⭐️Rear Channels _(Z Reviews)_ Home Theater 104
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"Bigger is better in the rear." -Zeos
"You want to back that shit up." -Zeos
I wonder how this will work with cathedral ceiling
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I didn't know zeos was gay. I wish I still didn't.
Sounds like a porn movie
With such limited space in my lounge, I've had the rears on the wall right behind my head. Now after watching this I've moved them into each corner facing upwards.
Massive difference.
Thanks Z 👌👌
Holy moly you're right. I did it with my cheap Panasonic speakers laying them against the wall and point upwards and now it sounds like the best ones for the rear
Haaaa I been using my rear speakers pointing straight up the walls with budget 6 inchers for over 20 years! finally someone that understands it does work!
Another quality video. I like where your channel is headed. Keep up the great work.
Home Theater 101 INTRO : ua-cam.com/video/U-tfoHeA-tY/v-deo.html
Home Theater 102 RECEIVERS : ua-cam.com/video/b01kHaqc-iY/v-deo.html
Home Theater 103 CENTER CHANNELS : ua-cam.com/video/ILFo9zLGqzI/v-deo.html
Home Theater 104 REAR CHANNELS : ua-cam.com/video/Cz2gCFfo2Ho/v-deo.html
Home Theater 105 SUBWOOFERS : ua-cam.com/video/jpUMx3VpFK8/v-deo.html
Hey Zeos. You seemed to have put the same link for 102 and 104, so both are for rear speakers :p
Z your apartment or house or whatever is so versatile in the utility that you get out of it. It has everything that I would ever want stored neatly in one room. It is reminiscent of japanese one-room apartments that have to cram everything into a small space. Your bike being hung up, your small kitchen, your projector hidden in your wall. It is all very satisfying.
I trust your opinion because you drink the intellectuals drink.
One of the most entertaining videos on surround sound but also full of good info, thank you!
@zeos you the man! After years of telling myself I don't have the space for sourround speakers I went on and did your wall hack, now I finally enjoy a sourround sound and it totally works! 😄. Thank you for the great advice. Keep on the best audio reviews ever 👏👏👏👏
Wow, I did move the rears higher and further back and holy shi% the difference it makes was outstanding! I did also play with the direction making them shoot the sound toward the back wall. The result is amazing.
thanx z love your videos. And as what you said experience with them it is free.
Been following your videos from down under for a long time, this one has been one of the best! You sir, are fantastic!
I have 11.2 set up. My top front, sides and rear are the sound appeals. Top middle are in ceiling miccas. Sounds awesome. Zeos is 100% spot on. Do not spend a small fortune on surrounds.
Good advice Zeos.
My rear channels are some Sharps that I found at a Goodwill for $5 a piece. Still blows people's minds when demoing for people that have never really heard a surround setup before. I hear you Zeos!
I appreciate your pragmatic & experimental approach, Z- seriously- Bravo for thinking for yourself! 👏
I can't like this video enough, once again, well done!
This was a solution i also came up with, my father didn't want to mount rear channel speakers. My solution was down beside the couch and chair pointing up, and same that nice general sound wash as it bounced off the ceiling. Just perfect. I heard an interesting suggestion to mount the Fluance sideways to get an up and down shot with the sound rather than a wide dispersion.
Holy shit, thank you for this awesome video. Doesn't matter how you organize the video. I need you to tell me everything you know!
I love you! Thank you for solving the rear speaker problem
I tried this. Works great. Thanks Z! 30 year audio engineer. I mix for TV and film. My home setup sounds better now. Love. :)
Holy shit!
Zeos, outstanding video... just took off my mirage rear omni speakers that were mounted on the wall that touches the couch. I had some old martin logan bookshelf speakers and fired them up on each side of the couch. it is VERY mucho grande! I am thinking about putting the Mirage omni up as my dolby atmos up fires in front...
That would be interesting.
after i saw the video i directly tried your flipping the speaker upside down trick and you´re right! it sounds awsome, even when my rear speakers already are quite high up on walls it still sounds much more spread out and immersive. this is some black magic vodoo i would never thougt of trying this before seeing your videos, thank you! :D
forskur so you took them off the wall and put them on the floor and face them up?
still have them around 2 feet above earlevel, cant put them lower than that because of furniture and stuff. but would like to try tho :)
forskur what did you do to handle the rear ports?
I love you! I am that guy with the couch up against the wall and rears a couple feet off to the side. My living room is really small so not much else I can do for now. I was going to mount them but now I feel I'm just going to leave them on the floor!
Speaking about DYI with the yoga mat , i found the best vibration insulation the mats for washmachines. For couple bucks you get a heavy duty rubber mat you can cut into pieces as well :)
It is one of the best video about souroundspeakers I ve seen.. excellent job my man !
I have had dozens of side/rear surround speakers over the years. Bought a pair of used JBL 8330's off ebay and will not even consider anything else. Powerful, dynamic and crystal clear.
The monolith 265 THX Atmos I use for my rears are phenomenal. Little on pricey side, $550. pair. I wish would seen this before, purchasing the 265 ,but I have no regrets easy set up.
I had those micca 8" in my ceiling at my office. After business hours I'd poor myself a whiskey and let me tell you just two of those at about 8 ft apart diagonal to the room (like rolling a deuce on the die) blew my mind. Just 60 watts driving them and it was quite amazing the sound.
Congratulations, you are the first channel that I actually cared to "hit that bell icon" 🔔... Well done, both for humor and content.
Thank you for opening my eyes (or ears) zeos! I’ll do this
Your thumbnail made me go cross eyed thinking it was a visual effect until I realized ohh shit it actually looks like that!
I've been using Boston acoustic CR6's for my surrounds pouting upwards and WOW thanks for that advice. Great sound and it really adds to the ambiance.
you are freaking hilarious ! it's a good thing ! ENTERTAINING !!! and INFORMATIVE !!!
So some big loud 8s in the floor behind a planter then. Cool! Thanks!!!
I don't have any way to mount things on the side walls of my viewing room, so instead of 7.x I went with 5.x. I really never looked at dipoles. The biggest upgrade I ever made was to add height speakers and Dolby Atmos processing: 5.2.4 and it's stupendous. 5 Martin Logan LX-16 as the base level including center + 4 Klipsch RP-140SA ceiling mountable height speakers (can also be used as upwards firing Atmos speakers) + 2 Elemental Designs 15-inch subs.
"It's free to move speakers around." Absolutely! I just watched an interview with Andrew Jones where he said he'll spend a good day for an event making little adjustments to a speakers position and location in a room.
And you can't listen to what the reviewers say work for them because it will likely be different for you. The reviewers said the Klipsch work best not toed in. I have to point them straight at me to get the bass hum out.
@@kohnfutner9637 thank you
i dont have room for a 7.1 so ive been running a 6.1 with a single back channel which is a old center channel speaker vertical on the floor wedged between my coach and the back wall. been running it for months and it works good enough for how little i ask for it.
Yeah that is a tough placement. But again anything is better than nothing.
I've got some no name small speakers for rears on a laptop that sit on top of sticky pads. Yeah, the ones folks use for their cell phones in cars. They work great and cost like $3 each. Does a great job.
Just discovered your channel a few weeks ago. Loving it. Thinking of buying some Stax Lambda Classics after you raving about the l700. Awesome stuff!
Going oldschool box head. I like.
Whooom PLANE, I'M A PLANE!
Oh God zeos your neighbors must think you're nuts
But would they be wrong?
They think I am a cannibal. Well that is what they probably thought as I ate them.
Ok, now that was pretty good.
I'm the cannibal. I cannibalized one of my Micca COVO-S to 3D print a new body for it.
just the neighbors?
What would you recommend in place of the canto Benz?
Did this behind my coutch up agenst the wall a year ago and havent changed it. Works great
I can confirm it works damn well. Had them pointing up for a couple years now
This kind of review is why I am a patreon supporter!
This is the first of your videos i've seen, and it cracked me up :). I've got two questions for you though.
1) What would you recommend for surround placement if one side is open to the rest of the house,and the surrounds will probably have to live on or near the end tables at either side of the sofa? The sofa is up against the wall.
2) I've wanted to add some atmos channels in ceiling one day. Would pointing these straight up at the wall screw with that?
Exact same scenario with me. What did you end up doing?
Higher quality speakers for surrounds have significant value when you utilize full 7 channel stereo going in larger rooms when entertaining. Just saying.
Eh. If you are filling in music in that mode it is a different ballgame entirely. That is sound reinforcement. I'd be amazed if anyone uses it that way more than a few hours a year.
This was a great one, well done. You also have me questioning why this isn’t something widely done before.
Too hard to explain? Need matching side wall? Rooms differ too much?
@@ZReviews hey Z, I got a wall on one side but a giant window on the other. Is that window gonna affect the sound too much?
My dad always used these Monster DCM KX-12 Series 2 loud speakers as his rears and i always thought they sounded amazing i would be curious to tinker with some of the more tradition surrounds people use nowadays
Just tried it with an pair of polk owm3s and it's glorious!
@Michael MacDonald, how did you mount the OMW3s? I have that situation that Zeos told where my couch is against the walls (rear and side). It´s a 2.6meters couch and I was thinking about replace my Micca Covo-S with a pair of Polk OWM3 (and another pair for ATMOS), since Zeos reviewed it and said they are amazing close (desktop) listening. Here is a picture of my syrrounds today: www.dropbox.com/s/5huywqxsd7lwzjk/20292584_10154786011517308_5224998341714145289_n.jpg?dl=0
I made my comment before finish watching this video...I'll try to point my Miccas up to see what happens! Thanks Zeos! :)
How do the Covos sound pointed up?
Going to try this with my Cerwin Vega XLS-6 surrounds. My ceiling is not flat but vaulted so I'm interested to see how the sound reflects. I do have the localized sound issue because they are placed at about 100 degrees behind my sofa due to space constraints. We'll see.
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Got to say this worked wonders in my small dedicated theatre! Z this is genius, with side surrounds pointed into the room your absolutely right it’s sounds like a speaker, with them pointing up it’s a wall of sound that is the closest I have got to a real cinema sound field in my room. If you think about it a commercial theatre you never localise the surround speakers due to large room acoustics and the array of multiple side channels, it’s more to support and envelope the front sound and that is exactly what pointing the speakers up gives you in a small room. This theory is also backed up on the audioholics site where they opt for diffused dipole and bipole surround in small theatres. Genius and looks absolutely fine in my dedicated theatre on wall brackets
Actually, as we move to Atmos, a greater number of speakers are used and objects are able to be moved around the room - and you should be able to locate where they're coming from. That is what the producers and engineers intend. If you took a movie like that and washed the walls with sound, as those sounds go through the back channels, they would sound much larger and more diffuse than they are supposed to, and you would hear a clear difference as compared to the front. The idea with Atmos is the sound should have the same character wherever it is moved about the room. Z is right that this works for 5.1 or 7.1 setups, but we're at a crossroads and we're moving away from this kind of setup. Of course, that mostly won't apply to budget home theaters and living room setups where you can't install speakers all over the walls and in the ceiling, so Z's method works in this scenario.
@@matsudakodo yea actually atmos in my setup actually sounds better with the speakers pointing up and somehow the objects become even more oriented in space, especially between the front and surround speakers.
Well. i'll have to try this setup, wonder how well itll work with atmos in ceilings.. probably fine i assume
You should do more 101 videos Z.
Just you rambling knowledge. Do some for room acoustics, televisions/projectors, headphones, amplifiers, AVR settings, tips tricks, etc.
They're really entertaining to watch and can learn some new shit!
Join my Twitch stream and try and get my attention.
Woah! plane! I'm a plane!
You have the right idea ,if it sounds good to you then do it. Never be afraid to go against the norm .
Been looking to buy back speakers upgrading but I am going to try what you’re saying before I upgrade. put them on the wall I Will check it out thank you very much for the video.
Nice, thanks. I just happen to be dealing with the confusion of setting up and getting good surround speakers for a DTS:X/Atmos setup and also watching Bakemonogatari series :)
Thank you SO much Zeos, I was about to spend 1000 dollaroos on a set of r300's for surrounds to match my r500's up front, you saved me so much money.
YOU ANIMAL. R300's for the rear. I'd have hit you.
Z Reviews I'd literally pay for that... Well to meet you, you can keep the hitting. Also I found no paperwork and studies about upfiring side/rear channels, very strange
i've tried it with a set of klipsch ss1 bipole, and i'm not going back. it works!!
Great advice, admittedly all I can pay attention to when you're looking at the rack is that beautiful Spec-2.
One day I will have her re-capped and figure out what is causing the fault 20 minutes into it working.
Z Reviews Best of luck to you on the repair, I would love a comparison between it and the phase linear, though I could imagine the latter being better.
Z can you do like a monthly/quarterly/yearly setup overview? Or whenever it's in a state to be shown, like after a major change.
Was considering buying the Klipsch RP-402S . Thanks for clearing this up. I love your approach. It's so me.
I was thinking to flip the Klipsch's sideways with a arm. 1 side to sitting position the other bounce of the wall. Now I wonder how it would perform wall hug up firing and the other wall side ???
i've been trying to figure out what to do with Rears and this video was extremely helpful.
4:50 When I was watching Stranger Things recently on 5.1, with two normal rear speakers, there was a clear directional scream from the monster that came from the rear right speaker... and it frightened the living sh*t out of me! I'm not sure if it would have had the same effect of it came from a bidirectional speaker..
I seriously thought the fu*ker was right there behind me like..
This is so good and makes so much sense.
Really nice video, didn't think I would stay through the whole video. Should you place the speakers behind you on the floor aswell? Or is it better to have them higher up or like you in the ceiling?
It is free to try. Just hard for me to move mine or run more cables.
Is what you found pretty much what Amar Bose was preaching back in the 70's with his direct/ radiating speaker designs.
Bounce the sound off of your walls and ceilings.
Seems like magnepan styled speakers would work well in the back. You can just strap a wall of wall mount flat speakers across the back.
You amaze me all the time Z , this a crazy idea ,,
i have surround Tower speakers but i am very tempted to serial wire a top facing book-shelves over them =)
DO IT..
As far As front channel speakers this guy has a knowledge of decent audio quality. When it comes to real audio surround he has no clue! He is a headphone expert. Not a audiophile expert.
Curtis C,
are you saying "Z" is no audio expert?
What's your basis?
Curtis C,
i don't agree with you , maybe he doesn't have a degree in acoustic , i don't know , but he is exposed to a lot of speakers then a lot of other supposedly experts .. and that is an experience not to be underestimated ,
beside that from his long history , i vouch for his good taste in sound.
Atmos spec allows full-range signals to all speakers, even surrounds. Recommend speakers with a -3dB point no higher than 75Hz so it can handle 80Hz with ease, then cross to subs.
my first stereo i had my rears on the ground behind my couch firing upwards and it gave the best experience i have ever had doors would open in the movie and i would have a look behind me cause i thought someone had opened my door.
Good video, however i find that putting a speaker against the wall to create a reverb effect only really works in rooms that aren't sound treated or in a somewhat larger space such as yours
Build the room with 45° corners of about 3 ft and place the speaker flat. That would be amazing I bet.
I like this guy. He knows wtf he's talking about.
I have 4 micca club 3’s firing up behind the couch sounds good
in 5 channel stereo matching speakers would be awesome though.. plus
it looks cool :-D
I've found atmos speakers with the overheads have really helped with what you are talking about, thoughts about it?
If you look at any atmos / DTS / Auro 3D setup they recommend direct radiating speakers and not bi-pole stuff which was better for old school THX non-discrete setups. Long discussions on forums about these.
Wow the sound is great bro better than movie theater sound system
Zeos, you just discovered ground placement ceiling speakers without have to break open the ceiling!
hello
just stumbled upon your video. great information. was wondering, i have a small room, 13x16 with wall in back, can i use the mini covo-s speakers as surrounds, pointing them up as you say (whether on a stand or on the floor) to get that great surround sound? this will be set up in a bedroom (dimensions from before)..so would that be enough sound?
thank you
I wanted to try using DML speakers since they are flat panel speakers that create omnidirectional sound and you can disguise them as artwork, but it has problems reaching lower frequencies. Maybe the bigger panels will reach lower frequencies. I'll try one of these days. The drivers are literally $30 and you just buy a 2x4 insulation board.
Damn, that is impressive. Even though I don't have a surround setup right now, it seems very doable with this method. What is that orange speaker? I'm not finding it in the description. Awesome video btw.
Edit: I found it once I heard you mention it: Kanto BEN
Wish I could do this. Have my couch set up so it's basically dividing the room to the kitchen so no wall to put rears against. :(
Had Cambridge Audio SX50, disabled ground and now the sound is EVERYWHERE AROUND YOU.
great idea
What do you do with the speaker calibration software like audissey when placing the speakers in that position? Do you run it again? Or not at all?
Have you tried taking the fluance style speakers and flipping them 90deg so they do the same thing or does the angle direct the soundwaves away from the wall too much? I think if you put it near the ceiling it will bounce off the wall the same way?
I have one side wall thats 15 ft then the ceiling slops down to the other side which ends at 8 ft high. That probably wouldn't work for me but I'll try it cuz its free
Do it. See what does and doesn't work.
i tried this with svs satellite speakers, it does not work , the sound still pinpoint on the rear , it that because they are only 4inch driver ? or only coaxial speaker are recommended for this setup ?
I bought myself a used set of Kanto Bens (in orange) to replace my Anthony Gallo Nucleus rear channels (blew one and the buzzing is driving me crazy). Anyway, can you recommend some ceiling speaker mounts? And or should mount them low and fire them upwards? I have better path lengths if I mount them high and fire them downward. Thanks!
I'll try it tomorrow but would this work with my wharfedale diamond 220? do you recommend putting the db to max in this case?
Most of the old original better 1980s -1990s Dolby movie theater setups had the surrounds up pretty high on the ceiling and back balcony walls, whatever. I dunno about the latest Atmos setups.
I saw the premiere presser of Jurassic Park the original, at the Ziegfield, and they had some beautiful speaker setup there. It sounded just phenomenal. I wish you would do a video
on the benefit (if any!) of the home theater receiver self-sound-calibration systems. If they do more harm than good, or even do anything?
Really wondering if you could use small cheap atmos speakers for this. Just pointing them toward the wall instead of the middle of the room.
I was thinking the same, did you try it?
Would this method of laying the speakers flat on the floor or a stand pointing up also work if I were to position them in a corner, behind the couch? So it would fire against to walls like in a right angle.
Would like to use them as rear speakers in a 4.0 setup.
Epic Video. It's whitepaper. I also love the Sub. How is it so tight? I have an SVS pb1000, its a beast, but it doesn't sound as tight as yours. Any suggestions?
Really great stuff Z! I am forced to do this for the rear 7.1 channels in my apartment and works a charm. Have you tried to match your back channels with the same configuration? 🤔
Please please try the lsr305's in this position and report how good it works having that amazing holographic wave guide? 👏👏👏
Pretty sure the waveguide would not matter much in this config. And my lack of a rear wall for the most part prevents this.
Z Reviews wouldn't its reflections bounce of a larger part of the wall and roof? 🤔
there is bass information in the surrounds because back when i had a sony speaker setup with the SSB3000 large bookshelf speakers with 8 inch woofers, and a sony center from the previous lineup because it had the better ceramic tweeter I had small satellites for the rears, then I had found a pair of sony SS-440 towers. And tried to use them with the rear satellites, because i planned on selling the ssb3000
i tried the ssb3000 and everything was fuller especially on 5 channel stereo and movies that were based upon music and loud gunfire.
I feel like I’m gushing about ohms far too much. Bummed that the mini don’t do it for ya. However, I’m thinking of sticking some old Ohm Walsh 1’s as surrounds. What if I turn them towards the back corners of the room?
"...the only thing you know is that people are DYING."
Fucking love this man.