Before I ever got into guns this much now, I have no idea how firearms work. Yes, I know the basics but that it.... Now, after building 2 AR's this last few months I know the guns and every part to them and know what every part does. Building your own guns makes your knowledge that much better about firearms..... Budget is what you are able to get with what resources you have.... everyone's budget is different....
Build what you like. It will be more satisfying to you. I’ve done more than 30 builds and they all function the way I want. More money does not make it shoot any better.
I once was a member of Trout Unlimited and was frequently forced to debate budget vs. expensive name brand gear. I always said, "The fish don't care what your gear says on it." The same goes for your enemy.
I like to compare firearms to a Baseball Bat. You can spend $400 on a Bat or $50. Unless you are at a high level, the problem is not the Bat, it is the Batter.
Absolutely! And how many of those guy can hit or even take a shot over 200-300 yards? Not many! I'll stick to saving on my rifle and putting money into ammo and training. No sense in having a $5000 firearm if you can't buy ammo to train with.
Great video. One thing that gets me is when you have some of these guys review a budget AR without any malfunctions and they might even go as far as to show that they shot tight groups with it but they still can't recommend it for home defense or duty use. I understand what's important in a rifle that you can stake your life on and many of the budget line of guns meet all of those criteria. In law enforcement for example, why does the gun have to have a cold hammer forged barrel when shooting out barrel won't happen overnight, and even if you do that's not a reliability issue; the accuracy will not go from sub MOA to shooting 3" groups overnight anyway. In truth, by the time anyone might begin to notice any accuracy issues with, say a nitrided barrel they'll probably already have more than one rifle in their collection. Another issue some have with "low end" rifles is that the BCG may not have the gas key properly staked with grade 3 fasteners, or it may not be made with carpenter 158 steel and so on but even at that I'd rather have something that I can afford than to have nothing at all and how difficult is it to upgrade a BCG at a later time anyway? As to barrels, I'm not saying that there aren't certain advantages to CHF barrels or other upgrades that can be included with higher end rifles, but the lack thereof doesn't necessarily preclude a rifle from being "duty grade". Frankly, I'd rather have 3 decent rifles that can get the job done than to have only one rifle with all the bells and whistles. PSA comes to mind when considering low cost but reliable rifles, and if for instance a CHF barrel means a lot to you, they offer FN barrel options as well. That being said, one can start with a bare bones rifle and upgrade to a pre-assembled upper with a CHF barrel later, or if they have she skill they can simply upgrade the barrel at a later time. That's one of the great things about the AR platform, one can start with something to get them into the game and gradually make upgrades over time. All this to say that for someone to say that a budget rifle or handgun can't be used for personal defense, home defense or even for duty purposes is a farce. Just my two.
I spent years building cars and bikes and recently started building guns. I learned a lot from the AT3 videos as well as others. I made the mistake of joining some "AR" groups on the facebook and the budget shaming began, what a joke!!!! I have never been "budget shamed" at the range.
So your saying you’d rather have the eBay turbo over the garret? But but a turbo is a turbo would be the same implication here. And we all know eBay turbos are trash. Buy quality weapons and parts and stop cheating out on something you literally would use to defend your life. Just like car parts you could pay for an Anderson/psa/ bca/ radical and get monkey level wuality like a ebay turbo, or you could spend some good money of something like a bcm with a aerospace quality and qc like the garret turbo.
We all know what the bogie stuff is but the ones in the know realize that it all boils down to function for your needs. I've fired $700 rigs all the way up to $3,000 rigs and I never saw a $2,200 difference in performance..
Triggers make a difference, it really depends on what you use you rifle for. Competition, self defense, range toy or hunting. Flattest shooting rifle I've ever shot had a ultradyne Apollo max comp and a kynshot hydraulic buffer. That was a $270 upgrade for stock parts.
@boscowang3422 I don't know what all that means but I shoot a 2 moa at a hundred yards with a saint victor box stock and a $100 at3 red dot all day and I'm as happy as a pig in shit.
It all comes down to what your paying for, when you buy higher tier manufacturers your buying better qc. Your more likely to have issues and a bunch of out of spec parts on a psa or Anderson than your are on something like a bcm. Psa and Anderson pretty much literally machine and slap their rifle together like monkeys and only inspect 1 or 2 parts from a whole batch of parts. where a company like bcm quite literally has an aerospace level qc and inspection department and pretty much inspects all those parts and rifles and checks that everything meets standards before leaving the factory.
I stop caring about budget shaming when I found out that most of the gun tubers promoting high end gear were getting their gear sent to them for review or they actually work for/own an FFL so obtaining the equipment is not a big problem for them.
This is a video about why it's okay to not spend a lot of money and you should buy budget products from companies like at3. From the owner of at3. Give me a more direct form or promotion.
All the shaming comes from the 'wanna be' tactical crowd....the basement CQB, one-man team leaders. The real former high-speed guys, and typical firearms instructors will tell you to just train with what you have.
My favorite build is my 300 Blackout pistol made with a hodgepodge of parts from AT3, PSA, DTT and second hand. Total cost was less than $800 including the optic. It's all different shades of grey and black, but makes it look cool IMO.
What a great freaking video. All my ar style rifles/pistols are from palmetto state. I have had zero issues. When pin strikes the primer it make a boom everytime. I have a 1x prisim from primary arms, i have a 1-6 Lpvo from primary arms that is on my patrol rifle…yes i am law enforcement, i also have another 1-6 lpvo from monstrum. I like affordable equipment that works great! I have been eyeballing some of the optics from at3. Came across the website a few weeks ago. Im pretty impressed. Not sure which optic to get, gotta be careful with my astigmatism, need something that i can see…….
I love my budget builds! I love upgrading my bushmaster m4's! Smooth actions, accurate, and reliable! Retro! Current m4 clone's , same! Awesome rifles!❤
I have $2500 "top tier" ARs, $1200-$1500 "mid tier" and several $500 "Poor's tier" rifles. My top 3 "go to" are a mid a two Poor's tier rifles! My Gucci $2500 AR isn't even in my top 10! My Go To War AR is a $450 80% home built 14.5"! Spend your money on a GOOD barrel and BCG, watch your tolerance stacking and you are golden! The brand of upper or lower means LESS than nothing and a decent milspec LPK is just fine. The heart of the rifle is the BCG and barrel so don't skimp on them. Get a good BCM, SOL or other quality BCG and Ballistic Advantage makes some damn good barrels for a good price.
@@codegumby secondly, How old are you? I find it HARD to believe that you’ve owned 600 rifles! Even if you HAVE and you think a $3k rifle makes you better? You should have spent all that money on ammo and training! I’ve been a smith for 20 years and can build a better rifle for 1/3 the cost. Hell! Every $800-$1000 COLT is just as good or better than the over priced “top tier” ARs! The contract Colts are the best commercial rifle on the market!
Obviously meant $600. And yeah they're way better. Fit and finish is better. Features are better. Sorry to break it to you but I don't miss my PSA build. Everyone has got to start somewhere but acting like they're the same is dumb.
@@codegumby it wasn’t “obvious” when you wrote “I have owned 600 rifles” you didn’t use a dollar sign, but whatever. I will also disagree that ANY rifle’s “fit and finish” is worth $2000 more than a MID TIER rifle! Outside of static shooting at the range, I will take a $800-$900 Colt LE6920 over any “Top Tier” rifle I can think of. Even a DD or Knights! And I love DD and Knights! I have both but they are no better than a Colt half the price! Bottom line, I don’t give 2 shits what someone prefers or wants to spend their money on, just don’t spew the “how much better they are” BS! Fit and finish doesn’t mean snot in a firefight! The BCG and Barrel are the heart of the rifle! Forged uppers and lowers are all made in the same handful of forges and furniture is furniture. You can do the same work with a PSA that you can with a DD, period. Especially a PSA with the FN barrel!
Owned 2 PSA rifles and they were both garbage after about 6+ months. If you're happy with some bottom dollar stuff good for you. I'll never go back to trying to build/ buy a rifle for as cheap as I can.
Buy what you can afford. No shame. I have a 5000 dollar HK SP5 build partnered with a P365 X macro that I think is best for home defense.....I also own a Taurus GX4 that I think is great. Protect yourselves even if it a SCCY 9mm handgun. We all need to stand together
When youre learning to build, start with "the basic" parts. Once youre officially hooked, youll build em all. Budget, bougie, and everything in between.😂
Randy, I appreciate your laid back approach to the education of firearms without complimentary agendas. As a newcomer to this world I can’t thank you enough for your videos and knowledge. I’m sold on buying from AT3 if gents like you work there. Many thanks.
Hey, Steve... Thank you. Honestly, as I'm guessing you picked up on, my ultimate reward is knowing that the information is understandable & helpful. (Of course, with a little bit of smarta$$ because.... "Why. So. Serious?!" 😅) Thank YOU! -Randy
People shit on Diamondback but I really like my DB15. I’ve swapped out a ton of things on it over the years and it’s never failed me. But even without upgrading anything it was still a decent enough rifle to get you through. The truth is as technology keeps getting better and better the price of manufacturing comes down and things get cheaper. You don’t need to spend 1,500 on a rifle to be dependable anymore.
@@llnaanll From everything I’ve read they had a bunch of QC issues when they first started. But after a while it seems things smoothed out and have been fine for a while now, but people still think they’re unreliable. I dunno. Never a single malfunction with mine. Granted I’ve not put 15k rounds through mine like most people claim they have lol, but still.
I think it comes from people needing to be "The Man" when it comes to firearms. I have low cost guns that are very valuable, that's not something you hear everyday. I have hunted gun shops, gun shows and pawn shops weekly for decades and fine all kinds of things. It's pre-ban guns and accessories that I'm after, not new crap you can order online new.
Holy smokes! I was thinking that Randy looked like...well...Randy from my reef channel/company. Give me a well-deserved "derp" for this one. I, too, used to be in the aquarium/reef industry (still am a hobbyist) and do lots of gun stuff for pay now. I have some cha-ching l/r builds (Radion xr-15), but I still love seeing my friends rocking black Friday builds(AI Prime). I have them, too. Good on ya for calling out the 'Gate Keepers."
All I can say is stay off of Reddit. They’ll shame you for not running Radian lowers, but you’d better run the $100 Microbest BCG instead of the $250 Radian one. They’re such a mixed bag of people out there.
@@At3tactical - If you’re not building 100% correct clones, or picking one particular hive mind part, they’re on your ass. I got massively downvoted for suggesting Radian blem BCG’s for $130.
Sad part is alot of the budget shame here and on Facebook is most of the time is other UA-camrs! There is one specifically that works for a firearms company that his group literally attacked me and was screenshotting stuff from my personal profile. Lost all respect for him that day and will no longer buy from his company. I really appreciate what you said today. The 2A space should be a place we come together not trying to flex because you spent more money. You know what they say about guys with big trucks.... same thing with the guys that need to flex cuz the spent more money. Thanks for what you do Randy and thanks for treating all of us with respect!!
most of the trolls work for the high end gun companies that are losing sales to companies like psa. If someone like me buys 9 psa rifles then that is around 3 guns that the top tier companies could have sold me.
Whew...that's a heavy praise my Man. Really hits the feelers. I appreciate your support! It's time for a change 'round here ... I'll be the Huckle-Bearer! 💪💪 -Randy
@At3tactical you're very welcome . We have an AR group on FB now that shaming is not allowed at all and will be instant ban frome the group. It is really nice. And the builds are across the board from budget to high end. But attitudes have to be left at the door! It is a great group!!
Its not that people have budget builds and get shamed. Its that so many people with budget builds do stupid things to their rifles like putting amazon canted iron sights, or they put red paint and punisher skulls all over it.
So your budget shaming… or build shaming yet their money their time their hobby …. As long as they aren’t causing me problems I could care less what they do
Where does it come from? The YOUNGER generation! I have really started seeing this gear elitist attitude build over the last 10 years and explode over the last 5! Ever since the younger generation started coming of age in the community. Us older guys will never shame someone for how much they can afford to spend on a rifle.
@@codegumby first off, I’m NOT a “boomer”! That would be my parents I’m GenX and don’t give a shit what gear you use. I also have NEVER been “shamed” by a Boomer. I grew up pre-86 when we could go into gun shops and pick full auto MAC10s off the wall! Or have our ARs or even 10/22s converted! The Boomers I grew up around had all the good toys and loved to share.
i wish i could have been live with you all.. u speaketh the truth.. i built a cheap rifle set, - my 1st one i ever built.. i reload my ammo as well, and using my 20 yrs from the Marines infantry.. I truly beat and beat and pushed it down.. and i used a PAMAX X-Slick BCG.. and healthy amount of CLP.. 2 yrs later, thousands of rnds.. dirt, mud, snow..etc.. it is still kicking and very effective at 300yrds.. budget shaming,..is just a way people shill for money.. we all just need to be happy people are partaking in the 2A and keeping it alive..
Still, good to see you after the live! Yeah, it's interesting that the budget shamers think that lower cost inherently means "snake in the grass". The CEO of PSA was just on GOA Podcast (holy-crap acronyms); sharing the same sentiment....He's just focused on getting more firearms into more American's hands and the best way to achieve that...lower the cost. Adding cost to that process does NOT scream "on the up-and-up" to me... maybe it's time to take a deeper look into who's the actual snake in the grass out there. ****Dang, I hope I didn't hurt feelings with that comment! HAHA! -Randy
20 years ago an AR15 was a $200 (in realality) today the technology has not changed. The basic AR15 is at best is a $400 gun. However just like a car, you can have that dally driver or you can have that dream car. If your AR does what you want you don't need to impress the SILLY people.
psa and at3 have been my go for the past couple months. I was an optics planet guy but Ive got caught with ordering stuff a couple times and it not be in stock. That got my angry to many times, so Ive decided to expand my horizon and the at3 youtube videos grabbed me. The website is amazing!
What I have a problem with is people associating and brandishing a brand product as better or the best product, because of the name/brand on a product. Which is pretty much the same thing y'all are talking
My best experience at the range is out shooting the "Equipment Snobs" with my "Budget" firearm. I have successfully accomplished this with my "entry level" AR-15, my "Home Built" AR, as well as my "Budget" sidearms. Now, while I may not have a lifetime "Warranty" with my "Home Built", I know how it goes together and how it works. By all means, research and compare. In the end, if it works and does what you need it to do then don't worry about what others say.
Thank you for this video. Iv recently been pondering this topic and notice there aren’t a lot of videos on it. For me personally. It doesn’t matter as long as there is SOME type of stability. Like you don’t want to loose zero after you drop it or shoot 30 rounds but just because you buy a 3000 dollar guitar doesn’t mean you can play or shred.
Dude.... Fantastic analogy! Just because you buy everything Tiger Woods uses, down to the detail....doesn't mean you're joining the tour. (Not in this lifetime!) -Randy
That's the thing. a LOT of those sub $100 optics do exactly that. they lose 0 from shooting it, let alone dropping it. You're talking to someone who bought a bunch of them, swearing up and down that there must be some magic company that can do the same thing as the other companies for cheaper. It took a guy at the range watching me, and offering to help me 0 my rifle to show me that cheap optics don't work. He put my rifle on his sled, and showed me everything he was doing, and we determined that the optic would change 0, ever so slightly after every shot. So I could 0 it, and shoot, and would end up with 8 inch groups. I switched to an optic from a more expensive company, and my groups dropped to 2 inches at 100 yards.
To be frank, "budget" is a nebulous term that doesn't mean much. "Cost Effective" which is what were all really after, probably ought to be the term. A lot of cost effective stuff that can take some serious freaking abuse.
I think budget shaming comes from dumbasses that want to justify blowing their mortgage on half a rig. Cheers t9 the content gents! Love the shop Randy! AT3 customer for LIFE! 🇺🇸🤘 #ARJunkie #2ARights #RepealNFA #supportGOA #supportFPC #SupportSAF
Budget shamers are also gear snobs. I can't tell you how many times I get sh!t on for running rechargable Olights on all my guns, lol... Maybe we should create a new Fudd categorie called "budget fudds".
Bro, olights are literally chainesium lights for air soft guns and there are countless instances of them exploding and melting shit. Poors will poor though.
You could literally get a stream light for a little bit more that’s is actually duty proven but y’all still chose to go with olight which is known to have a ton of issues
comments like this right here is why y’all get made fun of because y’all literally defend actual crap tooth and nail and stand on that hill. The Amazon red dot guys are just as bad lol
I run a budget lr 308 meaning sub 700$. I hunted with old cva muzzle loader 7+lbs and heirloom single shots for over 20 years. The real budget arms. Step up to a scoped muzzle loader handgun and lr 308 so not taking heirlooms out in fowl weather. Still want to upgrade my 1994 Oneida bow, but $$$$. Spent over 380$ for my complete cmmg upper. Cheap sights and red dot made by American veterans. My 3+ year old kitchen appliances still have made in America stickers on them. I open carry at camp an 1851 as backup bear protection and spray.
The less that you understand about firearms and gun smithing the more likely you are to buy Gucci guns for fear of it not working properly (small common issue) and you not being able to fix the issue yourself.
The more you understand , the more likely you wouldnt buy a bca/radical/Anderson/psa and you would buy a bcm. Your comment tells me you don’t actually understand.
@@HatsuneM1ku01 more magical metal right? The key is better machine work to spec and the kind of trigger and piston buffer to make it feel as good as the more expensive guns. That's the difference between the cheaper lowers and the more expensive ones. You can buy your own trigger, bcg, and buffer system to be just as fancy.
@@HatsuneM1ku01 You should be able to check your gas block to see if it was dimpled properly and the set screws have the right high temperature adhesive. Are you doing that with your rifles? You should also be able to use basic metal working tools to fix any tolerance issues. You should also be able to install your own barrel, gas block, and gas tube. Gammas need real men to do these things for them. Real men should be able to disassemble and build their rifles or change out parts. Most people who buy from PSA know how to do these things. Don't be one of these gammas who don't know how to work on their tools or vehicles.
i think the budget that people use to mean cheap is the wrong definition. a BUDGET is a limit imposed on spending. someones budget can be $500 or $1000 or $5000. its situational
I am casually posting on my own budget channel content that is mostly pertinent to low budget firearms. I'm a fan of AT3 Tactical products as well as PSA and Anderson and AERO. Start with a small budget and you can always upgrade later.
I mean budget has its place but budget parts have been known to fail, been proven time and again. Maybe as spare parts or a spare upper. And why is budget used in the same sentence for life preserving equipment, that’s why most people have a ar as a defensive tool.. all lowers are pretty much the same, if you can’t spend 800-1000 on an upper then save until you can. BCM, PWS, Sons of liberty are all go to companies that have uppers for under 1k. Psa has uppers that are in that price range now too. Sure budget stuff is good for range use but I wouldn’t want to depend my life on it in a defensive situation.
Randy keep it rolling man. Can't wait for a year full of amazing content! I'm up to 40 aquariums, and probably 40 guns too... And all the goodies in between. Gotta work hard to have hobbies lol
It all started from free fish tanks, crappy homemade stands, hammy down rifles/shotguns. For some reason I just always needed more. But that's the awesome part! I still enjoy my budget set ups almost as much as my super high end ones. Hope you have a great New Year brother!! Maybe we get some good change and our home will settle back down. I'm getting sick of how hard it is to find my favorite rounds, and the rate aquarium still is increasing is insane. Has to be a change soon or we may fall
@@johnf817 lol I'm into freshwater fish mainly. Only a couple salt tanks. Most of my tanks don't even have lights. I use them to breed cool fish to sell to fund my hobbies. It's expensive bc of volume. And bullets are $0.50-$5 a shot. So even a small rage day is expensive. Never fails, smooth brains love to argue and troll on the Internet. Most of them have nothing better to do. And they never have any idea what they are talking about. Look around, the price of everything is expensive now. I'm always amazed at how much smooth brains like to argue on the Internet.. I hope you have a happy New Year brother, might be a good idea to read a few books. And if you don't know ammo is expensive, that tells us how good of a shot you are. 🤣
Great video! I've wanted an AR since the early 80's when I was in the military but never made it happen until about two years ago. I started watching one of the (obviously) well financed series of videos to learn more about how to set up my rifle, learn more about what makes it tick, and get some training tips. I never really thought about it but I frequently left those videos feeling like 'I'm not worthy' or 'there's no way I can keep up with this'. Thanks the enlightenment and making me realize that I'm not alone - subscribed and will be adding all of AT3's videos to my play list!
I’m a new builder who also happens to be a convict. I’ve paid my debt to society yet am still persecuted for decisions that I made in my teens & 20’s. I’m on my 2nd & third builds currently and reside in the Great state of Texas
Its funny I see this, I have learned a lot about building from the at3 channel, I have some parts from them as well, funny thing, from a couple of ARs I have , my cheaper one just feels better built than my brand name one 😆
@@mdbizzlpoors will literally find any way to cope with their radical/bca ar that has an Amazon red dot with zeroing issues and jams every other mag, all while saying it’s jus as guud as my bcm which has shot over 5-6k rounds without a hiccup. And the fact it’s pretty common the low tier ars always have issues. It all comes down to, but a duty weapon, not a range toy that you’ve convinced yourself is duty quality that will hold up with duty weapons
A couple of data points. Industry secret, many top shelf brands parts are actually oem'd by budget companies. As a dude that used to work in an aerospace machine shop in the quality department that cut parts for a ton of different companies. Is one brand really 5x better and worth 5x the price when the material is sourced from the same place, it's all cut on the same machines and it all runs through the same quality department being checked with the same calipers, the same mics and on the same cmm machines... no. The quality difference at that point is based on marketing not material. Point being the budget shit is way better than its given credit for and the tier 1 shit isn't as much better as the people buying it want to believe. Just as good really is a thing when most of it all comes from the same places. Just facts.
@At3tactical another quick data point... I've spent ALOT of money on guns and gear. For example Norinco NDM86 in 308... only 1500 were imported into the US before the gubment shut down the imports.... anyway, I had a Daniel defense m4a1 that the hammer and trigger pins were slightly out of spec and the barrel wasn't centered in the ris 2 handguard it was off to one side... I'm not saying this to shit on Daniel defense. They are a great company that makes great stuff... I never made a big deal out of it because neither issue cause a functional problem. The rifle functioned flawlessly despite the defects. The point I'm trying to make by saying all that is if a "quality brand" has an issue it's largely brushed by with 'it happens' and 'they have excellent customer service' but if a budget company has a qc issue (even if it's rectified by customer service) it's rock solid evidence that the whole company is trash and will get you killed. I'm sure you've witnessed this phenomenon yourself.
@@maneateroftsavo some of the preban imports were great guns. I own a daewoo k1 sold for 269 dollars and a norinco ak47 that i purchased for 300 dollars and both are fantastic guns
I just put a new AR-15 together which I’ve been saving for, and I fell more ashamed about how much I spent on it. I won’t say the build I put together cause that would be a dead give away but, I’m feeling ashamed about it.
Liked your comment. This was me in 2020 saving for my first AR and instead of a top tier, I went to a mid tier brand but spent every dime I had on it. Three years later I picked up a less than 600 ar on a sale and that damn thing gets more complements than it's older brother that was over three times as expensive... I get it bro lol
The budget shaming is all about ego, that is toxic ego. Self-centeredness is the root of toxic. I used to shoot at a rifle range, where this was the norm. I was shooting a 1/8" group at 100 yards, while the toxic ones were bragging about hitting a 4-foot target. When dealing with this issue, bring out the golf balls and see how well they can use their crazy expensive gun!
@@codegumby So you have issues with my benchrest shooting skills, my profile picture, or the fact that I talk like a COO? My guns are heavy and unlimited class benchrest. The unlimited gun is called a rail gun. You wouldn't believe the trouble a picture of a cowboy creates in social media! This group of Eigenvalue IQ, are the ones that assumes a cowboy hat is a sign of a hick with no education. Have you ever paid attention to Country Music?
@@junderwood6633 Examples of toxic ego: Kids that just graduated from college, that assume they are better than all other humans. Engineers that think they are the bomb, as they want to take over the company after they pass the PE test. People that think money will buy them a place in the upper crust. Life is about what you have been given and how you use it. This isn't talking about living beyond your means or how your friends look at you. To define a leader, you will need to identify the one that is rejected the most. Followers hate leaders as they are a threat to their false position in life. Rejection was a tool when we were teenagers, and we should grow out of that before we turn 40. Usually, raising kids will remove this from your life, as those kids are so self-centered, you know the definition of toxic ego.
I have to correct you Randy, Jassy is my boss now.... Bezos stepped down to float around in space and on his $500 Million dollar boat, sorry I meant yacht😉... Great vid, I stay away from all that "poor vs gucci" talk, I just want to build and shoot reliable rifles! Between Reddit & FB Groups they make you just want to stop building period the min you post your rifle, damn shame
Hahaha! Shows how connected I am... Absolutely Man, it's a damn shame that at 40yrs old....I would have the slightest hesitation about posting pictures of my first AR build to these groups, for fear of this crap! WHAT?!! Screw that, I'll find a different group or worse yet.... leave the 2A community altogether. :( -Randy
@@At3tactical This is why I love your channel and AT3 Tactical, it is for 2A guys that know what they need, not what they want... When I saw your video on converting and AR15 to a 9mm, I smashed that Sub button! Funny story... first AR I assembled I put the front irons backwards, MAN I did not hear the end of that 🤣
@@ofromda860I was three years into my AR game before someone caught me with an optic mounted backwards. Jokes on them.. I had two optics that were on backwards 😅. It happens ✌🏾
A $ 400 rifle will kill just as well as a 4 rifle ..Same goes shaming for type Of ammo used . Ask a person to volunteer as a target with out body armor . See how well they take a shot from a 400 gun.
I saw a meme once that said, "Rather than own a $3000 AR15 and have no training, own a $700 AR15 and get $2300 in training" I completely agree. Back in the mid to late 90's, I owned a budget rifle, but I took that rifle to all kinds of training classes. I was on a LEO budget, and I ran with that until I could afford better.
Before my dad passed away he had me list his trucks old tires and rims. I traded them for a Great Lakes AR. Either the tires sit around and never get used or I get a rifle to play around with. It’ll also be a great platform to train my daughter how to shoot and be comfortable with guns versus her very first gun to shoot, a 30-06.
As an anime fan, I felt this. Lol. Every community has its gatekeepers and shamers, or, as I like to call them what they are; snobs. You were right on the money, saying that kind of attitude is "anti-grow". As people who enjoy things, whether guns or anime, we should want as many people to come into the fold as possible. I've spent a lot of money on budget guns, whole or build(ish). (Not done a complete build, yet.) For that money, I've gotten more guns than what the snobs have gotten. And, I trust EVERY one of them with my life. Hell, just built an AR-9 pistol, with a KVP upper, a PSA lower, and various parts/accessories from around the web. Whatever was cheap (in cost), that I researched, and put together for less than 800 bones. That includes 3 PMag/Endomag combos, and Mean Arms new Exomags that I'm still waiting on! My philosophy is simple: Go as cheap as possible, but well researched, because even high end stuff fails. It's cheaper to buy 2 (or 3 or 4) whole new budget guns, than 1 high end. Ergo, cheaper to fix/replace. Plus, most snob wannabes aren't the operators they think they are. They're mostly basement dwelling, fedora wearing, neck beards, who are only going to get close to anything tactical by playing COD. (Army vet, OIF, myself, and I know the M4 I carried was no DDM4.) Whatever works, is reliable, is what matters most, if you should need it. With lower costs, you can afford to play around more, and figure out what works. Oh, and what the hell, I have even bought off Amazon, and have been blown away by the cheap stuff on there. Particularly by some optics, and gear by Monstrum. Can't even knock Amazon. Lol.
Oh, I also save my money for the things I know that I can't get cheap, generally. As a fan of the "Old West", who dresses in a mix of modern and period authentic, as my normal non-work wear, I'll just say that stuff ain't cheap. Plus, I've got the guns and gun belts to go along with the attire. They ain't cheap, either. Every cent that I save on modern guns, gets me closer to that new (replica) Schofield, or even better, a new (replica) Spencer or (replica) Sharps! Now, if only I could afford the real ones!!
🤔 well said ...I too served in the Army (19D ) And my Colt M4A1 wasn't pretty, but it was functional, which is literally the most important aspect! 👍 I'm not a fan of "gun snobs "either lol... I think it basically comes from INSECURITY 🤷♂️.
@@blackticalmayhem8461 Yeah, definitely insecurity. Or, as I like to say, LDS. Oh, and I'm 19K. When in doubt, shoot... nah... shake the hand of a scout! Cav for life!
It's so funny how this snobbery crosses all "hobbies" & special interests, regardless of the topic. Tells me more about human behavior more than anything else. 😉 P.S.- LOVE the period wear!! Big fan of the days gone bye... Men being tough as nails... Law being enforced by morality... I missed my time period! 🤣 -Randy
We are loosing more hunters every year. No sense in budget shaming. I made my own snow shoes. And all my traps came from garage sales. I buy friends hunting licenses so have friends to hunt with. Gotta buy ever one at bear/archery deer camp a non kill license for bear. I would like a $$$ thermal scope for coyote hunting. Most of my hunting equipment is antique it was vintage when I first got it. My hunting bag is WWII surplus rucksack. That extractor o ring is a pain in the cold. Even froze gun oils to make sure they weren't syrup a negative temps.
Im looking forward to seeing your muzzle device comparison vid. I like & use the a2 flash hiders on everything. I tried a 3 prong flash hider but it made the ping tuning fork ringing. I didn't like it
Funny when 90% of this stuff made in same place when you work with brands you find out quick some people use same stuff different name and co sumer is clueless from food to tvs and medical equipment smh
The rounds don’t know how much you paid for the tool,and when the round hits the enemy it doesn’t matter to him if you spent 300 or 3000 for the tool. You treat the tool good and it will work good for you. More money doesn’t mean better.
If it runs I dont care how little it cost. Reliability is my one and only requirement in my firearms. I will own any brand, any budget price, as long as it runs reliably. Companies like psa, at3, leapers utg pro, and tacticon, are far more valuable to this community than wilson combat and daniel defense. You can build a nicer ar pattern rifle better suited to you, than you can buy off the shelf, my 2 cents ❤
I watched a vid of a Daniel defense on full auto rupture the barrel after 600 rnds I understand that chances of u ever having to run 600 rounds on full auto will probly never happen but I'm not sure my gen 1 sig m400 isn't a better rifle at half the price or just as good got my sub 💯✊️
Doubt it was the barrel. More like the gas tube. It’s pretty hard to bust a Chf barrel. More than likely if the barrel busted it was more the ammo and less the gun. Probably a squib that wasn’t caught, then fired the next round with one round already plunging the barrel.
Sorry but I had to add another comment here. I understand that China is not one of our allies, but if it should come to an actual armed confrontation between the American citizenship and China we can use the affordable tools they sell to us against them. How ironic would that be? Sure, it'd be great if we could all afford to mount Trijicon Acogs on all of our guns but rather than wait until we can spend $1,200 or more on a single optic why not get into the game with more affordable options as long as that gets us into the game?
Get an aim point pro, if that’s too much get a holosun 403. Or get a vortex razor, can’t afford that get a vortex viper. Don’t be a cheap fucc and get the garbage strike eagle or 50 dollar scope wot the eye relief of a drunken pirate that the knobs fall off by looking at it
@@HatsuneM1ku01 I picked up at Holosun 515GT-GR and it's every bit as good as an Aimpoint with more features. If you look into the specs it's even go a higher g force rating and can withstand submersion down to 30 meters under water. It's titanium construction may be a bit overkill since that makes it tougher than any rifle you'd ever mount it on but I love it. For about the price of an Aimpoint Pro it blows it and even a T2 out of the water. I also have other lower cost Holosun models and even they haven't disappointed.
I have a bcm and a psa, the bcm is Miles better in terms of quality. The psa didn’t even get the edges of the receiver deburred, and the front sights come canted half the time. Stop coping so hard
Firearms community reminds me of the motorcycle community... A meet up typically has half a dozen Hyabusas and R-1s, twenty custom Harleys, and the token Ducati with 900 miles on it. All posturing to be king of the parking lot. THEN there the few beater rat bikes that get shit on by the people who never go over 50 on their two wheeled rocket or can afford the expensive sled. Those taped together old Japanese irons are ridden and wrenched on constantly. The guys that ride those are typically better riders because they actually ride the f-ing things. Shitting on me because I have $20 dollar iron sights from Amazon as compared to your Sig factory irons is ridiculous. They are the same thing.
No they literally are not, go buy an nc star iron sight and tell me how well they hold up and zero compared to a psa/colt forged iron sight. They are not even remotely the same. And your airsoft Amazon red dot that doesn’t hold zero and disintegrates when bumped isn’t even remotely close to an aim point pro or holosun 403. Stop spreading bull shit and buy duty quality shit and stop being a cheap fucc with a bunch of garbage rod with canted sights that don’t shoot straight and don’t zero. You come off as a just point and shoot and just slap parts on your rifle without dialing it in.
@@HatsuneM1ku01 Master, is that you? The Legendary "One who knows all about firearms"?? Please forgive me for having a differing opinion. PLEASE waste more of your time scribbling off shit no one cares about just to try to make yourself feel like an expert. It's fun watching people embarrass themselves. I got you for you, Ford trucks are better than Chevy. Have fun with that.
I bought a cheaper acog on eBay a few years ago. It doesn't take batteries, the fiber optic on top illuminates it with even a tiny amount of light. The reticle is etched so you can still use it without any light. Glass is pretty clear. I love that damn thing. It holds zero & works excellent. I couldn't bring myself to pay for a legit acog. Not when I can get something so close that's a fraction of cost!
The issue is people not having the mechanical skills to actually check the stuff they buy. While lot of parts out there that state “mill spec” that aren’t. Its not all that difficult to measure the parts against know AR15/M16 mill specification prints. Doesn’t matter what the brand is.. Those who know the least typically talk the most! Stop entertaining discussions regarding things like “quality” from people that don’t have the slightest experience in quality control measures.
If that percentage of gun owners that are budget shaming, think that about people on a budget. then what are they saying about those of us that HiPoint is top tier expensive. those of us that have to buy the less than budget priced products (the Chinesiam knock-offs if you will) then what is it called when firearms manufacturers, dealer, and shops, don't even care or look out for those of us, that can't even afford budget priced firearms & firearm products?
Built a m4a1 clone off a psa upper and lower and i think it was less about $500 with a microbest bcg, romeo 5, quad rail, and broomstick. That's tax shipping(was free during a special for lower) and $55 transfer fee. Shoots 1inch groups at 50yds bag rested (with a red dot if i had some magnificantion I'd take it to 100yds for an accurate moa group testing) using pmc xtac 55gr. Still haven't tested a bunch of ammo through it yet either. No complaints. Got one of their ar 10s in 308 and it was under 800 for everything and a couple mags. Up to about 1300 with optic and bipod and furniture, but that shoots .75-1 moa all day. Psa makes some decent stuff for sure. Issue is most people buying their stuff aren't as knowledgeable or willing to test out different ammo to see what it likes.
Now I know I’m asking an a lot but I would love to know some of your guys favorite brands and companies to buy from and work with, meaning quality and customer service is top notch. I personally hate bad customer service and do not like buying expensive products if they’re not backed by quality people and customer service
If we're talking ARs I genuinely enjoy Cmmg parts for a decent mix of quality, style and price. Solid mid-tier that has a fantastic lower parts kit. Aero would be the go to popular choice, they took a dip in QC in 2020 like many, but they're going strong now. Just a couple suggestions there. But if I was to say how can you get the most for your money. Pair an complete Bcm upper with a complete lwrc Ambi lower for 1500-1700 total depending on the site you get them from and it won't be lacking in quality or modern features, period.
@yqtszhj 1500 is pretty normal for a ar build haha, I have two guns I built with BCM uppers, lower parts and including a optic and light for like 1600. Nice psa uppers are going for like 800 something now, you think 1500 is too much to spend on a rifle that will last you 10 plus years? 😂
No, not the end. We must Shame Harder. We bring each other up to a better standard by bullying the weak. Leave that "Every ones a winner!" BS behind for the children. This is a dangerous Lethal hobby for adults, You Cannot Be Lax with standards and scrutiny. Its shameful anyone tries to argue other wise.
Look everyone.... we found one. An institutionalized, holy-er than thou....shoots better than everyone because the money spent.... less than 1% member of the larger 2A Community. 🙄. Please, do better and try harder to justify your position/opinion. I hope it includes sales data, competition analysis, customer satisfaction numbers...and everything else it would take to argue your point against the greater intent behind these conversations. I'm prepared to present...are you? -Randy
@@At3tacticalrandy, my bcm with an aim point pro is Miles better than your Amazon special. Both have Leo and military combat records to back them too. bye Felicia. Your radical/bca/psa with Amazon red dots and red anodized parts struggle to make it past a range trip. Cope
Collecting guns is a hobby preparing for the rise and inevitable surmounting tyranny that is present in our world is not a hobby it's a necessity in a duty to all citizens but yet I digress when you're just business man wanting to sell it sell cheap shit and make Capital off of people's inability sometimes to afford to fight to prepare to prepare for that tyranny etcetera but yeah I digress as a businessman who cares right you don't care businessman capitalists with no scruples whatsoever who are just greedy bastards and will sell you the cheap snake oil or the enemy of the gun industry or the enemy of the citizen who knows his real rights and responsibilities to his country so that being said that's a shame I thought 83 was better than that but maybe they're just hobbyists and jerks who just want to make money off of people but I digress not saying that other companies don't want to make money as well but that's unfortunate because that has nothing to do with a real meaning of selling weapons to citizens who want to be prepared and ready to defend himself against whatever threat may arise
Wow.... I just love this idea that "Guns are not a hobby" or " Guns are not for fun"... Personally, I call B.S.! The thought that those who don't buy/own guns for purposes of Tyranny protection ONLY, is extremely antiquated and mostly propped up by public figures who think their opinion matters more than anyone else's. Are you going to stand there and tell me that you've never ever went to the range for "Fun". You've never cracked a smile at the range...because God forbid shooting starts to feel like a hobby and you just want more & more? Again, I call B.S. but we're all entitled to an opinion. Our opinions don't align here, but that's fine as well. I'm glad you chimed in, honestly. -Randy
@@At3tacticalbro you are coping so hard in these comments it’s actually embarrassing even worse the fact you use your “military experience” to upsale your shit
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I've always found the budget shaming kinda funny because "Military Grade" just means cheap but functional
Mil spec scam that’s why sks’s are going for $1000 plus, it’s bc it’s “Military Grade!”😅😅😅😅bs bs bs
Which still means it’s pretty good and passes all the military test and trials. The military didn’t just go with the cheapest garbage they could buy
Before I ever got into guns this much now, I have no idea how firearms work. Yes, I know the basics but that it.... Now, after building 2 AR's this last few months I know the guns and every part to them and know what every part does. Building your own guns makes your knowledge that much better about firearms..... Budget is what you are able to get with what resources you have.... everyone's budget is different....
Much love Michael D.!!
-Randy
thanks Randy! @@At3tactical
Best thing I’ve learned from the community, Do Your Own Research…
Build what you like. It will be more satisfying to you. I’ve done more than 30 builds and they all function the way I want. More money does not make it shoot any better.
I once was a member of Trout Unlimited and was frequently forced to debate budget vs. expensive name brand gear.
I always said, "The fish don't care what your gear says on it."
The same goes for your enemy.
I like to compare firearms to a Baseball Bat. You can spend $400 on a Bat or $50. Unless you are at a high level, the problem is not the Bat, it is the Batter.
Absolutely! And how many of those guy can hit or even take a shot over 200-300 yards? Not many! I'll stick to saving on my rifle and putting money into ammo and training. No sense in having a $5000 firearm if you can't buy ammo to train with.
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A budget build just allows for more ammo, accessories & range time. Unless you’re a SOCOM operator, you don’t need a hyper expensive setup.
😂😂 you're 100% correct!! I am a fan of my Aimpoint Pro, though, but only because that's what I used in the Army!!
Great video. One thing that gets me is when you have some of these guys review a budget AR without any malfunctions and they might even go as far as to show that they shot tight groups with it but they still can't recommend it for home defense or duty use. I understand what's important in a rifle that you can stake your life on and many of the budget line of guns meet all of those criteria. In law enforcement for example, why does the gun have to have a cold hammer forged barrel when shooting out barrel won't happen overnight, and even if you do that's not a reliability issue; the accuracy will not go from sub MOA to shooting 3" groups overnight anyway. In truth, by the time anyone might begin to notice any accuracy issues with, say a nitrided barrel they'll probably already have more than one rifle in their collection.
Another issue some have with "low end" rifles is that the BCG may not have the gas key properly staked with grade 3 fasteners, or it may not be made with carpenter 158 steel and so on but even at that I'd rather have something that I can afford than to have nothing at all and how difficult is it to upgrade a BCG at a later time anyway? As to barrels, I'm not saying that there aren't certain advantages to CHF barrels or other upgrades that can be included with higher end rifles, but the lack thereof doesn't necessarily preclude a rifle from being "duty grade". Frankly, I'd rather have 3 decent rifles that can get the job done than to have only one rifle with all the bells and whistles. PSA comes to mind when considering low cost but reliable rifles, and if for instance a CHF barrel means a lot to you, they offer FN barrel options as well. That being said, one can start with a bare bones rifle and upgrade to a pre-assembled upper with a CHF barrel later, or if they have she skill they can simply upgrade the barrel at a later time. That's one of the great things about the AR platform, one can start with something to get them into the game and gradually make upgrades over time.
All this to say that for someone to say that a budget rifle or handgun can't be used for personal defense, home defense or even for duty purposes is a farce. Just my two.
I spent years building cars and bikes and recently started building guns. I learned a lot from the AT3 videos as well as others. I made the mistake of joining some "AR" groups on the facebook and the budget shaming began, what a joke!!!! I have never been "budget shamed" at the range.
The 2A community on Facebook especially is so toxic
So your saying you’d rather have the eBay turbo over the garret? But but a turbo is a turbo would be the same implication here. And we all know eBay turbos are trash. Buy quality weapons and parts and stop cheating out on something you literally would use to defend your life. Just like car parts you could pay for an Anderson/psa/ bca/ radical and get monkey level wuality like a ebay turbo, or you could spend some good money of something like a bcm with a aerospace quality and qc like the garret turbo.
We all know what the bogie stuff is but the ones in the know realize that it all boils down to function for your needs. I've fired $700 rigs all the way up to $3,000 rigs and I never saw a $2,200 difference in performance..
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Triggers make a difference, it really depends on what you use you rifle for. Competition, self defense, range toy or hunting.
Flattest shooting rifle I've ever shot had a ultradyne Apollo max comp and a kynshot hydraulic buffer. That was a $270 upgrade for stock parts.
@boscowang3422 I don't know what all that means but I shoot a 2 moa at a hundred yards with a saint victor box stock and a $100 at3 red dot all day and I'm as happy as a pig in shit.
It all comes down to what your paying for, when you buy higher tier manufacturers your buying better qc. Your more likely to have issues and a bunch of out of spec parts on a psa or Anderson than your are on something like a bcm. Psa and Anderson pretty much literally machine and slap their rifle together like monkeys and only inspect 1 or 2 parts from a whole batch of parts. where a company like bcm quite literally has an aerospace level qc and inspection department and pretty much inspects all those parts and rifles and checks that everything meets standards before leaving the factory.
@@HatsuneM1ku01But my PSA still shoots 1-2 moa with 2000 rounds through it and not one malfuction
I stop caring about budget shaming when I found out that most of the gun tubers promoting high end gear were getting their gear sent to them for review or they actually work for/own an FFL so obtaining the equipment is not a big problem for them.
This is a video about why it's okay to not spend a lot of money and you should buy budget products from companies like at3. From the owner of at3. Give me a more direct form or promotion.
@@codegumby I know….I’m just saying I stop worrying about what the Chads think and started staying within my means.
All the shaming comes from the 'wanna be' tactical crowd....the basement CQB, one-man team leaders. The real former high-speed guys, and typical firearms instructors will tell you to just train with what you have.
My favorite build is my 300 Blackout pistol made with a hodgepodge of parts from AT3, PSA, DTT and second hand. Total cost was less than $800 including the optic. It's all different shades of grey and black, but makes it look cool IMO.
What a great freaking video. All my ar style rifles/pistols are from palmetto state. I have had zero issues. When pin strikes the primer it make a boom everytime. I have a 1x prisim from primary arms, i have a 1-6 Lpvo from primary arms that is on my patrol rifle…yes i am law enforcement, i also have another 1-6 lpvo from monstrum. I like affordable equipment that works great! I have been eyeballing some of the optics from at3. Came across the website a few weeks ago. Im pretty impressed. Not sure which optic to get, gotta be careful with my astigmatism, need something that i can see…….
I love my budget builds! I love upgrading my bushmaster m4's! Smooth actions, accurate, and reliable! Retro! Current m4 clone's , same! Awesome rifles!❤
I'm a quad rails & broom handle kind of guy 😂
I have $2500 "top tier" ARs, $1200-$1500 "mid tier" and several $500 "Poor's tier" rifles. My top 3 "go to" are a mid a two Poor's tier rifles! My Gucci $2500 AR isn't even in my top 10! My Go To War AR is a $450 80% home built 14.5"!
Spend your money on a GOOD barrel and BCG, watch your tolerance stacking and you are golden! The brand of upper or lower means LESS than nothing and a decent milspec LPK is just fine. The heart of the rifle is the BCG and barrel so don't skimp on them. Get a good BCM, SOL or other quality BCG and Ballistic Advantage makes some damn good barrels for a good price.
I've owned 600 rifles before and i have a rifle that is 3000+. The difference is massive.
@@codegumby secondly, How old are you? I find it HARD to believe that you’ve owned 600 rifles! Even if you HAVE and you think a $3k rifle makes you better? You should have spent all that money on ammo and training! I’ve been a smith for 20 years and can build a better rifle for 1/3 the cost. Hell! Every $800-$1000 COLT is just as good or better than the over priced “top tier” ARs! The contract Colts are the best commercial rifle on the market!
Obviously meant $600. And yeah they're way better. Fit and finish is better. Features are better. Sorry to break it to you but I don't miss my PSA build. Everyone has got to start somewhere but acting like they're the same is dumb.
@@codegumby it wasn’t “obvious” when you wrote “I have owned 600 rifles” you didn’t use a dollar sign, but whatever.
I will also disagree that ANY rifle’s “fit and finish” is worth $2000 more than a MID TIER rifle! Outside of static shooting at the range, I will take a $800-$900 Colt LE6920 over any “Top Tier” rifle I can think of. Even a DD or Knights! And I love DD and Knights! I have both but they are no better than a Colt half the price!
Bottom line, I don’t give 2 shits what someone prefers or wants to spend their money on, just don’t spew the “how much better they are” BS! Fit and finish doesn’t mean snot in a firefight! The BCG and Barrel are the heart of the rifle! Forged uppers and lowers are all made in the same handful of forges and furniture is furniture. You can do the same work with a PSA that you can with a DD, period. Especially a PSA with the FN barrel!
Owned 2 PSA rifles and they were both garbage after about 6+ months. If you're happy with some bottom dollar stuff good for you. I'll never go back to trying to build/ buy a rifle for as cheap as I can.
Buy what you can afford. No shame. I have a 5000 dollar HK SP5 build partnered with a P365 X macro that I think is best for home defense.....I also own a Taurus GX4 that I think is great. Protect yourselves even if it a SCCY 9mm handgun. We all need to stand together
When youre learning to build, start with "the basic" parts. Once youre officially hooked, youll build em all. Budget, bougie, and everything in between.😂
Randy, I appreciate your laid back approach to the education of firearms without complimentary agendas. As a newcomer to this world I can’t thank you enough for your videos and knowledge. I’m sold on buying from AT3 if gents like you work there. Many thanks.
Hey, Steve... Thank you. Honestly, as I'm guessing you picked up on, my ultimate reward is knowing that the information is understandable & helpful. (Of course, with a little bit of smarta$$ because.... "Why. So. Serious?!" 😅)
Thank YOU! -Randy
People shit on Diamondback but I really like my DB15. I’ve swapped out a ton of things on it over the years and it’s never failed me. But even without upgrading anything it was still a decent enough rifle to get you through. The truth is as technology keeps getting better and better the price of manufacturing comes down and things get cheaper. You don’t need to spend 1,500 on a rifle to be dependable anymore.
I dont understand the hate on Diamondback either, they are very reliable. No issues for me
@@llnaanll From everything I’ve read they had a bunch of QC issues when they first started. But after a while it seems things smoothed out and have been fine for a while now, but people still think they’re unreliable. I dunno. Never a single malfunction with mine. Granted I’ve not put 15k rounds through mine like most people claim they have lol, but still.
I think it comes from people needing to be "The Man" when it comes to firearms. I have low cost guns that are very valuable, that's not something you hear everyday. I have hunted gun shops, gun shows and pawn shops weekly for decades and fine all kinds of things. It's pre-ban guns and accessories that I'm after, not new crap you can order online new.
I just started looking at getting an AR, might just get a cheap PSA after watching this
Keep up the great content!!!
Holy smokes! I was thinking that Randy looked like...well...Randy from my reef channel/company. Give me a well-deserved "derp" for this one. I, too, used to be in the aquarium/reef industry (still am a hobbyist) and do lots of gun stuff for pay now. I have some cha-ching l/r builds (Radion xr-15), but I still love seeing my friends rocking black Friday builds(AI Prime). I have them, too. Good on ya for calling out the 'Gate Keepers."
Found me!! Haha. Absolutely, Man. It's systemic of the human condition more than anything else. It transcends all topics of personal interests. 😉
All I can say is stay off of Reddit. They’ll shame you for not running Radian lowers, but you’d better run the $100 Microbest BCG instead of the $250 Radian one.
They’re such a mixed bag of people out there.
It gets pretty old after while, right?
@@At3tactical - If you’re not building 100% correct clones, or picking one particular hive mind part, they’re on your ass.
I got massively downvoted for suggesting Radian blem BCG’s for $130.
@@KelzCasa😂😂😂👍
Sad part is alot of the budget shame here and on Facebook is most of the time is other UA-camrs! There is one specifically that works for a firearms company that his group literally attacked me and was screenshotting stuff from my personal profile. Lost all respect for him that day and will no longer buy from his company. I really appreciate what you said today. The 2A space should be a place we come together not trying to flex because you spent more money. You know what they say about guys with big trucks.... same thing with the guys that need to flex cuz the spent more money. Thanks for what you do Randy and thanks for treating all of us with respect!!
most of the trolls work for the high end gun companies that are losing sales to companies like psa. If someone like me buys 9 psa rifles then that is around 3 guns that the top tier companies could have sold me.
Whew...that's a heavy praise my Man. Really hits the feelers. I appreciate your support! It's time for a change 'round here ... I'll be the Huckle-Bearer! 💪💪
-Randy
@At3tactical you're very welcome . We have an AR group on FB now that shaming is not allowed at all and will be instant ban frome the group. It is really nice. And the builds are across the board from budget to high end. But attitudes have to be left at the door! It is a great group!!
Its not that people have budget builds and get shamed. Its that so many people with budget builds do stupid things to their rifles like putting amazon canted iron sights, or they put red paint and punisher skulls all over it.
I feel you but at the same time, to each their own. Their money, their choice.
So your budget shaming… or build shaming yet their money their time their hobby ….
As long as they aren’t causing me problems I could care less what they do
@SpencerPhillips-py4wx some things are objectively just bad/dumb. Some things are just true. And what you mean to say is you "couldn't care less"
Where does it come from? The YOUNGER generation! I have really started seeing this gear elitist attitude build over the last 10 years and explode over the last 5! Ever since the younger generation started coming of age in the community. Us older guys will never shame someone for how much they can afford to spend on a rifle.
10 years ago it was all the boomers doing the shaming now you're on the other end and don't like it
@@codegumby first off, I’m NOT a “boomer”! That would be my parents I’m GenX and don’t give a shit what gear you use. I also have NEVER been “shamed” by a Boomer. I grew up pre-86 when we could go into gun shops and pick full auto MAC10s off the wall! Or have our ARs or even 10/22s converted! The Boomers I grew up around had all the good toys and loved to share.
i wish i could have been live with you all.. u speaketh the truth.. i built a cheap rifle set, - my 1st one i ever built.. i reload my ammo as well, and using my 20 yrs from the Marines infantry.. I truly beat and beat and pushed it down.. and i used a PAMAX X-Slick BCG.. and healthy amount of CLP.. 2 yrs later, thousands of rnds.. dirt, mud, snow..etc.. it is still kicking and very effective at 300yrds.. budget shaming,..is just a way people shill for money.. we all just need to be happy people are partaking in the 2A and keeping it alive..
Still, good to see you after the live! Yeah, it's interesting that the budget shamers think that lower cost inherently means "snake in the grass". The CEO of PSA was just on GOA Podcast (holy-crap acronyms); sharing the same sentiment....He's just focused on getting more firearms into more American's hands and the best way to achieve that...lower the cost. Adding cost to that process does NOT scream "on the up-and-up" to me... maybe it's time to take a deeper look into who's the actual snake in the grass out there.
****Dang, I hope I didn't hurt feelings with that comment! HAHA!
-Randy
Thanks for coming on! Always great to hang out!!
Always a good time, my Man!
20 years ago an AR15 was a $200 (in realality) today the technology has not changed. The basic AR15 is at best is a $400 gun. However just like a car, you can have that dally driver or you can have that dream car. If your AR does what you want you don't need to impress the SILLY people.
psa and at3 have been my go for the past couple months. I was an optics planet guy but Ive got caught with ordering stuff a couple times and it not be in stock. That got my angry to many times, so Ive decided to expand my horizon and the at3 youtube videos grabbed me. The website is amazing!
What I have a problem with is people associating and brandishing a brand product as better or the best product, because of the name/brand on a product. Which is pretty much the same thing y'all are talking
My best experience at the range is out shooting the "Equipment Snobs" with my "Budget" firearm. I have successfully accomplished this with my "entry level" AR-15, my
"Home Built" AR, as well as my "Budget" sidearms. Now, while I may not have a lifetime "Warranty" with my "Home Built", I know how it goes together and how it works.
By all means, research and compare. In the end, if it works and does what you need it to do then don't worry about what others say.
Thank you for this video. Iv recently been pondering this topic and notice there aren’t a lot of videos on it. For me personally. It doesn’t matter as long as there is SOME type of stability. Like you don’t want to loose zero after you drop it or shoot 30 rounds but just because you buy a 3000 dollar guitar doesn’t mean you can play or shred.
Dude.... Fantastic analogy! Just because you buy everything Tiger Woods uses, down to the detail....doesn't mean you're joining the tour. (Not in this lifetime!)
-Randy
That's the thing. a LOT of those sub $100 optics do exactly that. they lose 0 from shooting it, let alone dropping it. You're talking to someone who bought a bunch of them, swearing up and down that there must be some magic company that can do the same thing as the other companies for cheaper. It took a guy at the range watching me, and offering to help me 0 my rifle to show me that cheap optics don't work. He put my rifle on his sled, and showed me everything he was doing, and we determined that the optic would change 0, ever so slightly after every shot. So I could 0 it, and shoot, and would end up with 8 inch groups. I switched to an optic from a more expensive company, and my groups dropped to 2 inches at 100 yards.
It’s so aggravating I can afford super expensive gear and choose not to I don’t care the brand name as long as it works
That's a good way to be 🤝
A lot of the shamers will say reliability is their reason. I agree with you two gentlemen that people should welcome everyone, not just the bougie.
Buy four or five for their one high price rifle ..A truck Gunn that's 400 is not as bad a loss as a 4 k truck gun if it gets stolen
I cannot stand the “I bought the best”. I swear those guys have shit that breaks all the time. There is no such thing as “the best”
Exactly best for you!!
Excepts go get an aim point pro or he’ll even a holosun 403 and compare it to a jus as good Amazon red dot. Buy duty quality gear and stop being poor
Never heard of AT3 till now (thanks to EagleRun23 👌) gave a follow
Welcome aboard! Glad to have you along.
To be frank, "budget" is a nebulous term that doesn't mean much. "Cost Effective" which is what were all really after, probably ought to be the term. A lot of cost effective stuff that can take some serious freaking abuse.
I think budget shaming comes from dumbasses that want to justify blowing their mortgage on half a rig. Cheers t9 the content gents! Love the shop Randy! AT3 customer for LIFE! 🇺🇸🤘 #ARJunkie #2ARights #RepealNFA #supportGOA #supportFPC #SupportSAF
Budget shamers are also gear snobs. I can't tell you how many times I get sh!t on for running rechargable Olights on all my guns, lol... Maybe we should create a new Fudd categorie called "budget fudds".
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I like that one 😂😂
Bro, olights are literally chainesium lights for air soft guns and there are countless instances of them exploding and melting shit. Poors will poor though.
You could literally get a stream light for a little bit more that’s is actually duty proven but y’all still chose to go with olight which is known to have a ton of issues
comments like this right here is why y’all get made fun of because y’all literally defend actual crap tooth and nail and stand on that hill. The Amazon red dot guys are just as bad lol
With chinese parts still on the market, I think there should be a distinction between, budget US made, and budget foreign. The chineseium ARs are junk
I run a budget lr 308 meaning sub 700$. I hunted with old cva muzzle loader 7+lbs and heirloom single shots for over 20 years. The real budget arms. Step up to a scoped muzzle loader handgun and lr 308 so not taking heirlooms out in fowl weather. Still want to upgrade my 1994 Oneida bow, but $$$$. Spent over 380$ for my complete cmmg upper. Cheap sights and red dot made by American veterans. My 3+ year old kitchen appliances still have made in America stickers on them. I open carry at camp an 1851 as backup bear protection and spray.
The less that you understand about firearms and gun smithing the more likely you are to buy Gucci guns for fear of it not working properly (small common issue) and you not being able to fix the issue yourself.
The more you understand , the more likely you wouldnt buy a bca/radical/Anderson/psa and you would buy a bcm. Your comment tells me you don’t actually understand.
@@HatsuneM1ku01 more magical metal right? The key is better machine work to spec and the kind of trigger and piston buffer to make it feel as good as the more expensive guns. That's the difference between the cheaper lowers and the more expensive ones. You can buy your own trigger, bcg, and buffer system to be just as fancy.
@@HatsuneM1ku01 You should be able to check your gas block to see if it was dimpled properly and the set screws have the right high temperature adhesive. Are you doing that with your rifles? You should also be able to use basic metal working tools to fix any tolerance issues. You should also be able to install your own barrel, gas block, and gas tube. Gammas need real men to do these things for them. Real men should be able to disassemble and build their rifles or change out parts. Most people who buy from PSA know how to do these things. Don't be one of these gammas who don't know how to work on their tools or vehicles.
i think the budget that people use to mean cheap is the wrong definition. a BUDGET is a limit imposed on spending. someones budget can be $500 or $1000 or $5000. its situational
I am casually posting on my own budget channel content that is mostly pertinent to low budget firearms. I'm a fan of AT3 Tactical products as well as PSA and Anderson and AERO.
Start with a small budget and you can always upgrade later.
I mean budget has its place but budget parts have been known to fail, been proven time and again. Maybe as spare parts or a spare upper. And why is budget used in the same sentence for life preserving equipment, that’s why most people have a ar as a defensive tool.. all lowers are pretty much the same, if you can’t spend 800-1000 on an upper then save until you can. BCM, PWS, Sons of liberty are all go to companies that have uppers for under 1k. Psa has uppers that are in that price range now too. Sure budget stuff is good for range use but I wouldn’t want to depend my life on it in a defensive situation.
Randy keep it rolling man. Can't wait for a year full of amazing content! I'm up to 40 aquariums, and probably 40 guns too... And all the goodies in between. Gotta work hard to have hobbies lol
Thanks, Man!!
It all started from free fish tanks, crappy homemade stands, hammy down rifles/shotguns. For some reason I just always needed more. But that's the awesome part! I still enjoy my budget set ups almost as much as my super high end ones. Hope you have a great New Year brother!! Maybe we get some good change and our home will settle back down. I'm getting sick of how hard it is to find my favorite rounds, and the rate aquarium still is increasing is insane. Has to be a change soon or we may fall
Salt water fish guys will always let you know they have salt water tanks, and that it's expensive. Never fails.
@@johnf817 lol I'm into freshwater fish mainly. Only a couple salt tanks. Most of my tanks don't even have lights. I use them to breed cool fish to sell to fund my hobbies. It's expensive bc of volume. And bullets are $0.50-$5 a shot. So even a small rage day is expensive.
Never fails, smooth brains love to argue and troll on the Internet. Most of them have nothing better to do. And they never have any idea what they are talking about. Look around, the price of everything is expensive now. I'm always amazed at how much smooth brains like to argue on the Internet.. I hope you have a happy New Year brother, might be a good idea to read a few books. And if you don't know ammo is expensive, that tells us how good of a shot you are. 🤣
Great video! I've wanted an AR since the early 80's when I was in the military but never made it happen until about two years ago. I started watching one of the (obviously) well financed series of videos to learn more about how to set up my rifle, learn more about what makes it tick, and get some training tips. I never really thought about it but I frequently left those videos feeling like 'I'm not worthy' or 'there's no way I can keep up with this'. Thanks the enlightenment and making me realize that I'm not alone - subscribed and will be adding all of AT3's videos to my play list!
I’m a new builder who also happens to be a convict. I’ve paid my debt to society yet am still persecuted for decisions that I made in my teens & 20’s. I’m on my 2nd & third builds currently and reside in the Great state of Texas
You def hit it on the nose with the cell phone argument, that's my go to🤣
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Its funny I see this, I have learned a lot about building from the at3 channel, I have some parts from them as well, funny thing, from a couple of ARs I have , my cheaper one just feels better built than my brand name one 😆
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I love the “I don’t buy cheap Chinese crap” people. 😂😂 they use an iPhone and probably drives a Daewoo.
iPhones are hardly cheap dude…
@@mdbizzlpoors will literally find any way to cope with their radical/bca ar that has an Amazon red dot with zeroing issues and jams every other mag, all while saying it’s jus as guud as my bcm which has shot over 5-6k rounds without a hiccup. And the fact it’s pretty common the low tier ars always have issues. It all comes down to, but a duty weapon, not a range toy that you’ve convinced yourself is duty quality that will hold up with duty weapons
To budget is being American. PSA, Aimsurplus, and others are a national treasures.
A couple of data points. Industry secret, many top shelf brands parts are actually oem'd by budget companies. As a dude that used to work in an aerospace machine shop in the quality department that cut parts for a ton of different companies. Is one brand really 5x better and worth 5x the price when the material is sourced from the same place, it's all cut on the same machines and it all runs through the same quality department being checked with the same calipers, the same mics and on the same cmm machines... no. The quality difference at that point is based on marketing not material. Point being the budget shit is way better than its given credit for and the tier 1 shit isn't as much better as the people buying it want to believe. Just as good really is a thing when most of it all comes from the same places. Just facts.
^^ Now here's a man in the "know"....! Thanks for chiming in!
@At3tactical another quick data point... I've spent ALOT of money on guns and gear. For example Norinco NDM86 in 308... only 1500 were imported into the US before the gubment shut down the imports.... anyway, I had a Daniel defense m4a1 that the hammer and trigger pins were slightly out of spec and the barrel wasn't centered in the ris 2 handguard it was off to one side... I'm not saying this to shit on Daniel defense. They are a great company that makes great stuff... I never made a big deal out of it because neither issue cause a functional problem. The rifle functioned flawlessly despite the defects. The point I'm trying to make by saying all that is if a "quality brand" has an issue it's largely brushed by with 'it happens' and 'they have excellent customer service' but if a budget company has a qc issue (even if it's rectified by customer service) it's rock solid evidence that the whole company is trash and will get you killed. I'm sure you've witnessed this phenomenon yourself.
@@maneateroftsavo some of the preban imports were great guns. I own a daewoo k1 sold for 269 dollars and a norinco ak47 that i purchased for 300 dollars and both are fantastic guns
@theintrovertedcalifornian5047 the last NDM-86 in 308 that I saw was over $15k I somehow stole mine at the time I bought it for $4700.
Awesome video of what’s to come!
I just put a new AR-15 together which I’ve been saving for, and I fell more ashamed about how much I spent on it. I won’t say the build I put together cause that would be a dead give away but, I’m feeling ashamed about it.
Liked your comment. This was me in 2020 saving for my first AR and instead of a top tier, I went to a mid tier brand but spent every dime I had on it. Three years later I picked up a less than 600 ar on a sale and that damn thing gets more complements than it's older brother that was over three times as expensive... I get it bro lol
The budget shaming is all about ego, that is toxic ego. Self-centeredness is the root of toxic. I used to shoot at a rifle range, where this was the norm. I was shooting a 1/8" group at 100 yards, while the toxic ones were bragging about hitting a 4-foot target. When dealing with this issue, bring out the golf balls and see how well they can use their crazy expensive gun!
I'm going to call bullshit
@@codegumby So you have issues with my benchrest shooting skills, my profile picture, or the fact that I talk like a COO? My guns are heavy and unlimited class benchrest. The unlimited gun is called a rail gun. You wouldn't believe the trouble a picture of a cowboy creates in social media! This group of Eigenvalue IQ, are the ones that assumes a cowboy hat is a sign of a hick with no education. Have you ever paid attention to Country Music?
Toxic ego...lmfao
@@junderwood6633 Examples of toxic ego: Kids that just graduated from college, that assume they are better than all other humans. Engineers that think they are the bomb, as they want to take over the company after they pass the PE test. People that think money will buy them a place in the upper crust. Life is about what you have been given and how you use it. This isn't talking about living beyond your means or how your friends look at you. To define a leader, you will need to identify the one that is rejected the most. Followers hate leaders as they are a threat to their false position in life. Rejection was a tool when we were teenagers, and we should grow out of that before we turn 40. Usually, raising kids will remove this from your life, as those kids are so self-centered, you know the definition of toxic ego.
Assessing your build or buy is simple and has little to do with how much you spent ;Does it operate reliably?
Can you hit your targets with it?
I love this conversation
I have to correct you Randy, Jassy is my boss now.... Bezos stepped down to float around in space and on his $500 Million dollar boat, sorry I meant yacht😉... Great vid, I stay away from all that "poor vs gucci" talk, I just want to build and shoot reliable rifles! Between Reddit & FB Groups they make you just want to stop building period the min you post your rifle, damn shame
Hahaha! Shows how connected I am... Absolutely Man, it's a damn shame that at 40yrs old....I would have the slightest hesitation about posting pictures of my first AR build to these groups, for fear of this crap! WHAT?!! Screw that, I'll find a different group or worse yet.... leave the 2A community altogether. :(
-Randy
@@At3tactical This is why I love your channel and AT3 Tactical, it is for 2A guys that know what they need, not what they want... When I saw your video on converting and AR15 to a 9mm, I smashed that Sub button! Funny story... first AR I assembled I put the front irons backwards, MAN I did not hear the end of that 🤣
@@ofromda860I was three years into my AR game before someone caught me with an optic mounted backwards. Jokes on them.. I had two optics that were on backwards 😅. It happens ✌🏾
A $ 400 rifle will kill just as well as a 4 rifle ..Same goes shaming for type
Of ammo used . Ask a person to volunteer as a target with out body armor . See how well they take a shot from a 400 gun.
😂😂 true indeed
Don't really much care what others may say to shame my purchase. Unless they buy it for me, then they can put their 2 cents in ( pun intended) lol
CORRECTION: Griffin Armament (Watertown, WI) is one state over.
Even Better!! Thanks for posting this up!
I saw a meme once that said, "Rather than own a $3000 AR15 and have no training, own a $700 AR15 and get $2300 in training" I completely agree. Back in the mid to late 90's, I owned a budget rifle, but I took that rifle to all kinds of training classes. I was on a LEO budget, and I ran with that until I could afford better.
Before my dad passed away he had me list his trucks old tires and rims. I traded them for a Great Lakes AR. Either the tires sit around and never get used or I get a rifle to play around with. It’ll also be a great platform to train my daughter how to shoot and be comfortable with guns versus her very first gun to shoot, a 30-06.
As an anime fan, I felt this. Lol. Every community has its gatekeepers and shamers, or, as I like to call them what they are; snobs. You were right on the money, saying that kind of attitude is "anti-grow". As people who enjoy things, whether guns or anime, we should want as many people to come into the fold as possible.
I've spent a lot of money on budget guns, whole or build(ish). (Not done a complete build, yet.) For that money, I've gotten more guns than what the snobs have gotten. And, I trust EVERY one of them with my life.
Hell, just built an AR-9 pistol, with a KVP upper, a PSA lower, and various parts/accessories from around the web. Whatever was cheap (in cost), that I researched, and put together for less than 800 bones. That includes 3 PMag/Endomag combos, and Mean Arms new Exomags that I'm still waiting on!
My philosophy is simple: Go as cheap as possible, but well researched, because even high end stuff fails. It's cheaper to buy 2 (or 3 or 4) whole new budget guns, than 1 high end. Ergo, cheaper to fix/replace. Plus, most snob wannabes aren't the operators they think they are. They're mostly basement dwelling, fedora wearing, neck beards, who are only going to get close to anything tactical by playing COD. (Army vet, OIF, myself, and I know the M4 I carried was no DDM4.) Whatever works, is reliable, is what matters most, if you should need it. With lower costs, you can afford to play around more, and figure out what works.
Oh, and what the hell, I have even bought off Amazon, and have been blown away by the cheap stuff on there. Particularly by some optics, and gear by Monstrum. Can't even knock Amazon. Lol.
Oh, I also save my money for the things I know that I can't get cheap, generally.
As a fan of the "Old West", who dresses in a mix of modern and period authentic, as my normal non-work wear, I'll just say that stuff ain't cheap. Plus, I've got the guns and gun belts to go along with the attire. They ain't cheap, either. Every cent that I save on modern guns, gets me closer to that new (replica) Schofield, or even better, a new (replica) Spencer or (replica) Sharps! Now, if only I could afford the real ones!!
🤔 well said ...I too served in the Army (19D ) And my Colt M4A1 wasn't pretty, but it was functional, which is literally the most important aspect! 👍 I'm not a fan of "gun snobs "either lol... I think it basically comes from INSECURITY 🤷♂️.
@@blackticalmayhem8461 Yeah, definitely insecurity. Or, as I like to say, LDS.
Oh, and I'm 19K. When in doubt, shoot... nah... shake the hand of a scout! Cav for life!
@@marshalofod1413 🫡🇺🇸
It's so funny how this snobbery crosses all "hobbies" & special interests, regardless of the topic. Tells me more about human behavior more than anything else. 😉
P.S.- LOVE the period wear!! Big fan of the days gone bye... Men being tough as nails... Law being enforced by morality... I missed my time period! 🤣
-Randy
We are loosing more hunters every year. No sense in budget shaming. I made my own snow shoes. And all my traps came from garage sales. I buy friends hunting licenses so have friends to hunt with. Gotta buy ever one at bear/archery deer camp a non kill license for bear. I would like a $$$ thermal scope for coyote hunting. Most of my hunting equipment is antique it was vintage when I first got it. My hunting bag is WWII surplus rucksack. That extractor o ring is a pain in the cold. Even froze gun oils to make sure they weren't syrup a negative temps.
Im looking forward to seeing your muzzle device comparison vid. I like & use the a2 flash hiders on everything. I tried a 3 prong flash hider but it made the ping tuning fork ringing. I didn't like it
Same things with red dots u use it 10000 times to train but not good to carry which u may never use but at range u used it 2yrs no issues smdh
Huh? English please.
And no honey your Amazon red dot isn’t anywhere close to an aim point pro. Hell even a holosun is duty proven.
Funny when 90% of this stuff made in same place when you work with brands you find out quick some people use same stuff different name and co sumer is clueless from food to tvs and medical equipment smh
The rounds don’t know how much you paid for the tool,and when the round hits the enemy it doesn’t matter to him if you spent 300 or 3000 for the tool. You treat the tool good and it will work good for you. More money doesn’t mean better.
If it runs I dont care how little it cost. Reliability is my one and only requirement in my firearms. I will own any brand, any budget price, as long as it runs reliably. Companies like psa, at3, leapers utg pro, and tacticon, are far more valuable to this community than wilson combat and daniel defense. You can build a nicer ar pattern rifle better suited to you, than you can buy off the shelf, my 2 cents ❤
AGREED 👍👍
At the end of the day, if it works when needed and possibly saved your life, then it served it's purpose. 😎🤝
What? Green dot Alpha? I'm gonna get 1!❤
Coming soon!!! (I love it for my astigmatism. Red is dead to me from now on!) -Randy
I have a delton ar15 never had a issue and have run almost 2000 rounds through it. I trust it
I watched a vid of a Daniel defense on full auto rupture the barrel after 600 rnds I understand that chances of u ever having to run 600 rounds on full auto will probly never happen but I'm not sure my gen 1 sig m400 isn't a better rifle at half the price or just as good got my sub 💯✊️
Doubt it was the barrel. More like the gas tube. It’s pretty hard to bust a Chf barrel. More than likely if the barrel busted it was more the ammo and less the gun. Probably a squib that wasn’t caught, then fired the next round with one round already plunging the barrel.
That is what I want to learn. To build my own riffle.
Sorry but I had to add another comment here. I understand that China is not one of our allies, but if it should come to an actual armed confrontation between the American citizenship and China we can use the affordable tools they sell to us against them. How ironic would that be? Sure, it'd be great if we could all afford to mount Trijicon Acogs on all of our guns but rather than wait until we can spend $1,200 or more on a single optic why not get into the game with more affordable options as long as that gets us into the game?
Get an aim point pro, if that’s too much get a holosun 403.
Or get a vortex razor, can’t afford that get a vortex viper. Don’t be a cheap fucc and get the garbage strike eagle or 50 dollar scope wot the eye relief of a drunken pirate that the knobs fall off by looking at it
@@HatsuneM1ku01 I picked up at Holosun 515GT-GR and it's every bit as good as an Aimpoint with more features. If you look into the specs it's even go a higher g force rating and can withstand submersion down to 30 meters under water. It's titanium construction may be a bit overkill since that makes it tougher than any rifle you'd ever mount it on but I love it. For about the price of an Aimpoint Pro it blows it and even a T2 out of the water. I also have other lower cost Holosun models and even they haven't disappointed.
It's most likely jealous idiots malding because they spent more money than someone else for the same or similar thing.
I have a bcm and a psa, the bcm is Miles better in terms of quality. The psa didn’t even get the edges of the receiver deburred, and the front sights come canted half the time. Stop coping so hard
Firearms community reminds me of the motorcycle community... A meet up typically has half a dozen Hyabusas and R-1s, twenty custom Harleys, and the token Ducati with 900 miles on it.
All posturing to be king of the parking lot. THEN there the few beater rat bikes that get shit on by the people who never go over 50 on their two wheeled rocket or can afford the expensive sled.
Those taped together old Japanese irons are ridden and wrenched on constantly. The guys that ride those are typically better riders because they actually ride the f-ing things.
Shitting on me because I have $20 dollar iron sights from Amazon as compared to your Sig factory irons is ridiculous. They are the same thing.
No they literally are not, go buy an nc star iron sight and tell me how well they hold up and zero compared to a psa/colt forged iron sight. They are not even remotely the same. And your airsoft Amazon red dot that doesn’t hold zero and disintegrates when bumped isn’t even remotely close to an aim point pro or holosun 403. Stop spreading bull shit and buy duty quality shit and stop being a cheap fucc with a bunch of garbage rod with canted sights that don’t shoot straight and don’t zero. You come off as a just point and shoot and just slap parts on your rifle without dialing it in.
@@HatsuneM1ku01 Master, is that you? The Legendary "One who knows all about firearms"?? Please forgive me for having a differing opinion.
PLEASE waste more of your time scribbling off shit no one cares about just to try to make yourself feel like an expert. It's fun watching people embarrass themselves.
I got you for you, Ford trucks are better than Chevy. Have fun with that.
I bought a cheaper acog on eBay a few years ago. It doesn't take batteries, the fiber optic on top illuminates it with even a tiny amount of light. The reticle is etched so you can still use it without any light. Glass is pretty clear. I love that damn thing. It holds zero & works excellent. I couldn't bring myself to pay for a legit acog. Not when I can get something so close that's a fraction of cost!
The issue is people not having the mechanical skills to actually check the stuff they buy.
While lot of parts out there that state “mill spec” that aren’t.
Its not all that difficult to measure the parts against know AR15/M16 mill specification prints.
Doesn’t matter what the brand is..
Those who know the least typically talk the most! Stop entertaining discussions regarding things like “quality” from people that don’t have the slightest experience in quality control measures.
If that percentage of gun owners that are budget shaming, think that about people on a budget. then what are they saying about those of us that HiPoint is top tier expensive. those of us that have to buy the less than budget priced products (the Chinesiam knock-offs if you will) then what is it called when firearms manufacturers, dealer, and shops, don't even care or look out for those of us, that can't even afford budget priced firearms & firearm products?
I think a lot of gun shaming starts with you tube channels like school of the American rifle and its fans.
Built a m4a1 clone off a psa upper and lower and i think it was less about $500 with a microbest bcg, romeo 5, quad rail, and broomstick. That's tax shipping(was free during a special for lower) and $55 transfer fee.
Shoots 1inch groups at 50yds bag rested (with a red dot if i had some magnificantion I'd take it to 100yds for an accurate moa group testing) using pmc xtac 55gr. Still haven't tested a bunch of ammo through it yet either. No complaints.
Got one of their ar 10s in 308 and it was under 800 for everything and a couple mags. Up to about 1300 with optic and bipod and furniture, but that shoots .75-1 moa all day.
Psa makes some decent stuff for sure. Issue is most people buying their stuff aren't as knowledgeable or willing to test out different ammo to see what it likes.
Romeo 5 is a reatamped holosun 403. Which has been proven to be duty quality
So is my bear creek side charger a bad build?
If it works reliably NO! 😂
@@blackticalmayhem8461well it has so far. Shoots lights out as well
Now I know I’m asking an a lot but I would love to know some of your guys favorite brands and companies to buy from and work with, meaning quality and customer service is top notch. I personally hate bad customer service and do not like buying expensive products if they’re not backed by quality people and customer service
If we're talking ARs I genuinely enjoy Cmmg parts for a decent mix of quality, style and price. Solid mid-tier that has a fantastic lower parts kit. Aero would be the go to popular choice, they took a dip in QC in 2020 like many, but they're going strong now. Just a couple suggestions there. But if I was to say how can you get the most for your money. Pair an complete Bcm upper with a complete lwrc Ambi lower for 1500-1700 total depending on the site you get them from and it won't be lacking in quality or modern features, period.
I have 2 cheap reddots and i like them ,,,and a cheap sig scope all made in china .....we need china ,don't fool yourself .
Eww
Bravo! Great video.
So PSA premium upper (CHF) vs Nitride regular upper ? 🤔🤷♂️
Premium is nice but nothing wrong with the nitride from psa. Well made
@@cailoebphillips9444 Appreciate that 🤝
The budget shaming too many times comes from those trying to justify the $1500 they spent on an AR to try and make up for skills they do not have.
Lol , definitely...
💯 ..... [Insert Morgan Freeman meme...]
@yqtszhj 1500 is pretty normal for a ar build haha, I have two guns I built with BCM uppers, lower parts and including a optic and light for like 1600. Nice psa uppers are going for like 800 something now, you think 1500 is too much to spend on a rifle that will last you 10 plus years? 😂
@RedForman22 wrong 🙄..$800 for a psa upper? Not at all
@@RedForman22 439.99 All day PSA CHF UPPERS!!!🙄🙄
No, not the end. We must Shame Harder. We bring each other up to a better standard by bullying the weak. Leave that "Every ones a winner!" BS behind for the children. This is a dangerous Lethal hobby for adults, You Cannot Be Lax with standards and scrutiny. Its shameful anyone tries to argue other wise.
🤔... 🤣🤣 .... Yeah, there's zero room for having fun with firearms, right?! (Please ..🙄)
-Randy
this is some serious copium about buying cheap products from a guy who wants to sell you cheap products
Look everyone.... we found one. An institutionalized, holy-er than thou....shoots better than everyone because the money spent.... less than 1% member of the larger 2A Community. 🙄. Please, do better and try harder to justify your position/opinion. I hope it includes sales data, competition analysis, customer satisfaction numbers...and everything else it would take to argue your point against the greater intent behind these conversations.
I'm prepared to present...are you?
-Randy
@@At3tacticalrandy, my bcm with an aim point pro is Miles better than your Amazon special. Both have Leo and military combat records to back them too. bye Felicia. Your radical/bca/psa with Amazon red dots and red anodized parts struggle to make it past a range trip. Cope
SEEKING VALIDATION IS QUER 😂😂😂😂😂😂
If you don't have a F15 Fighter Jet. Your POOR so technically even the Best gun collectors are on a Budget. Great Video! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
Collecting guns is a hobby preparing for the rise and inevitable surmounting tyranny that is present in our world is not a hobby it's a necessity in a duty to all citizens but yet I digress when you're just business man wanting to sell it sell cheap shit and make Capital off of people's inability sometimes to afford to fight to prepare to prepare for that tyranny etcetera but yeah I digress as a businessman who cares right you don't care businessman capitalists with no scruples whatsoever who are just greedy bastards and will sell you the cheap snake oil or the enemy of the gun industry or the enemy of the citizen who knows his real rights and responsibilities to his country so that being said that's a shame I thought 83 was better than that but maybe they're just hobbyists and jerks who just want to make money off of people but I digress not saying that other companies don't want to make money as well but that's unfortunate because that has nothing to do with a real meaning of selling weapons to citizens who want to be prepared and ready to defend himself against whatever threat may arise
Wow.... I just love this idea that "Guns are not a hobby" or " Guns are not for fun"... Personally, I call B.S.! The thought that those who don't buy/own guns for purposes of Tyranny protection ONLY, is extremely antiquated and mostly propped up by public figures who think their opinion matters more than anyone else's. Are you going to stand there and tell me that you've never ever went to the range for "Fun". You've never cracked a smile at the range...because God forbid shooting starts to feel like a hobby and you just want more & more?
Again, I call B.S. but we're all entitled to an opinion. Our opinions don't align here, but that's fine as well. I'm glad you chimed in, honestly.
-Randy
@@At3tacticalbro you are coping so hard in these comments it’s actually embarrassing even worse the fact you use your “military experience” to upsale your shit
I literally just said I'm gonna make a Video like this 😂😂😂😂❤. It's Works It Twerks!
I bought one of your handguards and cheap 100.00 red dot for my AR pistol build and they're great for the money
Awesome to hear! Thanks for the support!
@At3tactical NP. Thanks for good products at cheaper price 👍