7:43 ... Didn't hear it mentioned, so assuming, among other things, the relatively much younger age of the EV fleet was not factored in to your analysis.
As time goes on we will get data on a fully mature EV fleet. Probably a good idea to watch car fire statistics in Norway, as their fleet is already over 25% EV.
@ziploc2000 Why would they be hysterical. They are expected to have the best risk assessment team than any company because it would be their ass if they're wrong.
A much larger problem is that EV batteries must be heated to more the +0C (warmer then freezing) temperatures to be charged. Which is a HUGE problem in cold parts of the world... Also EV`s solves a problem that only exist in larger cities that have problem with ACTUAL pollution from cars (not Co2 as that is not polution). The entire Co2 / climate hysteria is a scam and even it it was not EV`s is not the solution.
Britannica defines pollution as: "the addition of any substance (solid, liquid, or gas) or any form of energy (such as heat, sound, or radioactivity) to the environment at a rate faster than it can be dispersed, diluted, decomposed, recycled, or stored in some harmless form." Please tell us how a64738 defines it (maybe even work on consistently spelling it accurately). Oh, and they solved the battery temperature problem years ago.
This hysteria is ridiculous and lots of noise. HOWEVER, EV fires are far more violent and intense and hard to put out. That's the problem. Also, when it catches fire while not even used is the scariest part. Otherwise, it's all politicized noise.
@@bmw803 Yes they burn hotter but in the end both ice and evs burn to the ground. Neither one is salvageable. In 100 years they still have not stopped ice vehicles from catching fire. Evs are working on the problem and since we have not had 100 years to work on it. I'm sure we will come up with something soon. Man loves to invent and is good at doing it.
It won't surprise me when the engineers come up with a crash-release foam or powder that stifles the battery pack and prevents fires spreading, triggered by sudden kinetic change (like seat belts and airbags) or unusual voltage/temperature change within the battery pack. Or both. You can't stop ICE fires without removing the flammable liquid running through the vehicle.
The difference is the volatility of an ev fire as opposed to an ice Big big difference You also have to look at the causes of the fires I bet all the ice vehicles were caused in accidents With the numbers difference of ev as opposed to ice vehicles on the road of course there are more incidents reported That doesn’t say anything Except you can make a bunk statistic Where the ev spontaneously combusted during charging Damaging buildings and surrounding vehicles Insurance doesn’t want to charge in apartments That alone should say enough
@@ziploc2000 your telling me Ice vehicles are spontaneously combustible? Sounds like your just a fan boy with bad information Insurance agencies are dropping them not only due to fire risk but expensive collision repair You go do research lol Also ever consider what happens to people trapped in an ev fire? Atleast you can extinguish an ice fire and rescue the passengers lol
1 - ev thermo run off you have seconds to remove yourself from death and that if the 12v system is not shorted that controls windows and locks its a very very hot fire like a huge blow torch that is pumping out toxic poison gas under pressure 2 or 3 inhales your done and you can not put it out 2 - ev very heavy vehicle and all the weight is in the floor area they are breaking barrers/rails like they are not there its sad to think about a very low center of gravity very heavy ev hitting a passenger level bumper or object at speed and they sink very fast 3-you are buying a car you will probably not be able to resell if it makes it 4 to 5 years without a fire who is going to buy a car with a 5 year old battery in it that cost 25 to 50 grand 4- how long do you think it will be for statefarm to figure out that they can raise your home owners ins for having chargers in your garage or a ev in your drive way my advise gas masks in glove box 1 per passeger go ahead and order a window from dealer and just to see the best and fastest way to break it do drills in your drive way draging your loved ones over the seats and out the window remember you do not have time to grab personal stuff 37 years in car repair seen alot of gas fires most of them are put out and vehicle is repaired not a total loss just my opinion do your on reseach
Good news: State Farm banned EVs from their parking structures because of the risk of loss of whole office complexes and the costs involved. Next item: cancelling home insurance if the insurance agency decides that the EV is possibly a high risk to the home. So INSURANCE is going to be what kills the EV for the general public. (Raising the rates or making insurance unavailable will totally kill demand.
The data that's lacking from all of these reports is where, how, why and when cars catch fire. Both electric and gas powered cars can catch fire in a crash under the right conditions, but gas gars don't just spontaneously combust sitting in your garage or while refueling. EVs do that. Statistics show that most EV fires happen while charging or the car is sitting unoccupied. The risk is real enough that State Farm insurance is removing electric vehicle charging stations from its parking decks at Corporate and Corporate South headquarters and at its hubs throughout the nation. The odds of EVs catching fire is overblown, this is true, but the severity of the fire when it does happen can't be overstated and the ferocity of the fire makes for great news coverage which might help explain the public's perception of EV fires.
Gas and diesel cars actually do spontaneously combust when parked. The cause is usually an electric short in the 12 V system. That is also a leading cause of EV fires. There have been several large recalls of IC engine cars to fix design or manufacturing issues that can cause these 12 V shorts.
Ya, show me an ICE fire that destroys another 150 vehicles in a parking garage. Or that melts steel structures. Never seen notices from ICE manufactures telling you not to fill the gas tank up all the way, or not park in your garage or near other vehicles. And as the latest Jeep problem, don't charge your vehicle, don't run in hybrid mode, and we do not have a fix at this time.
Recently there was an airport parking garage, in Luton UK IIRC, that destroyed the structure and hundreds of cars. The press was quick to report "probably caused by an EV," but fire investigators found it was caused by a diesel car.
I have no horse in this race, but comparing fires from ICE vehicles to EVs is apples and oranges. The issue is whether EV batteries are spontaneously starting very hot fires that might burn down your house. Sure, ICE vehicles probably randomly do start fires when they are overheated with a fuel leak in their engine compartment, but most ICE fires are probably fuel leaks that occur while driving rather than when parked and they take time to engulf the vehicle, unlike EV fires. Those details are the stats I want to see? Without enough detail about the fires, it is hard to latch onto any real insights. Also, I want to know who is publishing the stats you are reading. Are the data you are looking at generated by independent sources or are they generated by biased advocates who are pushing hard for EV penetration into the vehicle markets? If so, there is probably a conflict of interest and the data might be skewed? We all are routing for success with EVs and good on you for trying to get the facts straight, but EVs have some very, very serious issues to overcome and everyone aught to be pushing hard to overcome those issues. Battery fires are just one small issue. For me, the high cost of the vehicles, their repairs, and their insurance are major issues, as is the range anxiety issue, particularly in extreme hot and cold weather climates. To each his own. If people out there feel safe parking an EV in their garage and are not concerned with spontaneous high temperature fires, good on you for helping create a market for EVs. However, I sure would not want to own one, at least not for the price and I sure would not want to take the chance that an EV would burn down my home. Until I see solid, independent data, talk about this subject is not worth much and people probably should, at least, think twice before buying an EV.
I agree that "electric car catches fire" gets news organizations more clicks than "300 cars caught fire today, same as every other day." I remember when people were more afraid of car fires, back in the 1960's. Nowadays people don't give it a second thought, except when new technology is involved. Similar is how the risk of serious injury or death in general when traveling by car is just accepted, with about 50,000 deaths every year in the US.
So safe Statfarm will not let employees charge evs at work
7:43 ... Didn't hear it mentioned, so assuming, among other things, the relatively much younger age of the EV fleet was not factored in to your analysis.
As time goes on we will get data on a fully mature EV fleet. Probably a good idea to watch car fire statistics in Norway, as their fleet is already over 25% EV.
Gas & Electric vehicles both catch fire but ev batteries can relight days later and firefighters are at danger when doing recoveries
And EV emergency vehicles burned down a fire station !!!
Than why did State Farm Auto Insurance Company banned EVs from there parking ramps?
Hysteria. They'll lose a lot of customers for their silliness.
@ziploc2000 Why would they be hysterical. They are expected to have the best risk assessment team than any company because it would be their ass if they're wrong.
A much larger problem is that EV batteries must be heated to more the +0C (warmer then freezing) temperatures to be charged. Which is a HUGE problem in cold parts of the world... Also EV`s solves a problem that only exist in larger cities that have problem with ACTUAL pollution from cars (not Co2 as that is not polution).
The entire Co2 / climate hysteria is a scam and even it it was not EV`s is not the solution.
CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Don't be an idiot.
Britannica defines pollution as: "the addition of any substance (solid, liquid, or gas) or any form of energy (such as heat, sound, or radioactivity) to the environment at a rate faster than it can be dispersed, diluted, decomposed, recycled, or stored in some harmless form." Please tell us how a64738 defines it (maybe even work on consistently spelling it accurately). Oh, and they solved the battery temperature problem years ago.
facts dont matter to some people. But thanks for posting the facts.
This hysteria is ridiculous and lots of noise. HOWEVER, EV fires are far more violent and intense and hard to put out. That's the problem. Also, when it catches fire while not even used is the scariest part. Otherwise, it's all politicized noise.
@@bmw803 Yes they burn hotter but in the end both ice and evs burn to the ground. Neither one is salvageable. In 100 years they still have not stopped ice vehicles from catching fire. Evs are working on the problem and since we have not had 100 years to work on it. I'm sure we will come up with something soon. Man loves to invent and is good at doing it.
It won't surprise me when the engineers come up with a crash-release foam or powder that stifles the battery pack and prevents fires spreading, triggered by sudden kinetic change (like seat belts and airbags) or unusual voltage/temperature change within the battery pack. Or both.
You can't stop ICE fires without removing the flammable liquid running through the vehicle.
The rear seat mechanical emergency escape door latch is notoriously difficult to work in a Tesler
The difference is the volatility of an ev fire as opposed to an ice
Big big difference
You also have to look at the causes of the fires
I bet all the ice vehicles were caused in accidents
With the numbers difference of ev as opposed to ice vehicles on the road of course there are more incidents reported
That doesn’t say anything
Except you can make a bunk statistic
Where the ev spontaneously combusted during charging
Damaging buildings and surrounding vehicles
Insurance doesn’t want to charge in apartments
That alone should say enough
You lose you bet. Do some research.
@@ziploc2000 your telling me Ice vehicles are spontaneously combustible?
Sounds like your just a fan boy with bad information
Insurance agencies are dropping them not only due to fire risk but expensive collision repair
You go do research lol
Also ever consider what happens to people trapped in an ev fire?
Atleast you can extinguish an ice fire and rescue the passengers lol
1 - ev thermo run off you have seconds to remove yourself from death and that if the 12v system is not shorted that controls windows and locks
its a very very hot fire like a huge blow torch that is pumping out toxic poison gas under pressure 2 or 3 inhales your done
and you can not put it out
2 - ev very heavy vehicle and all the weight is in the floor area they are breaking barrers/rails like they are not there
its sad to think about a very low center of gravity very heavy ev hitting a passenger level bumper or object at speed
and they sink very fast
3-you are buying a car you will probably not be able to resell
if it makes it 4 to 5 years without a fire who is going to buy a car with a 5 year old battery in it that cost 25 to 50 grand
4- how long do you think it will be for statefarm to figure out that they can raise your home owners ins for having chargers in your garage or a ev in your drive way
my advise gas masks in glove box 1 per passeger go ahead and order a window from dealer and just to see the best and fastest way to break it
do drills in your drive way draging your loved ones over the seats and out the window remember you do not have time to grab personal stuff
37 years in car repair seen alot of gas fires most of them are put out and vehicle is repaired not a total loss
just my opinion do your on reseach
"BUTT" are you kidding? Would you want to be an unprotected Fireman? Or wife or children? Where did you buy your THERMAL RUN-AWAY FIRE EXTINGUISHER 🔥?
Good news: State Farm banned EVs from their parking structures because of the risk of loss of whole office complexes and the costs involved. Next item: cancelling home insurance if the insurance agency decides that the EV is possibly a high risk to the home. So INSURANCE is going to be what kills the EV for the general public. (Raising the rates or making insurance unavailable will totally kill demand.
I just don’t want my ev to burn down my house while it’s charging
The data that's lacking from all of these reports is where, how, why and when cars catch fire. Both electric and gas powered cars can catch fire in a crash under the right conditions, but gas gars don't just spontaneously combust sitting in your garage or while refueling. EVs do that. Statistics show that most EV fires happen while charging or the car is sitting unoccupied. The risk is real enough that State Farm insurance is removing electric vehicle charging stations from its parking decks at Corporate and Corporate South headquarters and at its hubs throughout the nation. The odds of EVs catching fire is overblown, this is true, but the severity of the fire when it does happen can't be overstated and the ferocity of the fire makes for great news coverage which might help explain the public's perception of EV fires.
Gas and diesel cars actually do spontaneously combust when parked. The cause is usually an electric short in the 12 V system. That is also a leading cause of EV fires. There have been several large recalls of IC engine cars to fix design or manufacturing issues that can cause these 12 V shorts.
Ya, show me an ICE fire that destroys another 150 vehicles in a parking garage. Or that melts steel structures. Never seen notices from ICE manufactures telling you not to fill the gas tank up all the way, or not park in your garage or near other vehicles. And as the latest Jeep problem, don't charge your vehicle, don't run in hybrid mode, and we do not have a fix at this time.
Recently there was an airport parking garage, in Luton UK IIRC, that destroyed the structure and hundreds of cars. The press was quick to report "probably caused by an EV," but fire investigators found it was caused by a diesel car.
I have no horse in this race, but comparing fires from ICE vehicles to EVs is apples and oranges. The issue is whether EV batteries are spontaneously starting very hot fires that might burn down your house. Sure, ICE vehicles probably randomly do start fires when they are overheated with a fuel leak in their engine compartment, but most ICE fires are probably fuel leaks that occur while driving rather than when parked and they take time to engulf the vehicle, unlike EV fires.
Those details are the stats I want to see? Without enough detail about the fires, it is hard to latch onto any real insights. Also, I want to know who is publishing the stats you are reading. Are the data you are looking at generated by independent sources or are they generated by biased advocates who are pushing hard for EV penetration into the vehicle markets? If so, there is probably a conflict of interest and the data might be skewed?
We all are routing for success with EVs and good on you for trying to get the facts straight, but EVs have some very, very serious issues to overcome and everyone aught to be pushing hard to overcome those issues. Battery fires are just one small issue. For me, the high cost of the vehicles, their repairs, and their insurance are major issues, as is the range anxiety issue, particularly in extreme hot and cold weather climates.
To each his own. If people out there feel safe parking an EV in their garage and are not concerned with spontaneous high temperature fires, good on you for helping create a market for EVs. However, I sure would not want to own one, at least not for the price and I sure would not want to take the chance that an EV would burn down my home. Until I see solid, independent data, talk about this subject is not worth much and people probably should, at least, think twice before buying an EV.
I agree that "electric car catches fire" gets news organizations more clicks than "300 cars caught fire today, same as every other day." I remember when people were more afraid of car fires, back in the 1960's. Nowadays people don't give it a second thought, except when new technology is involved.
Similar is how the risk of serious injury or death in general when traveling by car is just accepted, with about 50,000 deaths every year in the US.