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The bigger problem with Zen 5 was Windows botching it's performance. On Linux, Zen 5 had significant performance increase over 8000/7000 series, close to what AMD claimed. Not really much of AMD's fault there, but still, what they're gonna do after Zen, though?
@@edR_mcdNot really though, the brand prediction algorithm was a general uplift that improved the performance of zen 3 and zen 4 as well. So the margin between zen 4 and zen 5 is still marginal for most applications.
Was just about to say this myself. Zen 5 was supposed to have +40% IPC gains and would've been revolutionary. Leaks are unreliable like that, and in turn, pretty much all the content in this channel is just slop. A shame, because the host himself is actually pretty charismatic and entertaining.
@@LetMeSnipCode it is not that they can't do well! but ontop what they did with 14 series. And how manny problems it had/has. I just don't Think People exspects alot from Intel at the moment. And they probberly whant some proof it's not another shit show
It's been always like this, amd cpus often gets overhyped and in the end it underdelivers, while intel cpus often gets shoved away as failure even before the product launch, yet to be proven wrong quite often.
@@lasselund1643they replace every defect cpu and even good ones that have been sent to them. What do you want more? Do you want a new car payed by them?
@@jesusquintero8905 Exactly hopefully it forces AMD to never sleep in their laurels again and avoid another 9000 series situation. That being said I can't wholeheartedly switch to Intel yet until they start offering socket support on AMD's level. Being able to install a 7th gen CPU now and potentially a 10th or 11th gen one 5 years down the road is a lot of added value. Especially with current MOBO pricing.
Z790s cost £139 and up. Most expenisve boards go up to around 600. For the Intel processor (i7). A 7800X3D is loads cheaper I want a 7800X3D with ASUS ROG mb but waiting the right time and X870 to come out
I just dont get all this AMD bashing. They released a chip with roughly 20% gains and some power savings. Granted there were a few bugs, and gaming did not see as much of an improvement, but these are not the chips that are aimed specifically at gamers. The complaints seem ridiculously overinflated.
From someone looking to upgrade as my current setup is pushing ~5 years old at this point, I'll give you my perspective. AMD has been purposely kneecapping their own products to save money and claim compatibility with older motherboards. We've got the latency issues and the old I/O die which limits memory speed and they paper over the issue with 3D vcache. And now we have the fact that half of the 9950X cores don't even boost to their maximum rated speed and are 300MHz slower... From someone looking to buy the top of the stack for professional use as a business write off with no budget, it still doesn't sit right seeing AMD holding their own product back like this. Why would they not just save all the best binned CCDs for their flagship? They cut corners on the flagship and the entire stack which needs 3D to be viable all to save on costs. I'll take the Intel 285k at the rumored $625 which lets me utilize faster memory and much better latency, much better single core speed, very competitive multi-core speed. I'm buying a new motherboard and RAM anyway because as I said the setup is almost 5 years old now Comet Lake. I expect AMD to drop the 9950X below $600 after Intel 200 comes out. Maybe AMD will release a good product next gen after getting smashed this generation by Intel's offering, but by then it won't really matter since I don't upgrade each generation. I doubt they'll be fixing the 9950X's second CCD with the 9950X3D but if they did that would be something to seriously consider. My advice to you when upgrading is wait for one of them to make a big architectural push and you get the best product that lasts a long time. Neither Intel nor AMD have been making serious progress in years, now is the time to strike when Intel drops this if it goes smoothly. The next time to strike would be when AMD finally upgrades that I/O die and unleashes their memory bottleneck. I'll be waiting until next year to make the purchase for tax reasons, so I'll have time to gauge the initial response and benchmarks on Intel 200.
@@Felale The issue is windows. None of the issues you mention actually exist under Linux. AMD is going to sell all the zen5 chiplets they can produce for server and AI. Zen5 is an AVX512 beast... the latency your talking about was fixed already with a bios flash. Every AI/Server user is using Linux... and AMDs Linux stack is top notch and the new EEVDF scheduler is fully informed in how to optimally feed AMD cores. Bringing it back to consumer. Windows requires BS like core parking cause widnows frankly is 20 year old tech... they are still using the same scheduling they have used since Vista. (Seriously MS hasn't updated it at all). Gaming on Linux core parking at best gains you 2 or 3% of extra performance half of the time and costs you 10+% the other half. Windows is dog shit. The chances of Intel having a smooth launch with arrow lake I would put at 50/50 as well.
@Мирич-з4е My 13900K fried itself do to their microcode, and my replacement 14900K is currently in RMA for the exact same reason. They screwed their consumers for two years, knowing they were selling defective SKU's.
If they owned up to it, I would trust them. But since they lied and covered up, I want to see 15th Gen in place for a few years before I.. ok I'll probably still not trust them.
@@zackS11099 they were not selling defective chips it was the microcode at fault along with board manufacturers pushing the hell out of the chips by default, completely out of intel spec.
People really don’t understand how limiting Infinity Fabric is, also they don’t get how big of a difference a silicon interposer like FOVEROS can make for latency/power. Good work on this one, don’t listen to the fanboys out there
@@SiliconSteak ryzen get hold back by infinite fabric, 6000Mhz is not enough and imagine 7800x3d with ddr5-8400Mhz would be amazing but does not support that. well at last not unstable like intel i9
So everyone that were disappointed by ryzen performance is an intel fanboy? Unholy cow damn maybe im intel Fanboy and i don't even know that 😱 @@Kage0No0Tenshi
The problem with that is though, that 13th & 14th gen didn't show degradation problems until like 1.5 years into their life cycle for 13th gen. And that too is when 13th gen was supposed to be a refinement on 12th gen. Technically you can make the argument that 12th gen was the early adopter stuff, 13th gen WAS the refinement ('cause, if you ignore the 13900K, the 13th gen actually has better performance per watt than 12th gen), and then 14th gen was just a stop-gap until they could mature their Arrow Lake manufacturing. So, in this specific case, the early adopters got the better deal.
arrow lake is not a refresh and its gonna last longer than 12th gen due to new memory bus technogoloy to support CUDIMM and CAM2 . Much easier for cpu's to not have DIMM voltage regulator when CUDIMM / cam2 no longer gonna depend on your cpu voltage regulator when its built in every new dimms now...but careful not overvoltage the dimms...since it no longer gonna fried cpu memory voltage regulator ...it will fried the new dimms regulators while cpu be spared but the new dimms will not
Zen 5 X3D has the same Cache Size and will have the same cache/CCD split as Zen 4X3D. But you will no longer have a core clock deficit and limited OC will be possible.
Lower power, higher performance. But do they stop killing themselves like the 13th and 14th gen Intel chips? Cuz i would definitely let others be guinea pigs to find out if they've fixes their design/manufacturing flaws
13 and 14th Gens killed themselves due to excessive voltages. It's bug in code not a design nor manufacturing flaw. However they weren't very efficient and were pushed too much to try to keep up with AMD. It's like pushing a Turbo on a 4 banger to keep up with V6 at the expensive of reliability.
Both are crap when they’re on top! They need a good kick to keep them in check. That's why it's essential to have both alive and competing-it’s the only way they stay sharp and deliver for us!
lol I've done the same thing w/ AMD but mine's a 3950x but tbf I had three AMD sys a 2950x, 3700x and a 3950x. All of which gave me nothing but issues so I stick w/ Intel. Intel's latest issues w/ their i9 are both Intel & mobo comps fault of trying to push limits to compete. If you lock your cores, voltages and keep temps 90C or below your chip will be fine. I have 3 Intel chips all of which work flawless w/ no stability issues.
The 9000 series is 26% faster in productivity than the 7800X3D in Windows 10 and Linux, while coming in around 2% of the 7800X3D in gaming. X series increases productivity, X3D is for gaming.
9950X is the best all around CPU. Windows snappiness is garbage on a 7800X3D and also the 9950X wrecks the 7800X3D in productivity and even in gaming the 9950X is around 5-10% slower than a 7800X3D.
@@FelaleNot true. Code compilation and virtualization takes advantage of the cache. One of the compiling benchmarks Steve from gn admitted he took out because it was a cache benchmark. I use my 7950x3d for work because it doesn’t sound like a jet engine taking off at 95c heat being blasted. Cinebench shows it’s 96% as fast as a 7950x
Is it really a wake up call? Since 2017 AMD had brought a lot of generational improvements. Zen 5 may be a marginal upgrade for many, but Intel got away with that bs for a full decade. Historically, there is no comparison. Intel needed the improvement gap way more than AMD does.
People… even if this chip is 30% faster than what’s out now, there is no reason for you to upgrade unless your system is 4+ years old. Don’t waste your money just to have the latest and greatest because a company over hyped you on some promise.
I've been using AMD since Intel released 11th gen and started doing questionable stuff. So far AMD has worked incredible well for me, and Intel needs a few generations of good CPU to get trust back. From a performance perspective in games, i don't see how there is much difference between any of the more recent AMD or Intel processors. The only time there is any real difference is if your trying to get 500 Hz at 1080p, which I could not care less about.
I've mostly used Intel over the years. I've had an 80386, 486, Pentium, Pentium 2, Pentium 3, skipped Pentium 4 and used an Athlon64, then went back to Intel during the Core 2 lineup, then used an i7 2600k, and now I'm using an AMD 5800x.
Intel will keep the performance crown again, at the expense of needing a $1000 motherboard, $700 CUDIMM/CAMM2 ram, delidding and a custom loop to stop the chip from frying itself. Meanwhile with AMD you can just slap an X3D chip in a budget B650 board, pair it with cheap ram and tighten it to CL28 (with tight tertiaries), and a cheap AIO to cool it, and end up with 90+% of the end result you would with the Intel build. Depending on how locked down the supposed overclocking on Zen 5 X3D is, Intel might not even convincingly best it, I'll probably end up delidding one and seeing how hard I can push it with a custom loop (for shits and giggles).
That's a massive exaggeration. Looks like they don't need anything special to take the performance crown in leaked benchmarks. For professional use and older applications which rely on single core performance, it's already looking like the king. Brand new and much smaller architecture means it won't have any of the old issues and will be far more power efficient than older generations. AMD should watch out on the lower end, because Intel is going to be bringing the value deals again with strong performance on the bottom of the stack. AMD needs to get their act together and stop delivering the minimum viable product generation after generation. Improve the I/O die and fix the latency. Intel lets people stretch the legs of their high performance memory, and that's supposed to be a bad thing? Time is money.
@@Felale Time is indeed money, and if you know anything about dialing in a memory overclock at 8000+mhz, then you'll know that you need a chip with a golden IMC, a top of the range 2-DIMM motherboard, and a whole lot of time AND money, that was what was required for 13-14th gen to best Zen 4, and it'll be what is required for 15th gen to best Zen 5 X3D, in terms of gaming, in other use case scenarios, AMD is in trouble. And then Zen 6 will come out, and the song and dance will continue.
@@glynkatkin I plan on just buying some fast memory with a good XMP profile out of the box. No messing around with it and blows away anything that will run on AMD. If you don't care about saving money you don't have to monkey with your memory overclock.
I hear the words "sounds like" a lot. Nothing but speculation. The same hot air everyone has heard in the past with CPUs, and GPUs. Latest one being, Zen 5, ofc. Ya, I'll wait for the actual benchmarks. I don't get hyped for anything from the tech industry and haven't for a good 10 years now. Nothing but BS hype.
i prefer stable system instead of 10 extra frames in gameplay... i can't accept memory or data corruption... i would rather choose a system which is two times slower but is 100% all the time... i can't risk oxidation issues in close future so i will better watch at new Intels while using my current AMD setup and my 10900K as a support..only time will tell, but will not take a risk for now
Even though I don't like Intel's tactics of taking customers for granted and absurdly high prices for minimal performance improvements, I'm rooting for them now as we NEED compitition otherwise AMD will be the new Intel in CPU space.
The problem with Intel is their socket on board. For every single new CPU, you need a new motherboard. That is expensive and stupid. With AMD, you buy AM5 and you are ready till 2027+, which probably means even 2029 you will still have some CPU to buy. Come on, Intel is not 90s.
it is actually a good strat. by the time the new socket comes out half the old chips are already burnt up and the mb's damaged. keeps people from accidentally buying a preburnt cpu or mb. kek
I take issue with your other video about Nvidia 5000 release date. It was a supurbly stupid. You said nothing nobody didn't already know. It was just click-bait garbage!
I came to realize that all these years of comparison we were used for our ego for money making justified by efficiency and power, price, in actual truth its just never ending desire for new things. Only to find out hype ends instantly with another new cpu or iphone.
Intel is going from 10nm to 4nm, 3nm or 2nm? So of course your going to see big improvements. Intel also didn't do any of this on their own, they need tsmc and asml to do what they clearly can't do. Welcome to being competitive again intel.
AMD announces 7900X3D to replace the 7800X3D. Coming sooner than expected. This will go head to head with Intels next Gen. Going to be interesting. I will not replace my 14900KS though because the clocks will be lower and I just can’t see that as a good move. I would also have to basically buy everything new to upgrade to this new chip that’s slower in single core than the one I’m running now. I might get a new 5090 GPU, but that too is debatable, because my 4090 is so good and it’s doing a great job. I want a 360Hz 32” OLED Gloss Panel.
The Wattage has been predicted to be 250-275W matching the upcoming Battlemage that is also predicted to be 250-275W. Coincident? I don't think so as the architecture is to be paired and target should be similar to prevent bottlenecks. That would be 550W for the top pairing. Wattage = performance. 5090 is predicted to be 500W. Another point is that Alchemist already beats 4070ti with 60FPS. To beat you need +120FPS at 4k. This is something the tests do not show. Once you understand the difference two silicone vs one silicone. INTEL via REBAR vs AMD/Nvidia standalone cards where CPU has very small part to play. And if you give 10-20% advantage to INTEL in this scenario the overall performance has to be around 40-68%. That's huge. And we are not even talking about APO.
I want intel to do well. Both. And would love a third competitor… it really sucks that they have issues now. Hope they learned a very important lesson and never take their foot off the same again…
Look at Note 7 with Samsung. It still recovered. I had to get away from them for awhile. I still wish LG stayed in the game. The problem is that Intel had plenty of time to make something new, but they just did not innovate that well.
I have a 10600k and reserved a 7600x3d bundle at MC to pick up Tomorrow. I'd love to wait but I'll prob be priced out anyways. For $450 you really can't beat the bundle. In a couple years I'll check back, hopefully Intel is back. But first time I'll be going amd in a long time, fingers crossed.
13 and 14th gen processors kicked the bucket far too fast and it took way too long for Intel to admit something was wrong. They are not a good choice anymore.
Imagine an i9-295XE - $999, 0 E cores, 18P cores, 36T, basically an HEDT on a consumer socket for people who still need extreme thread-heavy workloads. You can also have a cheaper i9-295X at $799 with 16C and 32T, an i7-275X at $599 with 14C and 28T, an i5-255X at $399 with 12C and 24T, and finally an i3-235X at 10C and 20T at $199, and of course with all of the good HEDT stuff that comes with it. Quad channel memory with no sweat, 128GB running at a full 8000MT/s no problem. Not for gaming of course, likely clocked with at 4GHz Base and 5GHz Boost, but an HEDT option that fills the gap that Threadripper left by making even their cheapest 7960X $1499. It probably won't happen, but it would be nice.
@@RobloxianX yes i did but intel anounced the removal of hyperthreading because it caused a lack of performance and when i saw the 18 cores 36 threads i told you about the hyperthreading.
The new memory technologies could be pretty exciting, if they pan out. But if course, I'm very skeptical on cost, availability and potential teething issues. This wouldn't be the first time Intel pushed a new, better memory standard, but it was accompanied by higher prices and just didn't make sense.. But also, it takes time for these things to mature. With Intel's reputation being in a bad place, it might be hard to drum up a lot of early adopters for new tech.
The issue that moving more data costs more power , so to compensate , you make the line shorter . Might work very well for Intel . In amd the chips are far apart from each other , which might not make that feature super attractive as more cache and prefer ching opimization
AMD's 9000 series realistically was nothing more than an ryzen 7 refresh. I don't think they need to be worried. Intrel last 2 generations was basically nothing more than a refresh. Also riddled with problems. Intel might pull ahead in arrow lake. But will most likely be dominated next gen by AMD. I think AMD did this refresh while focusing on their 10,000 series Or whatever they gonna call it. I'm assuming this since RDNA 4 is nothing special but on paper RDNA 5 should scare the pants off Nvidia. To me AMD is just taking a step back this generation to focus all their resources on Next Gen.
Intel might have the upper hand given that the CPUs are being manufactured by TSMC. The CPU incorporates a combination of Intel and TSMC technologies, whereas AMD solely relies on TSMC for its manufacturing since AMD does not manufacture its own chips or develop new technologies like Intel and TSMC do.
But it is two companies this time around TSMC and Intel. Intel Arrow Lake CPUs are being manufactured by TSMC. The CPU incorporates a combination of Intel and TSMC technologies, whereas AMD solely relies on TSMC for its manufacturing since AMD does not manufacture its own chips or develop new technologies like Intel and TSMC do.
I hope this pushes AMD to improve their memory controller in future generations...no one wants AMD to be stuck at 6000 MT RAM for the x800+ series of motherboard.
Got a 14700k that inspired me to not buy intel for the forseeable future. XMP causes it to throw a fit. Done everything from reseating components to reinstalling everything, running one stick of ram, nothing works. Really really hoping 9800x3d is gonna be great.
This is a grand opportunity for Intel to redeem themselves which I believe they will after the 13th and 14th gen issues. Coming from an Intel Core i7 4790k, I can't WAIT to upgrade to the high end Intel Core 9 Ultra 285k.
I’m not much of a gamer besides playing warzone. I’m looking forward to getting arrow lake or their next gen CPU. Been using my Mac mini due for speed and efficiency for every day task and gaming on my ps5
They are likely accurate, given that the CPUs are being manufactured by TSMC. The CPU incorporates a combination of Intel and TSMC technologies, whereas AMD solely relies on TSMC for its manufacturing since AMD does not manufacture its own chips or develop new technologies like Intel and TSMC do.
It’s not really that insane, 8400 kits haven’t even been on the market that long. Intel is switching to an entirely different platform. Therefore compatibility with higher ram speed is not only Possible but 100% will happen
Ryzen 9000 series launch was lackluster, but we haven't seen all it can offer yet. Windows had a bug that affected Ryzen 9000 series performance negatively. BIOS and OS updates always tend to improve performance, so don't jump the gun just yet and wait for a few months for microcode to mature and then see what we are looking at. We still have not seen what 3D Vcache models of 9000 series can do so if regular 9000 doesn't suit you then wait for X3D models. I mean sure AMD botched 9000 series launch which is troubling, but they didn't release bad product per say, just not as big of an increase as people expected for new generation at launch. That being said, it is still way better what ever Intel has released so I wouldn't go all out talking about stagnation, unless AMD's next gen will also be "not ideal".
I don’t want intel to fail as they make sure AMD pushes for better products at lower prices. Right now how AMD is pushing Nvidia to make better gpus at the mid range for a better price. The high end will stay inflated to the moon but that’s ok. Got to start somewhere
Hell yeah, I couldn't agree more. For years, AMD promised good APU and it still sucks for 1080P gaming. Thanks to Intel that we will finally have 1080p60 gaming on iGPU.
My 7840hs does 1080x60 all day on win 11.. My only complaint is the unwillingness for amd to extend rocm to the apu (I guess to push discreet gpu and npu for ai) but there are lots of good hacks for win 11 (zluda has been a god send) it's actually the Linux side that sucks now at least because the hsa override does not really work as well as it did and the lack of official rocm support is much harder to work around leading to OOM and crashing when it is far more capable than even amd apparently wants it to be
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i'll believe it when the benchmarks are out.
This video aged like rotten milk
Nothing is real until it is reviewed like what happened to Zen 5 that you hyped so much but didn't lived up to expectations.
The bigger problem with Zen 5 was Windows botching it's performance. On Linux, Zen 5 had significant performance increase over 8000/7000 series, close to what AMD claimed. Not really much of AMD's fault there, but still, what they're gonna do after Zen, though?
@@edR_mcd who gives a fuck about linux????????? everyone use windows
@@edR_mcdNot really though, the brand prediction algorithm was a general uplift that improved the performance of zen 3 and zen 4 as well. So the margin between zen 4 and zen 5 is still marginal for most applications.
Was just about to say this myself. Zen 5 was supposed to have +40% IPC gains and would've been revolutionary. Leaks are unreliable like that, and in turn, pretty much all the content in this channel is just slop. A shame, because the host himself is actually pretty charismatic and entertaining.
Yeh, let's wait for the reviews. If all this is true and the prices are competitive, I am buying.
I find it so silly that some people refuse to believe that Intel can do well. What's wrong with competition? No gains being a fanboy lol
@@LetMeSnipCode it is not that they can't do well!
but ontop what they did with 14 series. And how manny problems it had/has.
I just don't Think People exspects alot from Intel at the moment.
And they probberly whant some proof it's not another shit show
It's been always like this, amd cpus often gets overhyped and in the end it underdelivers, while intel cpus often gets shoved away as failure even before the product launch, yet to be proven wrong quite often.
@@lasselund1643they replace every defect cpu and even good ones that have been sent to them. What do you want more? Do you want a new car payed by them?
Most people with those opinions are teenagers with no real world experience.
@@lasselund1643a very small number of 14 gen have those issues. Internet just blows it up out of proportion.
Well, this video is some fine milk, isn't it.
This video aged like absolute ASSSSSSSS!!!! 🤣
Fr 🤣🤣🤣
Wow, the milk is putrid
Although my PCs are AMD, I hope that Intel are very successful with their new Arrow Lake CPUs.
Indeed, it will push AMD to make even better CPUs and so on. : )
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@@jesusquintero8905 Exactly hopefully it forces AMD to never sleep in their laurels again and avoid another 9000 series situation. That being said I can't wholeheartedly switch to Intel yet until they start offering socket support on AMD's level. Being able to install a 7th gen CPU now and potentially a 10th or 11th gen one 5 years down the road is a lot of added value. Especially with current MOBO pricing.
your PCs can be whatever it wants, I dont know why reddit and twitter treat this like sports teams
Z790s cost £139 and up. Most expenisve boards go up to around 600. For the Intel processor (i7). A 7800X3D is loads cheaper I want a 7800X3D with ASUS ROG mb but waiting the right time and X870 to come out
I don't trust either brand, I'll believe it when I see it. Esp in the hands of reviewers like Gamer's Nexus and der8auer.
I just dont get all this AMD bashing. They released a chip with roughly 20% gains and some power savings. Granted there were a few bugs, and gaming did not see as much of an improvement, but these are not the chips that are aimed specifically at gamers. The complaints seem ridiculously overinflated.
Well they gotta make Intel look good.
From someone looking to upgrade as my current setup is pushing ~5 years old at this point, I'll give you my perspective.
AMD has been purposely kneecapping their own products to save money and claim compatibility with older motherboards. We've got the latency issues and the old I/O die which limits memory speed and they paper over the issue with 3D vcache. And now we have the fact that half of the 9950X cores don't even boost to their maximum rated speed and are 300MHz slower... From someone looking to buy the top of the stack for professional use as a business write off with no budget, it still doesn't sit right seeing AMD holding their own product back like this. Why would they not just save all the best binned CCDs for their flagship? They cut corners on the flagship and the entire stack which needs 3D to be viable all to save on costs.
I'll take the Intel 285k at the rumored $625 which lets me utilize faster memory and much better latency, much better single core speed, very competitive multi-core speed. I'm buying a new motherboard and RAM anyway because as I said the setup is almost 5 years old now Comet Lake. I expect AMD to drop the 9950X below $600 after Intel 200 comes out. Maybe AMD will release a good product next gen after getting smashed this generation by Intel's offering, but by then it won't really matter since I don't upgrade each generation. I doubt they'll be fixing the 9950X's second CCD with the 9950X3D but if they did that would be something to seriously consider. My advice to you when upgrading is wait for one of them to make a big architectural push and you get the best product that lasts a long time. Neither Intel nor AMD have been making serious progress in years, now is the time to strike when Intel drops this if it goes smoothly. The next time to strike would be when AMD finally upgrades that I/O die and unleashes their memory bottleneck. I'll be waiting until next year to make the purchase for tax reasons, so I'll have time to gauge the initial response and benchmarks on Intel 200.
There's a lot here that seems ridiculously overinflated. I keep hitting the like button and no new GPUs.
@@Felale The issue is windows. None of the issues you mention actually exist under Linux. AMD is going to sell all the zen5 chiplets they can produce for server and AI. Zen5 is an AVX512 beast... the latency your talking about was fixed already with a bios flash. Every AI/Server user is using Linux... and AMDs Linux stack is top notch and the new EEVDF scheduler is fully informed in how to optimally feed AMD cores. Bringing it back to consumer. Windows requires BS like core parking cause widnows frankly is 20 year old tech... they are still using the same scheduling they have used since Vista. (Seriously MS hasn't updated it at all). Gaming on Linux core parking at best gains you 2 or 3% of extra performance half of the time and costs you 10+% the other half. Windows is dog shit.
The chances of Intel having a smooth launch with arrow lake I would put at 50/50 as well.
@@chaddesrosiers1107 AVX512 suck ass man, Linus Torvalds (creator of Linux) once said, "I hope AVX-512 dies a painful death."
Intel has alot to prove after 13th and 14th customer screw over.
What's wrong with the 13th gen? It was a great improvement over the 12 gen. I bought an i5 13 gen a year and a half ago, and it works great.
@@Мирич-з4е Some higher end chips (mainly I9 and I7) were frying themselves and failing due to high voltages.
@Мирич-з4е My 13900K fried itself do to their microcode, and my replacement 14900K is currently in RMA for the exact same reason. They screwed their consumers for two years, knowing they were selling defective SKU's.
If they owned up to it, I would trust them. But since they lied and covered up, I want to see 15th Gen in place for a few years before I.. ok I'll probably still not trust them.
@@zackS11099 they were not selling defective chips it was the microcode at fault along with board manufacturers pushing the hell out of the chips by default, completely out of intel spec.
Click bait bs
I haven’t seen intel drop prices on anything. Wtf are you talking about?
Bro what are you talking about they have dropped their prices a lot
More like 20% drops
Wake up AMD! Oh nvm you can sleep in 😂
Fr 😂
People really don’t understand how limiting Infinity Fabric is, also they don’t get how big of a difference a silicon interposer like FOVEROS can make for latency/power. Good work on this one, don’t listen to the fanboys out there
But really, IF is what is holding Ryzen back. They need a rework
@@SiliconSteak ryzen get hold back by infinite fabric, 6000Mhz is not enough and imagine 7800x3d with ddr5-8400Mhz would be amazing but does not support that.
well at last not unstable like intel i9
Zen 6 might be really good.
@@GraphicallyChallenged Are they updating IF? Only leaks I’ve heard for zen 6 is from MLID, and well, he’s extremely biased towards team red
So everyone that were disappointed by ryzen performance is an intel fanboy? Unholy cow damn maybe im intel Fanboy and i don't even know that 😱 @@Kage0No0Tenshi
Wow, Intel says it's new CPUs will be all rainbows and puppies, just like 13th & 14th gen was gonna be. How'd that work out? Don't early adopt, kids.
The problem with that is though, that 13th & 14th gen didn't show degradation problems until like 1.5 years into their life cycle for 13th gen. And that too is when 13th gen was supposed to be a refinement on 12th gen. Technically you can make the argument that 12th gen was the early adopter stuff, 13th gen WAS the refinement ('cause, if you ignore the 13900K, the 13th gen actually has better performance per watt than 12th gen), and then 14th gen was just a stop-gap until they could mature their Arrow Lake manufacturing. So, in this specific case, the early adopters got the better deal.
13th and 14th gen were 12th gen refreshes. This is the first new thing in ~3 years.
arrow lake is not a refresh and its gonna last longer than 12th gen due to new memory bus technogoloy to support CUDIMM and CAM2 . Much easier for cpu's to not have DIMM voltage regulator when CUDIMM / cam2 no longer gonna depend on your cpu voltage regulator when its built in every new dimms now...but careful not overvoltage the dimms...since it no longer gonna fried cpu memory voltage regulator ...it will fried the new dimms regulators while cpu be spared but the new dimms will not
Gonna upgrade from my 9700k to the latest core ultra 9 hopefully it will be enough of cpu power for the 5090
@@Yooman1337 if you currently have a 4090 you do not need a 5090. It’s literally a waste of money.
LOL this video didn't age well. Dude stop posting such nonsense videos when you have no clue what you're talking about as we can now see.
Reading marketing slides with enthusiasm
@@Subtle_Shift_In_Emphasis Yes, this channel is absolute click bait garbage.
Fr I wonder how he feels in buying into Intel's lies for the 1000th+ times and being disappointed yet again 😂😂
This didnt age well lmao how does it feel to buy into intels lies for the 1000th+ time and be disappointed yet again 😂😂😂
Intel fcked me . Will be sticking with amd despite the hype.
How did they fcked you?! You see the reviews and you buy them.
Intel fanboys are going to be very disappointed when this comes out.
I trust Intel 😓
X3Ds in my opinion will be huge because i've read that ryzen 9 will likely have 2 CCDs with the 3D cache and also unlocked cores
@@alessandropisano9903 yep that's what I am waiting for.
Agreed
Zen 5 X3D has the same Cache Size and will have the same cache/CCD split as Zen 4X3D. But you will no longer have a core clock deficit and limited OC will be possible.
Let's hope Intel copy 3d vcache on their new processors soon. Us consumers are benefitting if the companies are copying what is good from each other.
@@aos32 First i Hope It doesn't happen and second i think It can't happen because probably It's a petent
Lower power, higher performance. But do they stop killing themselves like the 13th and 14th gen Intel chips? Cuz i would definitely let others be guinea pigs to find out if they've fixes their design/manufacturing flaws
High performance means nothing with their LOSER 32MB cache. Losers
different arquiteture, there will be no problems like the generation prior.
13 and 14th Gens killed themselves due to excessive voltages. It's bug in code not a design nor manufacturing flaw. However they weren't very efficient and were pushed too much to try to keep up with AMD. It's like pushing a Turbo on a 4 banger to keep up with V6 at the expensive of reliability.
It will be on a brand new platform so honestly it's pretty likely to be fixed
@@henryyiu618yeah they could have tried v cache or some less core ideas why did they have to go the good old-fashioned voltage method to improve.
Both are crap when they’re on top! They need a good kick to keep them in check. That's why it's essential to have both alive and competing-it’s the only way they stay sharp and deliver for us!
@@abzaman77 completely agree!
I also have high hopes for Battlemage. Nvidia needs some kicking for sure.
@@Swoxie1 yep
They need to do something I have a 13,900k in a picture frame above my desk to remind me not to do that again
lol I've done the same thing w/ AMD but mine's a 3950x but tbf I had three AMD sys a 2950x, 3700x and a 3950x. All of which gave me nothing but issues so I stick w/ Intel. Intel's latest issues w/ their i9 are both Intel & mobo comps fault of trying to push limits to compete. If you lock your cores, voltages and keep temps 90C or below your chip will be fine. I have 3 Intel chips all of which work flawless w/ no stability issues.
Watching on an E5-2699 v4. I'll wait to see how this goes.
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
As usual, Intel disappoints. It's barely faster than 14th gen. 🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
The 9000 series is 26% faster in productivity than the 7800X3D in Windows 10 and Linux, while coming in around 2% of the 7800X3D in gaming. X series increases productivity, X3D is for gaming.
Exactly
But the 7800X3D feels like garbage on desktop tasks outside of the games. So you have to drop the full amount to get the best of both worlds...
9950X is the best all around CPU. Windows snappiness is garbage on a 7800X3D and also the 9950X wrecks the 7800X3D in productivity and even in gaming the 9950X is around 5-10% slower than a 7800X3D.
@@Felale If you're having issues on a 7800X3D with windows and basic desktop tasks, you have other issues with your PC. I've never noticed an issue.
@@FelaleNot true. Code compilation and virtualization takes advantage of the cache. One of the compiling benchmarks Steve from gn admitted he took out because it was a cache benchmark.
I use my 7950x3d for work because it doesn’t sound like a jet engine taking off at 95c heat being blasted. Cinebench shows it’s 96% as fast as a 7950x
is not😂
Is it really a wake up call? Since 2017 AMD had brought a lot of generational improvements. Zen 5 may be a marginal upgrade for many, but Intel got away with that bs for a full decade. Historically, there is no comparison. Intel needed the improvement gap way more than AMD does.
Intel can't even build a competitive processor without it destroying itself. What makes you think the ultra series will be good?
People… even if this chip is 30% faster than what’s out now, there is no reason for you to upgrade unless your system is 4+ years old. Don’t waste your money just to have the latest and greatest because a company over hyped you on some promise.
you wouldn't be happy with a 30% performance uplift?.
That would alter the CPU landscape for several generations, that would deserve hype.
I actually heard windows 11 is hurting AMD performance
As long as they keep changing socket generation after generation, AMD will still be a better choice
I've been using AMD since Intel released 11th gen and started doing questionable stuff.
So far AMD has worked incredible well for me, and Intel needs a few generations of good CPU to get trust back.
From a performance perspective in games, i don't see how there is much difference between any of the more recent AMD or Intel processors.
The only time there is any real difference is if your trying to get 500 Hz at 1080p, which I could not care less about.
I've mostly used Intel over the years. I've had an 80386, 486, Pentium, Pentium 2, Pentium 3, skipped Pentium 4 and used an Athlon64, then went back to Intel during the Core 2 lineup, then used an i7 2600k, and now I'm using an AMD 5800x.
Intel will keep the performance crown again, at the expense of needing a $1000 motherboard, $700 CUDIMM/CAMM2 ram, delidding and a custom loop to stop the chip from frying itself.
Meanwhile with AMD you can just slap an X3D chip in a budget B650 board, pair it with cheap ram and tighten it to CL28 (with tight tertiaries), and a cheap AIO to cool it, and end up with 90+% of the end result you would with the Intel build.
Depending on how locked down the supposed overclocking on Zen 5 X3D is, Intel might not even convincingly best it, I'll probably end up delidding one and seeing how hard I can push it with a custom loop (for shits and giggles).
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH COMMON SENSE
That's a massive exaggeration. Looks like they don't need anything special to take the performance crown in leaked benchmarks. For professional use and older applications which rely on single core performance, it's already looking like the king. Brand new and much smaller architecture means it won't have any of the old issues and will be far more power efficient than older generations. AMD should watch out on the lower end, because Intel is going to be bringing the value deals again with strong performance on the bottom of the stack.
AMD needs to get their act together and stop delivering the minimum viable product generation after generation. Improve the I/O die and fix the latency. Intel lets people stretch the legs of their high performance memory, and that's supposed to be a bad thing? Time is money.
@@Felale Time is indeed money, and if you know anything about dialing in a memory overclock at 8000+mhz, then you'll know that you need a chip with a golden IMC, a top of the range 2-DIMM motherboard, and a whole lot of time AND money, that was what was required for 13-14th gen to best Zen 4, and it'll be what is required for 15th gen to best Zen 5 X3D, in terms of gaming, in other use case scenarios, AMD is in trouble.
And then Zen 6 will come out, and the song and dance will continue.
@@glynkatkin ok amd fanboy
@@glynkatkin I plan on just buying some fast memory with a good XMP profile out of the box. No messing around with it and blows away anything that will run on AMD. If you don't care about saving money you don't have to monkey with your memory overclock.
I will never buy an Intel cpu again. Intel owes me serious money for a board and cpu I had to throw away 😡
Ill wait till it actually comes out and then wait another year before I even look at intel.
Nana said, don't do coke, buy the dip
I hear the words "sounds like" a lot. Nothing but speculation. The same hot air everyone has heard in the past with CPUs, and GPUs. Latest one being, Zen 5, ofc.
Ya, I'll wait for the actual benchmarks. I don't get hyped for anything from the tech industry and haven't for a good 10 years now. Nothing but BS hype.
No hyper threading no thank you.
i prefer stable system instead of 10 extra frames in gameplay... i can't accept memory or data corruption... i would rather choose a system which is two times slower but is 100% all the time... i can't risk oxidation issues in close future so i will better watch at new Intels while using my current AMD setup and my 10900K as a support..only time will tell, but will not take a risk for now
Even though I don't like Intel's tactics of taking customers for granted and absurdly high prices for minimal performance improvements, I'm rooting for them now as we NEED compitition otherwise AMD will be the new Intel in CPU space.
The problem with Intel is their socket on board. For every single new CPU, you need a new motherboard. That is expensive and stupid. With AMD, you buy AM5 and you are ready till 2027+, which probably means even 2029 you will still have some CPU to buy. Come on, Intel is not 90s.
it is actually a good strat. by the time the new socket comes out half the old chips are already burnt up and the mb's damaged.
keeps people from accidentally buying a preburnt cpu or mb.
kek
This is very interesting so their skipping calling the chips 15200/15900
I take issue with your other video about Nvidia 5000 release date. It was a supurbly stupid. You said nothing nobody didn't already know. It was just click-bait garbage!
I hope this cpu is great despite what people say my 13900k has been great.
13900k is a beast. And this is coming from a person owning AMD-based PCs so no fanboyism here. I hope it's stable and serves you well for years. 👍
My 13600kf has been nice low temps hardly ever gets hot
@bgtubber hopefully so 😂
same with my 14700k it's running good as new and matches 9700x easily!
"wake up call" implies amd has been sleeping which is not true
I came to realize that all these years of comparison we were used for our ego for money making justified by efficiency and power, price, in actual truth its just never ending desire for new things. Only to find out hype ends instantly with another new cpu or iphone.
Intel is going from 10nm to 4nm, 3nm or 2nm? So of course your going to see big improvements. Intel also didn't do any of this on their own, they need tsmc and asml to do what they clearly can't do. Welcome to being competitive again intel.
anyone on AMD team should hope that arrow lake does AMAZING, cuz itll force more competition, gotta love capitalism
Since amd sold on zen 5 its good for us consumers cause rn after arrow lake releases they are level
I am still using skylake i5 6500 with 40 gigs DDR4 LOL.
Can't decide what should be my next PC.
this video is definitely Intel fanboyism / shilling, AMD haven't even released their X3D models of the 9000 series yet, lol.
this video aged poorly, lol.
competition breed innovation, limitation breed innovation, needs breed innovation
AMD announces 7900X3D to replace the 7800X3D. Coming sooner than expected. This will go head to head with Intels next Gen. Going to be interesting. I will not replace my 14900KS though because the clocks will be lower and I just can’t see that as a good move. I would also have to basically buy everything new to upgrade to this new chip that’s slower in single core than the one I’m running now. I might get a new 5090 GPU, but that too is debatable, because my 4090 is so good and it’s doing a great job. I want a 360Hz 32” OLED Gloss Panel.
The Wattage has been predicted to be 250-275W matching the upcoming Battlemage that is also predicted to be 250-275W. Coincident? I don't think so as the architecture is to be paired and target should be similar to prevent bottlenecks. That would be 550W for the top pairing. Wattage = performance. 5090 is predicted to be 500W. Another point is that Alchemist already beats 4070ti with 60FPS. To beat you need +120FPS at 4k. This is something the tests do not show. Once you understand the difference two silicone vs one silicone. INTEL via REBAR vs AMD/Nvidia standalone cards where CPU has very small part to play. And if you give 10-20% advantage to INTEL in this scenario the overall performance has to be around 40-68%. That's huge. And we are not even talking about APO.
Good job TSMC!
And ASML, Intel does an amazing job submitting orders to both of them.
I want intel to do well. Both. And would love a third competitor… it really sucks that they have issues now. Hope they learned a very important lesson and never take their foot off the same again…
Latest best Intel CPU it's 12900K with AVX512, disabled E-cores, without degradation issues. Intel can make 10-12 cores version of it without E-cores.
I’m glad users still wanna run Intel after what happened.
what happened?
@@fuzitele7830 Whoa!!! That's one hell of a big rock you're under there.
@@fuzitele7830 13/14900K degrading
Look at Note 7 with Samsung. It still recovered. I had to get away from them for awhile. I still wish LG stayed in the game. The problem is that Intel had plenty of time to make something new, but they just did not innovate that well.
@@fuzitele7830 Higher end 13th and 14th gen CPUs were destroying themselves with elevated voltage requests I believe. Some i5s were affected as well.
im waiting for intel to have a crazy comeback
They should bring back undervolting to laptops. Then we'll talk.
I have a 10600k and reserved a 7600x3d bundle at MC to pick up Tomorrow. I'd love to wait but I'll prob be priced out anyways. For $450 you really can't beat the bundle. In a couple years I'll check back, hopefully Intel is back. But first time I'll be going amd in a long time, fingers crossed.
doesn't matter consumers dont trust them anymore
13 and 14th gen processors kicked the bucket far too fast and it took way too long for Intel to admit something was wrong. They are not a good choice anymore.
Intel would corner the market again with Arrow Lake if the Raptor Lake fiasco hadn't happened......
Imagine an i9-295XE - $999, 0 E cores, 18P cores, 36T, basically an HEDT on a consumer socket for people who still need extreme thread-heavy workloads.
You can also have a cheaper i9-295X at $799 with 16C and 32T, an i7-275X at $599 with 14C and 28T, an i5-255X at $399 with 12C and 24T, and finally an i3-235X at 10C and 20T at $199, and of course with all of the good HEDT stuff that comes with it.
Quad channel memory with no sweat, 128GB running at a full 8000MT/s no problem.
Not for gaming of course, likely clocked with at 4GHz Base and 5GHz Boost, but an HEDT option that fills the gap that Threadripper left by making even their cheapest 7960X $1499. It probably won't happen, but it would be nice.
@@RobloxianX hyperthreading is gone so same threads as cores
@@cronos1368 did you not read my comment
@@RobloxianX yes i did but intel anounced the removal of hyperthreading because it caused a lack of performance and when i saw the 18 cores 36 threads i told you about the hyperthreading.
@@cronos1368 I am literally talking about HEDT not the consumer platform, read the comment next time.
Let's hope Intel makes it. As an AMD user I simply can't afford to lose the competitor!
The new memory technologies could be pretty exciting, if they pan out. But if course, I'm very skeptical on cost, availability and potential teething issues. This wouldn't be the first time Intel pushed a new, better memory standard, but it was accompanied by higher prices and just didn't make sense.. But also, it takes time for these things to mature. With Intel's reputation being in a bad place, it might be hard to drum up a lot of early adopters for new tech.
Not a wake up call for amd, its a "take a redbull the day ain't finished yet"
The issue that moving more data costs more power , so to compensate , you make the line shorter . Might work very well for Intel . In amd the chips are far apart from each other , which might not make that feature super attractive as more cache and prefer ching opimization
Lets wait for 3th party benches. Only after that you can call it a wake up call
Bro... some of those specs look like they're from an AI generated picture (2:32). You sure this is legit?
I have intel an AMD desktops 😮
this video couldn't have aged any worse.
AMD's 9000 series realistically was nothing more than an ryzen 7 refresh. I don't think they need to be worried. Intrel last 2 generations was basically nothing more than a refresh. Also riddled with problems. Intel might pull ahead in arrow lake. But will most likely be dominated next gen by AMD. I think AMD did this refresh while focusing on their 10,000 series Or whatever they gonna call it. I'm assuming this since RDNA 4 is nothing special but on paper RDNA 5 should scare the pants off Nvidia. To me AMD is just taking a step back this generation to focus all their resources on Next Gen.
Intel might have the upper hand given that the CPUs are being manufactured by TSMC. The CPU incorporates a combination of Intel and TSMC technologies, whereas AMD solely relies on TSMC for its manufacturing since AMD does not manufacture its own chips or develop new technologies like Intel and TSMC do.
Yeah, we will see. Never underestimate the shiestiness of the Intel Corp.
But it is two companies this time around TSMC and Intel. Intel Arrow Lake CPUs are being manufactured by TSMC. The CPU incorporates a combination of Intel and TSMC technologies, whereas AMD solely relies on TSMC for its manufacturing since AMD does not manufacture its own chips or develop new technologies like Intel and TSMC do.
I hope this pushes AMD to improve their memory controller in future generations...no one wants AMD to be stuck at 6000 MT RAM for the x800+ series of motherboard.
You need to recheck your numbers on the 9000 series! The 9700xt is almost as fast as the 78003d
Atm 285k is slower than 9950x in all synth. benchmarks. Keep coping.
My I-12900K is still going strong and probably will be more than enough for at least another 5 years.
I stayed with 7950x. Didn’t bother with 9950x. Dumpster fire launch
the only positive of 9950x are reduced temps, the rest, super meh..
Zen 5%
@@NothingNewNerd Zen 6000MT/s
@@NothingNewNerd in games on windows.
Got a 14700k that inspired me to not buy intel for the forseeable future. XMP causes it to throw a fit. Done everything from reseating components to reinstalling everything, running one stick of ram, nothing works. Really really hoping 9800x3d is gonna be great.
E cores are boring, just remove all and give us +30-40% more Pcores.
Did you not understand this video, our Ecores are essentially becoming mini pcores
This is a grand opportunity for Intel to redeem themselves which I believe they will after the 13th and 14th gen issues. Coming from an Intel Core i7 4790k, I can't WAIT to upgrade to the high end Intel Core 9 Ultra 285k.
this 13900k is super old can't wait to upgrade
haha this video did not age well
All arrow lake needs to be is 13th gen at less power, which will obviously happen because it's TSMC this time, not Intel's fab.
Intel will always be my gaming pick...the highest frames means nothing when you have AMDIP.
I’m not much of a gamer besides playing warzone. I’m looking forward to getting arrow lake or their next gen CPU. Been using my Mac mini due for speed and efficiency for every day task and gaming on my ps5
I was abt to get a 4080 s and 7800x3d build but might aswell get a 285k 5080 build if I can get both in like 4 months 😅
I'll believe the claims when I see independent reviews.
They are likely accurate, given that the CPUs are being manufactured by TSMC. The CPU incorporates a combination of Intel and TSMC technologies, whereas AMD solely relies on TSMC for its manufacturing since AMD does not manufacture its own chips or develop new technologies like Intel and TSMC do.
MAX RAM IS 9600 MT/S?! The fastest ram I know of is only 8400 MT/S bro, that's insane
It’s not really that insane, 8400 kits haven’t even been on the market that long. Intel is switching to an entirely different platform. Therefore compatibility with higher ram speed is not only Possible but 100% will happen
Ryzen 7700 here. Absolute MONSTER.
Why not 7700X?
@@GreyDeathVaccine Lower power consumption, less heat. Same performance. All the benchmarks are pretty much the same. Run em at 1440p.
Ryzen 9000 series launch was lackluster, but we haven't seen all it can offer yet. Windows had a bug that affected Ryzen 9000 series performance negatively. BIOS and OS updates always tend to improve performance, so don't jump the gun just yet and wait for a few months for microcode to mature and then see what we are looking at.
We still have not seen what 3D Vcache models of 9000 series can do so if regular 9000 doesn't suit you then wait for X3D models.
I mean sure AMD botched 9000 series launch which is troubling, but they didn't release bad product per say, just not as big of an increase as people expected for new generation at launch.
That being said, it is still way better what ever Intel has released so I wouldn't go all out talking about stagnation, unless AMD's next gen will also be "not ideal".
I don’t want intel to fail as they make sure AMD pushes for better products at lower prices. Right now how AMD is pushing Nvidia to make better gpus at the mid range for a better price. The high end will stay inflated to the moon but that’s ok. Got to start somewhere
I'm still waiting for the 9800X3D and 9950X3D
@@ShadowAngelS2K it probably going to have a tiny 5% boost compared to their previous 7000 versions
@@frostytaco8598 7800X3D is already sitting at $400+ so might as well wait
Either way replacing the 7800x3d will not be worth@@frostytaco8598
Either way replacing the 7800x3d will not be worth@@frostytaco8598
Hell yeah, I couldn't agree more. For years, AMD promised good APU and it still sucks for 1080P gaming. Thanks to Intel that we will finally have 1080p60 gaming on iGPU.
My 7840hs does 1080x60 all day on win 11.. My only complaint is the unwillingness for amd to extend rocm to the apu (I guess to push discreet gpu and npu for ai) but there are lots of good hacks for win 11 (zluda has been a god send) it's actually the Linux side that sucks now at least because the hsa override does not really work as well as it did and the lack of official rocm support is much harder to work around leading to OOM and crashing when it is far more capable than even amd apparently wants it to be
Too bad what we need isnt cpu power, but gpus that dont cost half my paycheck for midrange option and more than a whole paycheck for the highest end.