MGS2 is a simulation the same way the DMV is a simulation. Its meant to emulate a real world situation. The only thing is Raiden isn't aware it was all set up by the illuminati. Its supposed to be another nature vs nurture theme. Where Solidus is the perfect clone of big boss representing nature, and Raiden trained to be like Snake representing nurture.
Monty saying that he doesn't want to hear about Kingdom Hearts, and that he doesn't want lore dumps being multiple parts to be common is just *chef's kiss*
The simulation in MGS2 is a real life simulation. A field test. I think people's perception of the word "simulation" are so digitized now that the concept of "real life" simulation is such a foreign concept to them...
Important Distinction! Whenever it's a topic of Simulation, I ask to clarify whether it's *Digital* or Something closer to a Clockwork Autonomous (plans laid out) And if that's too much, It's the Difference between Matrix and Dune (as per Paul atreades P.o.v as Tragic character)
One thing I expected to get mentioned, when Chase guessed that the previous 3 games to MGS2 were a simulation, was Twin Snakes. The remake of MGS1, except with mechanics lifted from 2, more absurd, exaggerated cutscenes (Snake dropkicks Metal Gear Rex at one point) and, curiously, there's an easter egg of some of the diamond targets from the VR training mode hidden in the game. And while it's never been officially stated, some people have argued that Twin Snakes is a simulation of the "Real" events in MGS1, being experienced by Raiden.
Even in MGS1 if the box was in a suspicious area the guards will check it out. The box can also be used in the trucks to quickly move between areas and used near wolves to make them pee on you so their scent is on Snake making them not attack him anymore
What makes Metal Gear such a feared weapon is that it can Launch nukes without being detected, can launch from virtually anywhere in the world, is heavily armored, and has massive fire power and later on is A.I. controlled
SPOILER: I thiiiink Liquid died because Solid was spreading the FoxDie around after Naomi gave it to him. I think that's also why Solid was gonna self terminate at the end of MGS4, since the FoxDie in his system were old nano machines, and him living longer would allow them to degrade to the point they didn't ONLY kill Foxhound people anymore (essentially, he'd have been a nanite plague carrier). Vague recollections, honestly.
Re: "Iroquois Pliskin": Iroquois is a Huron word meaning "Black snake", and Pliskin is a reference to Snake Pliskin, from the Escape From movies. So Snake went into hiding as Mr. Snakey McSnakerson and no-one realized.
@@razgriz1ne1ne48 Another fun fact: the cover of the first Metal Gear game is a drawing of Kyle Reese from Terminator 1. Just a redrawn screenshot from the movie.
1:02:40 no, Metal Gear has a *precision railgun.* Meaning it doesn't need a missile, it can just launch the nuclear warhead thousands of miles away with pinpoint accuracy and then rebase somewhere without needing *roads*.
Fortune had a electric magnetic field device that Oculot had snuck on her body which made bullets avoid her. When she confronted him he revealed this, turned it off and shot her in the heart only she has a condition where her heart is located OPPOSITE of where it should be so she got back up. When oculot goes to shoot her again its revealed that she does in fact actually has powers and uses them to move the bullets out of the way saving everyone. She then dies from blood lost
Okay, so because I LOVE Metal Gear Solid, I have to point out some things Monty mispresented to Chase. Sorry for the wall of text... Solid and Liquid Snake were genetically modified before birth. They edited their genes and made it so Solid had the dominant (superior) genes and Liquid had the recessive (inferior) genes. However, at the end of MGS1, Ocelot confirms that Liquid was actually the one with dominant genes and Solid Snake was the lesser. This makes sense because it literally took a super-virus to kill Liquid in the end. He survived being blown up with Metal Gear Rex, falling off the top of it (which he himself said would be fatal), and a car accident...all within a short period of time! Ironically, Solid Snake proves that it's nurture that triumphed over nature, since he was supposed to be inferior but always survived in the end. Foxdie was a virus that was intended to kill ALL of the people at Shadow Moses so that Rex could be retrieved undamaged. It was part of Snakes mission all along, he just never knew it. Naomi knew and volunteered for the mission so she could take revenge on Snake. She was never working for the terrorists. She sent coded messages to Gray Fox on the island, which was misinterpreted as her working for the terrorists. For that, she was arrested near the end of the game. Notably, upon learning of Snake's true nature and respect for her brother, she changed it and delayed his death, as Monty said. Though she was very cryptic about it. She just told him to live and didn't mention anything about what she did. Snake kept asking when his time would come and all she said was "Live Snake. That's all I can tell you." The S3 Plan - Solid Snake Simulation - completely takes place in reality. Raiden is the test subject, trying to show that with his VR training, he can accomplish missions as well as Solid Snake despite never seeing real combat (except he was a child soldier so that is a bit of a plot hole). Everything that happened in the game was real, planned by the Patriots. All the similarities, like having Raiden face superpowered baddies, is meant to simulate what Snake went through in his previous missions. He always fought superpowered baddies, destroyed a Metal Gear, and "rescued" VIPs during his missions. The Patriots were testing Raiden to see if he could do the same after his VR training. And he could, but whether that's because of his child solider past or not is up for grabs. Not to mention GW tells Raiden that S3 doesn't stand for Solid Snake Simulation at all, that was just what everyone was meant to believe. Fortune couldn't be hit by bullets or grenades because the Patriots used their tech to shield her, something she never knew. They turned it off and Ocelot was able to kill her then. She then uses her powers for real before she dies, making you wonder if it was all the Patriots or not (it's meant to be up to interpretation). Ocelot uses the same tech to keep Solidus from killing him as he hijacks Ray. Olga was working with the Sons of Liberty as a double agent for the Patriots. She only saved Raiden because the Patriots were monitoring his vitals with nanomachines. If he dies, her child would die. She saved him in order to save her child. She didn't care one way or another about Solidus or his plan. She actually hated Snake because her father was killed on the tanker during the prologue, which Monty left out entirely (never even mentioning his name). Ocelot betrayed her father, not her specifically. She supposedly never knew Ocelot betrayed her father, until Solid Snake told her the truth when they fought off-screen while Raiden was rescuing Emma. Ocelot was actually a Patriot spy. He was undercover for them to stop Solidus as a last ditch effort. He wasn't a third party, he didn't want to kill the Patriots (at least that what we're led to believe in this MGS2), he was literally working for the bad guys all along. Ghost Liquid in his body took over so he could find and kill the Patriots because Ocelot knows who and where they are (supposedly). Ocelot DOES NOT regain control of himself, it is from this point on that Liquid has full control of his body going into MGS4 (I'm purposefully not explaining everything about Ocelot here because it's spoilers for MGS4). Snake is chasing after Liquid not Ocelot. Okay...all out of my system...
RE: "What's a simulation, what isn't?": The entire Big Shell incident is a simulation, AND real. The events are all happening, but they've been set up to, in some ways, replicate the events of MGS1. It's like how military training with paintball guns is a "simulation" of a real combat situation. Except most people haven't been told, and the guns are real, so if Raiden can't measure up, he dies.
I believe Solidus Snakes real name was George Sears and he was the president during the Shadow Mose Incident. After Shadow Moses he was removed from his presidency and replaced by President Johnson
1:16:40 I believe the premise is that they used a specific cloning method seen in IRL early cloning experiments (90s maybe) where the method of selecting genes created two viable embryos, one with the desired genes and one with the exact opposite (every binary pair is the polar opposite in the second embryo). You thus get the perfect specimen and also the runt who's the exact opposite of everything you chose. Liquid learned he was the latter, and thus hates Solid and wants to prove he's better than him. No shade for not grasping that, since metal gear's own explanation screws up 7th grade biology and has liquid ranting about how he has the inferior recessive genes.
my favorite part about the explanation being bad is that in MGSV Kaz jokes about him struggling with biology--so canonically at least, it could be wrong because *liquid* doesn't get it lmao.
I was OBSESSED with Metal Gear Solid in my teens and early 20s. Hell, I started playing MGS when I was 7, when my brother still had to explain everything to me, cause I didn't get it. I have thousands of hours in EACH game (except TPP), have done an amount of story (and Big Boss) runs I can't even remember the number for and have watched an unfathomable amount of In depth story streams and marathons, where the goal is to get every tiny detail possible out of the game. (Threedogg, Uknightmare and DRK even before Outerhaven). I doubt there are more than a handful of people that have consumed more MGS than me. Yet I don't think I will ever get tired of listening to MGS lore videos. Even a few years after stopping my obsession, it's still something absolutely special for me. No game will probably ever come close.
I really feel for Chase having all this madness being dumped on him, but listenig to this trainwreck is hilarious. p.s. I`m glad the guys at least had some beer for this
Rewatching the backlog for sleep aid (dw your newest episodes always get my full attention, they're all amazing) and its so weird not having neil around
Watching this again, is the reason Solid Snake sees a movie camera drone at the end of the oil tanker bit, is that the La Le Lu Li Lo recording Solid Snake's adventures for S3? So the beginning of the game is ACTUALLY you playing as Raiden in the VR training playing as Solid Snake???
It was used by Ocelot to verify Snakes involvement in the Tanker incident, forcing Philanthropy to become a fringe organisation, reducing their effectiveness to remove Metal Gears from military technical advancements.
Thank god someone said it. I've honestly enjoyed this too much to nickpick. But yeah, simply; _Replace Simulation with _*_Staged_*_ and it makes more sense._ Raiden played the part of Snake, Solidus is Liquid and so forth. _Snake being there is not part of the Stage, neither was Fatman planting the bombs... initially... he went rouge. _*_I'll stop!_*
Finally getting around to this one. Only played MGS 1 and 2 with Max Derrat so I'm stopping here until i play more. But hearing you challenge anyone to seriously explain this series...Challenge Accepted!😂😅😢
Im a bit late to the party here are acoupke of answers for questions that were left unanswered. Naomi inject snake with foxdie and made him a carrier, that’s why everyone that comes into contact with him from the foxhound unit dies. Also metal gears are not that dumb. Nukes biggest draw back is that they require launch platforms and that are big and take time to build so putting legs on a nuke platform is quite ingeneous. Also being able to move your nuke relatively close to your target makes it harder to react in time. And tgey are obviously not a one time use thing, think nuking a neighboring city type of deal.
55:22 so you are completely wrong on describing this scene . Ocelot does NOT try to activate the C4. You get a cut scene where ocelot is stating he is just getting warmed up while he’s reloading behind cover, he then exits cover while pointing the gun at Snake and this is when the cyborg ninja comes and cuts his hands off , the ninja then starts going haywire ( like he’s glitching) and also sets off the C4 although it doesn’t kill anyone in the room.
Wait until he realizes that Solid Snake Simulation wasn't actually real and that the President had false information and that the real purpose of MGS2 was the S3 plan-- Selection for Societal Sanity.
Vamp is named Vamp because he is bisexual, not because he drinks blood. And the bomb expert Fat Man is named after one of the nukes that were dropped on Japan. They were called Fat Man and Little Boy.
You got me with the recent Bioshock episode where almost everything was spot on then I gave it a chance but there is SO much wrong in this, way too much.
He said in a separate comment that before they started using notes for more accurate lore explanations, this was more of a "drunk man tries to explain the lore of a really complicated game series from memory"
Naomi Hunter didn't program the Foxdie. She just added Snakes DNA to the kill list. She doesn't know why it hasnt killed Snake yet. She also wasnt a spy for Foxhound. She was working with Grey Fox the entire time and knew he was the ninja, she helped him escape the people experimenting on him. It was also revealed that Solid Snake was the one who had the WEAKER genes and Liquid had the SUPERIOR genes.
59:21 I think you’re mixing up this fight with your first boss battle with Vulcan Raven where you famously have to take out a tank he’s driving with only grenades.The fight you mention is towards the end of the game. You don’t learn about the DARPA chief and octopus till many hours later . Most of the game it’s left a mystery.
Very amusing listen and honestly not terrible if monty is working entirely from memory. Buuuuut. Missing quite a lot and of course missing the reason why everyone changed thwir minds about mgs2. The conversation about free will and information control basically calls exactly what would happen in the world over the next 15 years. Honestly that keeps happening with Raiden lol.
Can confirm! Before we transitioned to the more detailed notes, I approached this as a “drunk idiot tries to remember series they love with ten bullet points per game” - then the format changed and when we did MGS: Reveangance we transitioned to having more detailed notes and sometimes full blown bits of dialogue as we go on!
@MontyZander and I kinda love you for it. It's the only time I've been able to listen to something that I've wanted to correct because I am a pedantic loremonkey. But you two were deeply entertaining even if a certain *someone* does not understand the idea of a bipedal mech with essentially no radar profile and the capability of an icbm...*trails off into angry muttering*
I know this is Waaaay late but I'll just add to why Metal Gears are feared in the series. 1. Compared to a Missle Silo, they are far more maneuverable (duh) and much harder to detect from satellites, especially inthink Rex since it had a minor cloaking device on top to perfectly camouflage it from ariel views 2, Submarines i think were more easy to detect and if found harder to hide 3, reason for it being Bipedal rather than tank treads was ironically if they were to build a tank that big it would cost more in the long run in both resources and fuel, also likely wouldnt be as maneuverable of take speed into account, the Bipedal frame offered stability at less weight/resources/more agility (this is evidenced by how quick Rex is in MGS4 despite it had already taking the beating it did in MGS1) Also i think there is some fair reasoning to why Metal Gears/mechs in-between MGS3 and MG1 are more advanced is simply they all had Huey Emmerich develop them or be consultant i think, he was THE ORIGINAL creator along with Granin in MGS3, after MGS5 Huey never made one again so the downgrade is seems reasonable imo, and makes sense that the most advanced one since MGS5 timeline wise was Rex that his son developed
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MGS2 is a simulation the same way the DMV is a simulation. Its meant to emulate a real world situation. The only thing is Raiden isn't aware it was all set up by the illuminati. Its supposed to be another nature vs nurture theme. Where Solidus is the perfect clone of big boss representing nature, and Raiden trained to be like Snake representing nurture.
Monty saying that he doesn't want to hear about Kingdom Hearts, and that he doesn't want lore dumps being multiple parts to be common is just *chef's kiss*
I'm here after the second multi part Yakuza episode to laugh
C - "You say that, not knowing the story of the Keyblade War."
M - "Shut up, I don't want to know."
Oh you sweet summer child. 😂
The simulation in MGS2 is a real life simulation. A field test. I think people's perception of the word "simulation" are so digitized now that the concept of "real life" simulation is such a foreign concept to them...
Important Distinction! Whenever it's a topic of Simulation, I ask to clarify whether it's *Digital* or Something closer to a Clockwork Autonomous (plans laid out)
And if that's too much, It's the Difference between Matrix and Dune (as per Paul atreades P.o.v as Tragic character)
One thing I expected to get mentioned, when Chase guessed that the previous 3 games to MGS2 were a simulation, was Twin Snakes.
The remake of MGS1, except with mechanics lifted from 2, more absurd, exaggerated cutscenes (Snake dropkicks Metal Gear Rex at one point) and, curiously, there's an easter egg of some of the diamond targets from the VR training mode hidden in the game.
And while it's never been officially stated, some people have argued that Twin Snakes is a simulation of the "Real" events in MGS1, being experienced by Raiden.
From what I understand, is that the simulation aspect of MGS2, means that it was pre planned more than it being a VR type thing
I just love Jason's reaction to the "Vamp the Vampire". Especially since this, as I understand, comes right after RE dump
Or Monty's reaction to the Jason's reaction, can't decide
Even in MGS1 if the box was in a suspicious area the guards will check it out. The box can also be used in the trucks to quickly move between areas and used near wolves to make them pee on you so their scent is on Snake making them not attack him anymore
What makes Metal Gear such a feared weapon is that it can Launch nukes without being detected, can launch from virtually anywhere in the world, is heavily armored, and has massive fire power and later on is A.I. controlled
1:24:13 if y'all don't know already, there are official snake and otacon plushies available through fangamer and they can hold hands magnetically
SPOILER:
I thiiiink Liquid died because Solid was spreading the FoxDie around after Naomi gave it to him.
I think that's also why Solid was gonna self terminate at the end of MGS4, since the FoxDie in his system were old nano machines, and him living longer would allow them to degrade to the point they didn't ONLY kill Foxhound people anymore (essentially, he'd have been a nanite plague carrier).
Vague recollections, honestly.
Wasn't it that when they were born it was implemented into them already
Re: "Iroquois Pliskin": Iroquois is a Huron word meaning "Black snake", and Pliskin is a reference to Snake Pliskin, from the Escape From movies.
So Snake went into hiding as Mr. Snakey McSnakerson and no-one realized.
Fun Fact to add: in MGS3 Kojima originally tried to get Kurt Russel to do the voice for Big Boss/Naked Snake.
@@razgriz1ne1ne48 Another fun fact: the cover of the first Metal Gear game is a drawing of Kyle Reese from Terminator 1. Just a redrawn screenshot from the movie.
1:02:40 no, Metal Gear has a *precision railgun.* Meaning it doesn't need a missile, it can just launch the nuclear warhead thousands of miles away with pinpoint accuracy and then rebase somewhere without needing *roads*.
Fortune had a electric magnetic field device that Oculot had snuck on her body which made bullets avoid her. When she confronted him he revealed this, turned it off and shot her in the heart only she has a condition where her heart is located OPPOSITE of where it should be so she got back up. When oculot goes to shoot her again its revealed that she does in fact actually has powers and uses them to move the bullets out of the way saving everyone. She then dies from blood lost
The cover of the OG ‘Metal Gear,’ is literally a still of Michael Biehn from ‘Aliens.’
Okay, so because I LOVE Metal Gear Solid, I have to point out some things Monty mispresented to Chase. Sorry for the wall of text...
Solid and Liquid Snake were genetically modified before birth. They edited their genes and made it so Solid had the dominant (superior) genes and Liquid had the recessive (inferior) genes. However, at the end of MGS1, Ocelot confirms that Liquid was actually the one with dominant genes and Solid Snake was the lesser. This makes sense because it literally took a super-virus to kill Liquid in the end. He survived being blown up with Metal Gear Rex, falling off the top of it (which he himself said would be fatal), and a car accident...all within a short period of time! Ironically, Solid Snake proves that it's nurture that triumphed over nature, since he was supposed to be inferior but always survived in the end.
Foxdie was a virus that was intended to kill ALL of the people at Shadow Moses so that Rex could be retrieved undamaged. It was part of Snakes mission all along, he just never knew it. Naomi knew and volunteered for the mission so she could take revenge on Snake. She was never working for the terrorists. She sent coded messages to Gray Fox on the island, which was misinterpreted as her working for the terrorists. For that, she was arrested near the end of the game. Notably, upon learning of Snake's true nature and respect for her brother, she changed it and delayed his death, as Monty said. Though she was very cryptic about it. She just told him to live and didn't mention anything about what she did. Snake kept asking when his time would come and all she said was "Live Snake. That's all I can tell you."
The S3 Plan - Solid Snake Simulation - completely takes place in reality. Raiden is the test subject, trying to show that with his VR training, he can accomplish missions as well as Solid Snake despite never seeing real combat (except he was a child soldier so that is a bit of a plot hole). Everything that happened in the game was real, planned by the Patriots. All the similarities, like having Raiden face superpowered baddies, is meant to simulate what Snake went through in his previous missions. He always fought superpowered baddies, destroyed a Metal Gear, and "rescued" VIPs during his missions. The Patriots were testing Raiden to see if he could do the same after his VR training. And he could, but whether that's because of his child solider past or not is up for grabs. Not to mention GW tells Raiden that S3 doesn't stand for Solid Snake Simulation at all, that was just what everyone was meant to believe.
Fortune couldn't be hit by bullets or grenades because the Patriots used their tech to shield her, something she never knew. They turned it off and Ocelot was able to kill her then. She then uses her powers for real before she dies, making you wonder if it was all the Patriots or not (it's meant to be up to interpretation). Ocelot uses the same tech to keep Solidus from killing him as he hijacks Ray.
Olga was working with the Sons of Liberty as a double agent for the Patriots. She only saved Raiden because the Patriots were monitoring his vitals with nanomachines. If he dies, her child would die. She saved him in order to save her child. She didn't care one way or another about Solidus or his plan. She actually hated Snake because her father was killed on the tanker during the prologue, which Monty left out entirely (never even mentioning his name). Ocelot betrayed her father, not her specifically. She supposedly never knew Ocelot betrayed her father, until Solid Snake told her the truth when they fought off-screen while Raiden was rescuing Emma.
Ocelot was actually a Patriot spy. He was undercover for them to stop Solidus as a last ditch effort. He wasn't a third party, he didn't want to kill the Patriots (at least that what we're led to believe in this MGS2), he was literally working for the bad guys all along. Ghost Liquid in his body took over so he could find and kill the Patriots because Ocelot knows who and where they are (supposedly). Ocelot DOES NOT regain control of himself, it is from this point on that Liquid has full control of his body going into MGS4 (I'm purposefully not explaining everything about Ocelot here because it's spoilers for MGS4). Snake is chasing after Liquid not Ocelot.
Okay...all out of my system...
RE: "What's a simulation, what isn't?": The entire Big Shell incident is a simulation, AND real. The events are all happening, but they've been set up to, in some ways, replicate the events of MGS1.
It's like how military training with paintball guns is a "simulation" of a real combat situation.
Except most people haven't been told, and the guns are real, so if Raiden can't measure up, he dies.
I believe Solidus Snakes real name was George Sears and he was the president during the Shadow Mose Incident. After Shadow Moses he was removed from his presidency and replaced by President Johnson
Hearing that Chase is from Maryland really brings a smile to my face. than we are all just casually insane from Maryland
1:16:40 I believe the premise is that they used a specific cloning method seen in IRL early cloning experiments (90s maybe) where the method of selecting genes created two viable embryos, one with the desired genes and one with the exact opposite (every binary pair is the polar opposite in the second embryo). You thus get the perfect specimen and also the runt who's the exact opposite of everything you chose. Liquid learned he was the latter, and thus hates Solid and wants to prove he's better than him.
No shade for not grasping that, since metal gear's own explanation screws up 7th grade biology and has liquid ranting about how he has the inferior recessive genes.
my favorite part about the explanation being bad is that in MGSV Kaz jokes about him struggling with biology--so canonically at least, it could be wrong because *liquid* doesn't get it lmao.
1:18:06 That slow realisation of Dioness is amazing 😂
man, all these Yakuza references really makes me want a Yakuza lore dump...
This please, I've had Yakuza Zero on my PC for ages and yet to even touch it! But I've been addicted to retrospectives of its series Lore.
I got good news for ya, buddy XD
I was OBSESSED with Metal Gear Solid in my teens and early 20s. Hell, I started playing MGS when I was 7, when my brother still had to explain everything to me, cause I didn't get it. I have thousands of hours in EACH game (except TPP), have done an amount of story (and Big Boss) runs I can't even remember the number for and have watched an unfathomable amount of In depth story streams and marathons, where the goal is to get every tiny detail possible out of the game. (Threedogg, Uknightmare and DRK even before Outerhaven). I doubt there are more than a handful of people that have consumed more MGS than me. Yet I don't think I will ever get tired of listening to MGS lore videos. Even a few years after stopping my obsession, it's still something absolutely special for me. No game will probably ever come close.
I really feel for Chase having all this madness being dumped on him, but listenig to this trainwreck is hilarious.
p.s. I`m glad the guys at least had some beer for this
Rewatching the backlog for sleep aid (dw your newest episodes always get my full attention, they're all amazing) and its so weird not having neil around
Watching this again, is the reason Solid Snake sees a movie camera drone at the end of the oil tanker bit, is that the La Le Lu Li Lo recording Solid Snake's adventures for S3?
So the beginning of the game is ACTUALLY you playing as Raiden in the VR training playing as Solid Snake???
It was used by Ocelot to verify Snakes involvement in the Tanker incident, forcing Philanthropy to become a fringe organisation, reducing their effectiveness to remove Metal Gears from military technical advancements.
Kaz being a villain by the end ISN'T FAR OFF?
None of MGS2 is a simulation, it's a field test. The situation is orchestrated by the GW but the events are all actually happening.
Thank god someone said it. I've honestly enjoyed this too much to nickpick. But yeah, simply; _Replace Simulation with _*_Staged_*_ and it makes more sense._ Raiden played the part of Snake, Solidus is Liquid and so forth. _Snake being there is not part of the Stage, neither was Fatman planting the bombs... initially... he went rouge. _*_I'll stop!_*
Finally getting around to this one. Only played MGS 1 and 2 with Max Derrat so I'm stopping here until i play more.
But hearing you challenge anyone to seriously explain this series...Challenge Accepted!😂😅😢
Max is great in his own way. Good taste!
After playing through these games after first listening to this. It makes a lot more sense 😂
The Metal Gear games are actually pretty easy to follow if you play them. They just tend to explain things in over the top way.
Im a bit late to the party here are acoupke of answers for questions that were left unanswered.
Naomi inject snake with foxdie and made him a carrier, that’s why everyone that comes into contact with him from the foxhound unit dies.
Also metal gears are not that dumb. Nukes biggest draw back is that they require launch platforms and that are big and take time to build so putting legs on a nuke platform is quite ingeneous. Also being able to move your nuke relatively close to your target makes it harder to react in time. And tgey are obviously not a one time use thing, think nuking a neighboring city type of deal.
55:22 so you are completely wrong on describing this scene . Ocelot does NOT try to activate the C4. You get a cut scene where ocelot is stating he is just getting warmed up while he’s reloading behind cover, he then exits cover while pointing the gun at Snake and this is when the cyborg ninja comes and cuts his hands off , the ninja then starts going haywire ( like he’s glitching) and also sets off the C4 although it doesn’t kill anyone in the room.
Well obviously no nuke launcher is going to launch nukes in range of itself, its a long range nuke launcher.
Wait until he realizes that Solid Snake Simulation wasn't actually real and that the President had false information and that the real purpose of MGS2 was the S3 plan-- Selection for Societal Sanity.
Monty does a solid Otacon impression
@1:16:20 They actually ARE the biological sons of Big Boss, they're clones of him, not war orphans with gene therapy
Vamp is named Vamp because he is bisexual, not because he drinks blood. And the bomb expert Fat Man is named after one of the nukes that were dropped on Japan. They were called Fat Man and Little Boy.
Am I the only person disappointed that we didn't get to hear the rant about hot dogs?
You got me with the recent Bioshock episode where almost everything was spot on then I gave it a chance but there is SO much wrong in this, way too much.
He said in a separate comment that before they started using notes for more accurate lore explanations, this was more of a "drunk man tries to explain the lore of a really complicated game series from memory"
“Vamp, a vampire” lmaoo
Naomi Hunter didn't program the Foxdie. She just added Snakes DNA to the kill list. She doesn't know why it hasnt killed Snake yet.
She also wasnt a spy for Foxhound. She was working with Grey Fox the entire time and knew he was the ninja, she helped him escape the people experimenting on him.
It was also revealed that Solid Snake was the one who had the WEAKER genes and Liquid had the SUPERIOR genes.
59:21 I think you’re mixing up this fight with your first boss battle with Vulcan Raven where you famously have to take out a tank he’s driving with only grenades.The fight you mention is towards the end of the game. You don’t learn about the DARPA chief and octopus till many hours later . Most of the game it’s left a mystery.
I cannot stand people who rile on FICTION for not making sense
To be fair they were drunk, but it was my main issue listening to this as well.
Next video. I'm still going strong.
I'm definitely stealing "Deeded"
Sidenote, MGS Fans I'm a nutshell, such as I: _I can tell you what it means, but I can't tell you what it _*_means._*
That's not Solid Snake - that's Kyle Reese.
Speak for yourselves; _Metal Gear Awesome is all you need to understand MGS_
We do know that Solidus’ real name is George ;3
Ive watched this countless times now and only just realised i never pressed the like button, my bad
Very amusing listen and honestly not terrible if monty is working entirely from memory.
Buuuuut. Missing quite a lot and of course missing the reason why everyone changed thwir minds about mgs2.
The conversation about free will and information control basically calls exactly what would happen in the world over the next 15 years.
Honestly that keeps happening with Raiden lol.
Can confirm! Before we transitioned to the more detailed notes, I approached this as a “drunk idiot tries to remember series they love with ten bullet points per game” - then the format changed and when we did MGS: Reveangance we transitioned to having more detailed notes and sometimes full blown bits of dialogue as we go on!
@MontyZander and I kinda love you for it. It's the only time I've been able to listen to something that I've wanted to correct because I am a pedantic loremonkey. But you two were deeply entertaining even if a certain *someone* does not understand the idea of a bipedal mech with essentially no radar profile and the capability of an icbm...*trails off into angry muttering*
Chase, you might know the name "Shadow Moses" from the Bring Me the Horizon song, and you might know the name Ocelot from Dark Souls 3.
Snake pliscan best character
I think he is wearing AR contacts
Metal gear solid is kind of a remake of metal gear 2
53:21 Naomi's a traitor
I know this is Waaaay late but I'll just add to why Metal Gears are feared in the series.
1. Compared to a Missle Silo, they are far more maneuverable (duh) and much harder to detect from satellites, especially inthink Rex since it had a minor cloaking device on top to perfectly camouflage it from ariel views
2, Submarines i think were more easy to detect and if found harder to hide
3, reason for it being Bipedal rather than tank treads was ironically if they were to build a tank that big it would cost more in the long run in both resources and fuel, also likely wouldnt be as maneuverable of take speed into account, the Bipedal frame offered stability at less weight/resources/more agility (this is evidenced by how quick Rex is in MGS4 despite it had already taking the beating it did in MGS1)
Also i think there is some fair reasoning to why Metal Gears/mechs in-between MGS3 and MG1 are more advanced is simply they all had Huey Emmerich develop them or be consultant i think, he was THE ORIGINAL creator along with Granin in MGS3, after MGS5 Huey never made one again so the downgrade is seems reasonable imo, and makes sense that the most advanced one since MGS5 timeline wise was Rex that his son developed