Even though Ambedkar had completely outlawed the caste system in the Indian Constitution, and he had even burnt the Manusmriti because he believed it to be casteist. So everyone is always talking about it, no Hindus did anything to him or about him.
its a prism not a pyramid, and people have a predisposed tendency to one type of activity or another but ultimately you have the free will to decide what life/profession to take because god only gives you the energy its up to you how you use it and every action has a reaction, that is the core of the caste system. Just say your born to a family of working class laborers be prepared to sacrifice mroe and work harder to become say an engineer or become an expert on the scriptures, you can do it if you try but is just going to be harder than someone already born into a family of engineers or what not. Thats the real caste system and even then no one case is superior to the other. All 4 castes are equal in eyes of god and we being a part of god ideally should view with respect and reverence whosever upholds their dharma and does the work with shraddha and bhakti as a service to the divine and to the country. This was the true nature of our caste system, such a shame secular folks and liberals and colonialists took these above concepts and perverted them. Caste system think of it mroe like an observation by philosphers of what they observed in the environment around them then something like an artifically engineered system in classical and even medeival india.
Caste is not appropriate is like tribe or clan or jaati. Like you see identity based on language. In Muslims you have Shia Sunni Ahmedia, Similarly you have thousand sects in Church. We do not fight with each other. Its only for purpose of marriage. We must take pride otherwise they will induce inferiority complexity in every thing. They what inferiority complex because they want their own ideology like commushit etc.
So even talking about Ramayan should be discouraged because it is somehow opression towards dalits? Lmao Now I wish The ramayan and Mahabharat are replayed again like in covid times just so you could seethe at a SIMPLE, GOOD STORY about being righteous and Moral.
I don't think believing or understanding cast is first thing we do consciously but things emerges infront of us. I don't know if I have any privilege or something. All these things looks more like how Indians needs validation from west. If someone is not allowing you to their temple just build your own. I think it's mostly a fuss accepted over period of time. Some odd examples also I have seen. Don't know what happened in past but it depends on time and place have seen many places where lower cast people do un necessary fights and then take help of Police specially in South India. In North also I have seen incidents like people from lower casts looting their own people as they can't sell their land to anyone else or Uncle living next to us with quite a modern society who now don't follow old rules except may be marriage and all good financially but just vote Mayavati for benifits.
Yes but first we have to neutralize the evil effects what thousands years of discrimination already caused. Which comes with Hinduism? So how old you believe Hinduism is?
@@harshalgawai746 Give me scriptural evidence of discrimination based on caste and also tell the name of that scripture and chapter in which it is written.
@@Bhagya.Solanki Give me scriptural evidence of discrimination based on caste and also mentioned the name of that scripture and chapter in which it is written. Let me tell you that I don't believe in any cult I am always in search of such things. Hope you will reply to me soon.
@@AbhyanandKushwaha-kk8el I can give you all the evidence that you want that will make you understand why casteism is caused by Hindu literature. But I'll explain the worst of this system called the Varna system. It's mentioned in the 10 mandal of Rigved, Purusha Sukta. This same is mentioned in Manusmriti and all other Hindu literature. This states that someone is pure and someone is impure by birth. Brahmin became highest while Shudras was a designation given to the working class Indian people of this land. While it's clearly proven that Aryans which were Brahmins came to India from outside. There is no reason to classify people based on birth. Shudras were people which Brahmins could exploit as they want and became the worst treated atrocities and discrimination ever faced in the history of the entire world. Dalits what we call today is that sect of people in India who are trying to come to the upper eschillon of society but are still denied their rights. Thank the Mahatma Phune, savitribai Phule. Dr. BR Ambedkar who fought for the rights of this people. This is SC ST OBC society of India. The Varna system and caste system are the reason that these people are left behind. What more proof do you want?? This is embarrassing to explain. Please learn the history of untouchables. World knows about racism is American, about hate of Jews in Germany but we ignore our own history. We know nothing about thr hardships of Dalit community of India.
@@lasyak6355Exactly 😂😂😂...we Indians are always crying about racism against us...which is good...but we never bother introspect... casteism and racism is inherent in us...and for 75+ yrs of independence.. nothing fucking changed.
@@sukdeep_diksheet Why do they have a "lower status" to begin with? Aren't they human too? Whose business it is apart from the legal couple in question if they want to marry? Wha does this "status" of yours to do with love? Stop justifying casteism. The reason Savarna people don't marry out of their caste is because of casteism. Period.
Because then i will not be able to study, i will have to keep doing whatever my ancestors were doing till now. And sorry for my arrogance because i thought that this is a very simple question which can be answered by common sense
@@Theoretical.phy. for you, caste system is wrong because it benefits you and it's right for you. A thief steal from others, benefits him, it's right for him also. Both are on same page. There is no such thing called absolute truth, right? What is common sense according to atheistic believes??
"We would be called oppressor and we HAVE to listen to it" tell this to a poor brahmin kid who lost a seat at a prestigious university to a well of SC/ST
Lol is it exit?🤡 It's caste base books like Geeta ramyan manusmriti where so many caste also mention Read history & talk about anything Dr br ambedkar genius person but they considered as a shudra Bheel punja help maharana pratap at haldi ghati but he considered as a shudra When 500 Mahar defeated 28k Peshwa they also consider as a shudra as well so many examples more which proves that these books is waste like garbage which spread sweet poison
@@rahulparewa6535 I agree that manusmriti is a controversial book becuz that is one of the most corrupted scripture as well but others can't be mentioned like that
Good to see that some people are talking about it.
Haa
Even though Ambedkar had completely outlawed the caste system in the Indian Constitution, and he had even burnt the Manusmriti because he believed it to be casteist. So everyone is always talking about it, no Hindus did anything to him or about him.
Great going bro …good topics
Keep it up and spreading awareness in society
Beautiful Conversation Ishan♥️
Cast system is cancer for siciery
It has even been taken off from the society, Ambedkar outlawed it.
@@taruntac4347how?
Why is it wrong??
Disease spread by brahmins to weaken he society...
Hinduism is caner
Great discussion❤
These debates on castes mean NOTHING if no participant is from lower caste😂
Are they Ex hindu ??
@@Heisenberger2005no they are born rational
Absolutely spot on
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Hey Ishan, proud of you and I am a defiant ex-muslim myself. We're the same creed :)
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Jihad in Muslim and castism in Hinduism (not officially ) is a Kalank
Jaativadi people are not upper class they are lower morally
@@aarrvindmbd1974 why morally wrong?? Who said that?? I want to know y you believe that.
I believe it's wrong.
Jihad kya hain??
Mahabharat kya hain??
@@TruthSeekerNH
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Our family bring on ideology that we are superior to others. You can say about your family. Who gave you right to represent crore of others?
Hi Ishan Good Discussion 😊, would you like to have a Live with me ? Let me know.
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2 per;sons t;alking w;ith delu;sions.
its a prism not a pyramid, and people have a predisposed tendency to one type of activity or another but ultimately you have the free will to decide what life/profession to take because god only gives you the energy its up to you how you use it and every action has a reaction, that is the core of the caste system. Just say your born to a family of working class laborers be prepared to sacrifice mroe and work harder to become say an engineer or become an expert on the scriptures, you can do it if you try but is just going to be harder than someone already born into a family of engineers or what not. Thats the real caste system and even then no one case is superior to the other. All 4 castes are equal in eyes of god and we being a part of god ideally should view with respect and reverence whosever upholds their dharma and does the work with shraddha and bhakti as a service to the divine and to the country. This was the true nature of our caste system, such a shame secular folks and liberals and colonialists took these above concepts and perverted them. Caste system think of it mroe like an observation by philosphers of what they observed in the environment around them then something like an artifically engineered system in classical and even medeival india.
Caste is not appropriate is like tribe or clan or jaati. Like you see identity based on language. In Muslims you have Shia Sunni Ahmedia, Similarly you have thousand sects in Church. We do not fight with each other. Its only for purpose of marriage. We must take pride otherwise they will induce inferiority complexity in every thing. They what inferiority complex because they want their own ideology like commushit etc.
Bro you are Brahmin and I'm Brahmin let's debate on caste system
Go in his live debate
@@sukdeep_diksheet what live come with face to face
@@Navneet_Jha why face to face, When you can debate on live without going anywhere
😂
@@sukdeep_diksheet ok invite me when he live
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nice bro
So even talking about Ramayan should be discouraged because it is somehow opression towards dalits? Lmao Now I wish The ramayan and Mahabharat are replayed again like in covid times just so you could seethe at a SIMPLE, GOOD STORY about being righteous and Moral.
The most effective thing is to eradicate brahmanism aka Hinduism which is the core of the caste system.
@@AK-db2ph
The m;ost e;ffective th;ing is to dismantle a;theism.
Hello ishan you left yt ?
I don't think believing or understanding cast is first thing we do consciously but things emerges infront of us.
I don't know if I have any privilege or something. All these things looks more like how Indians needs validation from west. If someone is not allowing you to their temple just build your own. I think it's mostly a fuss accepted over period of time.
Some odd examples also I have seen.
Don't know what happened in past but it depends on time and place have seen many places where lower cast people do un necessary fights and then take help of Police specially in South India.
In North also I have seen incidents like people from lower casts looting their own people as they can't sell their land to anyone else or Uncle living next to us with quite a modern society who now don't follow old rules except may be marriage and all good financially but just vote Mayavati for benifits.
Proud brahmin
You need a doctor 😂😂😂
@@RohitRaj-ve7ly cope and seethe.
@@dushyant_dutt get cured first
Mentality ill
@@RohitRaj-ve7ly cope much?
You people should just embrace Naturalism instead of whining about how privilege the upper castes are.
You are casteist
@@Atheism712 Is that the only insult you can come up with?
@@tonmoy1549how will accepting the naturalism solve the evil of casteism??
Yes but first we have to neutralize the evil effects what thousands years of discrimination already caused. Which comes with Hinduism? So how old you believe Hinduism is?
abey naturalism pai 85 percent public aah gayi naa san kuch loot jaiega lol
I support caste system but i am against of :-
1) caste based descrimination
2) caste is decided by birth
Caste is based on discrimination. 😅how can u support caste system. That is oxymoron
Give me proof of this from hindu scripture and also tell the name of the scripture and chapter in which it is written.
@@harshalgawai746 Give me scriptural evidence of discrimination based on caste and also tell the name of that scripture and chapter in which it is written.
@@Bhagya.Solanki Give me scriptural evidence of discrimination based on caste and also mentioned the name of that scripture and chapter in which it is written.
Let me tell you that I don't believe in any cult I am always in search of such things.
Hope you will reply to me soon.
@@AbhyanandKushwaha-kk8el I can give you all the evidence that you want that will make you understand why casteism is caused by Hindu literature. But I'll explain the worst of this system called the Varna system. It's mentioned in the 10 mandal of Rigved, Purusha Sukta. This same is mentioned in Manusmriti and all other Hindu literature. This states that someone is pure and someone is impure by birth. Brahmin became highest while Shudras was a designation given to the working class Indian people of this land. While it's clearly proven that Aryans which were Brahmins came to India from outside. There is no reason to classify people based on birth. Shudras were people which Brahmins could exploit as they want and became the worst treated atrocities and discrimination ever faced in the history of the entire world. Dalits what we call today is that sect of people in India who are trying to come to the upper eschillon of society but are still denied their rights. Thank the Mahatma Phune, savitribai Phule. Dr. BR Ambedkar who fought for the rights of this people. This is SC ST OBC society of India. The Varna system and caste system are the reason that these people are left behind. What more proof do you want?? This is embarrassing to explain. Please learn the history of untouchables. World knows about racism is American, about hate of Jews in Germany but we ignore our own history. We know nothing about thr hardships of Dalit community of India.
Agree thats why they denies intercaste marriage 😂
Upper caste children were allowed to be friends with lower caste by their parents
So what it should not be allowed? What difference it makes now it should be happen as normal
"Allowed" as if they are being generous with by looking at human beings as human beings.
@@lasyak6355Exactly 😂😂😂...we Indians are always crying about racism against us...which is good...but we never bother introspect... casteism and racism is inherent in us...and for 75+ yrs of independence.. nothing fucking changed.
Upper caste dont prefer to marry with lower caste. Because of their low status.
@@sukdeep_diksheet Why do they have a "lower status" to begin with? Aren't they human too? Whose business it is apart from the legal couple in question if they want to marry? Wha does this "status" of yours to do with love? Stop justifying casteism. The reason Savarna people don't marry out of their caste is because of casteism. Period.
India doesn't have a caste System, Hindu meaning Indian. Indian are SC, ST Dalits muslim Christian Sikh Jain Dravidian brahamin Buddhists and Rajput
Bro are you saying this sarcastically??
If not india has a caste system, hindu doesn't mean Indian. Indian means the people living in india.
@@aayushnautiyal7404hindu is geography what are talking aboutM
That's like saying water isn't wet, it just isn't solid or gas lol
F U Gandhi ji. U will never change. Glad ur fangs are out in the open.
My question to atheist, why caste system is wrong??
As an atheist I am laughing
@@Theoretical.phy. y u laugh, instead of answering.
@@Theoretical.phy. please answer the question. Laughing shows arrogance.
Because then i will not be able to study, i will have to keep doing whatever my ancestors were doing till now. And sorry for my arrogance because i thought that this is a very simple question which can be answered by common sense
@@Theoretical.phy. for you, caste system is wrong because it benefits you and it's right for you.
A thief steal from others, benefits him, it's right for him also. Both are on same page.
There is no such thing called absolute truth, right?
What is common sense according to atheistic believes??
"We would be called oppressor and we HAVE to listen to it" tell this to a poor brahmin kid who lost a seat at a prestigious university to a well of SC/ST
Ok, I'll tell him. Call him over.
I am here u can tell me😊
@@lasyak6355 i am here u can u tell me.
😂😂😂 bhramins selfish only care about seats
What about sc/st get lynched because of your varna
Cast system? Bro its varna system and varna is not decided your hirth place it is decided by your karma
Lol is it exit?🤡
It's caste base books like Geeta ramyan manusmriti where so many caste also mention
Read history & talk about anything
Dr br ambedkar genius person but they considered as a shudra
Bheel punja help maharana pratap at haldi ghati but he considered as a shudra
When 500 Mahar defeated 28k Peshwa they also consider as a shudra as well so many examples more which proves that these books is waste like garbage which spread sweet poison
Is jhooth ko kb tk bologe bhyiiiii
@@rahulparewa6535 have you ever read bhagvat gita ?
@@rahulparewa6535 I agree that manusmriti is a controversial book becuz that is one of the most corrupted scripture as well but others can't be mentioned like that
@@YTianNaman Geeta*
Caste based books