I love these bows. And their tools can and will serve their purpose at some point. I hunt the Adirondacks in upstate NY and was miles from my vehicle on a hunt and cut my string accidentally. Had a backup in my pack and was able to fix my bow and keep hunting. Never know when ur gonna need it.
I bought my APA Black Mamba Air over the summer, and I am still in love with it. I think the cam design of all APA bows make them feel more aggressive. Where you hear some people with some bows say, "This doesn't feel like 70 lbs," well an APA at 70 lbs feels like 70 lbs and can feel jumpy off that back wall, especially if you don't get that limb stop in a good position for you. So, what i did was I turned my Mamba Air down to 60 lbs and even with my 27in draw length, i only lost about 6 fps with my arrows (still spitting faster than most bows at my draw length), yet it was so much more comfortable to shoot. Most days, unless I was in the woods, I was shooting 100 to 200 arrows and sometimes more. In 2 months, I wore out my d-loop. I think if you don't like the feel of the APAs or it feels harder than you are used to with other bows at a given weight, turn it down 5 or 10 pounds and I believe you will like how the APA feels then. As your body gets stronger and more used to it, you can turn it up 2-5 pounds ever couple of months. Thats what I have done. I do wonder what APAs would be like if they had adjustable let-off, hopefully that will be in the future for their cams.
That thing is a trip, even the riser is slithery snakey looking. Thank you Brandon for all your awesome and unique reviews. There should always be a solid limb option out there.
Brandon, thanks for doing this review. APA Bows have served me well in both eastern whitetail setups, as well as 2-week western backpack setups for elk and muleys. For clarification, the hardware upgrade that APA offers is Titanium hardware, not stainless steel. Keep up the great reviews!
If there was more dealer support. These bows would dominate the industry. And to think....these have been the same bow designs from APA for almost 10 years. Let that sink in. The bow has been around that long in its current design. And the previous model was similar for the 10 Yeats before that. Best bows in the world.
Hey Brandon, Great review. I know it might be repetitive, but could you do a review on the BM33? There are really no good reviews out there for that bow as far as the speed, feel, and stability go. Would really appreciate it!
Been looking forward to this one. Was gonna check out the black mamba 29 for my wife but I found a great deal on an elite allure. Still the only guy shooting like a real guy practices for a review. Pj from Lancaster is doing it but you do it better. I got my spectra e after watching your review and finding one cheap.
Another great review. Being a 30” dl myself I was interested in the BM33 but hard to find a used one. I was gonna say one thing to add to the review is a let down. My xcentric at 64lbs and probably 75% let off is easier to let down then my spectra e at 59lbs and 85% let off. I like the valley and let off on the spectra for hunting but will be contacting darton about the adjustable let off mods for the spectra.
I have an obsession fx30 and even at 28in draw I am over 300 feet per second with a 400 grain arrow . The draw cycle is very smooth for the 360 ibo speed.
You look lethally strong and this still looks like a lot of effort to draw and hold. I have a 2011 King Cobra and the same thing trying to hold the draw for time. I am going to watch your channel now that I am back into archery,
apa, elite and darton were big names 2005 to around 2015 in my country, very hard to find them now. mathews and bowtech out performs them, hoyt nearly disappears (lucky they had fanatics hoyt only fans). you can buy hoyt and pse anytime, they dont sell out. back orders suck for mathews and bowtech, wish darton and apa didn’t disappear
I have their DG love it, but the only thing I wish Nibal would do differently is switch to split limbs instead of solids. I have had to replace those damn limbs like 6 times in Nearly two years😠
@@brandonpatterson5705You will be fine, Mathews Bow's will have a bearing go out, before that happens. I know a guy that shoots apa for years and has never had a problem yet. Honestly if APA was in the States they would be in the top 5 no doubt. My next bow is going to be the 2024 Pro bow for Backcountry hunts.
@@brandonpatterson5705 I’ve cracked like 6 limbs in two years using their DG at 100lb draw 🤐they needa do something diff about their limb design. Def a weak point
From years of hunting it has slowly become my target speed, after shooting hundreds of bows and different arrow set ups seems to be on average the higher end of what I can get with the arrows weight I like to use, just trying to balance arrow grain and fps, I like to be right around 475-500 grains, honestly what I caught myself hoping I would be in somewhere along the way
Yeah, he was pretty critical of the Core SR draw... Too much so I think. I bought the Core SR and shoot it on performance and it definitely has a tough spot at the back of the cycle but it's not that bad. Previously, I was shooting an 80 lb PSE Omen with the fastest cam. It was absolutely scalding fast but the draw cycle on it would wear your shoulder out. In fact it did mine. I ended up buying a Hoyt VTM 33. I hated it. I'm just not a Hoyt guy. I purchased it because of the super smooth draw but it's the slowest bow that I've owned in a while. I ended up going with the BowTech Core SR and I dropped my arrow weight. For me it's going to be the perfect happy medium between speed and draw cycle. It might be my favorite bow that I've ever owned. And if I ever get to where I'm having shoulder problems I can just flip the disc. Plus BowTech has a lot of built-in technology for the at-home tune.
@@rupertmedford3901nice, it seems like Mathews lift is steeling the lime light, but Bowtech's bows this year are solid with some great tech. I almost bought the SR 350, and went with the SS instead, I hunt Midwest white tail and turkey, high 280's ft/sec works well for me. I run a 452 gr. Arrow and shoot on performance, smooth as butter. Glad to hear you landed on Bowtech!
I don't chase speed and this looks so touchy....if I cannot relax on the shot it's a no go! I have shot one of these at a sportsman's show and it was nice....it wasn't this model
Noone has these available near me but i could probably have it ordered in looks like my kinda bow id just turn down the draw weight to help with hold time
@@stevenmoore3850 I will second what Brandon stated regarding their customer service. They just launched this new website last week. I think they are still working out some kinks.
Most difficult bows to tune and keep their tune I had one 3 years ago and hated it Maybe they changed something now i’m just not going to risk buying another one oh, and by the way, my PSE xpedite was slightly faster than the black mamba both at 70 pounds
The tech in the riser seems to make sense but not so much. I carry in a hunting bag with my tools, headlamp, flashlight, extra gloves, bow ropes, and something to drink so having what this riser offers is pointless. Next I have shot quite a few bows and have for sure found large rounded cams to have the least labor intensive draw aka elite sp2 and hoyt hbx pro or athen's cams. With those tiny cams that bow has to be horrible to draw after 50 shots?
Oh Brandon.....you think I don't SEE that Dragon 10 box over there? Cause I do....lol....making Christmas 🎄 dreams coming true lol.... I kept remembering Hoyt had to make me 32" modules ( but with old man brain I decided to have my wife measure to different ways ) looks like I remembered right at least 31.5 plus .5 loop...where I feel is about where I used to anchor to a bent arm doing a mental rep...that takes SO many bows out the running for me because it's certainly no less than 31.5..UG
2005 to 2013 bows were built to last and very high performance. now speeds are slower, harder to tune, extremely gimmicky nonsense. apa did have to bow tools built in way back then, back then, real tests now, most modern bows iare reality 335 is 316, 344 is 333, 350 is 340 if you can f around tuning them, something that wasnt needed way back then. technology going backwards rapidity no wonder people replace bows every year. it’s crazy
you want a bow at your draw length for peek performance dont buy a bow you can adjust, its a massive decline in speed. people are so whimpy these days, then complain the bow doesnt come near the speaks
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I love these bows. And their tools can and will serve their purpose at some point. I hunt the Adirondacks in upstate NY and was miles from my vehicle on a hunt and cut my string accidentally. Had a backup in my pack and was able to fix my bow and keep hunting. Never know when ur gonna need it.
Thanks for the insight and comment
I bought my APA Black Mamba Air over the summer, and I am still in love with it. I think the cam design of all APA bows make them feel more aggressive. Where you hear some people with some bows say, "This doesn't feel like 70 lbs," well an APA at 70 lbs feels like 70 lbs and can feel jumpy off that back wall, especially if you don't get that limb stop in a good position for you. So, what i did was I turned my Mamba Air down to 60 lbs and even with my 27in draw length, i only lost about 6 fps with my arrows (still spitting faster than most bows at my draw length), yet it was so much more comfortable to shoot. Most days, unless I was in the woods, I was shooting 100 to 200 arrows and sometimes more. In 2 months, I wore out my d-loop.
I think if you don't like the feel of the APAs or it feels harder than you are used to with other bows at a given weight, turn it down 5 or 10 pounds and I believe you will like how the APA feels then. As your body gets stronger and more used to it, you can turn it up 2-5 pounds ever couple of months. Thats what I have done.
I do wonder what APAs would be like if they had adjustable let-off, hopefully that will be in the future for their cams.
I have this bow and I love it. Just smoked a bull elk at 56yards, went thru two ribs lol. This bow is no joke
💨
This bow and company intrigue me more than any other.
Gotta do a test drive...
Love the APA bows.. good to see a thorough review.
i own the black mamba 33 and it one of the best bow i have use to this day
Nice review once again Brandon, I like how you explain everything in detail and know what you are talking about.
That thing is a trip, even the riser is slithery snakey looking. Thank you Brandon for all your awesome and unique reviews. There should always be a solid limb option out there.
Unless of course they can’t handle the wear and keep splitting in the “v” 👎
Another great review on a bow that is outside the box. It has everything you need in the woods. And will get the job done.
Brandon, thanks for doing this review.
APA Bows have served me well in both eastern whitetail setups, as well as 2-week western backpack setups for elk and muleys.
For clarification, the hardware upgrade that APA offers is Titanium hardware, not stainless steel.
Keep up the great reviews!
Yes correct I mispoke thanks for clarifying
Man the reflex on that bow is huge
If there was more dealer support. These bows would dominate the industry.
And to think....these have been the same bow designs from APA for almost 10 years. Let that sink in. The bow has been around that long in its current design. And the previous model was similar for the 10 Yeats before that. Best bows in the world.
Yes because they're Canadian made bows they don't get enough exposure but they're truly up there with the best brands
Hey Brandon,
Great review. I know it might be repetitive, but could you do a review on the BM33? There are really no good reviews out there for that bow as far as the speed, feel, and stability go. Would really appreciate it!
Been looking forward to this one. Was gonna check out the black mamba 29 for my wife but I found a great deal on an elite allure. Still the only guy shooting like a real guy practices for a review. Pj from Lancaster is doing it but you do it better. I got my spectra e after watching your review and finding one cheap.
Another great review. Being a 30” dl myself I was interested in the BM33 but hard to find a used one. I was gonna say one thing to add to the review is a let down. My xcentric at 64lbs and probably 75% let off is easier to let down then my spectra e at 59lbs and 85% let off. I like the valley and let off on the spectra for hunting but will be contacting darton about the adjustable let off mods for the spectra.
I have an obsession fx30 and even at 28in draw I am over 300 feet per second with a 400 grain arrow . The draw cycle is very smooth for the 360 ibo speed.
In my mind it went from gimmick to that features cool, that’s cool, that’s cool too, then that bow is just freakin cool lol
😂
Brandon,
Please review a BM33!! We need it!
Nice review like's APA's Bows
APA make great bows.
Thanks for the rundown.
And lovely dog. I think he saved you from your cat in the back yard! 😂
You look lethally strong and this still looks like a lot of effort to draw and hold. I have a 2011 King Cobra and the same thing trying to hold the draw for time. I am going to watch your channel now that I am back into archery,
I have King Cobra in 94lbs - it sits on the wall most of the time!
WOW! Why did you get such a heavy poundage bow? @@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610
My new Whitetail Maxx is 3.8#, but then I loaded it up with stabilizers...LOL.
apa, elite and darton were big names 2005 to around 2015 in my country, very hard to find them now. mathews and bowtech out performs them, hoyt nearly disappears (lucky they had fanatics hoyt only fans). you can buy hoyt and pse anytime, they dont sell out. back orders suck for mathews and bowtech, wish darton and apa didn’t disappear
Lift 33 vs BMpro!!! 2024 hunting bows of the year🤌🏿
That’s gone be a good thumb button/hinge bow.
I have their DG love it, but the only thing I wish Nibal would do differently is switch to split limbs instead of solids. I have had to replace those damn limbs like 6 times in Nearly two years😠
That dg is busting limbs
@@BackyardBows have you heard of other stories as well?
@@paulheberling2750 ?
@@BackyardBows other stories of the dg busting limbs?
@@paulheberling2750 no not personally
Dang watch the upper limb from rest position to full draw position they bend like freaking crazy wow no wonder they get 360fps
First thing I noticed when editing
@@BackyardBows man I’d be scared to shoot to much for fear of cracking a limb or bending an axle 🤣
@@brandonpatterson5705You will be fine, Mathews Bow's will have a bearing go out, before that happens.
I know a guy that shoots apa for years and has never had a problem yet.
Honestly if APA was in the States they would be in the top 5 no doubt.
My next bow is going to be the 2024 Pro bow for Backcountry hunts.
@@brandonpatterson5705
I’ve cracked like 6 limbs in two years using their DG at 100lb draw 🤐they needa do something diff about their limb design. Def a weak point
Why is your target FPS in the 280? I’ve heard that along my shooting times from a few people but why?
From years of hunting it has slowly become my target speed, after shooting hundreds of bows and different arrow set ups seems to be on average the higher end of what I can get with the arrows weight I like to use, just trying to balance arrow grain and fps, I like to be right around 475-500 grains, honestly what I caught myself hoping I would be in somewhere along the way
Great review! How does the draw cycle of Apa's bow compare to BT's Core SR? I think you hated that draw cycle if I recall correctly.
Yeah, he was pretty critical of the Core SR draw... Too much so I think. I bought the Core SR and shoot it on performance and it definitely has a tough spot at the back of the cycle but it's not that bad. Previously, I was shooting an 80 lb PSE Omen with the fastest cam. It was absolutely scalding fast but the draw cycle on it would wear your shoulder out. In fact it did mine. I ended up buying a Hoyt VTM 33. I hated it. I'm just not a Hoyt guy. I purchased it because of the super smooth draw but it's the slowest bow that I've owned in a while. I ended up going with the BowTech Core SR and I dropped my arrow weight. For me it's going to be the perfect happy medium between speed and draw cycle. It might be my favorite bow that I've ever owned. And if I ever get to where I'm having shoulder problems I can just flip the disc. Plus BowTech has a lot of built-in technology for the at-home tune.
@@rupertmedford3901nice, it seems like Mathews lift is steeling the lime light, but Bowtech's bows this year are solid with some great tech. I almost bought the SR 350, and went with the SS instead, I hunt Midwest white tail and turkey, high 280's ft/sec works well for me. I run a 452 gr. Arrow and shoot on performance, smooth as butter. Glad to hear you landed on Bowtech!
I don't chase speed and this looks so touchy....if I cannot relax on the shot it's a no go! I have shot one of these at a sportsman's show and it was nice....it wasn't this model
Would this bow be difficult for a beginner to set up and tune if I ordered one
U should take a look at the Darton consequence, looks to be a good bow for the price
Ordered can’t wait for that one
Let’s go Brandon 😂. Great review and sweet bow.
Let’s go Brandon 💪
Hey man I’m still waiting on my hat I purchased a long time ago under Travis Jones
Yea so sorry about that we ran out before I could update system, I can refund u because the new hats won’t be in for a little
Pass cool riser though
Noone has these available near me but i could probably have it ordered in looks like my kinda bow id just turn down the draw weight to help with hold time
Test drive it
@BackyardBows not sure where i go to do that there website only gives me access to view the catalog email and call them
@@stevenmoore3850 call em they have great customer service
@@stevenmoore3850 I will second what Brandon stated regarding their customer service.
They just launched this new website last week. I think they are still working out some kinks.
My biggest complaint is the reflex on that riser is ridiculous, that thing would be so torquey and unforgiving
Just gotta be better bra
Elite Terrain is that light or lighter
Most difficult bows to tune and keep their tune
I had one 3 years ago and hated it
Maybe they changed something now i’m just not going to risk buying another one
oh, and by the way, my PSE xpedite was slightly faster than the black mamba both at 70 pounds
The tech in the riser seems to make sense but not so much. I carry in a hunting bag with my tools, headlamp, flashlight, extra gloves, bow ropes, and something to drink so having what this riser offers is pointless. Next I have shot quite a few bows and have for sure found large rounded cams to have the least labor intensive draw aka elite sp2 and hoyt hbx pro or athen's cams. With those tiny cams that bow has to be horrible to draw after 50 shots?
What target is that? 18 or 24"?
Inside 24
Please, do a vidéo on the Booster inspire 32 rts!!🙏🏻🙏🏻
Note taken thanks for recommending
@@BackyardBows okay, you’re welcome. But, do you think that is possible to do a video on this bow ?
@@Booster32rts I will try
@@BackyardBows Oh thank you !!! Thank you very much!!!
I have a Hoyt rampage with 80lbs limbs & im hitting 287 fps with 470 grain arrow.
What draw length
@@BackyardBows 27
@@Minnesotalife great speeds
@@BackyardBows yeah but it took 80 lbs limbs to get it.
@@Minnesotalife at that draw length u do what u can
titanium option!
also has integrate rest machining
Oh Brandon.....you think I don't SEE that Dragon 10 box over there? Cause I do....lol....making Christmas 🎄 dreams coming true lol....
I kept remembering Hoyt had to make me 32" modules ( but with old man brain I decided to have my wife measure to different ways ) looks like I remembered right at least 31.5 plus .5 loop...where I feel is about where I used to anchor to a bent arm doing a mental rep...that takes SO many bows out the running for me because it's certainly no less than 31.5..UG
Per your suggestion it’s up next
@BackyardBows how can I donate without like tube taking 30 do you have a patron or whatever
2005 to 2013 bows were built to last and very high performance. now speeds are slower, harder to tune, extremely gimmicky nonsense. apa did have to bow tools built in way back then, back then, real tests now, most modern bows iare reality 335 is 316, 344 is 333, 350 is 340 if you can f around tuning them, something that wasnt needed way back then. technology going backwards rapidity no wonder people replace bows every year. it’s crazy
you want a bow at your draw length for peek performance dont buy a bow you can adjust, its a massive decline in speed. people are so whimpy these days, then complain the bow doesnt come near the speaks
looks like they stole a idea from top bow companies an cobbled something together