction but, unlike the animals, we also have a "living soul". Our flesh want's a very limited scope of things, but that place in you that want's joy... that part of you that ,despite everything that you have experienced and how much our flesh and wounded spirit resist it, there is a part of you that craves God... that's not an animal thing... that's your soul. Curt, I see that you have a book about the soul as well and it's the very next on my reading list. PS: I would love to hear your thoughts on "iniquity". My limited understanding from the scriptures is that iniquity involves our thought processes. For example, shame has a good purpose but iniquity perverts that and weaponizes it for evil. PPS: I think the healing that Isaiah 53 speaks of is primarily applicable to our mental processes that iniquity has affected. "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." God bless, Larry
I hear “Imagination becomes incarnation”. Shame is an evil lie. It is Sensation in the body And may be attached to other emotion. Whew…. “I am Not enough to tolerate departure” What a “capture” of so many people! Judgement, hiding, self-perpetuating. I will do my own self-examination
I listened to the first chapter of the Soul of Shame as assigned from the first podcast. I'm a strong Christian with bipolar who's been extremely high-functioning and has a close support group of 5 extraordinary Christian friends who know about the neuroplasticity of the brain, the importance of not isolating, how God uses people to help us heal; and yet here I am, in the grips of a severe depressive episode the last few months... isolating, self hatred over spiritual failures or bad habits, frozen in fear. Interesting that while reading Chapter 1 of SOS, I threw up in the middle of it. Listening to this podcast I am excited to have found Curt Thompson and The Soul of Shame and am thankful to God to feel that hope again. So good to know I don't have to be ashamed for believing that I was delivered of the spirit of shame long ago. Praying for courage, perserverence, protection and patience with God's timing, the possibility God will lead me to a new level of freedom and trust in Him. That at Jesus' feet, I'll be able to concentrate on God's Love and the joy He sets before me, I will be able to endure my cross- just like every other Christian-and despise it's shame. That Jesus might teach me what that means in relation to my prefrontal cortex cingulate system is pretty amazing. 😳☝️🙏❤️
Hi heinyjo! I'm on chapter 8 and I'm loving this book! I'm sorry that depression is giving you a tough time and I'm praying for you! It sounds like you have great awareness and that's an awesome milestone! In Genesis 4:6-8 God councils Cain that he should rule over the very big emotion of anger. I thought of that when i watched a video that you have of a lady (you I presume?) In your videos, that is making a group of dogs to "set". In much the same way, as the dogs and trainer, we have different emotions with different agendas and lately the big dog of depression has been acting up. It's just one part of your brain and it's needing that still calm voice to tell it to "set". That voice that trains the dog of depression, is the mind of (Christ 1 Corinthians 1:16) and so let the mind of Christ help you to "rule over" it. As time goes by, depression will become just another member of the pack that is obediently setting at your feet... that's biblical neuroplasticity.
@@larrylanham2779 Wow, Larry. I hope God gives you a felt experience of Him smiling at you, and feeling His pleasure as you took the time to encourage me. Also, I laughed out loud that you saw my Dog Group Therapy video. No, that wasn't me, it was one of the 5 ladies in my Sista' Group. I was taking the video. And, it's interesting because God and my therapist has assigned her and another to help me move forward. Also interesting is that I won't let them help me clean my house becauseIn some circumstances, we anticipate this vulnerable exposure to be so great that it will be almost life- threatening. But it is in the movement toward and connection with someone who is safe that we come to know life, and freedom from this prison, as Thompson says at the end of this video, "I anticipate this vulnerable exposure to be so great, it would be almost life- threatening."
It's like self murder calling ourselves these horrific names. I'd have a picture in my mind that I'm hacking myself with an ax and not able to cry out.
You two bless me so much. I'm new to this podcast, and I love the friendship you two have. Real men have feelings and the fact that you both show yours so transparently brings me to tears. Thank you!
16:04 - I had to physically stop. I listen to your podcast while walking/jogging as it helps me process. But hearing your comments to Matt’s story hit way, way…WAY close to home. I’m in the process of relaunching my ministry/business and for the first time I felt like I came eye to eye with this undercurrent story - a mix of “Where’s the other 8 percent” and “The stress of putting myself out there…I’m not sure if I can really do this..,” Wow. I’ve been feeling it for a few weeks now and I’ve read the book in prep for this series…but sitting here now I’m going “Ohhhh - it’s shame.” Wow. Just wow. Huge moment for me here. Thanks guys. Appreciate so much how you both share so vulnerably here.
This was eye opening, challenging and vital to who I am. I feel like it’s the tip of the iceberg and because of you I am digging into shame by listening to your podcasts and reading your books. I am beyond grateful to you and God how different I am being shaped.
FINALLY after a week I’m finally through this episode!!! WOW!!! So many amazing moments in here for me. The stories y’all shared really helped me step back and turn towards shame. One story in particular I had to go back and relisten to because it literally felt like my story but I never saw shame in it before…I just thought something was “off” with me…(and there it is). My oldest kiddo even listened to Pep’s story about his basketball team which caused me to stop the podcast as we went into a really deep conversation. So many nuggets in this one y’all. Thank you for showing up and sharing your wisdom but also your hearts. Looking forward to the next episode!
Hi guys! I'm loving the discussion and just bought the book! I just want to add something to the comment that "we were made in the image of God". Yes we were made in the image of God but also ,according to Gen 2:19, Adam was also made from the same material the animals were made from. We, our flesh, share many of the same neurological functions as the animals. I teach bible in addiction treatment centers and I like to point that out, when I'm explaining that we have a body, spirit and soul. I make that point because, like animals, our flesh can have an addiction but, unlike the animals, we also have a "living soul". Our flesh want's a very limited scope of things, but that place in you that want's joy... that part of you that ,despite everything that you have experienced and how much our flesh and wounded spirit resist it, there is a part of you that craves God... that's not an animal thing... that's your soul.
Curt, I see that you have a book about the soul as well and it's the very next on my reading list.
PS: I would love to hear your thoughts on "iniquity". My limited understanding from the scriptures is that iniquity involves our thought processes. For example, shame has a good purpose but iniquity perverts that and weaponizes it for evil.
PPS: I think the healing that Isaiah 53 speaks of is primarily applicable to our mental processes that iniquity has affected. "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
God bless, Larry
I hear
“Imagination becomes incarnation”.
Shame is an evil lie. It is Sensation in the body
And may be attached to other emotion.
Whew…. “I am Not enough to tolerate departure” What a “capture” of so many people! Judgement, hiding, self-perpetuating.
I will do my own self-examination
I listened to the first chapter of the Soul of Shame as assigned from the first podcast. I'm a strong Christian with bipolar who's been extremely high-functioning and has a close support group of 5 extraordinary Christian friends who know about the neuroplasticity of the brain, the importance of not isolating, how God uses people to help us heal; and yet here I am, in the grips of a severe depressive episode the last few months... isolating, self hatred over spiritual failures or bad habits, frozen in fear. Interesting that while reading Chapter 1 of SOS, I threw up in the middle of it. Listening to this podcast I am excited to have found Curt Thompson and The Soul of Shame and am thankful to God to feel that hope again. So good to know I don't have to be ashamed for believing that I was delivered of the spirit of shame long ago. Praying for courage, perserverence, protection and patience with God's timing, the possibility God will lead me to a new level of freedom and trust in Him. That at Jesus' feet, I'll be able to concentrate on God's Love and the joy He sets before me, I will be able to endure my cross- just like every other Christian-and despise it's shame. That Jesus might teach me what that means in relation to my prefrontal cortex cingulate system is pretty amazing. 😳☝️🙏❤️
Hi heinyjo! I'm on chapter 8 and I'm loving this book! I'm sorry that depression is giving you a tough time and I'm praying for you! It sounds like you have great awareness and that's an awesome milestone! In Genesis 4:6-8 God councils Cain that he should rule over the very big emotion of anger. I thought of that when i watched a video that you have of a lady (you I presume?) In your videos, that is making a group of dogs to "set". In much the same way, as the dogs and trainer, we have different emotions with different agendas and lately the big dog of depression has been acting up. It's just one part of your brain and it's needing that still calm voice to tell it to "set". That voice that trains the dog of depression, is the mind of (Christ 1 Corinthians 1:16) and so let the mind of Christ help you to "rule over" it. As time goes by, depression will become just another member of the pack that is obediently setting at your feet... that's biblical neuroplasticity.
@@larrylanham2779 Wow, Larry. I hope God gives you a felt experience of Him smiling at you, and feeling His pleasure as you took the time to encourage me. Also, I laughed out loud that you saw my Dog Group Therapy video. No, that wasn't me, it was one of the 5 ladies in my Sista' Group. I was taking the video. And, it's interesting because God and my therapist has assigned her and another to help me move forward. Also interesting is that I won't let them help me clean my house becauseIn some circumstances, we anticipate this vulnerable exposure to be so great that it will be almost life- threatening. But it is in the movement toward and connection with someone who is safe that we come to know life, and freedom from this prison, as Thompson says at the end of this video, "I anticipate this vulnerable exposure to be so great, it would be almost life- threatening."
Thank you for y’all’s podcast. You are reaching down deep in my past and showing me that I’m not crazy, but I’m also not broken beyond repair.
Courage and bravery, swimming to the shark of shame! Can’t wait for the next ones. Your coming to find me.
It's like self murder calling ourselves these horrific names. I'd have a picture in my mind that I'm hacking myself with an ax and not able to cry out.
This is very powerful and deep. I thank you for sharing this with me. I have wondered what was going on with me
You two bless me so much. I'm new to this podcast, and I love the friendship you two have. Real men have feelings and the fact that you both show yours so transparently brings me to tears. Thank you!
16:04 - I had to physically stop. I listen to your podcast while walking/jogging as it helps me process. But hearing your comments to Matt’s story hit way, way…WAY close to home. I’m in the process of relaunching my ministry/business and for the first time I felt like I came eye to eye with this undercurrent story - a mix of “Where’s the other 8 percent” and “The stress of putting myself out there…I’m not sure if I can really do this..,” Wow. I’ve been feeling it for a few weeks now and I’ve read the book in prep for this series…but sitting here now I’m going “Ohhhh - it’s shame.” Wow. Just wow. Huge moment for me here. Thanks guys. Appreciate so much how you both share so vulnerably here.
This was eye opening, challenging and vital to who I am. I feel like it’s the tip of the iceberg and because of you I am digging into shame by listening to your podcasts and reading your books. I am beyond grateful to you and God how different I am being shaped.
Amen! SOS people!!!
FINALLY after a week I’m finally through this episode!!! WOW!!! So many amazing moments in here for me. The stories y’all shared really helped me step back and turn towards shame. One story in particular I had to go back and relisten to because it literally felt like my story but I never saw shame in it before…I just thought something was “off” with me…(and there it is). My oldest kiddo even listened to Pep’s story about his basketball team which caused me to stop the podcast as we went into a really deep conversation. So many nuggets in this one y’all. Thank you for showing up and sharing your wisdom but also your hearts. Looking forward to the next episode!
Love your podcasts !!!!! So helpful (=