CAM INSTALL tech on our LS powered BMW
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2021
- Our LS3 powered BMW known as Black Ch-ops is getting a new CAM for more power! In this episode we get a lesson from expert engine builder Tony, on how to correctly install and time up our new power stick.
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On my '05 GTO (Holden Monaro) I did the cam, had the heads CND'd and installed new valve springs roller lifters and rockers. I picked up 100 hp/tq to the rear wheels.
Kind of funny to see cam in Block Motors being really foreign somebody because I live in Middle America where can block V6 and V8 or just normal. PS outside of the eastern western seaboards emissions regulations are nonexistent
@@BaMenace It has one, have a look
@@mightycarmods yeah I have. Did the drive line come in ? Did the rust get repaired? Or is everything still sitting in storage. ?
That'll do it, brake fluid is caustic!!
This guy is a proooooper pro, unlimited knowledge, super interesting to watch someone who knows this much about something!
OH NOOOOOO!!! Most people agree that my vids are the worst on UA-cam. I agree to disagree. Please agree to disagree with the haters, dear even
@@AxxLAfriku whot
@@temio.463 He's just spamming some self promotion, report and ignore
Guys who have Rhee knowledge that Tony have are so interesting to listen to when they get started, unfortunately Marty keeps interrupting him which is a bit annoying
God, Tony's probably forgot more about engines that I'll ever know in my lifetime
"Nobody talks about side valves anymore"
Marty: "Laughing"
Also Marty: no idea what Tony is talking about
Make me wonder how many side valve engines Tony have sitting around the shop 😁😁
I once heard a straight 8 cylinder side valve on idle, that's one of the greatest idles I've ever heard, almost calming 😁
I'm not even sure, and I've worked on all sorts of engines. Is that what I'd call a Flathead engine?
@@brly4542 I'd agree with you, probably flathead. The only other thing I could think of is a 2 cycle, like a Detroit diesel where the piston acts like a sort of valve with ports on the side?
Yup a side port engine is a flat head
Yeah flathead. Popular in WW2.
Tony, what a legend. Well spoken, very clear and precise. Love em.
Seriously what a wealth of knowledge and what a great speaker he is. I really enjoyed listening to him.
I know it's a different accent, but when I listen to him all I can hear is Korg from Thor Ragnarok. 😄
Fuck yeah what a legend
@@PedalExperiments Thats a kiwi accent, this is the aussie accent. Close though.
@@iflyrcmike Yeah, like I said, I'm aware it's different, but his cadence is really similar.
Watching Tony impart knowledge on Marty is like watching Yoda train Luke in the force
You mean Turbo Yoda right?
@@therickman1990 Star wars Yoda.
@@therickman1990 Tony is the Tiiiimmmminggg Yoooddaaaaa but I hear you.
Tony is one of those oldschool mechanics from a bygone era. This to me is proper tuning. He's also patient as, and real keen to teach people about his knowledge. So cool
Engineer not mechanic
Tony: great teacher.
Also, can correctly pronounce ‘versus’. Double points!
And he works in thous , so much easier to have a feel for.
@@stevejones9788 He works in both. BMW V10s are metric.
Having Marty be the apprentice really kicked off this guys knowledge to the moon, you can see they are both having the time of their lives teaching/learning what they love
How can you accurately "dial in" that cam without the chain tensioners (slippers) or the planned solid rubbing block that removes the chain slack before you or anyone else watching this video can check cam timing? An engine without chain guides or slippers that have a tight chain when a new chain and sprockets where assembled without any slack at all like engines of the 50's, 60's, 70's and possibly into the 80's and 90's era (?). Ford FE engine and Land Rover's 4.6 liter engines of my intrest at this end. A sure bet indexing the cam 2 to 4 degrees advanced allowing when lower rpm torque to begin to develope (built with caution keeping away from possible detonation issues when advancing yet "within reason", no not of 6 to 8 degrees advancing trying to correct for a wrongly selected cam also planned engine duty. Advanced allowing for chain wear which slowly retards cam timing. Steel cam and crank sprockets not those plastic or cast iron cam sprockets including those cast iron crank sprockets and "Link Belt" vs a double roller chain instead. Minor added oiling tricks like in this video also allowing a little more lube oil to dribble down onto the timing chain and sprockets.
OIl drainback holes in the the valley area cleaned removing casting flashing, rough casting finish along with smoothed out openings increasing oil drainback downward lubing the cam lobes while draining down into the oil pan.
Worn rocker shafts with loose rockers flooding the top end with too much oil instead of draining to the sump so the oil pump can lube the engine which is critical. Worse case the valve covers end up filled to the top to the PCV valve, intake vacuum then sucking up oil now starving the bottom end, oil pump sucking air, massive detonation issues while burning oil just before the massive exhaust smoke issue is noticed.....~~=o&o>....
Marty: "We're using maths."
Tony: *pauses*
Also Tony, thinking to himself: "The fuck else would we be using mate?"
(But seriously, great video - Tony's knowledge is fascinating to listen to.)
Dead 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love Marty's use of the collective we. Asks Tony "Do we know that?"... Clearly Tony does.
That was the look of literal crickets, he almost broke Tony :D Any more questions like that and Tony would have to go in the bin.
Tony is a Legend, Learned a ton from this video! This is what the car community is about 👍
Cam all the V8's
Amen
Hallelujah
koenigsegg: 🤦
Its nice to see you here ontario fams❤️
@@guidepost667 ottawa gang
I feel like I learned more from 10 minutes listening to Tony than a year of watching the Powerblock on Spike.
That's because out of a year of powerblock on Spike only 5 minutes was actual programming. The rest was commercials.
You should watch Engine Masters then...
Powerblock was literally an animated catalogue.
@@bubbajspnkypants Engine Masters is great, I learnt a lot from them. That said, they're pretty old fashioned about fuel injection ;)
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I enjoy “Jack of all Trades” kind of guys, but deep and narrow knowledge like Tony’s is always amazing to me. This dude has forgotten more engine knowledge than I’ll probably ever have. It’s amazing what happens when and individual devotes a lot of time to a particular craft. Legend.
You know it's getting serious when the mechanic wears an apron :D
Pros keep their overalls clear of grease and oil lol.
It's about to get cookin'!
I could listen to Tony all day! What a legend! Stay Safe, Garrie from Scotland :)
Tony is such a legend! A conversation between Tony and Turbo Yoda would blow our ears to the next galaxy! 😂
This needs to happen!
OMD watching them two LEARN OFF EACH OTHER?!! 🤯
Super cool and nice to see a really knowledgeable pro who's also a patient and natural teacher. You don't always get both, and sometimes people who have a lot of knowledge struggle to pass it on.
Tony is the teacher that we all wish we had. What a legend
Moog: Level 20 street brawler
Marty: Level 40 mob enforcer
Tony: Level 70 OG overlord
I just love the expert information from Tony, amazing work from such a die hard engine builder. Breath of fresh air from watching a seem like never-ending Civic build..
agreed!!
Tony reminds me of a Professor I had in Uni. The way he talks and explains things.
"looks a bit like Howard Stark"
Me: Yeah right
MCM: literally casts Howard Stark to cam their BMW
yeah!!
I bought an Australian car, a 2014 Chevrolet Caprice. I've discovered it's a commodore ve that was sold to police the same years the commodore vf was sold as a chevrolet ss. L77 6.0 with 355hp. It's a fun car
That was just a family car down here, ha ha hope you enjoy it👍
The Caprice is the Holden Statesman Caprice built in South Australia, and is the long wheelbase version of the Holden Commodore (not the same car) and was marketed as a luxury car here in Oz.
dads ute has a L77 with aftermarket intake and full x force exhaust. makes 380hp retuned for the catless exhaust and intake so theyre getting their moneys worth. sounds awesome and goes fast
As others have said, its not a Commodore but here its a "Holden Caprice" or "HSV Grange", luxury cars. Fun fact, China built their own version and called it the Buick Park Avenue, they changed the interior a bit from our cars but exterior mostly the same. A few guys over in the states have started the Aussie spec conversion but its pretty expensive to do stateside.
I'm looking into the statesman and holden caprice now. Thanks for the info! I'm trying to buy new fender vents, headlights and taillights. Certainly helps knowing about the statesman/caprice
I never thought I'd see the day that MCM would have a guest out-Marty Marty.
Tuning Fork does that a lot though lol
You can tell this guy knows his stuff, because he can explain the what, but more importantly the why, and he is explaining it in way that is very accessible to the amateur.
LS Engine: easiest engine to understand
Tony: hold that piston down with your THUMB
Marty & Moog insertion, "If you wiggle the shaft, I'll grab the tip"
Expert Tony, "I'm unfamiliar with that"
Haha I was waiting for the big toe last push in
I would watch the hell out of a video series of Tony explaining engine mechanics in his no-nonsense style. He's not interested in flash and drama, just good honest explaining how things works. He sounds like an excellent teacher.
Tony is an absolute legend. Soft voice, super knowledgeable, eloquent delivery. You can see Marty hanging on his every word. Love it.
"Youre outside all emissions standards in the states if you put this cam in your car"
*laughs in South Carolinian*
Id love to hear that laugh
Well... It's still illegal in SC, but nobody will ever check. ;)
Laughs in Florida
There isn't even an inspection, some of the cars on the road here are death traps lol
#sc
@@BrintechCustoms hearty and southern and full of v8 rumble 😉
Howard Stark! THAT'S who Tony reminds me of. It was driving me crazy last episode.
All old school folks are absolute GODS of understanding and slowly explaining / talking about stuff.
You can hear , feel the understanding and knowledge of a man. I deeply respect it.
I could listen to Tony talk about anything all day. I love listening to people that know what they're talking about - ESPECIALLY if they're willing to sit down with you and explain things.
Loved the more technical episode!
I'm not a mad LS fan but was great to see some theory shown on screen, thanks MCM!
This!!!!
Tony's a legend, please let him know all of the internet thinks so also lol
Shop time with grandpa, teaching you things you only get with years of experience. Loved those times. Mad respect for Tony!
I always say it, but one thing I really like with MCM is their ability to find very interesting and knowledgeable people, make them comfortable and share their knowledge with us.
That’s a rare gift.
This dude knows his stuff. Next time I get an E30 I'm going to Tony.
Brintechs ad is just a picture of Tony putting together an old M-Sport race engine. 👍
I'm so stoked to see the E30 back, can't wait to see where this goes
Young MCM fans, this is a perfect video to explain that being a mechanic is not as easy as you would expect, or think it is. A great deal of knowledge and trust is required to be one, so give your mechanic a bit of respect when he’s fixing your DIY eff up.
I know tony on a personal level, and he is one of the most knowledgeable, humble guys you’ll ever meet.
Good on you MCM for showing this video. Well done guys. 👍
It's one thing trying to learn from a Master Technician, but when they are able to impart that knowledge in the easiest way for you to understand, that is priceless! 🙌🏾👌🏾
This video is gold boys! Love learning from someone who's been doing this all their life! Absolute wealth of experience and knowledge 😇💯
Watch out Moog, Marty might have just found a new best friend! Haha. Love this bloke, so knowledgeable and makes everything so easy to understand
Tony is amazing, not only because of his knowledge and experience, but his ability to communicate and teach clearly and effectively is equally impressive.
Having the people you two gentlemen have around you to support your builds and channel, is a blessing I hope you both appreciate. Doing this stuff alone with no help is really hard
Loving this series. Wish you got a Cleetus Bald eagle cam lol.
A what? Cleetus is a joke
All about that Texas speed BFD
@@markm0000 but he’s doing better than you.
Sloppy Stage 2, ya mean!
@@markm0000 sure. The whole personality is in fact a joke (unless you think his name is in fact cleetus lol). However, a highly entertaining, kind hearted, and successful joke. I do respect your opinion though.
I feel like I’ve just enrolled in an Engine building course held at Harvard University haha. Bloody great
I love guys like Tony. You can just imagine him in stitches about some obscure technical situation while everyone around is completely lost.
“... and then he turned it another 1000th, and I was like, ‘ARE YOU CRAZY, MAN!’ It was hilarious!”
OMG, this is just like reliving my misspent youth... the Joy on Marty's face learning about this reminds me of when my Dad showed me how to do this swap on HR Holden with a 186, twin Strombergs and extractors... then me showing my son how to do this on a VC Valiant with a 245 Hemi... the joy of learning new things, Marty's face is beaming.
Keep up the good work and awesome to see some old school engineering every now and then, rather than just a new ECU and tuning.
Cheers
Tony... what a legend.
Sits cross legged at his feet, "tell me more!"
This was freaking awesome. Any tech stuff like this is throughly enjoyed!
I'm not likely to ever rebuild an LS ( or any motor), but I found this to be totally captivating and quite enjoyable. Excellent job guys, well done!
Marty,
I Loved this video, you went full Engine Masters on this episode.
Steve Dulcich would be proud.
I know this episode is not for everyone.
Us engine geeks appreciate Tony and you.
Takes me back to the days of my Holden red motors and the YellaTerra heads and cams.
Fun days :)
That was so nerdtastically satisfying lmao 😆😆😆 I could listen to this dude do engine talk all day.
I'm an absolute engine amateur but I could listen to Tony talk all day. Wonderful, proper true blue expertise there.
Being Tony's thing-fetcher for 6 months is to be considered "condensed education" :P
This guy is so knowledgeable , I love working with people who know more than I do , his years and years of engine building was hard learned , he can teach you alot fast and take them hard years out of the equation, top man!
Does this man have an apprentice? I hope so. He needs to pass his wisdom on!
Just thinking the same. A cool Man and a nice Man
no doubt
I know what you mean. I deal with quite a few living legends of the Aussie car industry and most are "getting on" in age. most don't have anyone underneath them to learn so the knowledge and craftsmanship is just going to follow them. quite sad really.
Pretty sure if he didn't.... he does now.
@@viridianperformance7124 it's a huge issue here in the UK, no company wants to pay a fair wage to their regular employees, let alone an apprentice, so would be apprentices earn more stacking shelves in the supermarket.
Nerdy engine speak. Not the usual for this channel but much appreciated.
Having listened to tony for 10 mins I’m sure I could cam swap anything, guy just knows so much
I love hearing people who know what they are talking about, speak.
Even if none of the information stays in my head, it is still enjoyable and interesting.
a quick guide for those who are watching:
- look pensive
- frown a little
- nod slightly in agreement every 10 to 30 seconds
lol yep
This video separates the Gear heads from the Car Enthusiasts
Man. Working on old cars so much as a kid, was so fun to watch him put in a cam for a V8.
So great to hear from a proper engine builder. Tony seems very passionate about what he does.
When it's done you guys should battle the LS BMW vs Benny's LS Lexus
I was just thinking that too ... lol ... 👍👍👍👍
"You don't want the overlap for boost..."
*Richard Holdener enters the chat*
That's right. Easy to say and repeat that "overlap is bad for forced induction" but it's not backed by evidence.
@@kevin9c1 Dyno graphs of back to back cam swaps looking for the right cam application are pretty good evidence...nothing wrong with a little overlap, the issue is with wide open NA race cams not being optimal for boost. Midrange loss, but a decrease in EGT from the charge blowing through with high overlap, in my experience.
My favourite mcm episode yet. Thank you for explaining the importance of degreeing in your camshaft to the masses
Tony is a national treasure. What a wealth of information and explained so clearly and patiently. Legend.
Old school cool. The Honda must be wondering where the love went. 😂
Hell yeah brother
As a former ASE-certified mechanic in the U.S. I loved this vid! Nice to see a UA-camr getting into what I learned 25 Years ago! 👌
Tony, Thank you for taking the time to help these guys out!!! This is going to be the best engine on the channel!
Love how this is 'foreign' stuff for ya! LS cam swaps are like hotrod 101 in the US... cams belong IN the block! 😊
All supercars have 4v DOHC VVT and turbo, and if a v8, are flatplane firing order.
2v pushrod was built in the '50s and belongs to a past era.
Nearly every car engine built world wide in 2021 is 4v DOHC VVT and turbo
@@nordic5490 you have to admit that although the LS, and other pushrod V8s, follow a simple recipe, it's a damn effective one. They're relatively compact engines capable of superb output for such an apparently outdated design
@@nordic5490 You sound very european. Why dont you take a step back, pull the massive stick out of you ass, and lighten up?
"Past-era" LS1 laughs in your face with pushrods still making 350/350 at 100,000 miles. Enjoy fixin' on that DOHC VVT DI turbo hybrid, by the way.
@@Kstang09 you sound very much like an ignorant yank. Nearly every car sold in 2021, including ones made by yanks, are 4v dogc vvt & turbo. Get up to speed mate. The LS design is from the 50s.
I am an Ozzie, and own 3 factory Barra powered vehicles, one is a factory turbo. The i6 4L long stroke Barra is a bigger and better 2jz, 4v dohc vvt.
A barra can make 2500 crank hp on the factory cast block and heads. A LS ? I dont think so.
Fyi, LPG Barra powered taxis here in Oz routinely do more than 1M Kms on the original engine, still going strong.
Just remember ignorant yank, the USA only has 4% of the worlds population. 96% live outside the USA. There is a whole wide world out there beyond your patch.
Was just wondering what on earth the goat was 😂
Was only talking to someone the other day about the "old vs new" heads, funnily enough in regards to steam engines in trains. Without these legends in their trade imparting their knowledge onto future generations, decades of learned experience and wealth eventually get lost. I put this video up there with the video from Gordon Murray talking about his new supercar (so much passion and knowledge).
Tony comes across like he's really enjoying sharing his knowledge with the boys and the viewers. I honestly think him doing so makes it easier and more enjoyable to watch/listen because there is passion there. Love these techy Vida
"you're outside of all the emissions laws in the states with a cam like this"
Laughs in my non emissions county 🤣 no vehicle inspections here
E30♥
Oh your God. I could listen to tony all day. I've learnt more in the last 2 episodes of mcm than I ever have.
And from this moment forth you shall be called Tony the grey.
This old gentleman reminds me of John Danaher. So much knowledge. So soft spoken
"hundreds or thousands of an inch" that's why normal countries have Millimeters, or what you would call it "0,0393701 inch"
Most if not all machining shops still use imperial, as the metric system doesn't have anything comparable to the precision of a thousandth of an inch
@@BriFlipProductions We have thousands of an Millimeter so no, you have not the more precise system and no in europe literally no one uses the imperial system
@@schnuffelpuff3923 I live in Australia, and I'm speaking from experience in fitter and Turner roles lmao
@@BriFlipProductionsYou might use them in Australia but your countrys been sticking to the imperial system forever so its no wonder some people still use it over there. But every other country that has to produce high quality products is using milimeters, in my job we have 0.001mm tolerances what equals exactly 0.00003937008 inch. So dont tell me nothings more accurate than a thausand of an inch (0.001 inch)
I was getting really nervous when marty was rocking the cam in his hands there
This is right on time! I'm doing research on building a chevy truck engine, which is the plentiful iron block, smaller displacement derivative of the LS.
I know this is too much to ask, but I need a two-hour episode with Tony.... so much knowledge... thanks and I can't wait for the next one...
rule #1 of ls cam swap "NEVER LOOK AT THE CAM BEARINGS!!!"
😝😝😝👌🏻 just send it
No, Rule Number One is "Don't forget the Welsh Plug over the rear cam bearing (in a Holden 202) before you put it back in the car". Once I realised where the oil leak was coming from, I sold the car... to my Dad and told him how I'd stuffed up.
Mighty Car Mods considers cam shaft specs "nerdy"... guys?.. do you even modify? :P
I think your audience is ready for a bit more of the deep end by now. Most of us follow The Skid Factory too. And it's not like Turbo Yoda skimps on the details!
i like to think im relatively knowledgeable with the inner workings of engines, but i could genuinely listen to this guy for hours! and absolute well of knowledge!
Tony would be an amazing teacher. So patient, and so good at explaining technical issues.
: )
Farrrrrrken LS the world
Tony, if you're reading these comments, how's it going. It's nice to know Men like you are still out there and accessible to the rest of us. Love watching and listening to a master of his trade.
A breath of fresh air listing to a specialist explaining in details how and why things happen. A pleause to listen too.........
Tony looks like an older Idubbbz. Or Idubbbz is what a young Tony used to look like, pick one.
Holy crap, this is awesome - I never knew so much went into configuring the cam timing with regards to the valve lift duration. This chap Tony is an absolute legend! Thanks guys!
I feel like I could spend an entire afternoon listening to him, and not even notice the pass of time. What a legend, so knowledgeable and zen
Superb stuff guys, great to have Tony's wealth of experience on board hey! 😊
Love hearing Tony chat about this stuff. Clearly a very experienced guy, and I learned a ton.
Tony is clearly a very knowledgeable builder. I absolutely love listening to real experts. So rare to find real ones...
I love it when someone is capable, but also able to explain. He would make a great technical trainer/instructor.
Wanting to refresh my tired ls2 vz clubsport this video was very helpful.
I'm loving the fact you guys have come back and done this build right ❤❤