HOW TO STORE AMMUNITION LONG TERM.. VACUUM BAGGING and AMMO CANS..
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2024
- There are lots of considerations to think about when storing ammo or ammunition long term. You want to choose a cool and dry place to store it. One of the most overlooked eliments is what were the conditions when you stored it. The whole idea is to have your long term ammo storage out of sight and out of mind so doing it right from the start is the key.
I go a little further and throw a 5 gram desiccant pack in with the ammo before I vacuum pack it with my Food Saver. I also double vacuum bag the ammo, and then it goes in an ammo can with a 10 gram desiccant pack. I have ammo that is 5 years old that is in pristine condition. With the desiccant packs you don't need to worry about how humid the air is or have to stick the ammo cans in the refrigerator. I have almost 40K rounds of pistol and rifle ammo in long term storage.
I was familiar with vacuum sealing ammo but damned if you did not just teach me something that my grandkids will appreciate .. I had never thought about vacuum sealing the more collectable pistols and revolvers that are already put away and no longer shot. Thank you.
i cant believe i never thought of that before either, i have a colt woodsman that i would love to pass down
one of the best and informative videos I've seen on the subject.
After reading your comment I checked out his page and found that you are correct. So funny, you hit the nail on the head.
Thanks for the video, very good.
Gotta say, you have a neat and organised setup there.
Go to analyticalsurvival. Nex level OCD right there.
I can mindlessly 'like' any OBX video as it's loading knowing it's going to be excellent. I enjoy every single one. Please keep posting.
The annotations show that you rewatched the video and had even more info to give us. Very good and useful video, thank you :)
I think ammunition lasts a very long time no matter what. I think the point was to give folks a piece of mind and perhaps pass ammo down to another generation.
....and that ladies and gentlemen is how you handle a knucklehead with tact, well done sir.
I agree.. It is a little overboard. There is tons of very old millitary surplus ammo being sold on the open market that was packaged and stored properly. There is no doubt ammo is tough and does well on its own. I have alot of ammunition in an open air enviroment but it is important to me to have a stockpile that is out of site and out of mind. I just wanted to share some info on what I know about it.. Your right mylar bags and the machine are not cheap and I respect that...
Been doing just that for a lot of years now. Works great. Also great way to store components for reloading.
Good video thanks.
Nice system. If you're going to go through all that trouble though you might want to consider wearing a nitrile or latex glove so you don't get salts and sweat on the ammo
I think we just got off on the wrong foot. I agree with everything you said. I think part of the reason the military (read military contractors and suppliers) under date products is because they want to be able to replace them. I also have heard about the food on the steam ship. That is very neat! I never thought about the gas mask filters, but I suppose it makes sense. Thanks for the info!
If your going to the trouble of vacuum sealing loose ammo, I would wear gloves. I never realized how much oil was on my hands, until I got an android tablet, even after washing my hands, there is oil on my fingers. If your doing long term storage, it might be good to have everything as clean as possible. Thanks for the videos.
Maybe an option with the humidity is it could be controlled with a portable dehumidifier in a small room. It would take some pre-prep tho like starting the dehumidifier in a small room like a bedroom a few days prior in order to evacuate all the moisture possible. Then seal the cans. I would be concerned with sealing coldness and the possible resulting condensation. Maybe a concern, maybe not an issue? Whats the expense of the mylar bags? Thanks for the vid...
Nice Info OBX. I like ammo cans in that they are easier to stack. But it is always a good time playing with the vacmaster.
DANG, what an arsenal.
Walter Palmer Amen
i always add those silica gel pack you get in beef jerky or new shoes to help with the moisture
Your set up is marvelous
Adding a desiccant pack will reduce humidity after closing can. Will vacuum pressure damage the ammo?
I live in Arizona and store my amo in a gun safe in my air conditioned home I have reloads that are 20 plus years old and very rarely have a misfire usually a primer issue. I’m talking one in 500 rounds I store them in good quality amo cans and I do rotate stock. Love your videos.
Great set up!! I see you love the label maker as much as I do, gotta stay organized when reloading.
Will be glad to have you along for the ride...Cheers..
Great video!!!!
Something that recently occurred to me is that the electronic safe locks are actually a liability. You might want to change them out for manual combination locks. Age, premature failure, emp, they are all enemies to an electronic lock.
Im new to this stuff. Good info. I really like that vacuum sealer. thanks for sharing.
You could vac rifle ammo if you sandwiched the ammo between maybe some builders plastic cut to bag size which is usually 3 to 5 mill. Little more puncture proof. thanks for the info.
The only time you have to worry about keeping primers and powder separate is during shipping. Their compatibility group codes are not compatible, so when shipping, they have to be separated by at least 88 inches. This is to prevent the primer from igniting the powder if for something caused the primer to go off. There is no issue storing them together on the shelf.
The truth is I dont use that method any more. I use nitrogen in my storage outside of vacuum packing. On the ammo cans I try to get good ones and I use a product called TefGel. That would be a great video within itself. I love that stuff. Hope that helped?
Very good informative video ! I subbed. I also have bulk ammo that I want to preserve, but never thought about vacuum packing. Thank You !
Thanks for posting this, I like the trick with the fridge and the ammo can
That is what I was thinking. Thanks for the response.
Great info, I know a guy who buries ammo & weapons in hand made PVC tube vaults.
I dont want to bust on foodsaver they are great machines for the price but the bags are expensive. A chamber vacuum sealer works totally differant. They will pull a complete vacuum for a set time that will boil out moisture the same way its done with heating and air evacuations. I realize they are not cheap but if you do enough vacuum bagging food etc you can pay for the machine in bag savings alone...Mine is a VACMASTER..
what make and model is your vacuum sealer. obviously not your ordinary Wal-Mart product. I like it.
+speedenforcer10 "OBXSOLWIND" stated that the brand is called "Vacmaster." His particular model is no longer made or available. If you want to, you can try "eBay," but I wouldn't be comfortable buying it second hand.
Wow. You have information on a few things I hadn't considered. Thank you!
Have you ever tried disposable hand warmers in your cans? Im not an expert and haven't tried it myself, but it sounds like a good idea. activate the handwarmer, and seal the can. The warmer will eat the O2 and moisture.
is that what they do?
Humidity is key when storing ammunition and guns. I did not mean to mislead peaple with these videos. I was just trying to share the extremes. Ammo will last a very long time in average conditions.
when you pull the ammo can out of the fridge wont you get condisation from the temperature change .. do you use any silicone grease on the ammo can gaskets ?
Would you mind doing a recommended books vid? I am mainly interested in the reloading books. My husband is getting into reloading and he needs all the help he can get! LOL Great vids, thanks so much!
use gloves when packing the ammo! :)
Mirind0R Latex. Also remove fingerprints...
I live in SoCal. The are here is almost as dry as Az. I like your safe. I've got the same one. its bolted to the floor of my loading room. When I'm done with remodeling my house, I'm going to grab another one. To bad the price went up. Either way, I like the way you store your primers and powder.
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That's a nice vacuum sealer. Where'd you get it, what kind is it and how much does one like that cost? Nice video! Thanks!
How critical do you think the vacuum part is? Sure its better. But say you just threw in a dessicant?
What kind of vacuum bagger do you have and what did it cost? Does it only seal mylar? The PMC .308 didn't appear to be in mylar, was it bagged by the same machine?
I have a Foodsaver vacuum sealer and was sealing up some ammo for longer term storage and waterproofing. I then had some questions about VACUUM sealing... the effect on ammunition ... the powder and primers. i don't think that going for as much vacuum as you can get is a good thing. The higher vacuum might reduce the propellant and primer effectiveness! I started stopping the vacuum process as soon as it started to hug the ammo boxes. I use desiccants in my ammo cans, but haven't felt the need to put any in the vacuum bags. This process should remove most of the humidity and form a barrier against humidity and moisture in the future. Don't bag stuff in a high humidity environment and then store it in a cooler area, possibly allowing moisture to condense.
Wouldn't keeping them in a cold fridge over night and then bringing them out create condensation?
Yeah that made absolutely no sense to me...I also don't understand why he keeps touches the ammo with his bare hands...I doubt he opens any of those bags very often to realize his mistakes. Gotta give the guy credit tho...he's doing better than 95% of us
Put ammo in the can then put can in mylar and vac pac it.
@@ABH313 // the fridge is a de-humidifier (try it with fresh tobacco). if box is left in the fridge 24hrs, then sealed while in the fridge, that box will have a much lower humidity than the room you are standing in. try using a hygrometer and check inside/out of the fridge. note hygrometers are not an instantaneous read-out; must be left in place to stabilize.
Thanks OBX, another good perspective.
Awesome, thanks! I think I'll get the VP215 this summer for food storage.
What kind of vacuum sealer do you use? I like that!
The vacuum bagging IS the way to go.
Thanks for the advice. I've been thinking of vaccum some bags of ammo. I never thought about the humidity.
Enjoyed the video and always like seeing your set up.
So would using mylar bags and a vacuum sealer be better for handgun storage than something like one of those 'no rust' bags from cheaper than dirt?
That pistol is a Colt service revolver fome the thirtys. I sprayed fluid film on it and vacuum baged it. I dont use any desiccants. When doing wooden grip pistols I remove the grips and bag them seperatly. Hope that helped.
Good stuff brother...as always
Nothing but good info here . Thanks
What machine is that you're using to seal a mylar bag? Standard mylar bags?
This is very similar to what I do. I also try to pack and store in the winter because its so dry then and the air in the ammo cans will be dry them also.
Nice options buddy. I've vacuumed sealed some of mine and have the rest in ammo cans but I've not done the mylar bag thing. That's a good one. You'd think by taking al lthe air out of a bag the humidity would go with it. SO that's not the case? I'll have to reconsider how I store my ammo down here in Florida.
Great video, I made a video last month on how to store ammo and I use ammo cans and telling about the benifits that they have.
If i vacuum seal ammo and put it in ammo cans would I need to put silica packets in the can as precaution.
Your Welcome.. Thanks for stopping by..
I think if you put the cartridges in the bag in an orderly fashion (with the points facing inward, maybe?) it will eliminate the risk of puncturing.
The commercial machines have seal bar timers and can do up to 8mil bags.
Bulk ammo doesn't give you the opportunity to vacuum pack it in a box. I store .308 & .223 by first putting it in a heavy-duty sandwich bag before vacuum packing it the vacuum bag. I ALWAYS include a desiccant package. It's cheap insurance at 25 cents a pack from Amazon (which sells everything from bathtubs to battleships). I bag up 50 rounds at a time so the desiccant is about half a cent per round. I also handle hollow point pistol round this way since they'll also puncture a vacuum bag.
I thought that TefGel was for eliminating dissimilar metal corrosion from electrolysis or for an anti-seize? Is it also good for conditioning the ammo can seals? I know that you shouldn't use any type of petroleum based products such as Vaseline, Axle Grease or things like WD-40. I learned that the hard way when my seals basically turned into sticky gum after a while. The Mil-Spec seals are not natural rubber...and they will react with any type of petroleum based conditioner.
I worry a bit about my ammo. It's in ammo cans with good seals, but I live in the high desert and while humidity isn't much of a problem, the heat is. Unfortunately, the ammo cans have to get stored in the garage, which isn't all that much cooler than outside. I've never noted a degradation of the ammo, but then I've never stored much quantity until the last year or so. So we'll see how it does.
I am envious of your reloading setup. One question: can u explain how u prepared that revolver for bagging? How long will you keep it in the bag? Do u include some type of desiccant in the bag? Thanks!
Thank you Sir for taking the time to share all your knowledge and experience. In your opinion would it be best to just keep surplus military ammo in the spam can I received it in, or should I open and put it in ammo cans or vac seal bags ? Thank you in advance from Canada .
Nice videos. Thanks for uploading. I have vacuum sealed some 20rd 5.56 boxes in fives. The boxes have collapsed a bit. I can faintly see the bullet tips on some. My question is can this damage the bullet? Maybe move it a bit and affect feeding, O.A.L. or something else. Your help is appreciated.
What make/model is that vacuum bagger unit you are using?
A bit too overboard for me... Ammo cans in a cool, no temp swings storage area is how I roll... I might do the whole mylar vac seal bit if I had a nice vac machine like yours and if mylar was cheaper...
very good video sir. first time I saw a video from your channel, and I think I will be subbing.
When sealed this way, can it be buried in a moist environment without being compromised? What about condensation on the inside of bag?
Apologies if I sound ignorant on this, but isnt it dangerous to keep powder and primers together, and that too in a safe? I always read that youre supposed to keep them separate, and in a breatheable container. I just always thought pressure builds up quickly in a safe
Be gentle, new reloader here.
Valvoline on the gasket on the can has helped for me. haven't vac sealed mine . I like that ideal thanks bro !
juts out of curiosity, I know you mentioned putting the ammo can in the refrigerator since it is low humidity before closing them up. Would you recommend putting cardboard boxes of ammo in the fridge before vacuum sealing them?
Is it true that you should not store primers w/ your powder?
Can you use Mylar bags with oxygen absorbers for storing long term?
Any chance at all of loosing primers when you vacuum pack?
how do u get such awesome vacuum seals on the mylar bags?! pls tell or show..i havent found a good way yet..
I have heard that some ammo needs to or does "outgas" and should not be sealed in this manner. Have you ever heard of this?
So, leave the can open, place in fridge, and then immediately close as soon as you take it out??
Where can I get an awesome vacuum sealer like yours I've never even seen one that nice you must just have tons of cash you pretty much have the best of the best of everything
Where do you get your mylar bags and what the make and model of your vacuum systems?
+Charles Craven Just goggle "Mylar Bags. and you'll find plenty of vendors. "OBXSOLWIND" stated that the brand is called "Vacmaster." The particular model that he uses is no longer made or available.
How would I do that if I don't have that kind of machine like you do. Can I take a vacuum cleaner and do it? Please bro tell me more.
try a manual vacuum pump (brake bleeder). problem will be sealing without atmosphere getting BACK into the bag. FoodSaver has a setup with Mason Jars, but do you want metal in glass and transport ?
Its made by VACMASTER.. There not cheap but the bags are..
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Great!! How long have you been doing this? Best way to get started reloading; since I can't afford the single boxes of ammo. Thanks
F in Vancouver Wa
Great video. Have you considered Lockdown Moisture Absorbing Silica Gel? You could place one of these bags in the ammo can?
I like the chamber vacuum. I use mine for food maybe it's time to start using it for ammo
Can you recommend a good place to buy ammo cans, so I dont get ripped off buying crappy ones? Thanks!
And, is it possible to use normal foodsaver vacuum sealers and the bags that come with them?
has been done; do not recommended it. the bags are stressed for vacuum usage and may have been damaged unseen. design/trust issues.
When are they going to finish the bridge! My easy 2 hour trip have turned into an all day event. I dig the safe full of ammo.
would mylar bags with oxygen absorbers work well?
I have alot of vacing to do!!!..thanks brother
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Can you use one of the kitchen vacuum sealers? the ones you can buy at almost any grocery store?
Vacuum sealed is vacuum sealed.
Where can I get this sealing machine?
What is the model number of the vacuum pack device? Or does anyone have a recommendation?
You can absolutely loose seal pointed rounds, most important is that no points are aligned with primers.