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Spartans and halo in general is way better than 40k, better soldiers, better super soldiers, better characters, better story, and better people overall, I'll even say they have better aliens, yes 40k might be stronger than them, but I love halo so much more for the fact it's story actually does everything from hope to grimdark so much better that being said, rylanor is still a G
Halo weapons can pierce heavy armour hence why the marines were able to kill covenants soldiers. Magnum has exploding rounds just look at their arsenal through a wiki.
@@patrickiamonfire965 I still believe all their guns have mini rail guns in them to make the bullets hit harder and there is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise
ONI is the most realistic clandestine organisation ever written: Massive budget, omnipresent surveillance and data gathering, and yet completely incompetent.
There's a fan-made comic about noble team called "A Fistful of Arrows", by Levi Hoffmeier, that shows a Noble Team operation against an insurrectionist cell. The author included a scene where Emile gets absolutely blasted by a warthog gun which results in multiple dents and scratches in his EVA visor. He then proceeded to scratch his signature skull into the visor in order to hide the scratches. If you consider that canon, then that's a good reason to be pissed off at the Innies for.
@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy yes and no. Innies got his parents, after which he was raised by his older brother. After he was killed by the covenant, Emile was taken in by ONI.
@@Zileas01 im not so sure on that I mean there have been a good handful especially with the 4s that went traitor but even when fighting the covenant Spartans regularly killed humans to for one reason or another and never showed any problem with it
@Zileas01 honestly I feel like that'd only be an issue for like spartan 3's onward and even then I doubt many 3's would defect and it'd mainly just be the 4's since their at base line normal civies that just joined up and have wildly dif upbringings with more factors for it, even more so than the 3's which were like what 8-13? at their oldest. when some of the 2's found out about their old lives most chose to continue being a spartan and thought they were doing more as one than they ever would've done if they hadn't been adducted, but that could also just be that sweet S2 indoctrination. which most classes got multiple years of outside of 4's since you know "human rights" and all that stuff oni doesn't like
spartans have always been one of the most interesting super-soldiers to me due to initially being designed for human vs human warfare, only to be shifted over to alien warfare by pure chance
"Hey guys, I'm in the Outer Colonies, and I'm looking for that kid who can perfectly predict a coin flip. What've we got here! YOINK! Ooh, it's a kid who just lost his parents in an Innie attack! He'll make a fine soldier, just look how mad he is! Check out this cool math prodigy! YOINK! These guys are super valuable for data analysis and other nerd stuff, I'm sure she'll come in handy. Ooh, what do we have here? It's a street urchin! YOINK! You're not that kid who can perfectly call a coin flip, but I'll take you along anyway. These kids probably won't survive all the augments the docs stick in them, but if they do, they'll be able to do some really cool stuff. I'm still looking for that kid who can call a coin flip, but in the meantime-YOINK-check out this kid whose parents got arrested for being Innie sympathizers. He doesn't like me, or the UNSC, but thats nothing a little brainwashing can't fix."
SPARTANS and their story are intrinsically tied into my formative years as a pre-teen and teenager. Even now, as an adult, there's a part of my soul that will always brim with fervor when they show up. I'd die if I was put through the Space Marine program, or trained to become a COG Gear. I'd *refuse* to die if it meant becoming a SPARTAN.
13:14 Funny thing about that the spartan IIs did have a shrink. He ended up taking his own life out of guilt with his final request to Parangosky was to put his brain into an AI. And my favorite line about the spartan 3s was Parangisky's simple question to Akerson: "You want to trade lives for time?" Still sends chill reading or hearing it. Edit: One final note at 31:42 the earlier version of spartan 4 augmentations was inteded to make the 4s as strong as the 2s WITHOUT mjolnir armor. nine subjects died, one went insane her name is Ilsa Zane and she's on the loose with the banished.
Ackerson was such a psychopath even Parangosky was taken aback at how casual he was with burning the IIIs lives away. At least that’s how I read her response to the question.
@@pancreasnowork9939I always read more as Parangosky feeling guilt the closer she got to the end of her career. She did a lot of fucked up shit and not all of it was for the better.
@pancreasnowork9939 remember that it's canon that Noble 6 will just randomly stare at people for uncomfortably long amounts of time when out of combat... So yeah, psychologically, Spartan 3s got it the worst...
I'm pretty sure one of the books describes ONI as literally every FED Agency because they subsumed all of the other organizations like themselves. I think this comes from the Kilo-5 trilogy of books (Glasslands, The Thursday War, and Mortal Dictata) they're pretty good if you haven't already read them but they complain about Dr. Halsey pretty much every chapter and it gets annoying after the 5th time
@@twekkliiaslk No, they took over every intelligence agency. ONI is not every government agency, but ONI does have a complete monopoly on government intel.
I loved how as the war goes on ONI goes from "Children kidnapped in *very* morally bankrupt fashion and trained to be paragons of humanity, the best of us, the next big leap etc, etc," to "We need to stop these alien mfs from glassing planets too quickly, lets gather as many preteen sociopaths, future serial killers, and reasonably gifted kids, pump them full of chemicals and throw them at the covenant" They weren't even trying to hide it by the end.
I mean, yeah? Humanity was for all intents and purposes going to be wiped out very quickly had Halo no been a video game series. As fun as it is to bash ONI for their corruption, paranoia, and ironic incompetence what other option was there for them?
Marines: "Omg spartans, we're saved!" Spartan 3 headhunter, with necklace of Elite Mandibles around neck: "I really don't think you understand who we are."
Fun fact: Ackerson despised Halsey and the S2 program. Was it because it was unethical to kidnap kids? Nope! It was taking away funding from the ODST’s, his project. Despite hating the S2’s he saw that they were effective, but he saw room for improvement and an opportunity for revenge. The S3 program, expendable Spartans. He had Kurt kidnapped and faked his death in order to train the S3’s. Plus Halsey was completely unaware of the entire thing until Reach was falling (ignore Halo Reach Halsey).
I mean, three battallions worth of supersoldiers is a lot more strategically significant than one company. And it was evidently scalable enough to become a whole self sufficient expeditionary force once society wasnt falling apart at the seams from three decades of total war. Ackerson may have been an idiot, but his work ended up very useful.
22:52 Fred was also stated as thinking they were horrifying. During the book Last Light the Spartan III from gamma company Olivia had a bolder crush her legs. She then proceeded to pick said bolder up stand up and smash a sentinel with it. She was 13 at this time and was no where done cooking with her augmentations. She also didn’t have mjolnir armor at the time either. She just had SPI armor. SIIIs are wack.
We also see the 3’s in beta company during their suicide mission butchering thousands of covenant in hand to hand combat so badly they had to call down their fleet to engage the 3’s directly. Keep in mind they were all between 11-14 years old and only wearing SPI
@@Snail_IV Halo casually writing warhammer levels of fucked up child soldiers. A space marine would see a spi gamma 3 do their thing and go "Little....brother?"
@@Snail_IVThat's not even the best part in my opinion. The best part of this was Alpha Company taking out thousands of Covenant, and held out for 5 Days... Despite being undersupplied, outnumbered, and outgunned in every way. And the covenant had to bring in cruisers. They had literal seraph squads do bomb and runs on them, and we know how strong the Covenant is in large scale battles.
3:33 Except for one, Avery Johnson, aka Mr. “I know what the ladies like himself”. The person whos death was honestly the saddest in all of Halo in my opinion.
Dont forget that Spartans were so valuable and dangerous that should just one be infected by the Flood, the UNSC would initiate a protocol (CORRUPTOR Protocol) allowing the use of weapons of mass destruction to take out the infected Spartan (and everything in the area). This has only happened once in lore.
“Dear Chairman, I don't give a DAMN about your committee and its opinions of my work. Have you forgotten sir, we were at war. A fight with an alien race for the very survival of our species. I feel I must remind you that it is undeniable, and may I say a fundamental quality of man, that when faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable.” -Dr. Leonard Church
Never liked the reasoning. It weirdly assumes that somehow the monstrous option was the best and only option. That there could have been zero deviations. Real manipulative rational too. Imagine the list of atrocities you can now add and, apparently, justify. The evil you can do when you think only you can solve the problem and only you know what's right and wrong. I guess it's good they didn't make them eat the washout members or something. Harden them soldiers. Like Roman decimation. It was the only way.
Space Marines: "The Emperor is an unfeeling god, and we waste our efforts on mortals!" "We should turn to the Ruinous Powers!" Spartans: "The UNSC is an unfeeling entity, and we are commanded by those who could never properly utilize our potential." "Nevertheless, we will do our duty."
Spartan I: I’m doing my part! Join today! Service guarantees citizenship. Spartan II: can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity! Or remorse or fear and it absolutely will not stop!... ever... until you are dead! Spartan III: PRAISE BE TO SPACE KING
The Spartans being always "MIA" was communicated so well. You heard that, knew it was BS, but it almost added to the mystique because, at least with 117, it might be true.
In clasic pancreas style my only source for this is "I remember reading it somewhere" But apparently creating a suit of Mjolnir armor costs about the same as producing a UNSC destroyer
@@Gearshoot it’s using the most advanced technology they have and the best materials they have, factor in maintenance costs and yeah, the armour is fucking expensive.
The real life Spartans shows the weaknesses of the Spartan Way. The Spartiates were raised from Childhood in a brutal fashion, given little food and made to steal from others, regularly beaten and eventually forced to serve in death squads which terrorized the Helots (enslaved peoples which farmed for their Spartan overlords) and regularly trained and drilled. They did produce formidable phalanxes which held for longer which did have a fearsome reputation. The problem was that they were hard pressed to maintain a population base due to the high attrition rate among their youth. There were never more than 10,000 Spartan Men, often less. A lucky stab, slash, spear poke, arrow or sling bullet could still kill them and it would be years before any replacements were ready. The loss of a even a few hundred people was one they could ill afford. They also were famously defeated by the Sacred Band of Thebes at the battle of Leuctra, a body of men retained by the state of Thebes to be the ultimate phalanx (also composed of homosexual couples). The Roman Legions were far more efficient: the Roman State recruited people, trained them, fed, clothed, armed armored, sheltered and supplied them, kept them under arms and drilled them regularly. At their height there were about 200,000 Legionaries as well as 300,000 Auxilia recruited from various non-citizen populations.
That's what gets me: A well-outfitted and *mostly* happy military is the best way forward. We've seen it several times throughout history. Spartans were badasses, but they suffered from low numbers and quality over quantity. "Quality Over Quantity" was even at play with German armor during WW2... Sure, your Tiger could rip a Sherman to pieces with little effort, but 3-4 at once? Not a chance. Which isn't a knock against WW2 Era German armor, they're beautiful pieces of machinery even now, but there just weren't enough.
That's without mentioning that a Spartan style training program wouldn't work for a modern military. A lot of jobs and positions require college degrees, so you have to educate your soldier to a college level while also giving him military training. It'd be much better to spot a perspective candidate and use social engineering to influence them into joining the military, where they will then likely qualify for whatever super soldier program you're working on.
@@addisonwelsh From what I remember the Spartan 2s did receive very high level education to go along with their brutal training but it was mostly military related things which makes it a bit more sad when it comes to basic interaction with regular marines or soldiers being described as awkward and strange due to a lack of teaching basic human conversation/communication (that was non-military related).
@@thehtehteotheithe Entirely wrong. While Spartiate women did have it better in some degrees then other Greek women at the time, they where locked away from political power, and their purpose was to have as many children as possible. The actual reason why Sparta had such a problem maintaining its population was because it was relativly easy to loose your Citizenship, by failing to uphold your social, economic or political duties, while becoming a citizen was essentially impossible. So with every generation more and more Spartan families dropped out of the system and became second class citizens(who had it still much better then the 90% of helots).
From what I could tell, most of the Orion soldiers got extremely rare or aggressive forms of cancer. Like sergeant Johnson had something affecting his nervous system
@@The-Great-PenguinThey can, its just so much harder that infection forms will actively ignore him in favor of literally any other capable form of biomass.
@@WarCriminal2002this is why I think his flood vs tyranid opinion is way too skewd towards the flood, if ONI could accidentally create flood resistance, the Nids could easily do it too
@@BenadrylNumbercrunch Unless the 'nids can just straight up remove the need for biomass, flood wins every time. The moment the Flood conquer a single planet its GG's, because now they can literally infect the fabric of reality, open remote slipspace portals on a whim and exhude a sort of beacon that creates unease in all living entities within an unknown radius. The best outcome for the 'nids, a purely biological combatant, is a stalemate. The Forerunners only won because they are one of the most OP factions in all of sci fi. Imagine the old ones, but with real wartime capabilities and the confirmed ability to manipulate other universes as a powersource (Vacuum Energy, they create and they abort universes as a power source)
@@BenadrylNumbercrunch Besides, Johnsons 'resistance' isnt resistance. Its just that feral stage infection forms will avoid wasting energy when much easier prey is nearby. The original plan in First Strike was clearly resistance, but that has been long since retconned. If the Forerunners couldnt figure out a cure in their millenia long war, the 'nids aint got a chance.
Whenever I think about saying Supersoldiers are overrated I think about being a 7-9ft mountain of armor and muscle swinging a dude around like Kong did with Suko in GxK and just go silent.
Super soldiers will never be overrated. Overdone perhaps, but never overrated. The concept pulls at the most fundamental male fantasy. That being the most jacked being in existence and an ultimate badass. Doesn’t matter which age of mankind you choose, every man at some point has desired to be the toughest man on earth. The super soldier is the latest evolution of the mythic warrior ideal.
I seem to recall in one of the early novels around when 3 came out, after the vehicle was disabled one of the 2s used a ruggedized military quad bike as an improvised heavy melee weapon.
Been binging halo content for the past couple months and was kinda burnt out on it but my algorithm showed me this immediately and I gotta say. This is my favorite halo video. Wouldn't mind if you made like 90 more
Two additional facts about the Spartan 1s for anyone interested: First, Sgt. Johnson was completely immune to the flood infection. This was how he survived Halo 1. It should be noted that this was unique to him, no other Spartan 1 was immune and Dr. Halsey didn't think it was possible to recreate it. Second, Sgt. Forge was hinted to be a Spartan 1.1 as his father or grandfather suffered from Boren's Syndrome. This is why he can survive a brawl with a Spartan 2, and kill the Arbiter in melee combat. Granted Jerome was certainly pulling his punches, and he only beat the Arbiter by tricking him. But I say the only thing more dangerous than a smart man, is a smart AND tough man.
Resistant, not immune. Given enough time he could be infected. But due to the resistance he was able to yank the infection form off of him that tried, and after that the flood just went "screw it" and tried to kill him outright instead
Reason johnson was not infected is that the ORION project messed the hell out of his nervous system, so the infection forms had a hell of a time trying to even get to it.
Halsey: My children are the next stage of human evolution! Miranda, John 117, Cortana (Crippled Spartans): … Are you serious. (Spartans were lucky they didn’t have to actually deal with insurrectionist. Imagine how messed up they would have been after dealing with that. Fighting covenant to save humanity was probably best thing for their mental health through out their lives.)
I mean from a physical aspect she's not wrong. They found ancient Humanity Armor and it worked almost naturally with the 2's while the 4's had to have the ancient armor modified to work with them. Sooooo. I wouldn't be surprised if the Ancinet humans who fought the Flood were all like Spartan 2's.
Alot of the earlier Spartans were deployed against insurrectionists, pretty sure there's a book that has a normal ODST describe the aftermath of one being dropped into an innie base. The Spartans didn't come any worse the wear out of it, the 2's were so robotic no amount of gore would really do anything to them.
@@cookiecraze1310 he's talking about a life long battle against humans. We see the way the war has impacted Spartan IIs and IIIs through master chief and others like Lucy. They tense up and have an instant impulse to kill. Chief literally put a gun to Arbiters head at first sight. So if Spartans lived their lives killing humans, who knows how that would've effected their brainwashed unnatural minds.
@@crazyscotsman9327 While true, though the ancient humanity might have had the tech to make spartans or to make the armour work, evolution is about the fittest not strongest. The galactic environment was different back then, so required different adaptations. In fact since humanity was annihilated at the time they were an evolutionary failure. I would in fact argue (to Halsey not you) that Spartan one are the next stage in human evolution since the rest aren’t immune to flood, but sergeant Johnson is.
You're so right about first impressions. They stumbled so hard on the intro of S4's... Fantastic video of course! I'm very happy with how your a Fellow halo fan. It's right and proper
i love the Spartans more than the space marines, especially given how easier it is to make Spartans than space marines, and how human the Spartans can be as well
I have a great pity for the spartans , simply because Like master chief They really are made for one purpose And when the purpose is over they have no meaning anymore Which has got me thinking?What's going to happen to master chief If he survives the ending of the series Because He's a victim of the spartan program Perhaps they will retire him And try to give him a Is normal life But that leads to Other questions Can he live a normal life
@@djashovel Spartans are never gonna be allowed to retire. They'll either spend the rest of their lives as ONI's trigger men, get stuffed in cryo until the next big war, or be executed by more loyal Spartans if they ever think about going against ONI.
@@djashovelThe Master Chief has said that when he retires he will become a diplomat and travel the galaxy. Additionally, Spartans can reintegrate relatively well into civil society and start families (Randal and Maria)
@@addisonwelsh Except there explicitly is a SPARTAN II that retired, or at least went into a more civillian role. If I remember correctly, she actually was the test pilot for the Mk6 Mjolnir Chief wore from Halo 2 onwards
I actually dislike when spartans are "human", a Spartan's greatest weapon is the mindset, the unrelenting uncaring determination of six and the "how can i win" mentality of chief regardless of odds are what made spartans spartans... The whole "human" thing was just an excuse to make them jarheads with power armor when it came to spartan 4s. Also space marines are 200% humans mentally that's literally the reason for most if not all of their problems and the same goes for primarchs, custodes are inhuman like spartans. Fulgrim is literally a fuck up trust fund kid who just so happens to be a giant snake. Dorn is legitimately just autistic. Guilliman is the only primarch with a shred of inhumanity in the way his mind works, everyone else is just a very very capable human being. Malcador was more inhuman than all the primarchs combined.
15:05 Well, i mean, forge wasn't _exactly_ a normal human either. Remember the children of the soldiers of the Orion Project you mentioned? The ones who were physically superior to normal humans, even if it wasn't massive difference? Forge was one of them.
It says his father has the same 'syndrome' which tey explained Jhonson surviving the flood because of in Halo CE. This was later retconned to be a coverup of project orion.
Honestly Spartans are my favorite super soldier type, but more because they were so special. The II's were in the god damn single digits near the end of the war. Marines often say "When i asked for reinforcements, i didn't think they would send a Spartan" and other variations of that.
Something I also wanted to add was that the first time Thel (The Arbiter) met a Spartan it genuinely TERRIFIED him. He thought he was fighting a walking corpse.
Buck was right with the comparison of SPARTAN gens, but that gets bad real quick once Infinity canonized that the majority of 4s are either dead or missing The demigods got folded and the UNSC had to scramble back the few remaining 2s and 3s to help, it's like sending the WW2 vets to Vietnam cuz your regular troopers got turned into fertilizer
4s might have the benefit of technological advancements and not having high death rate but a soldier with augments and fancy armor doesnt beat something cultivated since childhood to be a killing machine
Gonna use every chance I get to decry Karen Traviss' recons to Halsey and the Spartan program. There ain't no way Halsey did the entire flash clone thing behind ONI's back. It's ONI. You don't do ANYTHING behind their backs. Two, how would she even manage that without ONI? And three nothing about the flash clones as a cover up is outside of their modus operandi. These are the same chuckleforks who: - Nuked Civilians - Tried to WEAPONIZE THE EFFING FLOOD - Covered up most of the Human Covenant war - Found a marble sized slipspace bubble and pulled a whole Dyson Sphere out of it - Took it over said Dyson Sphere and founded Space Gitmo - Used a reporter to gaslight everyone into thinking the Master Cheif's real history was fake - Threw the reporter they used to do it into space gitmo and drove him insane - Tried to repeatedly destabilized genocide the Elites AFTER the war - One of those attempts involved selling guns to Space Bin Laden - Knew about ancient humanity long before anyone else And Travis expects me to believe a civilian contractor organized a whole cloning op just under their noses, and they would have objected to such a cover up. I'd also like to remind everyone than prior to the Kilo-Five character assassination Parangoski resented her for having too much of a moral compass compared to the rest of ONI and did everything to keep the S3s covered up from her because of it, which says a lot about ONI. Need I remind everyone the Spartan III program was the S2 program again but with more kids but now clad in stealth-coated paper mache and sent on suicide missions by the hundreds. Also later on they added intentional berseker drugs into the mix, that had to be suppresed with medication for the rest of the life otherwise they would psychologically degenerate into rabid animals within days. But this is supposed to be more ethical and no way as evil as what Halsey did because they get "Consent" from 5 year old traumatized orphans. Remember how Halsey was adamant about not lying to the Spartans or brainwashing them out of fear that the Paramount Halo TV show would exist and out of whatever genuine human decency she could spare knowing how horrible the situation was regardless? Karen Traviss sure doesn't remember. Remember how ONI already had the Spartan 2 program planned out and Halsey stayed on partly out of fear of how much crueler it may have been without her? Nah let's throw that in the trash and come up with her being a eugenicist out of nowhere, and she was the sole mastermind and somehow tricked all of bloody Space INGSOC into doing what she wanted. Granny knows what she did was awful and loathes it. Y'all need to give her a break and get on the rest of ONI's case. Especially Parangoski's self-righteous butt.
I liked Karen when she did the Republic Commando books, but that writer has a Capital P Problem with people that are supposed to be Paragons or at least close to them. In the RC books she did everything she could to rip into the Jedi and make one of them disillussioned with the order enough to join the mercenaries with found family problems. Was she wrong? Not really, the Jedi being 'ok' with their slave army was sketch but it was also what happened and they couldn't throw away their tool they needed while the war was happening. Giving her any kind of control over the Halo series, and NOT have someone on hand to slap down the changes to Halsey? Bad idea.
Thank you, I get sick of all the Halsey hate too. In the Bungie era she was always portrayed at a tragic hero of sorts. The right woman in the wrong place at the wrong time sort of deal. It was Ackerson who was the villian, who didn't care about the lives the Spartans and had no moral compass to speak of. The Spartan IIs revered Halsey and viewed her as a surrogate mother of sorts. That really tells the reader everything they need to know about the kind of person she is.
@@addisonwelsh To be fair the UNSC is still better than The Imperium, even with all the fucked up shit ONI does. For all their evil the government of Halo is clearly descended from The Enlightenment and its origins are in the Liberal Democracies of the 20th century. As such there is value placed on things like objective truth, human rights and individual liberty/responsibility. If you notice ONI actually feels the NEED to hide what it does from the public eye which means that the public at large would consider ONI’s actions morally reprehensible and would seek restitution for their crimes. The Imperium is a Frankenstein’s Monster of a civilization that takes basically all of the most brutal beliefs of human history and chucks them in a blender. It has no regard for anything other than mere survival and it believes only what is necessary to keep its people compliant. The Inquisition feels no need to hide its deeds from the public for fear of moral repercussions, in fact they show their atrocities openly like the Kings of ancient Babylon or Assyria. There’s no pretenses in the Imperium for things like justice or truth. For in the grim darkness of the far future peace has been forgotten, truth has no meaning, understanding is anathema and there remains only the eternal war against the dying of the light. Abandon all hope to ye who enter the 41st Millennium.
11:11 This feels like the dumbest retcon in the entire series. How in the hell was the Queen Spook of ONI--who is described as having her hands in every piece of dirty business in the UNSC--somehow unaware that an important ONI program (carried out by ONI agents) involved replacing the Spartan candidates with clones until after the fact? Also, two things worth mentioning about the S3s. We got a good chance to compare the baseline abilities of the 2s and 3s in Ghosts of Onyx when Kurt chose to use SPI armor instead of his MJOLNIR in an act of solidarity with the 3s. The book also shows the extremes the Gamma company's secret augments allowed them operate under when after combat one dropped de ad seemingly unaware he had been grievously wounded in the fight.
IV's are kinda, but II's and III's are on a whole other level. Add on mjonir and they are the new gods of death. Also Spartans are spec ops while space marines are standard infantry, so they fulfill very different missions.
S2s especially in later gens of armour have lifting strength closer to custodes level, and in the most recent model, straight up at/slightly above into the three digits tonnes not at full effort when wounded to the bone on one leg. Their proportions compared to astartes makes a lot of people assume they must be dex builds/drastically weaker. Edit: i feel i should clarify given some others in the community. Yes i still like astartes and custodes this isn't to rag on them. Also i am talking unnamed marines because 40k runs entirely on plot armour for its scaling so yes you can absolutely debunk what i said by taking pov characters : P Second edit: ok this is driving me nuts i made two long ass responses to comments in the chain and they arent showing up after hitting post so i'll add it here in todr form: Spartans age 12 outrunning aimbot from mech autocannons and punching them down, in a flat field hundreds of metres wide with no cover and the mechs in the centre, no armour, no weapons, still coping with body recovering from augments and being not fully grown. Neophytes are NOT pulling it off, grown fully equipped marines could with variables on the loss count. Space marines having plot armour has become such a meme that we looped back around to calling out people calling it out, but it doesnt mean the plot armour isnt strong as adamantite. Halo still has plot armour, as most stories do, but is immensely more consistent. I had to trim that shit down i aint rewritting thel fully screw that. Third goddamn edit: i am actually losing my goddamn mind with youtube deleting my f***ing answers. Here's to spartans in gen 3 and why brutes are much more of a problem most people realise because gameplay balance makes them jokes by comparison: chief lifted a block of granite the size of a warthog Flipping scorpions is canon Strong brutes have been quoted as being able to rip a hunter in two if they get in range since halo 2 (tartarus did it and he wasnt THAT big an outlier stat wise aside from the funky stuff the fist of rukt did) Brutes live on the harshest world when it comes to gravity of the halo races, they're not simply tall, they are absurdly dense, a naked brute WILL take a mag dump from an MA5B point blank and still have enough juice left to rip you apart. Mind you UNSC ballistics despite using the same calibres as modern weapons for dimensions have considerably higher yields (people more educated than me did the calcs such as installation 00 and i think marcus vence? I may hvae fucked up the name, cant look up on youtube while typing the comment. Both the material science, propellant, and chamber pressure put them much higher than the modern equivalents) Hunters depending on the exact form and armour designation are in the 5 tonnes area with their main armour being at tank level (our tanks, not theirs, to be clear, covenant nanolaminite is pretty strong given it shits on unsc titanium a) and have the strength to bring mid sized vehicles to a full stop with an arm swing and ruin them in the process. I cant do the maths on hand for what bringing a fully loaded hog to a stop by punching it with no ill effect to the hunter consists of in strength and resilience but yeah brutes have been compared to these fuckers lorewise. Brutes function like smarter faster angrier ogryns more than an ork but have similar pitfalls where if you're in their ballpark even with a disadvantage if you keep to range you have a good chance but letting them in cqc with no prior experience dealing with them or opponents considerably stronger than you is a death sentence even to spartans to some extent. As for s2s in gen 3 getting bodied by brutes That happened exactly once in mainline content and under pretty specific circumstances: Chief vs atriox It isnt an even fight from the get go as atriox both has a free hit by being a lil bitch (never fights spartans head on without ambush...ok admittedly more smart than anything) and has a much higher grade weapon than chief who only has a sidearm. Atriox's gravity mace at absolute worst should compare to a regular grvaity hammer (logically would be higher but i will keep it at that level) Gravity hammers have similar effects as hunter punches except with AOE and debilitating/concussive effects (if something is enough of a brick to survive a strike) The fact that chief was still standing at all after a full force initiative strike from that without being mush is a testament to gen3, any other previous gen would have simply gotten mulched. (This is consistent with other gen 3 feats as its able to facetank monitor beams, something that fucked up chief in mark 6 which is technically better than gen2 armour on s2s) Also Atriox not only is a brute and thus gets everything i talked about Not only has a personalised gravity mace incorporating banished upgrades and blades from silent shadows in it He's also iirc the single most imposing brute we have seen towering over even other brutes AND if you didnt notice His armour is actually powered He is amped Frankly this goes more to show how much of an upgrade Gen3 is than anything else. So yes Spartans getting messed up by brutes in cqc unless they have a bunch of experience dealing with them already and ARENT ambushed is normal. Should specify the granite lifting feat is what i alluded to with chief having a wound to the bone on one of his legs during that feat, its in a recent story, am on the highway (passenger dont worry) so honestly cant be bothered to go back check which it is but should be one of the most recent novels. The nlock of granote was calced at minimum 100+ tonnes hence my statement, that and it is roughly in line with spartans up to this point if you account the gen 3 boost and the wound + chief not being all that strong for an s2 Note: just remembered that monitor beams also vaporise elites with shields down and bissecr hunters if at full power, was most proeminently seen in the comic that starred black team iirc
@@sirflapfla97 astartes armour and bolter resilience and output is MONSTRUOUSLY inconsistent to the point it allows a chapter of marines to take on a force of necrons or eldar that vastly outnumbers them if the writer feels like it, something that very simply shouldn't happen as the opponent are in their ballpark in statline or above while having weapons and armour at minimum comparable to theirs (on paper, GW likes to just like ....not do that and makes SMs tank eldar shit all the time) comparable / better training (eldar) I'm picking those two because they're realistically the biggest offender while still being kinda eyebrow raising just from a glancing look The most egregious case would be the tau since....like, as much as some may hate them, yes, an actual tactically competent military with gear for their basic troops that can harm marines consistently (i'm NOT saying basic tau guns can one tap marines but they have WAY better performance on ceramite than say lasguns and normal ballistic weaponry) would shitstomp the mostly medieval level shit most of 40k has. Necrons can fall into that category too SOMETIMES but heavily depends on the leader, and the individual non named necron wont exactly be tactically competent. Halo is both a more grounded and more consistent verse, a plasma pistol was a threat to unshielded spartans at the start of the war, it still kills a spartan with its shields down in three shots by the time of the fall of reach. Only post war sees significant upgrade in unsc plasma resilience for non shielded stuff. There is plot armour, no popular sci fi setting and most stories involving a main character cant function without some. But its much, much, much less egregious than 40k I dont care How skilled your marine is They arent lifting a necron pilon Winning 1000 vs multiple billions on an eldar craftsworld (happened) Destroying a lord of skulls in melee. We have to aknowledge that those stories are written by people that either dont care or dont know about consistency and/or scaling. And at this point the issue is self perpetuating. Edit: f u c k i forgot to mention This Obviously Doesnt address warp enhancing So librarians and chaos empowerement unaccounted for because... Well Magic~°*
Forge is heavily implied to be a 1.1 which is more or less the only reason he didnt get absolutely destroyed fighting Jerome. The author for games story say that's how she imagined him and in the original story board he was a spartan before being made a marine. In addition to his daughters nickname being Orion as a tongue in cheek joke from the writers.
Halo: Evolutions had a short story about a Spartan recruit who's surgery went horribly wrong. His muscles rapidly overgrew before his bones became indestructible. His arm became overly strong, even by Spartan standards, but it shattered the bones in his arm. Even worse, the bones became indestructible AFTER they were shattered, meaning his arm was permanently broken and no surgery could fix him. This left him in constant pain, needing to take pain killers just to make it through the day. He was also deemed unfit to be a Spartan, and they stuck him in a desk job. Being kidnapped, put through brutal training to become a super soldier, and left in pain due to the actions of the people who kidnapped him naturally bred resentment in him. His coworker, who was secretary an insurrectionist sympathizer, noticed his resentment, and slowly started recruiting him over to his ideology over a period of months until he full-on rebelled.
1:07 Actually, someone is making a set of Mjolnir that's as good as we can get with modern technology that a civilian can access. It's obviously going to be weaker and not have shields, but it still will be a powered exoskeleton that increases strength (probably not speed though). Installation 00's Project: MJOLNIR, if anyone's interested. Also, Locke wasn't folded by the Chief because the GEN 2 mjolnir armor actively limits speed and strength to prevent the IV's hurting themselves. Chief was wearing GEN 2, just like Locke, so they were equal in speed and strength.
Chief was wearing GEN 1 Mjolnir armor that cortana modified with nano machines or some other bs that the devs made up on the spot to explain the change in art direction.
Apologies for double comment, but Rubicon Protocol instilled in me the idea that the IV's can be just as legendary as their predecessors. From a bruised Horvath lifting a Phantom (with Brutal assistance), Kovan saving an escape pod of Infinity's crewman by turning it over, Stone going out the way she did and actually bringing me to tears knowing what she did instead of just being first random Spartan corpse you find in Infinite. They're all more than they give off. I mean when it comes to the games, you have Fireteam Crimson, Spartan Assault (Davis my beloved), the entire room Sorels body is in, and I guess Thorne fighting as many Elites unarmed as he did in Spartan Ops without a helmet. I really love em.
They have much wider range of genetic compatible so there could be plenty of S-4 of great quality. The problem is their training and indoctrination...😂 Those are jokes compare to what they did to S-2/3 and it showed
@@thebigenchilada678 The Banished are just about as effective on the ground as the Covenant. Thing is the Covenant had numbers, while the Banished use actual tactics and cunning. Superheated plasma is still superheated plasma.
@@ryan_1099 yet it was literally numbers that made the covenant such a gargantuan threat and the sole reason so many Spartans died. The banished have no reason to be able to do what they do other than 343 needing the covenant back because everyone hated the forerunner skeleton robots.
@@thebigenchilada678 genuine military tactics and strategy, combined with plasma and other forms of exotic weaponry (Like what ever the fuck Needler needles are made of). Add on all the bells and whistles that Cov armor has? Means the Banished can be and are a threat.
Spartans TWOS* are so cool. Enhancements that don’t make me question their humanity, armour befitting a hyper tactical bipedal TANK in a setting that makes it easy to appreciate their existence despite the messy you-know-whats
I am genuinely surprised not see one single 40K fanboy saying some lore inaccurate nonsense about Space Marine bullets being the size of soda cans or one space marine being able to wipe out all of earth or some nonesense.
@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 To be fair, there are so many memes that are regarded as canon by the fandom that it's tough to tell what is canon and what isn't. *glares at the people who believe an Inquisitor destroying a planet because of one heretic is normal*
What needs to be remembered about John doing that to the ODSTs at 14 is that he wasn’t even considered the best of the Spartan 2s, at least not physically or mentally in any way. He wasn’t the strongest, he wasn’t the fastest, he wasn’t the best marksman, he wasn’t the best fighter and he wasn’t the smartest. In universe, the only thing he has going for himself is that he’s canonically lucky, and gets the job done (plus Cortana). A 14 year old Spartan who was getting used to his new enhancements, that wasn’t even considered the top of his cohort, was able to decimate 4 fully grown, well trained ODSTs, while not trying to actually physically maim them. The deaths/injuries he caused weren’t through malicious intent or rage. They were due to him not realising how strong he truly was and how much he needed to hold back.
24:13 I'll have you know that 50% boosts are a massive game-changer and I can quit whenever I want to even if I'm playing presently while watching this on the side
@@veljkorajic5281 If you have an abundance of free time you don't know how to get rid of I would highly recommend it, you will either pass on it quickly or rack of thousands of hours.
The revelation that individual Spartan IIIs physical skills even equaled and even surpassed Spartan IIs is really something. Makes me realise as well: Noble Six is fricking terrifying.
Jerome is one of my favourite Spartans as a whole since he feels like a passion project of halo, he just has a ton of personality and he's a badass spartan II so extra points
33:42 Especially the chief. Heck, get the rarest and best materials we can find, make a new alloy with them, and make a suit truly unique to that one-man army. Mans is literally so fast and powerful, I wouldn't be surprised if positions he takes go unmanned or skeleton crewed for weeks as the U.N.S.C. Logistics fail to keep up. When you need something impossible to be done, send in the chief and he'll do it in hours. O.N.I. Should put every resource they have into improving and supporting him, at least.
Spartan I (Orions): The stepping stones to future super solider projects Spartan II: The perfect soldier made for a war that never came but thrives in the one they found themselves in. Spartan III: The most tragic of the Spartans lost there families and worlds and were made to trade lives for time. Spartan IV: The IVs have to reach that high bar set by their predecessors. The most human of the Super Soldier Program
Didn’t expect Thunder to make a last second appearance, but I appreciate it all the same. Glad you’re sticking with making the occasional Halo lore video, and I can’t wait to eventually see one on the Elites, or just the Arbiter.
@@BlueTable-t6k Indoctrination I'd assume. The Spartan were practically machines in terms of loyalty compared to the Space Marines that still kept getting defectors every now and again.
The 2's did get upgraded armor. Blue team is wearing Gen 2 in Halo 5, and gets upgraded to Gen 3 before Halo: Shadows of Reach so Chief is wearing it in Halo: Infinite. Love your videos man, they're my favorite to put on while working on some 40k models!
On a rewatch and rethink about this and why Spartan IVs get better armor than Spartan IIs or IIIs is a simple one: because the IVs require constant check-ups and adjustments to their augmentations, every time they leave the lab they are on a soft time limit before their augmentations get out of whack or even wear off, while IIs and IIIs don't have this limitation. Having your supersoldier require constant maintenance is just a way of keeping them in check or you'll get what they thought Master Chief became: a rogue demigod of war roaming up your backside. Nobody wants that. So the IV's augmentations having less kick yet having much better armor means they have a limited shelf life of maximum effectiveness before they wear down in a few months at the longest of timescales, while a II or III can just keep trucking well into their 70's and 80's and still be able to fold Unistrut with their bare hands.
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I just wanted to tell you there is a warhammer 40k vs star wars series you might like
It's made by a fan with too much time
Spartans and halo in general is way better than 40k, better soldiers, better super soldiers, better characters, better story, and better people overall, I'll even say they have better aliens, yes 40k might be stronger than them, but I love halo so much more for the fact it's story actually does everything from hope to grimdark so much better
that being said, rylanor is still a G
Halo weapons can pierce heavy armour hence why the marines were able to kill covenants soldiers. Magnum has exploding rounds just look at their arsenal through a wiki.
@@patrickiamonfire965 I still believe all their guns have mini rail guns in them to make the bullets hit harder and there is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise
Have you play Nikke: Goddess of Victory? What do you think about its Cute Grim Dark setting?
My favorite kind of child soldier: The kind full of drugs
Roman Polanski please log in 😂
The rimworld experience
Especially when they're of the performance enhancement kind
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General butt naked is that you? (For real if you don't know who that is, look into him. Fucking wild story, sad one but fucking wild)
Inquisitor to ONI Agent: "Have you considered changing jobs?"
the inquisition wishes it could be as evil as ONI
Oni agent: thanks but you're too soft
ONI Agent: why would I join a circus of clowns who are terrible at their jobs?
Inquisitor:"Well if it isn't the bacon calling the salmon greasy."
@@HalosDestiny115 ONI Agent to Inquistor: Fish Grease is by definition healthier and more beneficial than bacon grease, thank you very much.
ONI is the most realistic clandestine organisation ever written:
Massive budget, omnipresent surveillance and data gathering, and yet completely incompetent.
Government in a nutshell.
Ahhh, bureacracy.
Even THEY dont know where half their funding goes!
The CIA, in other words
Don’t forget purposely self-sabotaging
Ask not what Emile did to the Innies. Ask instead, "What did the Innies do to deserve Emile?"
Lmfaooo
There's a fan-made comic about noble team called "A Fistful of Arrows", by Levi Hoffmeier, that shows a Noble Team operation against an insurrectionist cell. The author included a scene where Emile gets absolutely blasted by a warthog gun which results in multiple dents and scratches in his EVA visor. He then proceeded to scratch his signature skull into the visor in order to hide the scratches. If you consider that canon, then that's a good reason to be pissed off at the Innies for.
They murdered his parents.
@@noneed4sleep64 I thought Emile was a COVENANT war orphan??
@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy yes and no. Innies got his parents, after which he was raised by his older brother. After he was killed by the covenant, Emile was taken in by ONI.
Also let’s not forget, half of the Spartans didn’t betray humanity. 99.9% loyal AF and died proving it
Humanity didn’t deserve them. Halsey thought that and kidnapped a bunch. Planning to wait out the defeat of the UNSC.
@@Zileas01 im not so sure on that I mean there have been a good handful especially with the 4s that went traitor but even when fighting the covenant Spartans regularly killed humans to for one reason or another and never showed any problem with it
@@Zileas01 a spartan will betray ONI to protect civilians.
That's even more based.
A space marine will betray you for some warp weed
@@Zileas01 yea no, IIs were heavily indoctrinated never would have happened
@Zileas01 honestly I feel like that'd only be an issue for like spartan 3's onward and even then I doubt many 3's would defect and it'd mainly just be the 4's since their at base line normal civies that just joined up and have wildly dif upbringings with more factors for it, even more so than the 3's which were like what 8-13? at their oldest. when some of the 2's found out about their old lives most chose to continue being a spartan and thought they were doing more as one than they ever would've done if they hadn't been adducted, but that could also just be that sweet S2 indoctrination. which most classes got multiple years of outside of 4's since you know "human rights" and all that stuff oni doesn't like
Remember, Spartans don’t fall in battle. They’re only MIA.
colombian warfare at it finest
Those Spartans aren't dead! They're just napping after a successful hunt! Look, you can tell by all the dead aliens!
Truly, nature sure is beautiful!
"Said the ONI director".
the real qoute is spartans never die their just missing in action no?
Oni propaganda
spartans have always been one of the most interesting super-soldiers to me due to initially being designed for human vs human warfare, only to be shifted over to alien warfare by pure chance
right place right time
“My life is so hard. Nothing feels fulfilling. I’m so tired and beaten down all the time.”
*seconds later*
“New PNW Halo video let’s frickin go”
Sending good vibes, hope you have some better times, or at least a better week
You got this, pancreas saves all
"Hey guys, I'm in the Outer Colonies, and I'm looking for that kid who can perfectly predict a coin flip. What've we got here! YOINK! Ooh, it's a kid who just lost his parents in an Innie attack! He'll make a fine soldier, just look how mad he is! Check out this cool math prodigy! YOINK! These guys are super valuable for data analysis and other nerd stuff, I'm sure she'll come in handy. Ooh, what do we have here? It's a street urchin! YOINK! You're not that kid who can perfectly call a coin flip, but I'll take you along anyway. These kids probably won't survive all the augments the docs stick in them, but if they do, they'll be able to do some really cool stuff. I'm still looking for that kid who can call a coin flip, but in the meantime-YOINK-check out this kid whose parents got arrested for being Innie sympathizers. He doesn't like me, or the UNSC, but thats nothing a little brainwashing can't fix."
🗿
fishingarret but ONI
ONI Vlog moment
ONI agent Garrett strikes again
You win this comments section
SPARTANS and their story are intrinsically tied into my formative years as a pre-teen and teenager. Even now, as an adult, there's a part of my soul that will always brim with fervor when they show up.
I'd die if I was put through the Space Marine program, or trained to become a COG Gear.
I'd *refuse* to die if it meant becoming a SPARTAN.
I agree with this
That's my thought process but for becoming an Astartes
13:14 Funny thing about that the spartan IIs did have a shrink. He ended up taking his own life out of guilt with his final request to Parangosky was to put his brain into an AI.
And my favorite line about the spartan 3s was Parangisky's simple question to Akerson: "You want to trade lives for time?" Still sends chill reading or hearing it.
Edit: One final note at 31:42 the earlier version of spartan 4 augmentations was inteded to make the 4s as strong as the 2s WITHOUT mjolnir armor. nine subjects died, one went insane her name is Ilsa Zane and she's on the loose with the banished.
Ahh, a fellow deep lore enjoyer. Not a lot of people point this out.
BB is the greatest too
Ackerson was such a psychopath even Parangosky was taken aback at how casual he was with burning the IIIs lives away.
At least that’s how I read her response to the question.
@@pancreasnowork9939I always read more as Parangosky feeling guilt the closer she got to the end of her career. She did a lot of fucked up shit and not all of it was for the better.
@pancreasnowork9939 remember that it's canon that Noble 6 will just randomly stare at people for uncomfortably long amounts of time when out of combat...
So yeah, psychologically, Spartan 3s got it the worst...
Oni is basically the weapons plus program but with the budget of the US military industrial complex, nasa and every fed agency.
Oh please, ONI's budget would be akin to the current GWP on a bad day.
I'm pretty sure one of the books describes ONI as literally every FED Agency because they subsumed all of the other organizations like themselves. I think this comes from the Kilo-5 trilogy of books (Glasslands, The Thursday War, and Mortal Dictata) they're pretty good if you haven't already read them but they complain about Dr. Halsey pretty much every chapter and it gets annoying after the 5th time
The budget of a government on a single planet vs. the budget of a government spanning many planets over tens of light years....
With the morality of the SCP foundation
@@twekkliiaslk No, they took over every intelligence agency. ONI is not every government agency, but ONI does have a complete monopoly on government intel.
I loved how as the war goes on ONI goes from "Children kidnapped in *very* morally bankrupt fashion and trained to be paragons of humanity, the best of us, the next big leap etc, etc," to "We need to stop these alien mfs from glassing planets too quickly, lets gather as many preteen sociopaths, future serial killers, and reasonably gifted kids, pump them full of chemicals and throw them at the covenant"
They weren't even trying to hide it by the end.
And you know what they where right
When faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable...
😂😂
@zigzaghyena Dear Director, the protocol is not a guideline, it is doctrine. And no one is above its rule.
I mean, yeah? Humanity was for all intents and purposes going to be wiped out very quickly had Halo no been a video game series. As fun as it is to bash ONI for their corruption, paranoia, and ironic incompetence what other option was there for them?
Marines: "Omg spartans, we're saved!"
Spartan 3 headhunter, with necklace of Elite Mandibles around neck: "I really don't think you understand who we are."
"YOU READY TO DIE"
*hucks nuke at advancing Covenant*
"You don't seem to understand. Reach isn't yours for taking."
"more like... under new management"
Your Halo videos made me start replaying the games. They still hold up amazingly well.
Do some stealth in new mombasa
Thank God there's no Halo games after they made Halo Reach, right?! Right?!
@@theilluminatedone9214 there were, and they still have a place in my heart flaws and all.
@rollsthe1707 Thank you for making me smile. It’s nice to see someone else who thinks that
@theilluminatedone9214 can we start giving 343 games the pacific rim 2 treatment where they simply don't exist
Fun fact: Ackerson despised Halsey and the S2 program. Was it because it was unethical to kidnap kids? Nope! It was taking away funding from the ODST’s, his project. Despite hating the S2’s he saw that they were effective, but he saw room for improvement and an opportunity for revenge. The S3 program, expendable Spartans. He had Kurt kidnapped and faked his death in order to train the S3’s. Plus Halsey was completely unaware of the entire thing until Reach was falling (ignore Halo Reach Halsey).
Kurt did his best but good lord Ackerson was a fool.
Pretty sure that the S3 program was created and Ackerson put in charge of it in a meeting she was in. In Ghosts of Onyx.
I hated ackerson during that event .
Ackerman: “Halsey, you’re wasting all money and human lives”
Also Ackerman: “my plan’s way better:10x the intake, 99% casualties instead of 50%”
I mean, three battallions worth of supersoldiers is a lot more strategically significant than one company. And it was evidently scalable enough to become a whole self sufficient expeditionary force once society wasnt falling apart at the seams from three decades of total war. Ackerson may have been an idiot, but his work ended up very useful.
22:52 Fred was also stated as thinking they were horrifying. During the book Last Light the Spartan III from gamma company Olivia had a bolder crush her legs. She then proceeded to pick said bolder up stand up and smash a sentinel with it. She was 13 at this time and was no where done cooking with her augmentations. She also didn’t have mjolnir armor at the time either. She just had SPI armor. SIIIs are wack.
We also see the 3’s in beta company during their suicide mission butchering thousands of covenant in hand to hand combat so badly they had to call down their fleet to engage the 3’s directly. Keep in mind they were all between 11-14 years old and only wearing SPI
@@Snail_IV Halo casually writing warhammer levels of fucked up child soldiers.
A space marine would see a spi gamma 3 do their thing and go "Little....brother?"
@@ColdNorth0628 for real. I just wish Halo implemented the gore portrayed in their novels into their games like Warhammer does.
@@Snail_IVThat's not even the best part in my opinion. The best part of this was Alpha Company taking out thousands of Covenant, and held out for 5 Days... Despite being undersupplied, outnumbered, and outgunned in every way. And the covenant had to bring in cruisers. They had literal seraph squads do bomb and runs on them, and we know how strong the Covenant is in large scale battles.
@@justapersonz5441Imagine the timeline if ONI _wasn't_ completely incompetent or completely insane...
Emile clearly let out his inner night lord out on those rebels.
'Spartan rule 34' ok I'll check it out.
GOOD GRAYVY THEY'RE NAKED!
Less naked than you might think! people seem to really like those body suits...
3:33 Except for one, Avery Johnson, aka Mr. “I know what the ladies like himself”. The person whos death was honestly the saddest in all of Halo in my opinion.
It really was
That was Orion 2, not the first try. About 70 years too early for Johnsons go.
To clarify, Orion had 2 batches, the first 70 years before the second, with those ones being given the Taken out be behind the Shed treatment.
He says that in the video later
@MysticalyAutistic I was clarifying the OP, since he was saying Johnson was in the first batch. I am on the spectrum, not trying to be an ass.
Halo is pretty grimdark when you get into the lore.
Dont forget that Spartans were so valuable and dangerous that should just one be infected by the Flood, the UNSC would initiate a protocol (CORRUPTOR Protocol) allowing the use of weapons of mass destruction to take out the infected Spartan (and everything in the area). This has only happened once in lore.
“Dear Chairman, I don't give a DAMN about your committee and its opinions of my work. Have you forgotten sir, we were at war. A fight with an alien race for the very survival of our species. I feel I must remind you that it is undeniable, and may I say a fundamental quality of man, that when faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable.”
-Dr. Leonard Church
As if this video needed more nostalgia fuel
The Director's voice actor did such an excellent job. I still hear these lines with that same fury he spoke them.
Spoken like a true Inquisitor.
Never liked the reasoning. It weirdly assumes that somehow the monstrous option was the best and only option. That there could have been zero deviations. Real manipulative rational too.
Imagine the list of atrocities you can now add and, apparently, justify. The evil you can do when you think only you can solve the problem and only you know what's right and wrong.
I guess it's good they didn't make them eat the washout members or something. Harden them soldiers. Like Roman decimation.
It was the only way.
Reconstruction was honestly the peak of RvB
Space Marines:
"The Emperor is an unfeeling god, and we waste our efforts on mortals!"
"We should turn to the Ruinous Powers!"
Spartans:
"The UNSC is an unfeeling entity, and we are commanded by those who could never properly utilize our potential."
"Nevertheless, we will do our duty."
Because Spartans fight for humanity, not the leader of a human government
Chief said it best on Zeta Halo; "If we don't win here, there won't be a home to go back too."
Soo who's gonna tell him several spartans joined the insurgents? And unlike chaos they can't mess with your mind and soul
@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 let Halo fans have one win, fake as it is they need it
@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593yeah they didn't sell their soul to CHAOS GODS. Idk what you think you tried to prove here mate?
Spartans might be super Soldiers but the most Glorious Warrior of the UNSC is still Chips Dubbo
If Sly Marbo and Chips Dubbo were to ever meet, the amount of concentrated testosterone would form a singularity capable of swallowing a star system
@@SpoopySquid and what would happen if Arny or duke nukem would get involved aswell?
@@SpoopySquid nope.avi
Dear Sarge, kicking ass in outer space, wish you were here!
@@bradlovell3884I heard that, jackass!
They’re probably in my opinion the most well fleshed out fictional super soldiers and I will love them until I’m dead
Far from alone in such sentiments. Far from alone.
Spartan I: I’m doing my part! Join today! Service guarantees citizenship.
Spartan II: can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity! Or remorse or fear and it absolutely will not stop!... ever... until you are dead!
Spartan III: PRAISE BE TO SPACE KING
Covenant chips Spartan III armour.
Spartan III: Nova Bomb on that one guy that shot him
Na.. you took that Spartan ll line from Terminator 1 Kyle Reese
The Spartans being always "MIA" was communicated so well. You heard that, knew it was BS, but it almost added to the mystique because, at least with 117, it might be true.
Inquisitor: I’m sorry, you do WHAT with orphans?
Genetor Halsey
Halsey: It was for the greater good.
Inquisitor: God Emperor guide my hand against this Tau heretic.
Oh please as if Inquisitors don't do worse things like you know condemning entire worlds to die for the mere inkling of "heresy".
They'd hail it as a good cause. I'm guessing you have no clue what the drill Abbots do at the schola
You must be new here.
In clasic pancreas style my only source for this is "I remember reading it somewhere" But apparently creating a suit of Mjolnir armor costs about the same as producing a UNSC destroyer
It was in either Fall of Reach or Ghosts of Onyx.
Also maintaining it costs as much as a Corvette
@@AuburnTigers111it was the book version of the Fall of Reach.
… literally HOW THE HELL IS IT THAT EXPENSIVE
@@Gearshoot it’s using the most advanced technology they have and the best materials they have, factor in maintenance costs and yeah, the armour is fucking expensive.
F for Jorge. The only man that can eat The Roundmeal and live.
What were the instruction for the Roundmeal? Boil in bag, unwrap and enjoy?
@@evinbraleycorrect, if I remember correctly.
@@evinbraley FEEDS 3 MEN, WOMEN CANNOT EAT THIS!
This hit me in the roundfeels
Johnson could
12:47 O.N.I. seeing this incident and remembering john was only 14: **HEAVY BREATHING INTENSIFIES**
3:35 until Halo Wars mentioned. Local units in my area want to capture an elevator.
The real life Spartans shows the weaknesses of the Spartan Way. The Spartiates were raised from Childhood in a brutal fashion, given little food and made to steal from others, regularly beaten and eventually forced to serve in death squads which terrorized the Helots (enslaved peoples which farmed for their Spartan overlords) and regularly trained and drilled. They did produce formidable phalanxes which held for longer which did have a fearsome reputation. The problem was that they were hard pressed to maintain a population base due to the high attrition rate among their youth. There were never more than 10,000 Spartan Men, often less. A lucky stab, slash, spear poke, arrow or sling bullet could still kill them and it would be years before any replacements were ready. The loss of a even a few hundred people was one they could ill afford. They also were famously defeated by the Sacred Band of Thebes at the battle of Leuctra, a body of men retained by the state of Thebes to be the ultimate phalanx (also composed of homosexual couples).
The Roman Legions were far more efficient: the Roman State recruited people, trained them, fed, clothed, armed armored, sheltered and supplied them, kept them under arms and drilled them regularly. At their height there were about 200,000 Legionaries as well as 300,000 Auxilia recruited from various non-citizen populations.
That's what gets me: A well-outfitted and *mostly* happy military is the best way forward. We've seen it several times throughout history. Spartans were badasses, but they suffered from low numbers and quality over quantity.
"Quality Over Quantity" was even at play with German armor during WW2... Sure, your Tiger could rip a Sherman to pieces with little effort, but 3-4 at once? Not a chance. Which isn't a knock against WW2 Era German armor, they're beautiful pieces of machinery even now, but there just weren't enough.
That's without mentioning that a Spartan style training program wouldn't work for a modern military. A lot of jobs and positions require college degrees, so you have to educate your soldier to a college level while also giving him military training.
It'd be much better to spot a perspective candidate and use social engineering to influence them into joining the military, where they will then likely qualify for whatever super soldier program you're working on.
the spartan population was also so small because sparta was a matriarchy, which kept the birth rate in the dumps
@@addisonwelsh From what I remember the Spartan 2s did receive very high level education to go along with their brutal training but it was mostly military related things which makes it a bit more sad when it comes to basic interaction with regular marines or soldiers being described as awkward and strange due to a lack of teaching basic human conversation/communication (that was non-military related).
@@thehtehteotheithe Entirely wrong. While Spartiate women did have it better in some degrees then other Greek women at the time, they where locked away from political power, and their purpose was to have as many children as possible.
The actual reason why Sparta had such a problem maintaining its population was because it was relativly easy to loose your Citizenship, by failing to uphold your social, economic or political duties, while becoming a citizen was essentially impossible. So with every generation more and more Spartan families dropped out of the system and became second class citizens(who had it still much better then the 90% of helots).
15:08
Based John Forge
If John Forge Survived the War and was still in good enough Condition, That man would've been the peak of S-IVs
He was an Orion
@@chaosspartan4417 Actually it's likely that he was a Sparta 1.1 since I read somewhere that his father was a member of the ORION program.
@@KhrZygarde okay cool
Being able to take out not just any elite but the ARBITER himself with no armor, etc he most definitely would've been the peak of the 4s
Emil was a Night Lord.
That's what he did to them.
From what I could tell, most of the Orion soldiers got extremely rare or aggressive forms of cancer. Like sergeant Johnson had something affecting his nervous system
Pretty sure that's why the flood just couldn't affect him
@@The-Great-PenguinThey can, its just so much harder that infection forms will actively ignore him in favor of literally any other capable form of biomass.
@@WarCriminal2002this is why I think his flood vs tyranid opinion is way too skewd towards the flood, if ONI could accidentally create flood resistance, the Nids could easily do it too
@@BenadrylNumbercrunch Unless the 'nids can just straight up remove the need for biomass, flood wins every time. The moment the Flood conquer a single planet its GG's, because now they can literally infect the fabric of reality, open remote slipspace portals on a whim and exhude a sort of beacon that creates unease in all living entities within an unknown radius.
The best outcome for the 'nids, a purely biological combatant, is a stalemate. The Forerunners only won because they are one of the most OP factions in all of sci fi. Imagine the old ones, but with real wartime capabilities and the confirmed ability to manipulate other universes as a powersource (Vacuum Energy, they create and they abort universes as a power source)
@@BenadrylNumbercrunch Besides, Johnsons 'resistance' isnt resistance. Its just that feral stage infection forms will avoid wasting energy when much easier prey is nearby. The original plan in First Strike was clearly resistance, but that has been long since retconned. If the Forerunners couldnt figure out a cure in their millenia long war, the 'nids aint got a chance.
29:12 "Dying is gay" JUN. but in all seriousness R.I.P. for my man Jorge
Everyone in Reach dies a tragic death.
Then there's Jun. Jun just peaced out.
The final level in Halo Reach cemented their status as ultimate badasses
Whenever I think about saying Supersoldiers are overrated I think about being a 7-9ft mountain of armor and muscle swinging a dude around like Kong did with Suko in GxK and just go silent.
Super soldiers will never be overrated. Overdone perhaps, but never overrated. The concept pulls at the most fundamental male fantasy. That being the most jacked being in existence and an ultimate badass. Doesn’t matter which age of mankind you choose, every man at some point has desired to be the toughest man on earth. The super soldier is the latest evolution of the mythic warrior ideal.
I seem to recall in one of the early novels around when 3 came out, after the vehicle was disabled one of the 2s used a ruggedized military quad bike as an improvised heavy melee weapon.
The boxing match where John killed/crippled those ODST vets lasted around 5 seconds if Hunt the Truth is to be believed.
Been binging halo content for the past couple months and was kinda burnt out on it but my algorithm showed me this immediately and I gotta say. This is my favorite halo video. Wouldn't mind if you made like 90 more
Listen to this comment. More halo please
Listen to this comment. More halo please
F for Jorge. Remember Reach and avenge it.
Two additional facts about the Spartan 1s for anyone interested:
First, Sgt. Johnson was completely immune to the flood infection. This was how he survived Halo 1. It should be noted that this was unique to him, no other Spartan 1 was immune and Dr. Halsey didn't think it was possible to recreate it.
Second, Sgt. Forge was hinted to be a Spartan 1.1 as his father or grandfather suffered from Boren's Syndrome. This is why he can survive a brawl with a Spartan 2, and kill the Arbiter in melee combat. Granted Jerome was certainly pulling his punches, and he only beat the Arbiter by tricking him. But I say the only thing more dangerous than a smart man, is a smart AND tough man.
Correction, Johnson was resistant, not immune. Important difference.
Resistant, not immune. Given enough time he could be infected. But due to the resistance he was able to yank the infection form off of him that tried, and after that the flood just went "screw it" and tried to kill him outright instead
NOTHING is immune to the Flood. Merely more resistant.
Reason johnson was not infected is that the ORION project messed the hell out of his nervous system, so the infection forms had a hell of a time trying to even get to it.
Halsey: My children are the next stage of human evolution!
Miranda, John 117, Cortana (Crippled Spartans): … Are you serious.
(Spartans were lucky they didn’t have to actually deal with insurrectionist. Imagine how messed up they would have been after dealing with that. Fighting covenant to save humanity was probably best thing for their mental health through out their lives.)
I mean from a physical aspect she's not wrong. They found ancient Humanity Armor and it worked almost naturally with the 2's while the 4's had to have the ancient armor modified to work with them. Sooooo. I wouldn't be surprised if the Ancinet humans who fought the Flood were all like Spartan 2's.
@@crazyscotsman9327dude what are you talking about? No ancient human technology survived and no Spartan generation got ancient armor
Alot of the earlier Spartans were deployed against insurrectionists, pretty sure there's a book that has a normal ODST describe the aftermath of one being dropped into an innie base. The Spartans didn't come any worse the wear out of it, the 2's were so robotic no amount of gore would really do anything to them.
@@cookiecraze1310 he's talking about a life long battle against humans. We see the way the war has impacted Spartan IIs and IIIs through master chief and others like Lucy. They tense up and have an instant impulse to kill. Chief literally put a gun to Arbiters head at first sight. So if Spartans lived their lives killing humans, who knows how that would've effected their brainwashed unnatural minds.
@@crazyscotsman9327 While true, though the ancient humanity might have had the tech to make spartans or to make the armour work, evolution is about the fittest not strongest. The galactic environment was different back then, so required different adaptations. In fact since humanity was annihilated at the time they were an evolutionary failure. I would in fact argue (to Halsey not you) that Spartan one are the next stage in human evolution since the rest aren’t immune to flood, but sergeant Johnson is.
You're so right about first impressions. They stumbled so hard on the intro of S4's...
Fantastic video of course! I'm very happy with how your a Fellow halo fan. It's right and proper
i love the Spartans more than the space marines, especially given how easier it is to make Spartans than space marines, and how human the Spartans can be as well
I have a great pity for the spartans , simply because Like master chief They really are made for one purpose And when the purpose is over they have no meaning anymore Which has got me thinking?What's going to happen to master chief If he survives the ending of the series
Because He's a victim of the spartan program Perhaps they will retire him And try to give him a Is normal life But that leads to Other questions Can he live a normal life
@@djashovel Spartans are never gonna be allowed to retire. They'll either spend the rest of their lives as ONI's trigger men, get stuffed in cryo until the next big war, or be executed by more loyal Spartans if they ever think about going against ONI.
@@djashovelThe Master Chief has said that when he retires he will become a diplomat and travel the galaxy. Additionally, Spartans can reintegrate relatively well into civil society and start families (Randal and Maria)
@@addisonwelsh Except there explicitly is a SPARTAN II that retired, or at least went into a more civillian role.
If I remember correctly, she actually was the test pilot for the Mk6 Mjolnir Chief wore from Halo 2 onwards
I actually dislike when spartans are "human", a Spartan's greatest weapon is the mindset, the unrelenting uncaring determination of six and the "how can i win" mentality of chief regardless of odds are what made spartans spartans...
The whole "human" thing was just an excuse to make them jarheads with power armor when it came to spartan 4s.
Also space marines are 200% humans mentally that's literally the reason for most if not all of their problems and the same goes for primarchs, custodes are inhuman like spartans.
Fulgrim is literally a fuck up trust fund kid who just so happens to be a giant snake.
Dorn is legitimately just autistic.
Guilliman is the only primarch with a shred of inhumanity in the way his mind works, everyone else is just a very very capable human being.
Malcador was more inhuman than all the primarchs combined.
The ultimate gamers. Yelling so many colorful words at eachother in the greatest training sim ever "Xbox live"
15:05 Well, i mean, forge wasn't _exactly_ a normal human either. Remember the children of the soldiers of the Orion Project you mentioned? The ones who were physically superior to normal humans, even if it wasn't massive difference? Forge was one of them.
Where does it say that in the lore? I never knew that lol
It says his father has the same 'syndrome' which tey explained Jhonson surviving the flood because of in Halo CE. This was later retconned to be a coverup of project orion.
Honestly Spartans are my favorite super soldier type, but more because they were so special. The II's were in the god damn single digits near the end of the war. Marines often say "When i asked for reinforcements, i didn't think they would send a Spartan" and other variations of that.
As a halo fan, you got balls to piss off your entire community
You just earned a sub
Something I also wanted to add was that the first time Thel (The Arbiter) met a Spartan it genuinely TERRIFIED him. He thought he was fighting a walking corpse.
The most sci-fi part of the Spartan Project is the government being actually competent and producing something useful.
Buck was right with the comparison of SPARTAN gens, but that gets bad real quick once Infinity canonized that the majority of 4s are either dead or missing
The demigods got folded and the UNSC had to scramble back the few remaining 2s and 3s to help, it's like sending the WW2 vets to Vietnam cuz your regular troopers got turned into fertilizer
Say sike rn, god damn did that game make things worse 😭
4s might have the benefit of technological advancements and not having high death rate but a soldier with augments and fancy armor doesnt beat something cultivated since childhood to be a killing machine
Emile making a funny hat and coat from the insurrectionists: What do you mean I need to sit out the next mission?
"White man has been here."
"How can you tell?"
"Video essay."
Gonna use every chance I get to decry Karen Traviss' recons to Halsey and the Spartan program.
There ain't no way Halsey did the entire flash clone thing behind ONI's back. It's ONI. You don't do ANYTHING behind their backs. Two, how would she even manage that without ONI? And three nothing about the flash clones as a cover up is outside of their modus operandi. These are the same chuckleforks who:
- Nuked Civilians
- Tried to WEAPONIZE THE EFFING FLOOD
- Covered up most of the Human Covenant war
- Found a marble sized slipspace bubble and pulled a whole Dyson Sphere out of it
- Took it over said Dyson Sphere and founded Space Gitmo
- Used a reporter to gaslight everyone into thinking the Master Cheif's real history was fake
- Threw the reporter they used to do it into space gitmo and drove him insane
- Tried to repeatedly destabilized genocide the Elites AFTER the war
- One of those attempts involved selling guns to Space Bin Laden
- Knew about ancient humanity long before anyone else
And Travis expects me to believe a civilian contractor organized a whole cloning op just under their noses, and they would have objected to such a cover up.
I'd also like to remind everyone than prior to the Kilo-Five character assassination Parangoski resented her for having too much of a moral compass compared to the rest of ONI and did everything to keep the S3s covered up from her because of it, which says a lot about ONI. Need I remind everyone the Spartan III program was the S2 program again but with more kids but now clad in stealth-coated paper mache and sent on suicide missions by the hundreds. Also later on they added intentional berseker drugs into the mix, that had to be suppresed with medication for the rest of the life otherwise they would psychologically degenerate into rabid animals within days. But this is supposed to be more ethical and no way as evil as what Halsey did because they get "Consent" from 5 year old traumatized orphans.
Remember how Halsey was adamant about not lying to the Spartans or brainwashing them out of fear that the Paramount Halo TV show would exist and out of whatever genuine human decency she could spare knowing how horrible the situation was regardless? Karen Traviss sure doesn't remember. Remember how ONI already had the Spartan 2 program planned out and Halsey stayed on partly out of fear of how much crueler it may have been without her? Nah let's throw that in the trash and come up with her being a eugenicist out of nowhere, and she was the sole mastermind and somehow tricked all of bloody Space INGSOC into doing what she wanted.
Granny knows what she did was awful and loathes it. Y'all need to give her a break and get on the rest of ONI's case. Especially Parangoski's self-righteous butt.
she thought she was making Halo Mandalorian and shit
I liked Karen when she did the Republic Commando books, but that writer has a Capital P Problem with people that are supposed to be Paragons or at least close to them. In the RC books she did everything she could to rip into the Jedi and make one of them disillussioned with the order enough to join the mercenaries with found family problems. Was she wrong? Not really, the Jedi being 'ok' with their slave army was sketch but it was also what happened and they couldn't throw away their tool they needed while the war was happening. Giving her any kind of control over the Halo series, and NOT have someone on hand to slap down the changes to Halsey? Bad idea.
Halo fans: Ha, the UNSC is so much better than the Imperium.
Halo lore: *See original post*
Thank you, I get sick of all the Halsey hate too. In the Bungie era she was always portrayed at a tragic hero of sorts. The right woman in the wrong place at the wrong time sort of deal. It was Ackerson who was the villian, who didn't care about the lives the Spartans and had no moral compass to speak of. The Spartan IIs revered Halsey and viewed her as a surrogate mother of sorts. That really tells the reader everything they need to know about the kind of person she is.
@@addisonwelsh
To be fair the UNSC is still better than The Imperium, even with all the fucked up shit ONI does. For all their evil the government of Halo is clearly descended from The Enlightenment and its origins are in the Liberal Democracies of the 20th century. As such there is value placed on things like objective truth, human rights and individual liberty/responsibility. If you notice ONI actually feels the NEED to hide what it does from the public eye which means that the public at large would consider ONI’s actions morally reprehensible and would seek restitution for their crimes.
The Imperium is a Frankenstein’s Monster of a civilization that takes basically all of the most brutal beliefs of human history and chucks them in a blender. It has no regard for anything other than mere survival and it believes only what is necessary to keep its people compliant. The Inquisition feels no need to hide its deeds from the public for fear of moral repercussions, in fact they show their atrocities openly like the Kings of ancient Babylon or Assyria. There’s no pretenses in the Imperium for things like justice or truth. For in the grim darkness of the far future peace has been forgotten, truth has no meaning, understanding is anathema and there remains only the eternal war against the dying of the light. Abandon all hope to ye who enter the 41st Millennium.
11:11 This feels like the dumbest retcon in the entire series. How in the hell was the Queen Spook of ONI--who is described as having her hands in every piece of dirty business in the UNSC--somehow unaware that an important ONI program (carried out by ONI agents) involved replacing the Spartan candidates with clones until after the fact?
Also, two things worth mentioning about the S3s. We got a good chance to compare the baseline abilities of the 2s and 3s in Ghosts of Onyx when Kurt chose to use SPI armor instead of his MJOLNIR in an act of solidarity with the 3s. The book also shows the extremes the Gamma company's secret augments allowed them operate under when after combat one dropped de ad seemingly unaware he had been grievously wounded in the fight.
I always considered Spartans to be more equivalent to Kasrkin (or Tempestous Scions) but with better armor and augmentations.
I'd say they are closer to the sisters of battle than the kasrkin
IV's are kinda, but II's and III's are on a whole other level. Add on mjonir and they are the new gods of death.
Also Spartans are spec ops while space marines are standard infantry, so they fulfill very different missions.
S2s especially in later gens of armour have lifting strength closer to custodes level, and in the most recent model, straight up at/slightly above into the three digits tonnes not at full effort when wounded to the bone on one leg.
Their proportions compared to astartes makes a lot of people assume they must be dex builds/drastically weaker.
Edit: i feel i should clarify given some others in the community.
Yes i still like astartes and custodes this isn't to rag on them. Also i am talking unnamed marines because 40k runs entirely on plot armour for its scaling so yes you can absolutely debunk what i said by taking pov characters : P
Second edit: ok this is driving me nuts i made two long ass responses to comments in the chain and they arent showing up after hitting post so i'll add it here in todr form:
Spartans age 12 outrunning aimbot from mech autocannons and punching them down, in a flat field hundreds of metres wide with no cover and the mechs in the centre, no armour, no weapons, still coping with body recovering from augments and being not fully grown. Neophytes are NOT pulling it off, grown fully equipped marines could with variables on the loss count.
Space marines having plot armour has become such a meme that we looped back around to calling out people calling it out, but it doesnt mean the plot armour isnt strong as adamantite. Halo still has plot armour, as most stories do, but is immensely more consistent.
I had to trim that shit down i aint rewritting thel fully screw that.
Third goddamn edit: i am actually losing my goddamn mind with youtube deleting my f***ing answers. Here's to spartans in gen 3 and why brutes are much more of a problem most people realise because gameplay balance makes them jokes by comparison:
chief lifted a block of granite the size of a warthog
Flipping scorpions is canon
Strong brutes have been quoted as being able to rip a hunter in two if they get in range since halo 2 (tartarus did it and he wasnt THAT big an outlier stat wise aside from the funky stuff the fist of rukt did)
Brutes live on the harshest world when it comes to gravity of the halo races, they're not simply tall, they are absurdly dense, a naked brute WILL take a mag dump from an MA5B point blank and still have enough juice left to rip you apart. Mind you UNSC ballistics despite using the same calibres as modern weapons for dimensions have considerably higher yields (people more educated than me did the calcs such as installation 00 and i think marcus vence? I may hvae fucked up the name, cant look up on youtube while typing the comment. Both the material science, propellant, and chamber pressure put them much higher than the modern equivalents)
Hunters depending on the exact form and armour designation are in the 5 tonnes area with their main armour being at tank level (our tanks, not theirs, to be clear, covenant nanolaminite is pretty strong given it shits on unsc titanium a) and have the strength to bring mid sized vehicles to a full stop with an arm swing and ruin them in the process. I cant do the maths on hand for what bringing a fully loaded hog to a stop by punching it with no ill effect to the hunter consists of in strength and resilience but yeah brutes have been compared to these fuckers lorewise.
Brutes function like smarter faster angrier ogryns more than an ork but have similar pitfalls where if you're in their ballpark even with a disadvantage if you keep to range you have a good chance but letting them in cqc with no prior experience dealing with them or opponents considerably stronger than you is a death sentence even to spartans to some extent.
As for s2s in gen 3 getting bodied by brutes
That happened exactly once in mainline content and under pretty specific circumstances:
Chief vs atriox
It isnt an even fight from the get go as atriox both has a free hit by being a lil bitch (never fights spartans head on without ambush...ok admittedly more smart than anything) and has a much higher grade weapon than chief who only has a sidearm.
Atriox's gravity mace at absolute worst should compare to a regular grvaity hammer (logically would be higher but i will keep it at that level)
Gravity hammers have similar effects as hunter punches except with AOE and debilitating/concussive effects (if something is enough of a brick to survive a strike)
The fact that chief was still standing at all after a full force initiative strike from that without being mush is a testament to gen3, any other previous gen would have simply gotten mulched. (This is consistent with other gen 3 feats as its able to facetank monitor beams, something that fucked up chief in mark 6 which is technically better than gen2 armour on s2s)
Also
Atriox not only is a brute and thus gets everything i talked about
Not only has a personalised gravity mace incorporating banished upgrades and blades from silent shadows in it
He's also iirc the single most imposing brute we have seen towering over even other brutes AND
if you didnt notice
His armour is actually powered
He is amped
Frankly this goes more to show how much of an upgrade Gen3 is than anything else.
So yes
Spartans getting messed up by brutes in cqc unless they have a bunch of experience dealing with them already and ARENT ambushed is normal.
Should specify the granite lifting feat is what i alluded to with chief having a wound to the bone on one of his legs during that feat, its in a recent story, am on the highway (passenger dont worry) so honestly cant be bothered to go back check which it is but should be one of the most recent novels. The nlock of granote was calced at minimum 100+ tonnes hence my statement, that and it is roughly in line with spartans up to this point if you account the gen 3 boost and the wound + chief not being all that strong for an s2
Note: just remembered that monitor beams also vaporise elites with shields down and bissecr hunters if at full power, was most proeminently seen in the comic that starred black team iirc
@@hermeister3870 definitely have to clarify the plot armor but lol,
@@sirflapfla97 astartes armour and bolter resilience and output is MONSTRUOUSLY inconsistent to the point it allows a chapter of marines to take on a force of necrons or eldar that vastly outnumbers them if the writer feels like it, something that very simply shouldn't happen as the opponent are in their ballpark in statline or above while having weapons and armour at minimum comparable to theirs (on paper, GW likes to just like ....not do that and makes SMs tank eldar shit all the time) comparable / better training (eldar)
I'm picking those two because they're realistically the biggest offender while still being kinda eyebrow raising just from a glancing look
The most egregious case would be the tau since....like, as much as some may hate them, yes, an actual tactically competent military with gear for their basic troops that can harm marines consistently (i'm NOT saying basic tau guns can one tap marines but they have WAY better performance on ceramite than say lasguns and normal ballistic weaponry) would shitstomp the mostly medieval level shit most of 40k has.
Necrons can fall into that category too SOMETIMES but heavily depends on the leader, and the individual non named necron wont exactly be tactically competent.
Halo is both a more grounded and more consistent verse, a plasma pistol was a threat to unshielded spartans at the start of the war, it still kills a spartan with its shields down in three shots by the time of the fall of reach. Only post war sees significant upgrade in unsc plasma resilience for non shielded stuff.
There is plot armour, no popular sci fi setting and most stories involving a main character cant function without some. But its much, much, much less egregious than 40k
I dont care
How skilled your marine is
They arent lifting a necron pilon
Winning 1000 vs multiple billions on an eldar craftsworld (happened)
Destroying a lord of skulls in melee.
We have to aknowledge that those stories are written by people that either dont care or dont know about consistency and/or scaling. And at this point the issue is self perpetuating.
Edit: f u c k i forgot to mention
This
Obviously
Doesnt address warp enhancing
So librarians and chaos empowerement unaccounted for because...
Well
Magic~°*
Spartans are never killed in action. They're just... not here right now.
Yeah there just Afk.
@@j-some1067taking a sh#t
Currently respawning
Forge is heavily implied to be a 1.1 which is more or less the only reason he didnt get absolutely destroyed fighting Jerome. The author for games story say that's how she imagined him and in the original story board he was a spartan before being made a marine. In addition to his daughters nickname being Orion as a tongue in cheek joke from the writers.
Halo: Evolutions had a short story about a Spartan recruit who's surgery went horribly wrong. His muscles rapidly overgrew before his bones became indestructible. His arm became overly strong, even by Spartan standards, but it shattered the bones in his arm. Even worse, the bones became indestructible AFTER they were shattered, meaning his arm was permanently broken and no surgery could fix him.
This left him in constant pain, needing to take pain killers just to make it through the day. He was also deemed unfit to be a Spartan, and they stuck him in a desk job. Being kidnapped, put through brutal training to become a super soldier, and left in pain due to the actions of the people who kidnapped him naturally bred resentment in him. His coworker, who was secretary an insurrectionist sympathizer, noticed his resentment, and slowly started recruiting him over to his ideology over a period of months until he full-on rebelled.
1:07 Actually, someone is making a set of Mjolnir that's as good as we can get with modern technology that a civilian can access. It's obviously going to be weaker and not have shields, but it still will be a powered exoskeleton that increases strength (probably not speed though).
Installation 00's Project: MJOLNIR, if anyone's interested.
Also, Locke wasn't folded by the Chief because the GEN 2 mjolnir armor actively limits speed and strength to prevent the IV's hurting themselves. Chief was wearing GEN 2, just like Locke, so they were equal in speed and strength.
Allmind bringing the knowledge and gear to you.
S-IV are enhanced just enough to use GEN2.
S-II/III have way higher augmentations but get no let up in GEN2
Out of GEN2,S-II/III would demolish S-IV
@@huntermad5668 Absolutely.
Chief was wearing GEN 1 Mjolnir armor that cortana modified with nano machines or some other bs that the devs made up on the spot to explain the change in art direction.
@@thebigenchilada678
Well, officially the suit was upgraded to GEN2. Somehow.
Apologies for double comment, but Rubicon Protocol instilled in me the idea that the IV's can be just as legendary as their predecessors.
From a bruised Horvath lifting a Phantom (with Brutal assistance), Kovan saving an escape pod of Infinity's crewman by turning it over, Stone going out the way she did and actually bringing me to tears knowing what she did instead of just being first random Spartan corpse you find in Infinite.
They're all more than they give off.
I mean when it comes to the games, you have Fireteam Crimson, Spartan Assault (Davis my beloved), the entire room Sorels body is in, and I guess Thorne fighting as many Elites unarmed as he did in Spartan Ops without a helmet.
I really love em.
They have much wider range of genetic compatible so there could be plenty of S-4 of great quality.
The problem is their training and indoctrination...😂 Those are jokes compare to what they did to S-2/3 and it showed
Spartan 4’s suck. A handful of 2’s can literally wipe out an army but 4’s all die to a breakaway faction lmao.
@@thebigenchilada678 The Banished are just about as effective on the ground as the Covenant.
Thing is the Covenant had numbers, while the Banished use actual tactics and cunning.
Superheated plasma is still superheated plasma.
@@ryan_1099 yet it was literally numbers that made the covenant such a gargantuan threat and the sole reason so many Spartans died. The banished have no reason to be able to do what they do other than 343 needing the covenant back because everyone hated the forerunner skeleton robots.
@@thebigenchilada678 genuine military tactics and strategy, combined with plasma and other forms of exotic weaponry (Like what ever the fuck Needler needles are made of). Add on all the bells and whistles that Cov armor has? Means the Banished can be and are a threat.
Spartans TWOS* are so cool. Enhancements that don’t make me question their humanity, armour befitting a hyper tactical bipedal TANK in a setting that makes it easy to appreciate their existence despite the messy you-know-whats
Ah Spartans, big and beefy enough to be a presence on the battlefield, small enough not to completely brick your food budget.
Remember when Halo UA-cam channel posted a Happy Mother's Day image and one of the "Mother's" was Dr Halsey. Boy, did that blew up in their face.
I am genuinely surprised not see one single 40K fanboy saying some lore inaccurate nonsense about Space Marine bullets being the size of soda cans or one space marine being able to wipe out all of earth or some nonesense.
We’re not all stupid 😊
@@spiffygonzales5160 thats because their not the size of cans. They're the size of bottles (the heavy bolters, not normal ones)
Those aren't even real fans anyway they're almost always the same kind of people who thinks 40k memes are canon
@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 To be fair, there are so many memes that are regarded as canon by the fandom that it's tough to tell what is canon and what isn't.
*glares at the people who believe an Inquisitor destroying a planet because of one heretic is normal*
@@BlueTable-t6kit is unfortunate that we’re overshadowed by the ones that are idiots.
What needs to be remembered about John doing that to the ODSTs at 14 is that he wasn’t even considered the best of the Spartan 2s, at least not physically or mentally in any way. He wasn’t the strongest, he wasn’t the fastest, he wasn’t the best marksman, he wasn’t the best fighter and he wasn’t the smartest. In universe, the only thing he has going for himself is that he’s canonically lucky, and gets the job done (plus Cortana).
A 14 year old Spartan who was getting used to his new enhancements, that wasn’t even considered the top of his cohort, was able to decimate 4 fully grown, well trained ODSTs, while not trying to actually physically maim them. The deaths/injuries he caused weren’t through malicious intent or rage. They were due to him not realising how strong he truly was and how much he needed to hold back.
20:10 to be fair billions died in that explosion and the Covenant incurred significant losses from it.
"That kinda thing would only matter to hoi4 players". You definitely got us.
Forge casually fistfighting a demigod in an enclosed box is wild
24:13
I'll have you know that 50% boosts are a massive game-changer and I can quit whenever I want to even if I'm playing presently while watching this on the side
that's a 15% boost, not a 50% boost.
should i get into the game? why am I asking here and not on reddit or some place else? ehhhhhhh why not
@@veljkorajic5281 If you have an abundance of free time you don't know how to get rid of I would highly recommend it, you will either pass on it quickly or rack of thousands of hours.
The revelation that individual Spartan IIIs physical skills even equaled and even surpassed Spartan IIs is really something.
Makes me realise as well:
Noble Six is fricking terrifying.
The wildest part about Master Chief and Noble 6 is that they have the designation “Hyper Lethal” even amongst Spartans. They are just that bad ass
It's a personal fan theory of mine that Sgt. Forge was just straight up an Orion - and a damn good one.
Let the normal humans have some glory.
@@addisonwelshnormal folks get the odst, there’d be literally no actual explanation for forge outside of it just being a funny story.
IIRC Forge's father is implied to be an Orion through his diagnosis of Boren's Syndrome
At the very least Forge was the child of the Orion.
Helghast, the most drippy looking Spartans the UNSC has ever developed.😺
I just got to that part in the video too lol.
Halo was literally a gundam story without the mechs until the aliens showed up
2:37 seeing the helghast made me want killzone video from pancreasnowork.
Jerome is one of my favourite Spartans as a whole since he feels like a passion project of halo, he just has a ton of personality and he's a badass spartan II so extra points
15:18 I believe forge is also a spartan I if that wasn’t mentioned yet
Oh i just assumed they brought a WWE wrestler along. hes got the name and moves for it.
33:42 Especially the chief. Heck, get the rarest and best materials we can find, make a new alloy with them, and make a suit truly unique to that one-man army. Mans is literally so fast and powerful, I wouldn't be surprised if positions he takes go unmanned or skeleton crewed for weeks as the U.N.S.C. Logistics fail to keep up. When you need something impossible to be done, send in the chief and he'll do it in hours. O.N.I. Should put every resource they have into improving and supporting him, at least.
its a shame that halo table top game was abandoned after the company that made it closed down i would pick that over 40k any day of the week
Spartan I (Orions): The stepping stones to future super solider projects
Spartan II: The perfect soldier made for a war that never came but thrives in the one they found themselves in.
Spartan III: The most tragic of the Spartans lost there families and worlds and were made to trade lives for time.
Spartan IV: The IVs have to reach that high bar set by their predecessors. The most human of the Super Soldier Program
Didn’t expect Thunder to make a last second appearance, but I appreciate it all the same.
Glad you’re sticking with making the occasional Halo lore video, and I can’t wait to eventually see one on the Elites, or just the Arbiter.
Jun after getting sucked into space: "This shit Gay, I'm out"
Panc, your halo videos are honestly my favorite ones. I would love to see so many more of them
If you combined certain aspects of the space marines and spartans into 1 supersoldier they would be near unstoppable
What aspects?
@@burgertime6372space marine durability and size with spartan.. not sure, i dont know much about halo
@@BlueTable-t6k didnt ask
@@BlueTable-t6k Indoctrination I'd assume. The Spartan were practically machines in terms of loyalty compared to the Space Marines that still kept getting defectors every now and again.
@@pillarmenn1936”she said that to me once, about being a machine”
The 2's did get upgraded armor. Blue team is wearing Gen 2 in Halo 5, and gets upgraded to Gen 3 before Halo: Shadows of Reach so Chief is wearing it in Halo: Infinite.
Love your videos man, they're my favorite to put on while working on some 40k models!
Spartan-III's my beloved
Deserved so much more
I'll never forget playing through Halo 2 before dawn after standing in line for a midnight release. Thanks for the nostalgia boost PNW
20:06 That's Uneven Elephant to you, buster!
On a rewatch and rethink about this and why Spartan IVs get better armor than Spartan IIs or IIIs is a simple one: because the IVs require constant check-ups and adjustments to their augmentations, every time they leave the lab they are on a soft time limit before their augmentations get out of whack or even wear off, while IIs and IIIs don't have this limitation. Having your supersoldier require constant maintenance is just a way of keeping them in check or you'll get what they thought Master Chief became: a rogue demigod of war roaming up your backside. Nobody wants that. So the IV's augmentations having less kick yet having much better armor means they have a limited shelf life of maximum effectiveness before they wear down in a few months at the longest of timescales, while a II or III can just keep trucking well into their 70's and 80's and still be able to fold Unistrut with their bare hands.
15:24 Damn, i wish Mjolnir was invented in 2025
We still got time dw
Look up Installation 00's Project: MJOLNIR. It is being done, though obviously not nearly as good in any way.
Just watched this and now I'm going to play fire fight ty pancreas no work you restored my love for this game
The difference between Halo and 40K is that 40K is dramatically depressing, Halo is quietly depressing.
Unbreakable bones? Atriox would like a word with Spartan Douglas
ONI: when simple moral ambiguity is not dark enough.
You're a legend and yes, Halo 3 was magnificent and we'll never get something like that ever again.