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Anybody who is willing to challenge their own previous opinions based on new information is right by me. I really appreciate you guys revisiting old reviews and helping us understand new things in the process. Right on you two
Heresy's are just absolutely amazing! Yeah, they are certainly not a "neutral" speaker. But, my God, they are the most fun speakers I've ever had! Glad to see you got them dialed in. Also, glad to see you guys have gotten things set up in the new space. Stay well, you two!
I really appreciate your videos, most especially this one. I, too have recently moved house and although I knew about the room impact on SQ, I only got to experience it first hand recently. It was so obvious. Moving into a larger living space required a lot more work to dial in the sound to my taste. It’s the thing we love, so we do it. Thanks!
The room is the most significant component of your sound. Full Stop! Your experience in setting up systems goes a long way to trying to get the sound that you want, and how much effort you put into it makes all the difference. Being able to do anything you want with the room to change your sound is a blessing.... But there are a lot of people who can't do much about the room.
Agree on all accounts, which is why in our latest room I knew we had to treat it, but wanted to do as little as possible to make it right. In our old room, we stuck with what I felt was a better facsimile of what everyday consumers would face. While I know that ticked-off many in the hifi community (especially folks in the press and on UA-cam) but I felt it made our content MORE relatable, because, as you said, not everyone can treat their room.
Andrew, enjoy your vlogs. Not only are they educational but informative as well. But, could you please explain what you mean when you say, “the sound is or is not forward or neutral.” Thanks, Chris
Hands down to both of you Mr. & Mrs. Robinson, this video is what I have been waiting for. Where you experience different outcome from the same source and you made a review about it. Great video, great job, and God speed! I experienced a great deal of change when moving my Sony HT-A9 from my bedroom to my living room. It suddenly felt not as full and immersive as before even though paired with their CS9 sub (most likely due to the change of space volume which almost tripled in size when moved to my living room), so back to the bedroom it went and I am still looking for a Dolby Atmos solution for my living room. Any suggestions perhaps (my living room is 5m(w) x 8m(l) x 4.5m(h))?
I'm pretty confident that it's your ceiling height. I wouldn't go over 9-10 feet with the A9, and at 4.5m that's over 14 feet. Also, I'm not aware of the ability to pair any sub to the A9 other than the SW3 (which we don't recommend with this system) and the SW5 (a must).
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I paired the sub by connecting it to a DIY bluetooth receiver and made it recognized as a SW3. (I do like to tweak n hack electronics to make sure I can use them fulfill my needs) So do you have any recommendations of some Dolby Atmos speakers for my living room?
Humble request: could you do a video on linearity, frequency response, bass definition, treble harshness, warm vs cold vs forward vs neutral sound? These terms have been popping up more frequently in your videos, and I kinda get what you’re saying, but don’t have the technical background. Would LOVE if you could make a beginners video on this aspect of the hobby.
The room is everything! I bought LS50's and thought they were absolute garbage until I treated my room. The change in sound signature was immense after adding carpet, heavy curtains, and GIK Acoustic panels to my room. I thought I had to upgrade to a more expensive speaker to get the sound I wanted, when in reality it was my room that needed an "upgrade".
The majority I'd say 80% of it, is getting your speakers and room to play well together. Once you have that; a good source, amp and preamp will cover the other 20%.
Love this video for two reasons: the new transition music is sweet! Second, I really like that you all are talking more about room influence on the acoustics and making a video comparing a few speakers in your former space and the new space. Great concept for a video and the new room is sharp as hell by the way!
If Andrew and Kristi broke in the B&W 606 S2 AE, I believe their opinion of the speaker would change. I have owned these speakers for almost a year and absolutely love them. Yes, I have to agree that they are very sensitive to what room you place them in and what amp you pair them with. If you get the right combination, they sound amazing!
The room makes all the difference. My buddies and I host a monthly vinyl night at a local brewery. The first time we did it I brought the equipment from my home listening room (e.g., AB amp with no tone controls, horn-loaded full-range loudspeakers, etc.). The concrete floors, open rafter ceiling, and tile walls at the brewery caused my system to sound terrible. Now when we host vinyl night we bring old class D amps, bookshelf speakers, and a subwoofer. We're able to tailor the sound to the room much better, and I don't have to dismantle my listening room once a month :-).
After auditioning both the KLH 5's and Wharfedale Lintons, I was surprised to find some cymbals missing on a jazz cut from the Wharfedale. The cymbals were barely struck but audible on the KLH but not so on the Wharfedale. It was ever so slight in sound on the recording but that missing detail on the Linton prompted me to be won over by the 5's. Good review as always.
I think the KLH Model 5s are very special. I understand your recommendation of the Linton's took into consideration that the Linton's are less alive, especially at low volumes. I do a lot of late-night listening, and for me, the revealing nature of the speaker means it takes less volume to hear the detail. If I do turn it up, it is definitely revealing and an enjoyable experience. I am sure the Model 7 will be better, but it costs lots more. I understood your reasoning then, and your follow-up review also didn't seem happy about them. It was like you begrudgingly had to say, good speakers. What I love is how they reveal the music and the performance.
Great concept love this type of content! I think an initial review / impressions vs long term revision are always helpful. I’ve always been impressed with speakers like B&W after initial demos but when I actually spend time with them the spicy tweets can get old quickly. Perceived initial resolution quickly fades to hey look at me type of treble presentation. At least for my preferences.
I agree, but for many it's easier to trade for a different speaker that works for the room than change the room itself. If you like hardwood floors you're likely not going to get speakers that require carpet or a massive rug to cover the floor.
@@BryanRuby Totally agree. There are plenty of speakers out there to chose from if hifi tweaking isn't your thing. That said, I 100% also agree with Louis.
Would you guys consider shooting a tutorial of using REW to measure the room response? I think it would be great and allow many to understand what their room sounds like. I have almost the exact same room layout as you guys have, man that big open space to the right of the room is a challenge! I DIYed a room divider to help out
@@KristiWright how about reviewing the NAD C658 Dac/preamp. As far as I know is the only streamer/Dac/preamp that is made for stereo but also includes Dirac live room correction built in. More user friendly room correction than using REW. Just a suggestion...
I value your opinion Andrew and Kristi's. Glad you added the room treatment. Now Danny and GR-Research may give you a pair of his speakers to try......maybe the NX-Otica.....lol.
Love your content! I have a question about bass? 20 or so years ago, I went to the home of a friends grandparents. We were hanging out and she suggested we play some music and she walked me over to the stereo. It looked like a nice system, but I didn’t really think much of it. I played Modest Mouse’s “Good News for People Who Love Bad News”. I was floored. Everything sounded better. The bass was especially articulate - to the point that I felt like I was back in high school band listening to the instructor play electric bass. I had heard the album countless times through my Advent As2 towers and 15”Cerwin Vega sub. I’ve since built a better system, but I have never heard speakers do what that system 20 years ago did. I’ve spent time in hi-fi stores listening to speakers and systems that cost more than my house. These 6 figure systems still weren’t doing what I remembered. What am I doing wrong with this? Is it that hard to get accurate and live sounding bass guitar? For the life of me, I can’t remember what those speakers were. I’ve played that same album in demos and it’s just not the same.
The B&W people are getting older and probably are losing their high frequency hearing and also now made in China. They may be raising the highs to fix their hearing and possibly to go with asian music now. Im glad i bought the original 606 and not the mk2 or mk3, because it seems like they made a more V-shaped eq curve with them. My room is DEAD! So my system works well in my room.
Omg. I just got up and was ruminating about how lately I am struggling with getting my speakers to sound good in my room. And I swear I thought of you guys in the new place and if you are having the same struggle and I see this. Ha No I’m no clairvoyant. But it was funny to see this vid as soon as I opened UA-cam. I have a pair of Proac DT8 floorstanders and in my room which is 12’ length by 17 width ( I have to set the up on the long wall) . I am having trouble getting my speakers more that 6.5 feet apart from each other without loosing volume from the phantom center. My sitting place is around 8 feet away. The front wall is 2/3 into the room so the left speaker doesn’t really have a wall behind it. Do you think the reason my center image falls apart a bit is my room? Pardon for the long winded response. PS Also tell Kristi that Floyd Toole said in his book that we get used to our rooms after awhile , so both of your ‘ears’ will adjust to the new rooms sound. 😊
I'd be curious how the Magnat Transpuls 1500 may differ in sound in the new room as they seemed to have a good bang for the buck. However, given their size and mass, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make the journey (and it appears as if they are now out of stock on Magnat's website). Definitely an interesting perspective! I think the worst (most memorable?) experience I had in shifting spaces was deejayin at a venue and on one song hearing the bass vanish! After additional research later, I determined that the tune had been mixed in such a way with little to no low end reverb, and presumably the speakers at the venue had been wired out of phase, and thus the baseline phase cancelled itself (or so I was able to postulate with another musician friend of mine and some plugins to simulate such conditions). Albeit, they weren't my own speakers, but deejays are often at the whims of a venue to "get things right" though I added some tools to my belt should I encounter such a situation again and will hopefully be able to at least minorly mitigate, if not fully correct such room deficiencies.
Any opinion on the Eltax Monitor PWR 1959? Enthusiast "nicoastyle hifiman" has posted several different "battles", etc., about them (en français, sorry, english captions not available I don't think), often alongside the Magnats, but I'm searching for other perspectives as well, especially regarding soundstage & imaging. No in-store listening nearby... Merci!
You should recheck the Sony SSCS5. Based on how they sound in my room, I was really shocked about your review. I wonder if you would notice a difference in your new space.
Thanks for this video, Andrew and Kristi. I discovered you the day after I ordered a pair of the B&W 607s from Crutchfield. Kristi, what you had to say about your experience listening to Alanis Morissette on them was almost word for word my experience listening to Linda Ronstadt (among others) on the Matrix 805s when I bought them 25 years ago. So I canceled my order, and I am very glad I did. I thank you. I ended up with a pair of the current Paradigm Atoms. I owned a pair of the v.2 from 2000 to 2016, and I enjoyed them. I only sold them because I’d bought a B&W Z2 wireless speaker around 2010, the sound of which gave me the best listening experience of my life. (Early in the oughts, I acquired tinnitus, and nearfield became my only enjoyable listening experience.) I also have a pair of B&W MM1s hooked up to my laptop, and that’s a good listening experience, too. The Z2 and my modem/router dropped the connection so often, I wouldn’t turn it on after a point, and I ended up selling it, too. And I’ve been thinking about a replacement for some time. So when B&W had a 15% off sale this month, I ordered a pair of 607s, my experiences at the lower end of their range having been so positive, sonically speaking. But when you said what you said, Kristi, it went straight to my heart, my brain, my ears. Non posso farlo un’altra volta. I couldn’t do it again! And when what you both had to say today in your re-review didn’t change that much, I felt heartened I’d chosen the Atoms-which seem to have doubled in size-instead. They may not be the last word in detail, but with them, I am listening to the music, not the speakers. Thanks again.
I’m not a audiophile but love my music after watching many reviews and many of yours I purchased nr1200 and monitor silver 100 and love the whole set up. Easy punchy fun and the louder it goes the better it sounds. Love not beating myself up about is there something better all the time. Thank you for your reviews
I hope that you do this for the amps that you reviewed, particularly the NAD M33. However good on you for doing this, it just continues to speak to your high integrity. Great work.
Thank you! I've been wondering/hoping you would revisit previously reviewed speakers in your new place. Outstanding as always and keep up the great work.
It took time, but we weren't nervous to hit publish. These things are what they are. There is no shame in changing one's mind or in being wrong. If I'm wrong, I admit it and do what I can to correct it. As a commentator of anything, it's important that we don't believe our word or opinion is gospel. Thanks so much for watching!
hey Andrew. Don't you consider reviewing all the speakers you guys did all the past years? since your new space... hahaha! just a joke. Thanks buddy i have learned a lot from you channel. keep up good work. Peace out!!
Pretty fantastic video. Very interesting. Sounds like the KLH fared the best. However you came about knowing the way to treat the room I think it must sound good, but definitely looks awesome. As time goes by I’d be curious if Maggie’s bounce of the wall in a good way. In any event, I love the comparisons.
Andrew and Kristy. You have my respect for posting on this subject and being ready to challenge your conclusions now that you've completed the new listening space. Being ready to say I got it wrong/or right, publicly in a balanced manner requires guts, although I would possibly post the changes that have been noticed as you've done. I simply couldn't do this because my audio memory is not good enough. Keep on keeping on both, I love your posts.
Would it be possible to show the measurements that you have taken for a speaker you are evaluating? For Example, it would probably be much easier to see, as you said, that the KLH model 5 measured flat and the B&W very much did not.
Andrew I really appreciate you going back to test your old opinions. You’re absolutely right, the room is the biggest change for a speaker. So much respect for you going back and checking yourself!! You are one of the most honest reviewers I know. I would love to see a Polk L600 review from you in your new space, as I have owned a lot of different speakers and these blow me away with an Emotiva amp, no matter what room I try them in. Yes they are definitely power hungry and a high end (or $1500 sweet spot) receiver does not bring these speakers fully to life. Or even the Polk R700’s in this new space. I have owned KEF, wharfedale, Klipsch, and now I’m hooked on the Polk’s solid performance and build quality all around (L600😉) And yes I have owned older Polk’s as well, including the previous legendary series. I agree that the large legendary towers are complete overkill for a normal living room. Maybe they would be cool in a home movie theater? Not for me.
New space ,new variable people tend to forget that speakers play the room . In all reality there are no real bad speakers anymore (within said price classes we dabble with) it's more a matter of , does it fit the room , acoustics , size , what not. I am sure Andrew is aware of it too, it's just another video on the list of many
I love your videos. I don’t just watch and listen to them, I study them. Always anxious for a new one to come out. I wouldn’t dare buy a piece of equipment or a speaker until you review it. And I absolutely love the wood slats on the wall. Dual purpose concept. Well done.
With real estate and speaker placement, it’s location, location, location. I’m about to move from one apartment to another and will go through this experimentation again soon. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Agree on that. A Cornwall 4 review would be awesome. Also compared to the Heresy 4 and Forte 4.. And even better (because no one has done this video) Cornwall 3 vs Cornwall 4. This is high on my "wishlist"
I bought lumina V from your review. I always feel something is off. I tweak this and there like change cables and but acoustic panel and qrd. It gets better. And last week i bought klipsch r820f. However despise which one better. I am more enjoying listen to klipsch with very loud volume 😅
This is so true. I think explains why when some people buy new speakers after living with a different pair for years and years are disappointed by their new purchase.
@@KristiWright I just got to experience that first hand myself. I just upgraded from Klipsch gen 1 RF-7's to Cornwall IV's and while the Cornwalls should have blown away the RF-7's in every regard, my initial reaction was "did I make a mistake?" But after some listening, I can hear what the Cornwalls are delivering that was missing in the RF-7's. How much of that is speaker break-in or brain break-in is anyone's guess.
@@KristiWright That explains break-in, it takes time to reeducate your ears. I have a friend who brought Kanta two's and I helped him set them up, he heard brightness and I heard some of the best sounding speakers ever. A month later I paid a visit and he told me they were broken in and sounder great, they sounded the same to me.
My wife and I moved two years ago. I own the Micca RB42's and Yamaha A-S301 integrated. The attack in the kick drum lost some energy in the new place but the overall character is exactly the same. God, I just love the way this system sounds in my room. My wife feels the same way. She is surely becoming an audiophile. Great job as usual.
I would like to try out the new Monitor Audio Silver 100 7g speakers, they have 8in bass drivers be good for impact with movies & music. Monitor Audio usually good with detail too. Good pairing would be with Arcam, which is my favourite best sounding audio equipment
No surprise...different room, different results. Is different better? It's all in the eye of the beholder. Ask 10 audiophiles, the same question, get 3 - 4 different answers. Too much system listening vs. music listening IMO. It never ends for some. Nonetheless, thanks for all you guys do.
Definitely how your room set up makes a massive change to sound. I recently had new flooring in my room my stereo system is, removing carpet. Now the sound bounces around the room
The model 5 may owe its consistancy, to the fact that regardless of the room its in, its disconnected from room influence. The frame design of the stand essentially leaves the speaker hovering in air. It being accoustic suspension would have a similar effect. The B&W hit me as odd too. The various frequencies affected, makes it seem like a crossover issue, to me. Say a bad run of coils or capacitors used in that model of speaker? You mentioned cutting everything below a certain frequency, which would fix half the issue. It could also be something as simple as the soldering technique used in that model, since it was 2 different pairs of the same model?
Alas, is there then, no such thing as a 'perfect' product reviewer?! Oh fie. You did get the M8xi and the 936 K2 absolutely correct though, and I think, many others!!! Thanks for your help, in guiding my purchases.
I don't know if its been mentioned, but your voice sounded much better in the old house. Even after your room treatments it is boomy and harder to listen to now (no offense meant, just want you to know). I've watched and listened on different divices and systems now, but it's still an issue for me.
Love my MA Silvers. Although I'm far from an audiophile and only have experience with half a dozen speakers to compare them with. They sounded the best to me in the Audio showroom store I bought them from and they were a British company so that sold me, as easier for warranty and parts.
Room and placement. I'm still learning, but this has been my mantra. My room is very live and untreated right now. I know it needs some help, but I already know that I don't want to kill the reverb completely. I am losing some detail now and have some room modes, but the sound is still great. Looking forward to some delicately placed diffusion and absorption to dial in further. And a nice thick rug to tie the room together. Lol
A Klipsch surprise? Hmm...Getting yourself your very own pair of LaScala, maybe?...or a set of new Jubilee to review? Rent across the country's shot up down here in Australia so I've settled on just upgrading the headphone/DAC/amp setup for now and the full system's on the back burner, but would love a short re-review of the Magnats in your new space.
Not trying to beat them up, but Kristi was right in knowing the question many of you would ask. So asked and once again answered, I guess. Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for making this video! The behavior of a room is something that your brain can easily just 'adapt' to, which prevents most people from even believing that any room could make a speaker sound different. It's also worth noting that almost all of your impressions IMROVED with the move, which is another convincing argument for proper room acoustics across the board.
Nice review. I was looking forward to hear what you thought about the Forte IVs in the bigger room. Looking forward to hear about the Cornwall IVs or the Klipschorns. If the Cornwall I will be very curious how it compares to the Fortes. I've been in Hong Kong for 16 years and not many Klipsch are available here. But when moving back to the States I want to have a baseline of which models to listen to when I do. Thanks.
Man I'm in the tough position of choosing the monitor silver 500's and 100's or sonus fabel lumina 5. Are the silvers really that good? Wanting more detailed midrange
Hi Andrew and Kristi, I have the Heresy IVs and I acknowledge all of your comments as truth. The one aspect I don't recall you mentioning but something that does influence their sonic character, is the humidity level. We moved from a moderately humid location to a lower than average location and the sound was definitely influenced by the same. As such, I notice on rainy days that the entire spectrum is much more present, full, and warmer, while on low humidity days much less so across the board. Not to say the sound is unbecoming on low humidity days...quite the contrary. It's just that the large swings in humidity from low to high to low again is much more palpable living in a semi-arid clime than when I was not. Based upon the hints you've provided, I assume you now live in a similarly lower than average humidity location. Would be interesting for you to compare and contrast between the two extremes (normal lower humidity compared to rainy day hunidity) to see if you agree. As a revealing speaker. the Heresy IVs certainly reveal these differences as effortlessly as they do poorly recorded music relative to well recorded music. Love the new room!
Room makes a huge difference. I lived with Snell E-II's for quite a while...until my room became dead (heavy drapes...bigger furniture). I went Klipsch Heresy then Cornwall. However I happened on some Infinity Overture 1's and my spouse said that they could compete with the Corns. I made it my business to get a good pair of P-FR's...those infinities fit the room...all of them.
Me at 5.26: "the best? What happened to the Lintons? Sure he''ll get to that". At 10.26: "What do you mean conclusion, where's the Lintons?! Let's hear 'em out though". At 16.35: "Damn right we would ask, well done Kristi, I like the way you think!" 23.54: 😐
Used to have a pair of LS35As and they sounded good in my basement room. One day I played them in my double garage with an open peaked ceiling. A lot of cubicle yards. It sounded like different speakers, more like the music was happening in real space and all the different sounds had a more natural weight. Just wish I could make my stereo room work that well.
Thanks for this review. I am considering the sonus faber lumina 2’s and so your additions to your original comments were helpful, and I respect you all the more for that. Btw, your new room looks a picture and you both should be very proud of yourselves!
Loved the “re-review” off all those speakers. Awesome review, and I love the Chris comments, nice to have an other point of view. And one interesting thing is how room change the final result, and how some speakers interact more than others. I guess the cabinet front baffle play a big rule on that interaction.
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Did you move to Nashville?
@@martinvegas1327 Nope.
@@martinvegas1327 I used to live in Nashville (some years ago).
@@zachariahadams I miss conversation pits.
Did I tell you guys (Rob and Kris) that I love ya and you are *My Favorite Couples Audiophiliacs Critics* & _I can't wait till RICKY and DAVID become parts of the show._
.... I'm kidding and using a very very very old t.v. show for effect, "Ozzie and Harriet Show"
Anybody who is willing to challenge their own previous opinions based on new information is right by me. I really appreciate you guys revisiting old reviews and helping us understand new things in the process. Right on you two
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Heresy's are just absolutely amazing! Yeah, they are certainly not a "neutral" speaker. But, my God, they are the most fun speakers I've ever had! Glad to see you got them dialed in. Also, glad to see you guys have gotten things set up in the new space. Stay well, you two!
I really appreciate your videos, most especially this one. I, too have recently moved house and although I knew about the room impact on SQ, I only got to experience it first hand recently. It was so obvious. Moving into a larger living space required a lot more work to dial in the sound to my taste. It’s the thing we love, so we do it. Thanks!
The room is the most significant component of your sound. Full Stop!
Your experience in setting up systems goes a long way to trying to get the sound that you want, and how much effort you put into it makes all the difference. Being able to do anything you want with the room to change your sound is a blessing.... But there are a lot of people who can't do much about the room.
Agree on all accounts, which is why in our latest room I knew we had to treat it, but wanted to do as little as possible to make it right. In our old room, we stuck with what I felt was a better facsimile of what everyday consumers would face. While I know that ticked-off many in the hifi community (especially folks in the press and on UA-cam) but I felt it made our content MORE relatable, because, as you said, not everyone can treat their room.
Andrew, enjoy your vlogs. Not only are they educational but informative as well. But, could you please explain what you mean when you say, “the sound is or is not forward or neutral.”
Thanks, Chris
Big surprise coming? I hope its the new Klipsch Jubilee!
Hands down to both of you Mr. & Mrs. Robinson, this video is what I have been waiting for. Where you experience different outcome from the same source and you made a review about it. Great video, great job, and God speed!
I experienced a great deal of change when moving my Sony HT-A9 from my bedroom to my living room. It suddenly felt not as full and immersive as before even though paired with their CS9 sub (most likely due to the change of space volume which almost tripled in size when moved to my living room), so back to the bedroom it went and I am still looking for a Dolby Atmos solution for my living room. Any suggestions perhaps (my living room is 5m(w) x 8m(l) x 4.5m(h))?
I'm pretty confident that it's your ceiling height. I wouldn't go over 9-10 feet with the A9, and at 4.5m that's over 14 feet. Also, I'm not aware of the ability to pair any sub to the A9 other than the SW3 (which we don't recommend with this system) and the SW5 (a must).
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I paired the sub by connecting it to a DIY bluetooth receiver and made it recognized as a SW3. (I do like to tweak n hack electronics to make sure I can use them fulfill my needs)
So do you have any recommendations of some Dolby Atmos speakers for my living room?
This is a nice new space. Brightnesss is my enemy is my space. Done everything but it's still there. I only listen to instrumental and acoustic genre.
Love that fancy wall. Looks incredible!
Thanks. Did you see our videos outlining how we built it? You can watch them here: ua-cam.com/video/2Tx_8HE1GvY/v-deo.html
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I did - impressive work! If I was a bit more handy, I’d give it a go myself.
I was hoping you kept the Magnat Transpuls but i guess that's not the case.
What about with yours Magnat ?
Was hoping for JBL L100 (4311 Control Monitor) re reviews
Humble request: could you do a video on linearity, frequency response, bass definition, treble harshness, warm vs cold vs forward vs neutral sound? These terms have been popping up more frequently in your videos, and I kinda get what you’re saying, but don’t have the technical background. Would LOVE if you could make a beginners video on this aspect of the hobby.
The room is everything! I bought LS50's and thought they were absolute garbage until I treated my room. The change in sound signature was immense after adding carpet, heavy curtains, and GIK Acoustic panels to my room. I thought I had to upgrade to a more expensive speaker to get the sound I wanted, when in reality it was my room that needed an "upgrade".
The majority I'd say 80% of it, is getting your speakers and room to play well together. Once you have that; a good source, amp and preamp will cover the other 20%.
Absolutely agree
Kristi, welcome to the “all I know is that I know nothing” club. Shout out to Plato.
Pretty much.
Love this video for two reasons: the new transition music is sweet! Second, I really like that you all are talking more about room influence on the acoustics and making a video comparing a few speakers in your former space and the new space. Great concept for a video and the new room is sharp as hell by the way!
Our pleasure!
Just proves the only person that can actually review a speaker is only yourself.🤔🤫🙄 I'm sure Klipsch horns are on their way.🤓
🤗👍 ANDREW AND KRISTI…I JUST HAVE TO SAY THE NEW ROOM LOOKS 🤩🤩 FANTASTIC
If Andrew and Kristi broke in the B&W 606 S2 AE, I believe their opinion of the speaker would change. I have owned these speakers for almost a year and absolutely love them. Yes, I have to agree that they are very sensitive to what room you place them in and what amp you pair them with. If you get the right combination, they sound amazing!
The room makes all the difference. My buddies and I host a monthly vinyl night at a local brewery. The first time we did it I brought the equipment from my home listening room (e.g., AB amp with no tone controls, horn-loaded full-range loudspeakers, etc.). The concrete floors, open rafter ceiling, and tile walls at the brewery caused my system to sound terrible. Now when we host vinyl night we bring old class D amps, bookshelf speakers, and a subwoofer. We're able to tailor the sound to the room much better, and I don't have to dismantle my listening room once a month :-).
After auditioning both the KLH 5's and Wharfedale Lintons, I was surprised to find some cymbals missing on a jazz cut from the Wharfedale. The cymbals were barely struck but audible on the KLH but not so on the Wharfedale. It was ever so slight in sound on the recording but that missing detail on the Linton prompted me to be won over by the 5's. Good review as always.
I think the KLH Model 5s are very special. I understand your recommendation of the Linton's took into consideration that the Linton's are less alive, especially at low volumes. I do a lot of late-night listening, and for me, the revealing nature of the speaker means it takes less volume to hear the detail. If I do turn it up, it is definitely revealing and an enjoyable experience. I am sure the Model 7 will be better, but it costs lots more. I understood your reasoning then, and your follow-up review also didn't seem happy about them. It was like you begrudgingly had to say, good speakers. What I love is how they reveal the music and the performance.
Great concept love this type of content! I think an initial review / impressions vs long term revision are always helpful. I’ve always been impressed with speakers like B&W after initial demos but when I actually spend time with them the spicy tweets can get old quickly. Perceived initial resolution quickly fades to hey look at me type of treble presentation. At least for my preferences.
I wonder how many people traded in great speakers when the problem was the room 🤔
I agree, but for many it's easier to trade for a different speaker that works for the room than change the room itself. If you like hardwood floors you're likely not going to get speakers that require carpet or a massive rug to cover the floor.
@@BryanRuby Totally agree. There are plenty of speakers out there to chose from if hifi tweaking isn't your thing. That said, I 100% also agree with Louis.
Alot
Would you guys consider shooting a tutorial of using REW to measure the room response? I think it would be great and allow many to understand what their room sounds like.
I have almost the exact same room layout as you guys have, man that big open space to the right of the room is a challenge!
I DIYed a room divider to help out
Andrew has plans for something like this in the near future.
@@KristiWright how about reviewing the NAD C658 Dac/preamp. As far as I know is the only streamer/Dac/preamp that is made for stereo but also includes Dirac live room correction built in. More user friendly room correction than using REW. Just a suggestion...
I value your opinion Andrew and Kristi's. Glad you added the room treatment. Now Danny and GR-Research may give you a pair of his speakers to try......maybe the NX-Otica.....lol.
Love your content!
I have a question about bass?
20 or so years ago, I went to the home of a friends grandparents.
We were hanging out and she suggested we play some music and she walked me over to the stereo. It looked like a nice system, but I didn’t really think much of it.
I played Modest Mouse’s “Good News for People Who Love Bad News”. I was floored. Everything sounded better. The bass was especially articulate - to the point that I felt like I was back in high school band listening to the instructor play electric bass.
I had heard the album countless times through my Advent As2 towers and 15”Cerwin Vega sub.
I’ve since built a better system, but I have never heard speakers do what that system 20 years ago did. I’ve spent time in hi-fi stores listening to speakers and systems that cost more than my house. These 6 figure systems still weren’t doing what I remembered.
What am I doing wrong with this? Is it that hard to get accurate and live sounding bass guitar? For the life of me, I can’t remember what those speakers were.
I’ve played that same album in demos and it’s just not the same.
The B&W people are getting older and probably are losing their high frequency hearing and also now made in China.
They may be raising the highs to fix their hearing and possibly to go with asian music now.
Im glad i bought the original 606 and not the mk2 or mk3, because it seems like they made a more V-shaped eq curve with them.
My room is DEAD! So my system works well in my room.
Omg. I just got up and was ruminating about how lately I am struggling with getting my speakers to sound good in my room. And I swear I thought of you guys in the new place and if you are having the same struggle and I see this. Ha
No I’m no clairvoyant.
But it was funny to see this vid as soon as I opened UA-cam.
I have a pair of Proac DT8 floorstanders and in my room which is 12’ length by 17 width ( I have to set the up on the long wall) . I am having trouble getting my speakers more that 6.5 feet apart from each other without loosing volume from the phantom center. My sitting place is around 8 feet away.
The front wall is 2/3 into the room so the left speaker doesn’t really have a wall behind it.
Do you think the reason my center image falls apart a bit is my room?
Pardon for the long winded response.
PS Also tell Kristi that Floyd Toole said in his book that we get used to our rooms after awhile , so both of your ‘ears’ will adjust to the new rooms sound. 😊
I'd be curious how the Magnat Transpuls 1500 may differ in sound in the new room as they seemed to have a good bang for the buck. However, given their size and mass, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make the journey (and it appears as if they are now out of stock on Magnat's website). Definitely an interesting perspective! I think the worst (most memorable?) experience I had in shifting spaces was deejayin at a venue and on one song hearing the bass vanish! After additional research later, I determined that the tune had been mixed in such a way with little to no low end reverb, and presumably the speakers at the venue had been wired out of phase, and thus the baseline phase cancelled itself (or so I was able to postulate with another musician friend of mine and some plugins to simulate such conditions). Albeit, they weren't my own speakers, but deejays are often at the whims of a venue to "get things right" though I added some tools to my belt should I encounter such a situation again and will hopefully be able to at least minorly mitigate, if not fully correct such room deficiencies.
I wish we had kept them to be able to answer that question for you. It is highly unlikely we'll ever get them back.
Any opinion on the Eltax Monitor PWR 1959? Enthusiast "nicoastyle hifiman" has posted several different "battles", etc., about them (en français, sorry, english captions not available I don't think), often alongside the Magnats, but I'm searching for other perspectives as well, especially regarding soundstage & imaging. No in-store listening nearby... Merci!
Curious to hear how your Lintons faired in your new space. Have a feeling they might be too big and wooly sounding in my tiny living room.
They did not make the trip. Sadly, they had to be sent back.
Oh darn, was looking forward to the ‘speaker of the year’ re-review.
@@jimmyt8535 Yeah, it's a bummer for sure.
Would've loved to hear about the Magnats again
That room looks stunning. What a drastic change in the new house vs. the previous one. Cheers!
We are really happy with how it turned out. Thank you for tuning in!
Such a good idea for a video!!!
Glad you're liking it so far.
You should recheck the Sony SSCS5. Based on how they sound in my room, I was really shocked about your review. I wonder if you would notice a difference in your new space.
Thanks for this video, Andrew and Kristi. I discovered you the day after I ordered a pair of the B&W 607s from Crutchfield. Kristi, what you had to say about your experience listening to Alanis Morissette on them was almost word for word my experience listening to Linda Ronstadt (among others) on the Matrix 805s when I bought them 25 years ago. So I canceled my order, and I am very glad I did. I thank you.
I ended up with a pair of the current Paradigm Atoms. I owned a pair of the v.2 from 2000 to 2016, and I enjoyed them. I only sold them because I’d bought a B&W Z2 wireless speaker around 2010, the sound of which gave me the best listening experience of my life. (Early in the oughts, I acquired tinnitus, and nearfield became my only enjoyable listening experience.) I also have a pair of B&W MM1s hooked up to my laptop, and that’s a good listening experience, too.
The Z2 and my modem/router dropped the connection so often, I wouldn’t turn it on after a point, and I ended up selling it, too. And I’ve been thinking about a replacement for some time. So when B&W had a 15% off sale this month, I ordered a pair of 607s, my experiences at the lower end of their range having been so positive, sonically speaking.
But when you said what you said, Kristi, it went straight to my heart, my brain, my ears. Non posso farlo un’altra volta. I couldn’t do it again! And when what you both had to say today in your re-review didn’t change that much, I felt heartened I’d chosen the Atoms-which seem to have doubled in size-instead. They may not be the last word in detail, but with them, I am listening to the music, not the speakers.
Thanks again.
Need to get the LaScalas back. Once you hear them in your new space, bet they don't go back...lol
You never know what might make an appearance 😉
I’m not a audiophile but love my music after watching many reviews and many of yours I purchased nr1200 and monitor silver 100 and love the whole set up. Easy punchy fun and the louder it goes the better it sounds. Love not beating myself up about is there something better all the time. Thank you for your reviews
I hope that you do this for the amps that you reviewed, particularly the NAD M33. However good on you for doing this, it just continues to speak to your high integrity. Great work.
There is no right or wrong with speakers they are subjective to taste ,amp selection and room prep ..you were most likely not wrong .
Who cares about the gear when your listening room looks that good!
Thanks, Anton!
Thank you! I've been wondering/hoping you would revisit previously reviewed speakers in your new place. Outstanding as always and keep up the great work.
It must have taken some courage to publish this video. It shows how intellectually honest you both are. Well done.
It took time, but we weren't nervous to hit publish. These things are what they are. There is no shame in changing one's mind or in being wrong. If I'm wrong, I admit it and do what I can to correct it. As a commentator of anything, it's important that we don't believe our word or opinion is gospel. Thanks so much for watching!
hey Andrew. Don't you consider reviewing all the speakers you guys did all the past years? since your new space... hahaha! just a joke. Thanks buddy i have learned a lot from you channel. keep up good work. Peace out!!
10:22 La Scala in the new room? It would be perfect 😇
Pretty fantastic video. Very interesting. Sounds like the KLH fared the best. However you came about knowing the way to treat the room I think it must sound good, but definitely looks awesome. As time goes by I’d be curious if Maggie’s bounce of the wall in a good way. In any event, I love the comparisons.
Andrew and Kristy. You have my respect for posting on this subject and being ready to challenge your conclusions now that you've completed the new listening space. Being ready to say I got it wrong/or right, publicly in a balanced manner requires guts, although I would possibly post the changes that have been noticed as you've done. I simply couldn't do this because my audio memory is not good enough. Keep on keeping on both, I love your posts.
Would it be possible to show the measurements that you have taken for a speaker you are evaluating? For Example, it would probably be much easier to see, as you said, that the KLH model 5 measured flat and the B&W very much did not.
WRONG? No.. Your reviews are always somewhere in the misty middle, to comfort everyone.
Amazingly I’ve spent the last week image searching for silver 100 in light oak and solid steel stands to see how they look. So THANKS !
The people on hear on a blind mission to justify the best equipment they can afford as the best is funny to me.
I’m currently building a home. This re-review has me so excited about purchasing the Model 5s.
Bring back the Magnat 1500s! It looks like you have space for em now. Lol
Ooo.. I'd love me a pair of them bad boys
Andrew I really appreciate you going back to test your old opinions. You’re absolutely right, the room is the biggest change for a speaker. So much respect for you going back and checking yourself!! You are one of the most honest reviewers I know. I would love to see a Polk L600 review from you in your new space, as I have owned a lot of different speakers and these blow me away with an Emotiva amp, no matter what room I try them in. Yes they are definitely power hungry and a high end (or $1500 sweet spot) receiver does not bring these speakers fully to life. Or even the Polk R700’s in this new space. I have owned KEF, wharfedale, Klipsch, and now I’m hooked on the Polk’s solid performance and build quality all around (L600😉) And yes I have owned older Polk’s as well, including the previous legendary series. I agree that the large legendary towers are complete overkill for a normal living room. Maybe they would be cool in a home movie theater? Not for me.
New space ,new variable people tend to forget that speakers play the room .
In all reality there are no real bad speakers anymore (within said price classes we dabble with) it's more a matter of , does it fit the room , acoustics , size , what not.
I am sure Andrew is aware of it too, it's just another video on the list of many
I love this revisiting approach 👏 Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love your videos. I don’t just watch and listen to them, I study them. Always anxious for a new one to come out. I wouldn’t dare buy a piece of equipment or a speaker until you review it. And I absolutely love the wood slats on the wall. Dual purpose concept. Well done.
Wow, thank you!
With real estate and speaker placement, it’s location, location, location. I’m about to move from one apartment to another and will go through this experimentation again soon. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Moving rooms can be the biggest upgrade (or downgrade). Enjoy the ride and thanks for watching!
funny, i was thinking about a week ago ,to suggest revisiting some speakers you had reviewed before , but in the "new" room , way to go !
Hoping for a Cornwall IV review. Great video that leverages your new space with old reviews. Thanks. What a great idea to do this!
Agree on that. A Cornwall 4 review would be awesome. Also compared to the Heresy 4 and Forte 4.. And even better (because no one has done this video) Cornwall 3 vs Cornwall 4. This is high on my "wishlist"
I bought lumina V from your review. I always feel something is off. I tweak this and there like change cables and but acoustic panel and qrd. It gets better. And last week i bought klipsch r820f. However despise which one better. I am more enjoying listen to klipsch with very loud volume 😅
Now i use cxa81 and sf lumina v and klipsch r820f
the smartest idea in ages in The youtube audiophile
community. thanks sr
The room is important but also our brain adjusting to the room. In a way, our brain functions as an organic room correction.
This is so true. I think explains why when some people buy new speakers after living with a different pair for years and years are disappointed by their new purchase.
@@KristiWright I just got to experience that first hand myself. I just upgraded from Klipsch gen 1 RF-7's to Cornwall IV's and while the Cornwalls should have blown away the RF-7's in every regard, my initial reaction was "did I make a mistake?" But after some listening, I can hear what the Cornwalls are delivering that was missing in the RF-7's. How much of that is speaker break-in or brain break-in is anyone's guess.
@@KristiWright That explains break-in, it takes time to reeducate your ears. I have a friend who brought Kanta two's and I helped him set them up, he heard brightness and I heard some of the best sounding speakers ever. A month later I paid a visit and he told me they were broken in and sounder great, they sounded the same to me.
@@Ladco77 I think it's definitely you adjusting to the sound more than anything else.
My wife and I moved two years ago. I own the Micca RB42's and Yamaha A-S301 integrated. The attack in the kick drum lost some energy in the new place but the overall character is exactly the same. God, I just love the way this system sounds in my room. My wife feels the same way. She is surely becoming an audiophile. Great job as usual.
Would be cool to get some secret unannounced products, like Klipsch RF-7 IVs perhaps?
I would like to try out the new Monitor Audio Silver 100 7g speakers, they have 8in bass drivers be good for impact with movies & music.
Monitor Audio usually good with detail too.
Good pairing would be with Arcam, which is my favourite best sounding audio equipment
That whole line is pretty great!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews
Are the Monitor Audio Silver 100 7g speakers hard to drive?
No surprise...different room, different results. Is different better? It's all in the eye of the beholder. Ask 10 audiophiles, the same question, get 3 - 4 different answers. Too much system listening vs. music listening IMO. It never ends for some. Nonetheless, thanks for all you guys do.
Definitely how your room set up makes a massive change to sound. I recently had new flooring in my room my stereo system is, removing carpet. Now the sound bounces around the room
The model 5 may owe its consistancy, to the fact that regardless of the room its in, its disconnected from room influence. The frame design of the stand essentially leaves the speaker hovering in air. It being accoustic suspension would have a similar effect. The B&W hit me as odd too. The various frequencies affected, makes it seem like a crossover issue, to me. Say a bad run of coils or capacitors used in that model of speaker? You mentioned cutting everything below a certain frequency, which would fix half the issue. It could also be something as simple as the soldering technique used in that model, since it was 2 different pairs of the same model?
ATX misses you! Went back and watched some of your old videos and you are volumes (pun intended) better :-)
I appreciate that, Bill!
Kudos for revisiting each of these speakers!
Clearly ear wax removal can also do wonders for improving one's hearing.
It can actually
Alas, is there then, no such thing as a 'perfect' product reviewer?! Oh fie. You did get the M8xi and the 936 K2 absolutely correct though, and I think, many others!!! Thanks for your help, in guiding my purchases.
Yeah, hoping either Klipsch Jubilee or the La Scala AL5.
I don't know if its been mentioned, but your voice sounded much better in the old house. Even after your room treatments it is boomy and harder to listen to now (no offense meant, just want you to know). I've watched and listened on different divices and systems now, but it's still an issue for me.
Yeah I did notice a difference with my headphones, but just a difference that stems from a different room, not for better or worse.
I just love this Video😍😍 I got the luminas based on your review and couldn't be happier. What a beautiful speaker!!!!
Love my MA Silvers. Although I'm far from an audiophile and only have experience with half a dozen speakers to compare them with.
They sounded the best to me in the Audio showroom store I bought them from and they were a British company so that sold me, as easier for warranty and parts.
Room and placement. I'm still learning, but this has been my mantra. My room is very live and untreated right now. I know it needs some help, but I already know that I don't want to kill the reverb completely. I am losing some detail now and have some room modes, but the sound is still great. Looking forward to some delicately placed diffusion and absorption to dial in further.
And a nice thick rug to tie the room together. Lol
@andrew. nice revisit. and heres a request for a future review and your take on it: lyngdorf tdai 1120 with room perfect. please. thanks
Klipschorns soon ? that would be really interesting to watch!
Think bigger 😈
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Jubilee?
@@andrewrobinsonreviews wait... are you guys getting the jubilees ?
A Klipsch surprise? Hmm...Getting yourself your very own pair of LaScala, maybe?...or a set of new Jubilee to review? Rent across the country's shot up down here in Australia so I've settled on just upgrading the headphone/DAC/amp setup for now and the full system's on the back burner, but would love a short re-review of the Magnats in your new space.
Great video. Bowers and Wilkins was looking at this video with anticipation then collectively sighed..d@mn 😞. Lol
Not trying to beat them up, but Kristi was right in knowing the question many of you would ask. So asked and once again answered, I guess. Thanks for watching!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews This is very true. Your criticism is honest and can only help them build a better product.
Be careful Andrew, a conscience is a very dangerous thing!!!
Its been so interesting seeing a comparison between the different room environments!
Thank you so much, Daryl J! We appreciate you watching.
Thank you so much for making this video! The behavior of a room is something that your brain can easily just 'adapt' to, which prevents most people from even believing that any room could make a speaker sound different.
It's also worth noting that almost all of your impressions IMROVED with the move, which is another convincing argument for proper room acoustics across the board.
I would have liked a revisit of the Klipsch 8000F in your new - nice review.
It would have been fun to do that!
Never been this early! love your new house and set up.
Thanks for tuning in this morning!
I’ve been looking at some Monitor Audio 500, but since you owned Tekton Pendragons ( I think you said previously), how do they compare?
Nice review. I was looking forward to hear what you thought about the Forte IVs in the bigger room. Looking forward to hear about the Cornwall IVs or the Klipschorns. If the Cornwall I will be very curious how it compares to the Fortes. I've been in Hong Kong for 16 years and not many Klipsch are available here. But when moving back to the States I want to have a baseline of which models to listen to when I do. Thanks.
Monitor audio sliver bookshelf are the best. No doubt
Man I'm in the tough position of choosing the monitor silver 500's and 100's or sonus fabel lumina 5. Are the silvers really that good? Wanting more detailed midrange
Hi Andrew and Kristi, I have the Heresy IVs and I acknowledge all of your comments as truth. The one aspect I don't recall you mentioning but something that does influence their sonic character, is the humidity level. We moved from a moderately humid location to a lower than average location and the sound was definitely influenced by the same. As such, I notice on rainy days that the entire spectrum is much more present, full, and warmer, while on low humidity days much less so across the board. Not to say the sound is unbecoming on low humidity days...quite the contrary. It's just that the large swings in humidity from low to high to low again is much more palpable living in a semi-arid clime than when I was not. Based upon the hints you've provided, I assume you now live in a similarly lower than average humidity location. Would be interesting for you to compare and contrast between the two extremes (normal lower humidity compared to rainy day hunidity) to see if you agree. As a revealing speaker. the Heresy IVs certainly reveal these differences as effortlessly as they do poorly recorded music relative to well recorded music. Love the new room!
Room makes a huge difference. I lived with Snell E-II's for quite a while...until my room became dead (heavy drapes...bigger furniture). I went Klipsch Heresy then Cornwall. However I happened on some Infinity Overture 1's and my spouse said that they could compete with the Corns. I made it my business to get a good pair of P-FR's...those infinities fit the room...all of them.
Great idea guys by revisiting your old speakers. It's amazing how treating your room makes a world of difference. Great job!!!
Me at 5.26: "the best? What happened to the Lintons? Sure he''ll get to that". At 10.26: "What do you mean conclusion, where's the Lintons?! Let's hear 'em out though". At 16.35: "Damn right we would ask, well done Kristi, I like the way you think!" 23.54: 😐
Apart from that: great video ;-)
We no longer have the Lintons. They went back to the manufacturer after our review.
Neat approach: looking back on your reviews IN your NEW space! Great job. Love the space and I die for those walls.
Used to have a pair of LS35As and they sounded good in my basement room. One day I played them in my double garage with an open peaked ceiling. A lot of cubicle yards. It sounded like different speakers, more like the music was happening in real space and all the different sounds had a more natural weight. Just wish I could make my stereo room work that well.
Thanks for this review. I am considering the sonus faber lumina 2’s and so your additions to your original comments were helpful, and I respect you all the more for that. Btw, your new room looks a picture and you both should be very proud of yourselves!
Let me guess. The Jubilees? 😍😍
No comment.
so with the KLH's now $2500, Is there a better bookshelf at $2500 or less? I want KLH but the style and size may not fit my room
Loved the “re-review” off all those speakers. Awesome review, and I love the Chris comments, nice to have an other point of view. And one interesting thing is how room change the final result, and how some speakers interact more than others. I guess the cabinet front baffle play a big rule on that interaction.