I watched the 4 part series of videos and rebuilt my 4 speed top loader ….. thanks for your videos, I followed them to a successful rebuild and I spent less than $500
Man this deserve more views. I enjoy creating short videos on my instagram. But setting up that camera, jumping out of frame, forgetting too turn on the dang camera, etc.. It's ALOT of work and we sure appreciate it Paul! Your work is beautiful and the videos are just absolute butter, keep it up buddy!
There are many types of rail combinations, so if you are working on 1 transmission you are going to have two interlocks and three detents. Some are actually the same length some are different. But simple math will simply show you that if you only have two interlocks and three detents then it shouldn't be hard to figure out which is which.
Great videos. I have a 1970 Mustang with a 4 speed top loader with wide ratio gears. I might have missed it ,but did you mention that some top loaders like mine don't have a drain plug. The bottom bolt on the tail housing is the drain plug.
Man, coming off a "simple" 6R80, this makes me want to rebuild a transmission again! I used to think I hated working on cars, now I realise it's probably because things have gotten too damn complicated these days!
Paul, thanks for posting this. It helps me with my T86/R10 as a lot of what you showed applies. Other than that large puller in the T86 disassembly video for the input bearing, you showed you don't need special tools. Appreciate you taking the time to teach us.
One detail always do is double check that your detents are in correctly by shifting into a gear then check if the other shift lever is locked out into neutral position. Then vice-versa. If the opposite shift lever still moves its possible engage 3rd and 1st gear at same time. Locking out the whole transmission...only way to get the car moving is getting underneath with wrench (hammer sometimes) and put minimum one rail in neutral position. Easy just to double check when it's on the bench... just wished I had utube when I was a kid. Great job on explaining assembly
As mentioned in the beginning of the series is I double check the action before assembly... Very important. Maybe you didnt watch parts 1, 2 and 3 yet?
@@GearBoxVideo missed pt 3. But as I said great videos on toploader. Wished I had them when I was 17 and replaced 2nd gear...yes I didn't check shift levers and why I know that the trans will lockup. Going back and watch all again...theyre that good
I've watched all 4 videos - multiple times - thank-you, thank-you, thank-you! In another response you mention coming up with a "rebuild kit" - would love to see that soon, as I used your earlier videos to tear mine down. Two more things and I'll be quiet - in your book you mention a steel speedo gear - where do we get those? And, what is your preferred gear lube in these?
Paul, I just realized that you had a youtube channel! I bought your book several years ago and remember watching your collaboration with ericthecarguy. Looking forward to looking through your library and to future videos, thanks for helping us all out!!
Great video. Thanks for making this series. I have a 66 mustang A-code. Not sure if my 4 sod manual is original or not. Mechanic is telling me he thinks it’s a T4 but my shift pattern is more like a top loader. After watching this, wondering if I could rebuild it myself.
Thank you Paul! You’re videos are always excellent. Your book was invaluable with helping me rebuild two toploaders this past year. Though I have to admit, I wish you’d put out these videos a year ago 😂 The videos fill in a few blanks and compliment your book well. One question. I was surprised that you didn’t add a vent to the tail shaft housing, as per your book. Was that due to the owners preference? Or have you changed your mind on doing that?
Does your book cover the NP 440 used in 1981 - 1987 GMC, Chevrolet fullsize pickups (RPO code MY6). It's a overdrive and I have one in my 78 nova, thanks.
Thank you Paul very much for the great instructional series! Love to watch your work! Comparing to the muncies, which one of them would the strenght of the toploader equal to?
Toploaders share the same center to center and designed better that a muncie. Pros and cons. Muncie is lighter weight, shifts better. Toploader has wear issues with clutch teeth and cointershafts and will not shuft above 6500rpm
You make it look so easy Paul. I look for new videos from you everyday. By the way, what were the brand of snap ring pliers you were using when you put the snap ring on the speedo gear? Those looked pretty nice.
Hey! I love your videos! I’m having some shifter or trans issues in my toploader. I would love to talk to you more about what I have going on. I was wondering if you could do a video of rebuilding a toploader 3 speed on the floor?
Brilliant series. Thanks so much. i'll be ordering the book or dropping in some coffee money now $ 5 coffee money..that was easy to do. THANKYOU See u again soon -dave (Australia)
Great video series. Thanks. Question: the input shaft on my toploader has some lateral play in it. The input shaft in your vid looks rigid. Is this a problem for me? Thanks again.
Any fluid recommendations on one of these? I installed synchromesh some years ago when I rebuilt mine but haven't installed the transmission yet to try it out.
As always it's a very professional job that you do Paul, and one question, your book manual transmission rebuild and modifying, is it shipped to Croatia
Paul, I realize this is a may be an elementary school question, but in watching your videos I see where everything you did was by hand. When these transmissions were first manufactured, were they assembled entirely by hand as well or were there any assembly type machines used in the manufacturing process?
I have an old mid 60's toploader that I've sitting around for 20 some year...any idea what it maybe worth? Also what's a ball park price for something like what you did here? Thanks for the great videos.
Paul, great vid series. I have a 4sp Toploader from a 70 mustang. I’m dropping the tranny soon, so fully expecting to replace all components. Is that 12,000th play you created in what i was thinking was the 3rd gear assembly and taking the “hub” down by 10,000th going to need to be done on all rebuilds? Or is it all a matter of where you get your Taiwanese parts from ? Or was that a shaft issue? Sounded like from what you said it has been a long standing problem for that gear getting enough oil. Again, wondering if that is having to be done in most cases. Thanks!!
Paul why can't find a AutoGear main case for a Muncie anywhere? Supply issues or are they not making them any more? need a 7/8 cs case if you can get me one...thanks...should I call you?? Also I need another one of your printo seal gasket sets too!
Hello Paul like always great content, enjoy all your videos, I have a Question have you been inside the M23 box yet if so what’s your take on it , I’d like hear from someone who has rebuilt 100s of Muncie 4 speeds
Hi Paul thanks for these videos and taking the time to reply to my last question. I am rebuilding a couple of Mustang gearboxes for my son who is building a race car here in the UK. One of the gearboxes is original from a ‘64 mustang while the other has suffered a catastrophic blow up leaving the 3/4 slider, 3rd gear and second gear all welded to the main shaft which I am guessing may have been caused by insufficient end flat on the gear. My question is regarding 3rd gear. The original box which is all ok has a3rd gear which has no holes drilled in it to let oil through whereas the one in the blown up box has some as does the gear you have fitted in you video. Can you tell me if this is a modification you have done or are later 3rd gears manufactured this way. I have access to a milling machine and could make the holes I think using a solid carbide cutter. Thanks again for taking the trouble to produce these videos I have fond them most helpful
The most important thing to due is add slots on the thrust surface, off-center. Then add a small valley in the mainshaft journal to allow oil to pool and circulate. The spirol grooves act more like wipers. Also use an oil like Royal Purple Max gear lube. This seems to have worked best for me . Where in the UK are you?
How hot does the output shaft bearing need to be to slip onto the mainshaft like that? My inputs shaft bearing race was heated to 180-200 degrees and went on just fine. Output bearing has been a bit more "stubborn".
Hi Paul. Do the early square 4 bolt top loader cases have the same tail shaft housing bolt pattern as the later 8 bolt cases with the ears ? In other words can tail housings be swapped from the early to late cases ?
The 4 bolts on my bearing retainer dont have any washers. Instead the bolt has a raised ring around it, the retainer cover has an indented ring around it. Should I be leaving it the way it is? Doesnt look right to install a spring washer because of this configuration. thanks.
How tight should the input shaft to the output shaft be when fully assembled? Years ago when I rebuilt my top loader. It was hard to turn after assembled. I used a thicker gasket to loosen it up a bit. Was that a mistake?
@@GearBoxVideo thanks for the info. My tranny has had an ear broken off and welded back on sometime in the last 60 years or so. I think that the front of the case might of be resurfaced. I took the thing apart and reassembled it several times. It was still tight. It works fine, but when car is going 70 or so and I let off gas I hear vibration. It could be my driveshaft or rear end. Do you think it could be the transmission to loose?
It's not whether I plan to or not. It's whether or not a transmission comes into the shop and the person has time for me to create a video. I do not have an sm465 in stock. So yes it would be great to do a video maybe you want to ship me one?
Great series on the older 4speed top loader! I wonder if there's a way for a cutaway diagram to see what's happening with the detents, drop-in balls or cylinders, and springs. Thank you for the content and knowledge base!
Loved the series was waiting for the 4th part haha! I am planning on rebuilding my 4 speed top loader. Which rebuild kit do you recommend? I know you mentioned they are made in taiwan but I've seen so many.
Nice work. i'd almost buy a FORD after watching that.
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Great video series, I used this to strip my T/L which needs plenty of love will be buying your book too
Thank you
Your videos are awesome. None better.
Glad you like them!
Great tips & tricks Paul, thanks for posting!
Nice work!
I watched the 4 part series of videos and rebuilt my 4 speed top loader ….. thanks for your videos, I followed them to a successful rebuild and I spent less than $500
What a great set of videos! Very informative and I think this will help me finish off my 3 speed rebuild for my '66 Bronco. Thank you!
Man this deserve more views.
I enjoy creating short videos on my instagram.
But setting up that camera, jumping out of frame, forgetting too turn on the dang camera, etc..
It's ALOT of work and we sure appreciate it Paul!
Your work is beautiful and the videos are just absolute butter, keep it up buddy!
Yeah nice job sir.
I appreciate the straightforward, no-nonsense video. One question regarding the detents; How does a person determine the correct lengths? Thank you.
There are many types of rail combinations, so if you are working on 1 transmission you are going to have two interlocks and three detents. Some are actually the same length some are different. But simple math will simply show you that if you only have two interlocks and three detents then it shouldn't be hard to figure out which is which.
Great videos. I have a 1970 Mustang with a 4 speed top loader with wide ratio gears. I might have missed it ,but did you mention that some top loaders like mine don't have a drain plug. The bottom bolt on the tail housing is the drain plug.
No I didnt
Mine has that too. I use blue locktite on that bolt otherwise it will drip.
I didn't realize that you were the author of that book, I purchased it some time ago, thanks again!
THANK YOU!!! For all the amazing knowledge and wisdom it’s much appreciated
Very Welcome!
Thank you Paul, Your a perfectionist. learned alot and will not be rebuilding my Type F 4 Speed.
Man, coming off a "simple" 6R80, this makes me want to rebuild a transmission again!
I used to think I hated working on cars, now I realise it's probably because things have gotten too damn complicated these days!
well, I pick up the toploader RUG-E2 tomorrow. Got your book, got these videos. Let the fun begin.
Thank you so much for your time!
Loved the series! Very informative! 🙂
Paul, thanks for posting this. It helps me with my T86/R10 as a lot of what you showed applies. Other than that large puller in the T86 disassembly video for the input bearing, you showed you don't need special tools. Appreciate you taking the time to teach us.
One detail always do is double check that your detents are in correctly by shifting into a gear then check if the other shift lever is locked out into neutral position. Then vice-versa. If the opposite shift lever still moves its possible engage 3rd and 1st gear at same time. Locking out the whole transmission...only way to get the car moving is getting underneath with wrench (hammer sometimes) and put minimum one rail in neutral position. Easy just to double check when it's on the bench... just wished I had utube when I was a kid. Great job on explaining assembly
As mentioned in the beginning of the series is I double check the action before assembly... Very important. Maybe you didnt watch parts 1, 2 and 3 yet?
@@GearBoxVideo missed pt 3. But as I said great videos on toploader. Wished I had them when I was 17 and replaced 2nd gear...yes I didn't check shift levers and why I know that the trans will lockup. Going back and watch all again...theyre that good
Thank you so much your videos helped me rebuild my toploader
That’s a nice build attention to detail is epic
I've watched all 4 videos - multiple times - thank-you, thank-you, thank-you! In another response you mention coming up with a "rebuild kit" - would love to see that soon, as I used your earlier videos to tear mine down. Two more things and I'll be quiet - in your book you mention a steel speedo gear - where do we get those? And, what is your preferred gear lube in these?
Stalube Gl4. 85w-90. The steel speedo gear is long discontinued but the black plastic will be available on my site next week
Love your video's for top loaders and Muncie transmissions have learned a lot Thank you
Thanks! My old Jerico was similar in construction so this was very helpful to reassemble it.
Thank you so much for your support. As much appreciated
Paul, I just realized that you had a youtube channel! I bought your book several years ago and remember watching your collaboration with ericthecarguy. Looking forward to looking through your library and to future videos, thanks for helping us all out!!
Great video. Thanks for making this series. I have a 66 mustang A-code. Not sure if my 4 sod manual is original or not. Mechanic is telling me he thinks it’s a T4 but my shift pattern is more like a top loader. After watching this, wondering if I could rebuild it myself.
Thank you Paul! You’re videos are always excellent.
Your book was invaluable with helping me rebuild two toploaders this past year. Though I have to admit, I wish you’d put out these videos a year ago 😂
The videos fill in a few blanks and compliment your book well.
One question. I was surprised that you didn’t add a vent to the tail shaft housing, as per your book. Was that due to the owners preference? Or have you changed your mind on doing that?
The particular tail in the book was aftermarket and required it
I believe you could explain just about anything. Pretty work.
Just watched your 4 part series on top loaders. Now I want you to rebuild mine. 😎
I will have parts soon
Excellent video series mate. Well explained and edited. Cheers from NZ.
Thank you
Great help. Thank you for your tutorials. God Bless you.
Does your book cover the NP 440 used in 1981 - 1987 GMC, Chevrolet fullsize pickups (RPO code MY6). It's a overdrive and I have one in my 78 nova, thanks.
It covers the A833 non overdrive
did you weld shifter arms together yourself or were they allready done. mine were pin together
Factory welded them
Thank you Paul very much for the great instructional series! Love to watch your work! Comparing to the muncies, which one of them would the strenght of the toploader equal to?
Toploaders share the same center to center and designed better that a muncie. Pros and cons. Muncie is lighter weight, shifts better. Toploader has wear issues with clutch teeth and cointershafts and will not shuft above 6500rpm
Excellent... thanks sir
You make it look so easy Paul. I look for new videos from you everyday. By the way, what were the brand of snap ring pliers you were using when you put the snap ring on the speedo gear? Those looked pretty nice.
www.5speeds.com/cart/index.php?route=product/product&path=66_77&product_id=140
Nice job, when can you do the tko 5 speed
Apparently you haven't taken the time to view my past videos. I did one already.
@@GearBoxVideo I’ve watched damn near all of them, I will go back and watch it ❤️
@@GearBoxVideo I watched it last night, that was good. I have the new style tko 600
Hey! I love your videos! I’m having some shifter or trans issues in my toploader. I would love to talk to you more about what I have going on. I was wondering if you could do a video of rebuilding a toploader 3 speed on the floor?
If i get a transmission yes
Brilliant series. Thanks so much. i'll be ordering the book or dropping in some coffee money now $ 5 coffee money..that was easy to do. THANKYOU See u again soon -dave (Australia)
Thank you again
THANK _YOU_ ..I'll be dropping a huge tip when i go deep on my T5 with your series on that box.@@GearBoxVideo
Great video series. Thanks. Question: the input shaft on my toploader has some lateral play in it. The input shaft in your vid looks rigid. Is this a problem for me? Thanks again.
lateral play is normal
Any fluid recommendations on one of these? I installed synchromesh some years ago when I rebuilt mine but haven't installed the transmission yet to try it out.
Ive used Royal Purple and Driven Racing GL4
Thanks!
Appreciate your support for the channel. Thank you very much!
As always it's a very professional job that you do Paul, and one question, your book manual transmission rebuild and modifying, is it shipped to Croatia
Very Cool!
were did you get the new bolts for top cover?
We have bolt kits we will be selling next week
Great info. Any particular gear oil that you prefer? 80W-90 wt?
Penn Grade is good, Driven Racing and Stalube
Another great video. I have one question, on a 1966 Fairlane GT 390 4 speed where is the reverse switch located?
usually on the shifter
Paul love your videos so much information, in your opinion what is the best clutch less box to go with for drag racing about 800 hp
The Gforce or Liberty Clutchless... Depends on your budget
@@GearBoxVideo I heard the liberty has two counter shafts sounds like that might work best for drag racing, thanks for the reply
Paul, I realize this is a may be an elementary school question, but in watching your videos I see where everything you did was by hand. When these transmissions were first manufactured, were they assembled entirely by hand as well or were there any assembly type machines used in the manufacturing process?
By hand
Nice work Paul! Where do you put your sticker on a Muncie????
Good question!
I have an old mid 60's toploader that I've sitting around for 20 some year...any idea what it maybe worth? Also what's a ball park price for something like what you did here? Thanks for the great videos.
Depends on what make and model it is for. As well as the condition. The one pictured with new gears and a full rebuild ran over 1800 US
Hi Paul, any chance you have a Jericho 4 sp Top Loader tailstock?
Sorry, I do not
What kit did you use? the only place i ever seen new screws was david kee
Actually a kit I am making. Will be available in the next few weeks
@@GearBoxVideo please include the plug for front no kit includes it
Yes.my kit will come with the plug and the set screws. We just finished having all of our gaskets cut
Paul, great vid series. I have a 4sp Toploader from a 70 mustang. I’m dropping the tranny soon, so fully expecting to replace all components. Is that 12,000th play you created in what i was thinking was the 3rd gear assembly and taking the “hub” down by 10,000th going to need to be done on all rebuilds? Or is it all a matter of where you get your Taiwanese parts from ? Or was that a shaft issue? Sounded like from what you said it has been a long standing problem for that gear getting enough oil. Again, wondering if that is having to be done in most cases. Thanks!!
I don't know if it is just a stack error or one component. Really doesn't matter. You clearance it only one way
Paul why can't find a AutoGear main case for a Muncie anywhere? Supply issues or are they not making them any more? need a 7/8 cs case if you can get me one...thanks...should I call you?? Also I need another one of your printo seal gasket sets too!
They discontinued it
Hello Paul like always great content, enjoy all your videos, I have a Question have you been inside the M23 box yet if so what’s your take on it , I’d like hear from someone who has rebuilt 100s of Muncie 4 speeds
Ive built many... I called mine tha M22 DS same thing... Depends who builds one. Skill is the key
@@GearBoxVideo what does DS stand for ? Drag strip
Drag Special
@@GearBoxVideo okay awesome
Hi Paul thanks for these videos and taking the time to reply to my last question. I am rebuilding a couple of Mustang gearboxes for my son who is building a race car here in the UK. One of the gearboxes is original from a ‘64 mustang while the other has suffered a catastrophic blow up leaving the 3/4 slider, 3rd gear and second gear all welded to the main shaft which I am guessing may have been caused by insufficient end flat on the gear. My question is regarding 3rd gear. The original box which is all ok has a3rd gear which has no holes drilled in it to let oil through whereas the one in the blown up box has some as does the gear you have fitted in you video. Can you tell me if this is a modification you have done or are later 3rd gears manufactured this way. I have access to a milling machine and could make the holes I think using a solid carbide cutter. Thanks again for taking the trouble to produce these videos I have fond them most helpful
The most important thing to due is add slots on the thrust surface, off-center. Then add a small valley in the mainshaft journal to allow oil to pool and circulate. The spirol grooves act more like wipers. Also use an oil like Royal Purple Max gear lube. This seems to have worked best for me . Where in the UK are you?
@@GearBoxVideo I live in Devon in the West Country
And many thanks for your reply I will follow your advice thanks
I like the seaside village there. I live part time in Bath Somerset
@@GearBoxVideo l live around 60 miles from Bath in a village called Hemyock not far from Wellington which is near the M5
How hot does the output shaft bearing need to be to slip onto the mainshaft like that? My inputs shaft bearing race was heated to 180-200 degrees and went on just fine. Output bearing has been a bit more "stubborn".
Typically 180F. Keep in mind that some interference fits maybe tighter. Sometimes a few light taps maybe needed.
Hi Paul. Do the early square 4 bolt top loader cases have the same tail shaft housing bolt pattern as the later 8 bolt cases with the ears ? In other words can tail housings be swapped from the early to late cases ?
Yes they do
What snap ring pliers do you use?
They are in the webstore. Read the video description.... Thanks
lock ring pliers
Do these procedures apply to a 3 speed toploader
Pretty much the same
There are adapter bellhousings that allow a top loader to bolt to a chevy bellhousing. Is it worth it, or should I stick with the super T10? thanks.
stick to the ST10
The 4 bolts on my bearing retainer dont have any washers. Instead the bolt has a raised ring around it, the retainer cover has an indented ring around it. Should I be leaving it the way it is? Doesnt look right to install a spring washer because of this configuration. thanks.
Some configurations used a flanged bolt that had serrations on it. If your bolts are still good clean them up and reuse them
How tight should the input shaft to the output shaft be when fully assembled? Years ago when I rebuilt my top loader. It was hard to turn after assembled. I used a thicker gasket to loosen it up a bit. Was that a mistake?
It should turn easily by hand
@@GearBoxVideo thanks for the info. My tranny has had an ear broken off and welded back on sometime in the last 60 years or so. I think that the front of the case might of be resurfaced. I took the thing apart and reassembled it several times. It was still tight. It works fine, but when car is going 70 or so and I let off gas I hear vibration. It could be my driveshaft or rear end. Do you think it could be the transmission to loose?
Have you ever done a sm 465 video yet? Or do you plan to?
It's not whether I plan to or not. It's whether or not a transmission comes into the shop and the person has time for me to create a video. I do not have an sm465 in stock. So yes it would be great to do a video maybe you want to ship me one?
@@GearBoxVideo oh I see. Well I can see about doing that. I have a few here.
Ive done many units . We did fleet work at one time
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Great series on the older 4speed top loader! I wonder if there's a way for a cutaway diagram to see what's happening with the detents, drop-in balls or cylinders, and springs. Thank you for the content and knowledge base!
Thanks for watching!
My bad. I should have looked on your web site before I asked.
Loved the series was waiting for the 4th part haha!
I am planning on rebuilding my 4 speed top loader. Which rebuild kit do you recommend? I know you mentioned they are made in taiwan but I've seen so many.
We are coming up with a kit....I will keep you posted
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