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Appoota doesn't understand agnostic atheism
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Gnosticism deals with KNOWLEDGE.
THEISM/ATHEISM deals with BELIEF.
Knowledge is a SUBSET of Belief.
~ Matt Dillahunty
I don't know if there is a God(Agnosticism) & HENCE I don't believe in a God(Atheism).
The lack of evidence is evidence of absence?
Finally someone who understands what agnostic atheism is.... Thanks vimoh coz in Indian circles all I see is 'them' discarding this position completely as if it doesnt exist.
Does this word as agnostic atheist exist ? I cannot find in the internet and very little is known about this agnostic atheist or agnostic theist .. according to greek philosophy there is no word as agnostic atheist ?? Can you guys give me source for this word
Someone used their GRE vocab list for the daily prep challenge
Is it me or this video should've been titled 'The dance of Propositions'
More like fumbling about of propositions.
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@@vimohlive Does this word as agnostic atheist exist ? I cannot find in the internet and very little is known about this agnostic atheist or agnostic theist .. according to greek philosophy there is no word as agnostic atheist ?? Can you guys give me source for this word
Appoota was only here for 1 thing- word salad.
Atheism is not a belief, it is the lack of belief in a God. There is no belief.
This guy was not even trying to listen what you had to say and what position you held or what you meant by it. Instead he just kept saying "I'm trying to say".
Appoota is just nonsense
Nicely done. I particularly liked the bit where he wanted you to say whether or not you believed in a Christian god, but could not when asked provide a definition of the Christian god.
We get a lot of questions regarding this unspecified undefined god, and then get asked why we don't believe in it.
Prof Paul draper.. atheist philosopher of religion... "One problem with defining “atheism” as a psychological state is that philosophers do not define “theism” as a psychological state, nor should they. “Theism,” like most other philosophical “-isms”, is understood in philosophy to be a proposition. This is crucial because philosophers want to say that theism is true or false and, most importantly, to construct or evaluate arguments for theism. Psychological states cannot be true or false, nor can they be the conclusions of arguments. Granted, philosophers sometimes define “theism” as “the belief that God exists” and it makes sense to argue for a belief and to say that a belief is true or false, but here “belief” means “something believed”. It refers to the propositional content of belief, not to the attitude or psychological state of believing. If, however, “theism” is defined as the proposition that God exists and “theist” as someone who believes that proposition, then it makes sense to define “atheism” and “atheist” in an analogous way. This means, first, defining “atheism” as a proposition or position so that it can be true or false and can be the conclusion of an argument and, second, defining “atheist” as someone who believes that proposition. Since it is also natural to define “atheism” in terms of theism, it follows that, in the absence of good reasons to do otherwise, it is best for philosophers to understand the “a-” in “atheism” as negation instead of absence, as “not” instead of “without”-in other words, to take atheism to be the contradictory of theism."
Finally someone who gets it.
So sanstheist would be a better word?
Its a philosophical position just read it up god dam
Why so much stupidity come now days in conversation...half video is about atheism and agnostic and again atheism...why he doesn't just make an agreement why so much drag
With English comes 10 mins of high quality style.
Appoota needs therapy.... the need to be correct by bringing and introducing so many terms that he doesnt explain and is not a common knowledge even by googleable sense. also @VimohLive i get you refuse to explain somethings again and again so make a video from time to time defining things that is commonly used by you would be useful. I as an audience grasp things better and quicker if its explained by someone than reading it off google. Its a request you can still refuse to and i understand that :)
Can't agree more !
I am a theist atheist ..
How to waste time of debater 101
I think u missed the point he was trying to make, although by the looks of it, he was trying to get you to agree with the proposition that such a being cannot exist therefore god does not exist. This would be in direct contradiction to your agnostic position, which he was desperately trying to create.
Appota is not agnostic...
Just use the Oxford English dictionary definition. I thought that's what everyone went by.
Alternate video title
Propewwsition😂
Is faced with an apatheist ...doubt he could understand even more so.
Lololol. You concluded that I'm trying to argue for Christianity when I was running the Logical problem of evil, which is an argument AGAINST god. That's sufficient to conclude who doesn't understand even an ounce of theology/Phil of Religion 😂😂😂
Expect a video response soon.
- Appoota
That's rich coming from someone who spent more than 10 minutes trying to convince me to follow their script. As for the Christianity part, I speculated and I apologise if I was wrong. But I hope you realise that there are Agnostic Christians also. So it wasn't a wild guess. And as far as Theology is concerned, I consider it a useless waste of time and a whole lot of navel gazing. But you do you. Have a nice day!
@@vimohlive I'd be happy to see two concessions on your next stream
#1 Accusing me of being an undercover Christian was wrong
#2 Affirming a tri-omni god and the existence of evil entails a contradiction (which entails that the God doesn't exist and one shouldn't be agnostic about such god)
Happy to see a formal syllogism if you disagree.
@@aravindvenkatasubramanian1501 I will make the point about me assuming you were Christian. The second one I won't, because you are still trying to make me make a claim that something is impossible. I made my position clear in the video and I won't be repeating it here.
@@vimohlive Yep.
Here's the argument for tri-omni gods and existence of evil entailing a contradiction (and thus entailing that the God doesn't exist)
P1. If god is omnipotent, then for all worlds, if god desires that world be actualized, then that world is actualized, and if god desires that world not be actualized, then that world is not actualized.
P2. If god is omnibenevolent, then for all worlds, if god desires that world be actualized, then god believes that is the best world, and if god believes that it is not the best world, then god desires that world not be actualized.
P3. If god is omniscient, then for all worlds, god believes that is the best world iff that world is the best world and god believes that is not the best world iff that world is not the best world.
P4. There exists a world such that that world is actualized, and it is not the case that that world is the best world.
C. Therefore, it is not the case that god is omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient.
Pg→∀x((Dgx→Tx) ∧ (Ngx→¬Tx))
Bg→∀x((Dgx→Ggx) ∧ (Hgx→Ngx))
Sg→∀x((GgxUx) ∧ (Hgx¬Ux))
∃x(Tx∧¬Ux)
:. ¬(Pg∧Bg∧Sg)
Happy to see which premise you disagree with and an argument for the negation of that premise.
@@aravindvenkatasubramanian1501 Thanks for writing it down. I repeat, I am not interested in logical models that seek to prove or disprove god. I am only interested in that which can be demonstrated. I can build a similar case for a three eyed pink hippo that exists outside the universe. It won't say anything about said hippo existing or not existing. Hope that clears it up one final time.
So what does this agnostic think of sun worshipping as the sun itself to the point of some saying a sun is a god ...and others just tanning bums in the air?
Proposition: god exists
if this prop is true acc to you, you're a theist
if this prop is false acc to you, you're an atheist
if you don't know the answer to whether it's true or false, then you're agnostic.
you seem to fall under the agnostic category so all he was trying to ask is why do you say "agnostic atheist" instead of just saying "agnostic", as both agnostic and atheist are seperate things as far as he knows.
now what you were doing is just rewording the definition of agnostic by saying "i lack belief in the prop" which is literally the same thing as what agnostic means, and you were calling this as "agnostic atheist"
I did not create the phrase agnostic atheist. It's a well-accepted position. I have it. That's all there is to this. I am sure my saying the things you need me to say would have been useful to you, but I am not going to do that. I am going to argue from my position. Thanks!
@@vimohlive you know what would have been more useful? if you could just simply explain what the difference between this well established prestigious term, and the term "agnostic" is
A slight correction mate, the fact that he don't know whether a God exists would make him an agnostic, at least of a kind, as opposed to a lack of belief in God, which I think you'll agree colloquially means atheism. But on this colloquial definition of atheism, atheism wouldn't actually be a negation of the proposition that theists affirm to but smth of a psychological constitution of his brain if u like. Btw I appreciate your informative comment.
@@roswaallmathers4595 I recommend Google.
@@vimohlive I recommend not doing QnA livestreams if you're failing to answer the most basic questions, that too regarding the main theme of the livestream
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8:58 oh.... Vimoh you should not said is it demontrable? Demonstration is almost impossible to achieve for anything