Milwaukee's Leaf Blower is.. Not Great. Here's How they Fixed it (Update in Comments)
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Find it here: shrsl.com/3okcr Lifetime updated tool rankings: torquetestchan... Today we take a look at the all new Milwaukee FUEL M18 (sort of 36V) 2824-20 Leaf Blower and compare it to their current M18 2724 model. There's enough of a gap between these two to park a bus, in both performance and price. So we size them up by testing their claims vs real life as usual, and leave the decision up to you.
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*UPDATE!* The below suggestions were correct. Our 1 year old HD12.0 is not pulling from all banks of cells :( The M18 still ranks last here though. We just took apart the battery to confirm. AND just tested the single batt blower with an XC6.0 and it ALSO lasted 9.5mins. I do apologize for the fake news, either way a 1 year old HD12.0 battery used maybe 2 times a month kicking the bucket not reflecting too well on the 'ol red brand. Ranking has been updated for those of you who have it. 19 mins, 38 points, 824 points total. Still last place :P
And correction, the new model is a Gen 3, the Gen 1 M18 FUEL looks like a real chonker. Also @ 12:58 my voiceover is correct, it is 1005 total. Runtime should be 32 points total for the dual battery, not 36.
It's only our 2nd episode, and it's getting close to that season. We can certainly test more models, we're reading your suggestions!
On the single battery, test the lead to lead voltage after usage. it seams like the tool may be depleting only some sub-packs instead of the whole battery pack. Either from a bad contact, broken wire, or something. Also, the charger wouldn't indicate a problem since the on-battery balancing would've probably corrected it enough to not throw an error.
As you go across, there should be 4 sections of 3.5-4.5V pin to pin, all should be pretty close. If ones non-depleted, full charge voltage - there's your culprit.
Im wondering what 21700 vs 18650 cells are being used. While bare bones normally a 21700 is typically better in performance, the C ratings or discharge are vastly different cell to cell even in same size. Having one pack of cells with a discharge of "x" vs another can totally change the run times. My guess is these are very high discharge, to get the power, but sacrifice is runtime.
Original gen 1 which I own has a variable control similar to the new dual battery. With Gen 2 you had either high or low. So theoretically you can get a bit more time with the gen 1 on 75% vs gen 2 either 50% or 100%. Gen 1 is heavier but is better balanced. Though both running 12 ah batteries, the gen 2 will run for 1 minute longer.
I have a 2 yr old 8.0 not used that often doing the same as your 12.0 🤦♂️. I also have a m12 6.0 same issue same age. I miss the m18 9.0 when they had the grey sides. To my knowledge they had no issue until they removed the grey. M18 9.0 hands down my favorite m18 battery !
@@frjhracing Thanks mate. RIP to our $250 battery
okay, never in my life did i think i would be watching a test on leaf blowers, but here i am, content and interested lol
Fucking same, I've ordered 1k worth of Milwaukee tools last month
Hahaha 😂 💯% am i crazy or is the world crazy?! Lol
Your not the only one 😂😂
'We went back on our word, but in our defense; our word was dumb' -Probably Milwaukee
While I value sticking to ones word, I can make exception for going back on it if it was dumb and doing so results in the wrong being righted.
Makita did better than the 1 battery Milwaukee without 21700 cells and without giant 12.0 batteries.
Milwaukee needs to get a 60v platform
I mean it still uses 18v batteries
@@Factoryseconds123 are you saying Milwaukees on 21700 battery is the 12Ah because thats not the case the 9s, are the 3.0 cp is 21700s I think I have seen a double stack 8Ah as well with 21700s
I was looking for a lightweight blower for my deck. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxgioZQl3J5wPGAeDINzbieKbT5qomSEx3 There are some huge trees around my house and the leaves and pods drop all over my deck. Having to move furniture around to sweep has become too big a chore. This blower was the answer. It is light enough for this 70yr old lady and powerful enough to blow all the tree droppings off my rather large deck. Thank you B&D. Be aware the cord is not included. I use a 3 prong outdoor cord 25' cord for my 12' x 20' deck. The cord retainer works very well, but don't try to pass the plug through it. That is NOT how it works. You just have to loop the cord and it works great. One of my best purchases. Very happy.
Just a reminder to see pinned comment, our HD12.0 battery is no longer pulling from all banks of cells RIP
So with batteries its $600 minimum. I'll stick with my Echo gas blower that'll likely blow the doors off of this.
Oddly I’m looking at this because my echo just crapped out. No more compression. Purchased in 2018. Always started in one or two pulls though, all summer twice a week until today.
It’s more for people With Milwaukee tools that already have a lot of batteries
I've had some great success with my Ryobi 40V Whisper Blower (MODEL: #RY40470) but unsure how it would stack up on this rankings chart. They've apparently released a newer Whisper 40V too, (MODEL: #RY404100) thats supposed to be 730 CFM at 190MPH. Seems impossibly overstated.
I'm already in the Ryobi family. And I do detailing and was looking at those exact leaf blowers. How do you like yours?
I have had a few of the 'other' top brands of blowers and am not a fan of Ryobi but I tried this blower...(meaning the Ryobi 730cfm 40volt Jason listed above) and I am impressed... its a keeper... way better than all the others I have tried... and seems to last a very reasonable amount of time.... meaning... I get the chore done before the battery is done. I like there 40v batteries and have added a 12" 40volt chainsaw from Ryobi as well... cut two 10-12" dia. trees completely down and up to firewood size... about 35-40ft tall.... with one and a half of the same battery's...
I never would have even thought to try these tools... I'm a Milwaukee fan.... but picked up a bunch of different "new in box" Ryobi tools at an action for super cheap and had to try them to see if they worked.... was not going to use them... just see if they powered on.... then sell them off..... I still have all of them....
been thinking I should try and paint the cases red or something.... so I can take them out in public....
@@mikeythanos it’s pretty good, very quite and the 40V batter seems to last a very long time.
@@mikeythanos I have been using Ryobi 40V HP blowers in a professional setting (maintaining 190 acre complex) for the last year. Zero issues other than the turbo button gets filled with dust and needs to be cleaned occasionally.
Power is phenomenal for a one-hand blower. If you use turbo button constantly, the batteries drain fast, which is why we have around 20 batteries lol.
I have a ry and its trash
I have the original Milwaukee blower and I'm actually surprised to see it at the end of this list as the thing does everything I ask it to - mostly just a quick dust off of the sidewalks, patio, and I use it to start very high heat campfires! My only comparison is an old black and decker 120v plug in unit though.
Same experience. I got my Milwaukee when they first came out and they were giving them away for $89 at Home Depot on sale. It does everything good enough except for one critical thing. I got the Ego 765 to dry my vehicles. I bought a 3D printed stubby nozzle and it is so much fun to blow dry my vehicles quickly because it is very powerful.
I actually prefer the Milwaukee with its lower output, I feather the trigger gently blow all my mower clippings down the driveway into the curb which makes it easy to sweep up using the curb to keep it all the clipping together. This is good on windy days when I want to keep clippings low to the ground so the wind does not carry them.
Same here! I use it to dry off my car and it does it very well!
same, at the price in the video its not worth it, but I got mine for like 150ish with a 5.0ah battery I think. Perfect for semi-drying the car before spray wax and cleaning the garage/porch. Big jobs requires the Stihl BR800 backpack blower anyways.
I got mine for 299 but it came with 2 8 ah high output batteries and a fast charger. I love mine but its definitely can't keep up during leaf season lol
@@Matt30188 good deal for those batteries, but yea I wouldn't be caught using it for leaves as the main blower. Need a real backpack blower, otherwise it'd take all day with any electric blower
I'd like to see how the DeWalt 60v stacks up.
Sucks batteries dry fast also killed one my 12ah batteries
I have the Craftsman 60 volt that is identical to the DeWalt and it is just as good or better than this Milwaukee I use mine for grass clippings but it is a good blower
Recently purchased a DeWalt DCBL772 and it works great for what I need it for. Would love to see it tested here, maybe even up against the 20v DCBL722, I couldn't find a good comparison video between the two. Would love to see if going with the 60v tool was a good use of money!
Another great way to save money is getting cheap batteries for opportunities when you don't need high amps. I use a $20 Amazon battery for light duty and get out the $100 DeWalt pack when I need the horsepower. By only using the expensive pack when I need it, it should last me a very long time.
I just got the 60v blower too. Its 600cfm seems like a stretch. When battery gets lower its power reduces but It has has a mind of its own sometimes on reducing power. Would love a high speed nozzle for it.
You got to test the 40V Makita (The one with a single battery)
I got one of them and feels quite powerful.
One "L" in powerful.
Would really like to see the Dewalt's put through the same testing...both the 1st and 2nd gen 20v and the 60v.
Definitely!
I have a 1/4 apex impact from 2014, gotten water and oils in it and it kept on ticking, batteries are still practically new after 8 years of use.
I have the 20v and I like it but the 4 hour battery dies pretty quick
@@ferndalehennessy Sure does. I researched and it got good reviews. I should have gone EGO.
I just got the Milwaukee 2724 as a "free tool" for black Friday ... and I was really impressed with it. I have an older corded Toro and an old Craftsman C3 battery blower (yes the battery is good) ... both of them are only used to blow off the porch, the deck or the driveway & really light duty stuff like pollen. I have to use my gas backpack for wet leaves.
So I'm impressed that the 2724 can blow wet leaves and is more powerful than the corded Toro ... it can't replace a gas backpack, but its good for what it does. I may actually buy a 2nd one so both kids go clean up and I can sit down.
But I would say a blower is more of something you buy for the battery system you've already decided to use. Its great to see a comparison. Thank you.
Recent sub here, and want to say I appreciate the effort you've put in on all the testing methodologies. First came across the channel early in the year when trying to decide on a new platform to replace my 20yr old Makita NiMH stuff. Keep up the great work!
"My Makita stuff lasts absolutely forever... but looking to change to something else"
Being that I have used the m18 (not sure if gen 1 or 2) while working for a lawn care company, I have found them to be completely reliable and absolutely capable for 90% of the work. As for the other 10%, when you need to break out the echo backpack blower, you break out the echo backpack blower. The boss was a Milwaukee fanboy and had the weed eaters also along with just about all the m18 shop tools that they made.
Personally, I have Dewalt for the few battery powered tools that I have and for lawn equipment I prefer gas but the Milwaukee stuff is quite good for what it is.
The m18 single battery in your test is actually a gen2 fuel blower.
Yup, you're spot on about that. Thought the current single battery WAS that but it appears to look more lego-block like than this one
Would like to see how my DeWalt 60v model stacks up. DCBL772.
Very curious to see how the Ego LB765 stacks up. I have a lot of M12 & M18 tools but for OPE went with Ego because they had a broader range of tools available
I have one and it’s amazing
Yes I’d like to see the big boy 765 on this test. I just joined the Ego family but I’m a huge Milwaukee owner.
I have many Milwaukee tools, but got into Ego a few years ago and have been impressed. The 765 cfm blower just showed up today, but sadly I am out of town so won’t be able to try it for a bit. Seems like a no brainer review for this channel!
EGo has far more powerful blowers out than the 530cfm unit. Would like to see the 700+cfm unit tested. Might as well try out a Makita 18x2 and the XGT 40V units too. Toro has a 60V blower that’s pretty decent. You might need to take the channel through an IPO to finance it, but comparisons against the bigger Stihl battery units would be awesome as well.
Interesting for sure! I'd like to see Makita's older but only 36v blower with two 6ah 1650 cell batteries tested in comparison.
Also DeWalt would be great to see in the future.
👍 As always great video and content guys!
The Ryobi #RY404010 (730cfm/190mph) 40v whisper series blower has been truly amazing for me over the past year. It it nearly as good as moving wet leaves as my Stihl BR600 backpack blower (albeit it doesn't last nearly as long).
Nice video . I’ve been impressed with my gen one blower. Needing two batteries sounds like a downside to me
I don't see a neck/shoulder strap either.
How do the 40V and 80V Kobalt's stand up in this category?
Sounds like a money grab. Hey guys here's a slightly better blower for 299 that requires u to buy 2 of our over priced batteries. Also I commented to get u off of 666 comments lol 😆
Two 18v 6ah batteries at 36v is still 6ah not 12ah..
Correct, but we're talking equivalent battery selection. Not tool motor usage. Two 6ah 18v batteries is 12ah @ 18V before you plug them into a 36V tool
@@TorqueTestChannel Oh ok, I see what you are trying to relay. Since it is a 36v tool and requires the batteries to be run in series I went with the actual AH.
Absolutely Love my Milwaukee tools, but, these blowers are an absolute JOKE!!! 500+ DOLLARS FOR THIS??? Ummm.... No. C'mon Milwaukee, you can do better.
Test the DeWalt Flexvolt leaf blower. Guarantee it blows all of them out of the water.
If there’s anything DeWalt can do, they can build outside equipment better than everyone. Ask Project Farm and Workshop Addict
Great review! I got the dual battery Makita one & I beat it to shit. Super reliable even after living in the back of my truck with the elements. I think I dropped it once and it chipped by the battery housing. Always running it with two 5ah and it does well on a medium sized yard without recharghing. Been going on for 4 years now no problems, would love to see your review on it. Thanks for the work! 💪
I’ve used the 18V Makita and own the 36V Makita. The 36 spanks the 18. I imagine it would do well in this test.
The thing that these channels can't test, is the reliability and longevity of tools. Makita is the Honda or Toyota of tools. May not be as sexy in some ways, but they will last a LONG TIME. Also, often times I hear that they have fallen behind, but yet people don't know they have the largest line of 18V/36V 1 battery type systems of anyone out there. Also, they gave been shipping intelligent fast chargers standard for like 10 years now that charge fast, but are intelligent to do it right not to harm the batteries
The 60volt craftsman will blow them all away, but it's no longer available.
could y’all do one for us plebs that still drag a cord around? lol wonder how the performances stack up.
I second this motion.
Yeet blower
Yeetus Maximus
It is worth mentioning that Makita also has 2x18 and a 40v blowers which are much better than the single 18v that was tested. Even F1 teams use that 2x18 model :)
I owned the 18v Makita but sold it to my cousin and bought the 36v Makita-the 36v is definitely a pretty big step up over the 18v.
Fist time ever owning electric leaf blower, I got the XBU02 dual 18v Makita. It was nice enough I sold my gas power blower.
Surprised the Dewalt blowers aren't in here considering they have couple of 60v versions now.
Wow, Milwaukee really failed on this product. I'm a fanboy but I won't be spending my money on this useless battery drainer. They should stick with impact wrenches.
I'd love to see the dewalt blowers tested, the 20v DCBL722B, flexvolt DCBL770B, flexvolt axial DCBL772B (which other reviewers seem to like, it should be toe-to-toe with the m36), and even the powerhead attachment blower DWOAS7BL.
yes please I just got the dewalt axial flexvolt and would like to see how it compares
The Dewalt 40V MAX blowers(DCBL590 & DCBL790) would also be neat to see tested.
@@obsessivecorvid Dewalt's 40v line is discontinued, so it's not relevant as a review. It'd still be nice as a comparison, to see how old higher-end compares to now though.
Even as an admitted Milwaukee fanboy I went with EGO for my outdoor equipment. EGO 615 for $199 with a 2.5 battery seems like a better deal than either Milwaukee.
Yup. I own 650cfm and that is a hell of a blower. My neighbour had a super loud STIHL backpack blower. He is considering getting one because the weight has become too much for him and the smell 😂.
I’m a Milwaukee fan but have ego for proper use
I just got a new Ryobi 40v brushless leaf blower, and it was a labor day sale from Home Depot for 200 bucks.... It came with the 40v battery, charger, and tool. Idk how Milwaukee will ever sell those lol
hi ttc :) any chance you can check out the makita 12v ratchet WR100DZ and the 12v brushless 3/8 impact gun DTW180Z i use both on a daily basis and find them to be great vs milwaukees stubby 12v gun and high speed ratchet but would love to see the rankings !! much love from australia
I just got the new Makita ratchet. I’ll send it to the channel if they want to use it
Milwaukee has shit batteries. The casing design makes them prone to failure, and they use cells notorious for going out of balance in them. Not to mention the pretty much non-existing BMS.
My Metabo batteries will last a decade while my milwaukee's SH** the bed quickly often (not all but definitely some!) I've lost more than one 9AH in less than a year. its sad.
So it still really sucks, just in a different way. No way I am buying an extra $120 in batteries for a device already $200 more than the competition.
Step it up milwaukee. Not interested in buying more batteries.
Still sucks and sorry Milwaukee but you are way to late doubling up on voltage. Electric blowers are for grandma to blow off some dry dirt on the driveway any $300 backpack blower will do the job 50 times better than any of these. This is one electric tool you shouldn’t waste money on.
I fail to see how two 6ah battery make 12ah, if the tool was 18v and used two battery then it amp's would double. But as it's 36v from two batteries amp's remain as posted on battery. Parallel vs series. How many other tests where compared with wrong amperage?
That new blower should only be 199 and the 1st gen should be thrown in the trash.
Agreed. With the cost of batteries it's nearly 3x the price of many of it's equally capable competitors.
This is an industry wide problem that cheaper products, like Black and Decker blowers, solve with enhanced nozzle design. Blowing air everywhere out of a rounded nozzle is inherently inefficient, a waste of energy. Aftermarket sellers do sell the replacement nozzle tips for Milwaukee Fuel 18 volt blowers that makes the tool far more usable for blowing leaves. Try it.
Except the M18 isn't a cheaper product. It costs $40 more than the 36V Makita with batteries and a 2 slot fast charger.
@@RabidBadger_ There are really good aftermarket batteries for this specific applications made by Dsanke. A 9.0 amp hour battery is only about $38 No other aftermarket 18V Milwaukee battery is any good. Bought 10 of them so far with no failures. No, they will not test as strong as a genuine battery, they are less than 20% the cost of the original battery, perfect for this application. Do not use this aftermarket battery in any tool that vibrates excessively, like rotary hammer and sawzall.
A nine minute battery life is a toy sold as a tool. A completely novelty for the manufacturer and a cash grab polluting with no benefit.
perfect for someone with a cookie cutter home and a lot size barely bigger than their house.
terrible for someone with acreage and trees. thats where gas is king.
I’m just trying to push leaves around, not rip them out of existence. I like my Gen 1 🙃
I would love to see you test and compare the Makita 18x2 36v blower. It's what I've used for years now and it can move gravel
I used to be a tti rep in Texas and along the years during training they said advertising 20V was misleading but later they released Hart 20v power tools, they said Ego placing the motor on the 56V trimmer bump head was dumb, then they did that that on the Gen 2 58V Echo trimmer, they said Makita requiring two 18v batteries was bad for the consumer and M18 Fuel did not need to do that to produce the power the consumers wanted, then this happened. They said Ego releasing carbon fiber shafts on their trimmers was a gimmick, how Ryobi makes 40V carbon fiber shaft trimmers, they said DeWalt measuring how many watt hours produced was dumb and did not translate to power and now they know it’s very important for some if not many. I definitely drank the TTi marketing koolaid at first but then I realized some companies do it better so why not adopt that ?!
My m18 blower rocks. Not sure where the complaints are coming from but it does everything I need it to with ease. Grass, leaves, dirt, small gravel
Generally I think people will first get into cordless tools with a drill and driver combo and pretty much stick with that brand to keep things simple unless there is a huge price difference that offsets the cost of another set of batteries and charger. I've been with the Milwaukee battery family, both M12 and M18, for at least 12 years. I've owned Makita, Dewalt and Ryobi. I think Milwaukee, Makita and Dewalt are some of the best brands you can buy, some will be better than others in various fields.
Nope!
I buy the bargain tools on sale.
I ended up with Ridgid, Ryobi, Dewalt, Milwaukee, Kobalt, Makita, and Ego.
Rainbow of colors.
Im now looking into Flex. 😆
Absolutely, well said. DeWalt makes incredible saws (miter, table). Makita, albeit, not the most powerful, but are the most dependable. Waukie produces some extremely powerful tools, but not in every department. It pays to do your research for sure. Where I give Waukie its props is their no BS warranty. I know, I have used it several times, and they generally have a service center in most major metropolitan cities. Drop off, wait a week or so, pick up. Ain't no crazy shipping charges (consider a DeWalt miter or table saw, for larger tools). However, Waukie falls short on several of their tools: M18 planer, M18 cutoff tool (for sure!), M18 lawn mower, etc.
@@wt9653 I used to have the various manufacturers also, but as the equipment slowly died from repeated use each day, I started replacing everything with Milwaukee. Almost everyone I talk to is being forced into brand loyalty by which battery pack they have.
My m18 fuel will run for about 30 min on a 12 amp battery.
I'd check out the DeWalt DCBL772X1. $299 with a battery and seems to do a really good job
Is there any significant difference in 18/24/40/80v blowers? Does drastically increasing volts equal more beans or better runtime?
Those shitty ass blowers belong in the trash. The batteries last a few minutes at best.
I have the single battery version….Sucks
I’d like to see you run the DeWalt FlexVolt blower with the axial fan and 3ah battery, and Toro makes a blower for the 60V system that comes with a 4aH battery.
Those would be nice to see added to this list.
I came here to ask this, too. I have the DeWalt axial flexvolt blower (it's pretty awesome) because I have a bunch of batteries already. I also recently bought into the Toro ecosystem and have been wondering if it's worth the switch.
@@toddlynch7282 I’ve got both. I got the FlexVolt blower because I also have one of their trimmers as well as circ saw. Recently bought in to Toro for a mower and snow blower, and could use an extra blower on a different battery system for fall leaf clean up.
Unscientifically speaking, I like the FlexVolt more, but it would be good to see the two quantitatively measured against other OPE tools.
The flexvolt only works with 60v batteries
I have both Milwaukee models, a Dewalt 60v model and all are comparable when doing actual work. I like all of them, they are effective for both yard cleanup and drying cars. I really cannot say that the new Milwaukee is dramatically more powerful than the single battery Milwaukee and Dewalt that I own, but again they are all more than capable. I run these along handheld gas Stihl and Echo models and both gas models easily out power my battery powered blowers. However, each have their place and if you are looking for quick setup and easy use and the lightest possible weight, battery powered is really nice, however with 2 M18 batteries makes the new Milwaukee pretty clunky to use especially when drying vehicles. For yard clean up it is not an issue, but again, I really have not seen a performance advantage over the other two battery blowers that own.
For drying vehicles which do you like better? Milwaukee single battery or the dewalt 60v? Thanks!
I'll spend my money on extension cords.
@@1pcfred yep, lots more time running back and forth to move the cord around 😎
I know the Ego LB7654 leaf blower is only $30 more, has reasonably better specs (on paper), and comes with a battery and charger.
it just feels to me that the last year or two, Milwaukee has just been making standard products (shop-vac, lawn mower, leaf blower, weed eater), and charging extra because their name is on it.
I mean example being, the Kobalt 80v leaf blower has the exact same specs, and a battery and charger for $50 less.
If it weren’t for the fact I’m already deeply invested in M18 platform, I would snag the Makita 10/10 times.
Ok so it wasn't just me that thought the m18 blower dies waaaay too soon. We have a ryobi 40V blower that isnt as powerful but lasts 2x as long. the upside is the m18 blower moves 2x the leaves in that same timeframe so it evens out. Got it as a free tool when i bought the trimmer so can't complain too much about a free tool
Would be nice to see some DeWalt models on the list; they have 5 blowers that I can think of through the gen 2 20V and gen 2 60V would seem to be the best to test. They also make a 20v mini blower but it is quite horrible.
I have the Gen 2 myself and I like it. Come fall, the battery life isn’t enough though. I have two 8AH, one 5AH, two 4AH, and two 2AH batteries. I give up after draining the 5AH battery. It’s just too annoying to grab battery after battery, and I end up picking up the gas Stihl blower.
Yet my 1980s McCullough eager beaver 2 stroke blower vac from Kmart still running and killing the competition, season after season... funny how these Electriflakes just blow debris as if it will just magically go away LMAO
At a certain point it really is all about the voltage … which is why I have a 56 volt blower … plus it was on sale
Considering batteries are the money makers you'd think milwaukee would be all for convincing us we need 2 big batteries
The new m18 Dual Battery model is working well for me. Much better than the previous model. I use 2 3.0’s to drop the weight or 2 8.0s when I want more runtime. I do wish it had a lower pitch to the motor, more like the Ego, but I like the slide switch, battery level lights and am surprised to find the bottom handle convenient for some angles of use. Might have to take it apart and try to find a sound dampening hack…
Gotta see the 60v dewalt and maybe the trimmer attachment blowers!
I have the Makita XGT 40v blower and it's a beast. I'd love to see it on the ranking.
Definitely agree, I've got both the 40v xgt and the 18v x2 Makita blowers. the 40v has noticeably more power over the 18v x2. I'd love to see the 40v XGT tested.
LET'S GO!!!🏁
My Craftsman V60 leaf blower is three or four years old and has 600 CFM and it sure as hell wasn't $299..(I paid $169)..Millwaukee should be ashamed ☝️
I love this channel so much fun! Thanks for the great videos and hard work!!
I have the single battery, it’s kind of a turd. I haven’t used any other battery operated ones, but used lots of various sizes and budgets of gas powered blowers, some pro and some import store budget brand. I wish I’d just bought a gas powered unit. Mostly blow farm equipment off with it, snow off vehicles, leaves sometimes.
Gotta add the Makita X2 to the chart now. I'd been looking at it and went with the 18V for the cheaper combo with a trimmer after a friend got it and said it was working fine for him. If Makita had a battery one that wears as a backpack, I'd probably have gotten it. The runtime with the single battery Makita is the biggest disappointment. I seem to get 80-90% done after mowing and have to pop in a 2nd battery.
Makita has a battery backpack for sale $164 at HD
If the 18v are in series to make 36v, you aren't going to get 6ah plus 6ah for 12 total (parallel). You would just be seeing 6ah when in series. Unless Milwaukee has figured out some wizardry... lol. Love the videos from your channel, keep them coming!
They were 6ah + 6ah before plugging them into the blower, basically just showing an equivalent battery selection to the previous gen model
@@TorqueTestChannel I get what you meant, but using 2 in series wont net the same as the hd12 (4:20 mark) in terms of total AH is all I getting at to avoid confusion for others. On that note... wonder what 2 in parallel on the gen 1 would do with extra amps... probably nothing, but be interesting.
With the runtime boost - I almost want to say its a brushless motor controller that can carry more current overall but running only the ~10% or so power boost shown in the test. Even on the M18 fuel tools, they have divided the load across 4 subpacks in the battery (5 pins). Now they can double the power output (same voltage , x2 current draw capability) because its across 8 subpacks. It may come out with a net voltage of 18 or 36 on the motor, but the brushless controller still is pulling from 8x 4.5v subpacks. Since it's not a traditional DC motor, but rather a brushless + switching circuit, the power consumption isn't apples to apples. You're correct assuming 100% load, but the brushless motor controller can dictate the power output at whatever they please. So that's why the performance vs runtime is very important to look at.
That is what I asked Milwaukee. Why add another battery to add more power to a powerful leaf blower when what was really needed was more amp hours this should be wired in parallel. They didn’t answer back.
Dewalt 60v Flexvolt
I have the Milwaukee gen2 leaf blower and was so disappointed in it. I have to constantly borrow my neighbors Stihl blower to do any serious leaf blowing.. The gen2 only works for easy stuff like garage or driveway clean up for me.
Thank you for doing this... keep up on the yard tools!
I have the original lead blower and it’s completely sufficient for yard work. Idk why people are hating on it.
Me too. Blows out my sidewalk, driveway, back patio just fine. I realize there are higher performance battery blowers, but my mechanic and carpenter tools are M-18 and sticking with one battery format is a big plus.
Hey guys. Love the work you're doing. It's awesome to see these tests. But I've got to tell you my M18 leaf blower with a single 12ah battery. (I only have one 12ah battery.) Anyhow that set to last way longer. I'm talking 25 to almost 40 min. Of course that low end is with the high setting. And the higher end is with the lower setting. So I've got to say, there has to be something wrong with your battery, or the blower or something. I can't even begin to comprehend why 9 min came up in this "MILWAUKEE" focused video.. lol
I know you guys are in California but I'd be interested in seeing you test the Masterforce brand of tools from Menards. They are a serious competitor to Loews and Home depot for most everything and it would be interesting to see if their in-house cordless brand is actually competitive to the likes of Chervon and TTI offerings
Me too...
Hardly anybody puts them into any head-to-head or tool comparisons so there isn't a whole lot of information available out there to make a decision from a consumer standpoint
Another issue here... At 4:20 y'all said that you were using two 6 Ah batteries to equal the 12 Ah you used in the older version, implying it'll last about the same amount of time because they're both 12 Ah with that setup. But, that's only correct if both were running at 18v. Because the batteries in the new one are in parallel and it's therefore running at 36v, it effectively works out to 6 Ah instead of the 12 Ah you were attempting to accomplish (yes, I know, ignore the simplifications, but you get the idea).
This was fixed some with the final results using 8 Ah batteries all around, but it would have been good to correct that misconception.
There is some info out there that the 6AH High output M18 battery uses larger Lithium Cells that a capable of better amperage output, compared to the 8 and 12 High Output versions.
@@manorin It's all about what cells they're using. Makes no difference in the Ah of the pack but rather how it was built.
The newer 8 and 12 Ah packs will use the newer cells in time too. So that's really a moot point anyway. The main issue is that 2 6 Ah batteries at 36 V 1 12 Ah battery at 18 v
Hi TTC! Love the videos. I am currently building an m12 battery with Samsung 4000mah 21700 cells and was wondering if you all would have any interest in testing it on the dyno?
If y’all want to demo a dual LXT Makita blower, I got a new one y’all can use.
Test it against my great grandmothers rake.
@@pflaffik are we tester her rake, or her and her rake.
600-800 CFM corded blowers are $50-$90, weigh eight pounds or less, and run all day. If you need this sort of power and plugs are handy, I can't see an argument for cordless.
One argument is for guys that already have batteries, some discretionary spending and don't want to deal with cords.
It's a compromise between gas and cords.
Dragging a cord out. Getting the cord stuck on numerous obstacles. Cord tangles. Cords coming unplugged. Running out of length. Having to wind the cord back up and put it away. Those would be my top arguments for cordless. Corded blowers do have great power.
I'd love to see this against the Dewalt 60v DCBL772.
Ah, adult guys with leafblowers, looking so manly and dont even cry when a random old lady finishes the job 5x faster with a rake. Thats true evolution.
I raced my buddy with a rake once. I lost by a little bit, but my side of the yard looked better and didn't need an extra walkabout for twigs and debris.
Works fine for a battery powered hand held blower, not sure what more you can expect out of it. I've also got a gas powered Stihl backpack blower for the bigger jobs and they complement each other well.
curious to see if they make some impact drivers with 2 18V batteries
makita does that for their 36V line of tools like chainsaws, rotary hammers and weed whackers, all using the same 18V battery
Great video, thanks for the comparisons you do! I highly recommend the new 765 cfm ego so we can see what the best of the best is actually capable of.
Question though - why include a wh as tested column? It seems to artificially inflate some tools based on using enormous batteries and potentially penalize smaller battery tools. The battery size is already accounted for in the weight, runtime, and $ as tested so it seems to obfuscate the results.
Thanks torque!
I'd have to agree. The number doesent matter, only the performance. It's like rewarding inefficency.
For 2 reasons, 1 to list and compare batteries sizes we used to get the numbers for future episodes. And 2) Battery is accounted for negatively in weight and cost, and only positively in runtime. For example if the kit it comes in includes a large battery for that price instead of a small one, it should benefit from that large battery being included.
Test your battery if you have low runtime. I found out the other day that one of my battery wasnt balanced and two cell were at 3.2v while the other 8 were at 3.8. The bms will cut power if any cell drop below 3v for safety reasons.
Spot on, see new pinned comment. Thanks!
Can we talk about how bullshit it is that you can give DeWalt and Milwaukee multiple hundreds per (large) battery and still have to junk a batt in X months because there are no available chargers that balance the pack?
My Porter Cable clearance Drill/Driver kit can do it.
First page of the chargers manual is something like, "for best results leave batteries on charger for over 8 hours to run cell balancing. Recommended every month"
FROM THE BUDGET BRAND.
- Signed: Man tired of losing M12 and FlexVolt batteries.
I demoed one at the tool store with their rep. It was nice but not enough to displace my dual batter LXT Makita. The factory rubber tip nozzle accessory is a huge plus. Also their 100% removable tube is nice.
with a flat head screwdriver you can take the tube off the milwaukee
@@jc5495 the guy was able to do it free hand somehow. You could tell it was not easy however.
@@7mpowerd there is a big black tab I believe to take it off.
I'm curious to see how the DeWalt 60v DCBL770 places on this chart.
Being the Makita guy I am, the obvious choices are the 18Vx2 and the XGT ones. The XGT does have a higher rating, with its "boost" mode. Runtime still isn't great with a 40V 4.0Ah battery (15 or so mins), although when I tested it I basically was in 'boost" mode the entire time. It's supposed to kick out of boost into regular high when temps get too hot, but I basically went from 100%-0% on a warm day and it didn't kick down at all, so my results are basically worst case scenario.
At the end of the day the 18V one is fine for my yard so it's what I personally own.
As a Makita guy i rather use a rake or sweeper.
You can't add the voltage AND the amp hours at the same time. It's either one.
Also: cubic feet and miles per hour? Really...?
We didn't add voltage, we said we were using 2 18V 6ah batteries, which is 12ah worth of 18v batteries like used on the other blower. We test vs the numbers on the box, I didn't invent cubic feet
@@TorqueTestChannel I understand what you tried to do, but then you need to compare Wh of one pack vs two packs. Ah without voltage never serves any purpose when comparing energy. That's like if the manufacturer just added the Ah of all individual cells of the battery pack together, without considering whether they are in series or parallel. You were talking about 18 vs 36 V after all.
@@TorqueTestChannel Although I do understand that it is not your fault when manufacturers try to be as non-comparable as possible, unless they want to beat competition in numbers.
I have for example for my cordless Bosch drill two batteries. One claims 10.8V and 2Ah, the other 12V and 3Ah. Obviously the cell chemistry is the same, they just want to make the latter one more desirable.
Anyway, I wish companies would put the actual energy in Wh on their batteries, and consider discharge voltage and amps as well.
I bought the gen 1 Mildub. Yeah... it blows. Well, for the 10 minutes my 9.0HD battery lasts. I bought it when it first came out (5? 6? years ago now?) and it was during one of their frequent "buy a tool, get an extra battery" things. So, at I have/had 2 batteries to use. One of those 2 now lasts about 2 minutes if I'm lucky, so it's going under the knife to get some cell swapping done. Most all of my M18 batteries are from circa 2013 BTW! I'm religious about never cook them, never let them freeze. Treat them nice, they WILL last!
It's hard for me to believe that people aren't satisfied with the 2724 model. I have one, and even without HD batteries, I haven't had any trouble with lack of performance or run time.
I have a small yard, and even still with 6-9 minutes I'd be hard pressed to finish it.
@@TorqueTestChannel Really? Maybe it's just because most of my experience comes from using it to clean up clippings after I mow and weedeat. I have the lawnmower, and, using the two HD12.0 batteries it came with, I can do all of my mowing (usually drops the mower fuel gauge to two bars) and then put one battery in my weedeater and use it to do all of my edging and weedeating, and then put the other one in my blower and use it to clean everything up, and neither of them come close to running out. My yard isn't huge, but that's still a LOT of work getting done on two batteries - even the 12.0s.
Admittedly, I've never really used it to blow leaves. Haha! However, my neighbor used it to blow leaves at his place, and, though I doubt he actually timed it, he said he was getting about 15 minutes on an XC5.0. Again, I have no hard data on that.
Thank you for replying!
I have the single battery Milwaukee and it is great. I mow my lawn, use the Milwaukee string trimmer to trim the whole yard, and then take the 8ah battery from the trimmer and put it in the blower and blow my driveway, sidewalks(I live on a corner lot, so we have triple the distance) and steps and the battery is only down 1 to 3 bars. Great longevity and great performance.
@@chadfallon3378 Yup! I've been able to do similar stuff with one XC5.0!
@@TorqueTestChannel I have gen 1 and gen two and use them one in each hand for the hard days. It actually works as one hand can do a circular motion to lift the leaves while the other is pointed up to blow them once they are airborne.
Good video!
Good info.
I love my $79 Worx corded 250mph 2spd leaf blower.
And it mulches great.
The large diameter tube is quieter, and don't clog as easy when mulching.
Very strong!
And go figure I just bought the M18 single battery version....
But I paid $169 for mine, and I got a free 5.0AH battery with it so I can't really complain too much.
you really need to test the GEN 1 MILWAUKEE m18 blower...we ahe 2 of the gen 1 blowers and one gen 2 we are always picking the gen 1 blowers.