The Vulcan that landed in New York is such a British move. They 'nuked' your cities, beat your air defence and then just landed to say hello. It's so British that I'm not suprised
The problem with the USA’s military planning: the don’t listen. In this example, the RAF trounced them so they hid the evidence and failed again because they ignored the first time. During Vietnam, British Army detachments were sent to teach the US forces how to fight in Indochina. The Brits were ignored and we all know how that turned out. During Afghanistan, time and time again the USA’s Marines ignored BOTH the Royal Marines and SAS, this result is stupid loss of life and poor tactical decisions. Britain built an Empire and has a history of war, same with France, our title as “most elite military” isn’t for no reason.
@@HardCounter and the first working design for a supersonic jet Britain gave the us the designs as the Americans couldn't work out how to stop the control freeze at supersonic speeds the Americans then went back on they're promise and the UK got nothing in return
A mate of mine was a Blanket stacker (storeman) in the RAF during the 90's and early 00's, and was sent to a few air to air wargames held not far from Las Vegas, he told me about numerous complaints the US Airfarce made about the RAF due to the Brits targeting the US Aircraft before the Americans even saw the RAF Aircraft, Something to do with a new radar system used in the RAF Tornados that the US didnt know about, till it was to late lol
Most impressive is that the defenders knew the attacks were coming. Imagine what could have been achieved in a surprise attack when many commercial flights would have been in the air.
I would loving to be a fly on the wall in the Oval Office when the leading military told the President after the second exercice, that the British did the same thing again - with the same outcome.
The scary thing is that if the RAF could do it then the Russians could have done it. I must admit that I did chuckle at the Vulcan that landed in New York, that was taking the P**s a little bit.
@@RushfanUK They brought in their first supersonic jet bomber the following year and whilst it didn't fly as high nor have the ecm of the Vulcan there would have been alot more than 8 of them.
@@494Farrell i think it took 13 victor tanker to get it there, and back, and she almost ran out of fuel on the way home, if it hadn't been for the commander of the last victor giving her some of his fuel that he needed. Very brave men.
If I remember correctly, the first thing the New York airfield knew about them was when the Vulcan asked permission to land......up till then they didn't know they were there, it was a case of "what the fcuk"....
The striking Vulcan couldn't have landed in NY. The city was nothing more than a smoking, irradiated, massive hole in the ground. They would have landed in Newfoundland
@@lordlucan3241 Quite a few "well thousands" of Cities/Towns in America are named after British name places....... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locations_in_the_United_States_with_an_English_name
@@mickg8306 Lol,I am quite aware of that without looking at some website like you did my friend. 🙄🤣🤣🤣 Why do you think I made my point in the first place?
I've been lucky enough to see the Vulcan fly a few times before it was retired in 2015. It's one of the coolest things I've ever seen. It was so loud you could actually feel the ground shaking.
I went to cosford show and the Vulcan was there what a fantastic noise it makes , also the typhoon esp when it went straight up in the air full throttle the noise was amazing missed going to air shows
Remember that the Vulcans would have been targeted at Russian Western air defences and would have got there well before the B-52's the Russians had nothing that could have stopped them and they would have laid the Soviet Union wide open to the American heavy bombers, it's a hell of a strong team to go up against when we work together.
@@paulm2467 It worked by sheer luck in that people like Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov had the foresight to step up and prevent absolute disaster during incidents that could have just as well ended differently. But in the long run, you can't beat statistics, and eventually, a mistake would have happened that wouldn't be corrected in time.
Also around that time a Royal Navy Nuclear Submarine was able to sneak through US defences up the Potomac River to Washington but can not find that now
As a Brit I'm proud of our historical military leadership skills some of the historical battles we have been in shows our skills in land, sea and air yet we deferred to America and its Generals in both World Wars which astonishes me!
So am I, but it wasn't always the case, of course! Read up on the battle of New Orleans, and Douglas Haig, in WW1! Without U.S. aid, and supplies, we probably would have gone down, in WW2, and we knew it, hence the deference!
To those who replied, I'm not saying there were times when an American General was better than a British but what I am saying is does it have to be as it seems theses days everytime, even as peacekeepers for the UN! It would be ridiculous for anyone or any country to suggest that all there generals or battles are always the best but that doesnt take away my complaint that Britain continually and consistently deferres to America when in action or in Peace! Maybe someone can give information when America or its generals defer to British? I was told once it was because America puts more money into the UN and another said they bring more men and fire power! So would be interesting to know.
@@alandillon968 I think you've basically answered your own question! The U.S.is the most prominent world power, currently, and consequently, has the biggest say, financially, and militarily! If you read up on the Suez crisis in 1956, they, in no uncertain terms, told the U.K. and France, to pull out, or lose any financial, or other aid, which defined who was boss, now! That statement was made by Dwight Eisenhower, U.S. president, and former allied commander in Europe, in WW2!
@@steve55sogood16 Yes I know that. America not backing Britain then and again in the Falkland war, 'sat on the fence' when they did decide it was only half heartedly. And we call them our closesed allies and the so called "Special Relationship" which seems to blow only one way. We do something and they imply its Imperialisums ugly head being raised (which is what they implied with Suez) and when they do it, they're saving the world or protecting capitalism and freedom.
More than anything, the exercise highlights the key role that both the US and U.K. play in each others defences - not taking one or the other for granted.
The Avro Vulcan is probably the second most beautiful and elegant military aircraft ever flown anywhere in the world. (in first place it is, of course, the gorgeous Supermarine Spitfire)
I have to disagree, my preference is Vulcan first and Spitfire second. I am lucky enough, during the summer whne I am at work, to be able to listen to a Spitfire flying over most days, and I love to hear it. But, when I lived in Leicestershire the Vulcan would fly over regularly, banking and giving it full throttle, and the noise would go straight through me, it is ashame I will never hear it for real again. But, we are lucky to have two of the best planes ever made.
Of the V bombers, three very different adjectives have often been used for their appearances. Valiant : Conventional. Vulcan :Elegant. Victor : Menacing. Though I personally do admire the Victor's 'menacing' looks the most of the three.
@@ChrisLewis-yx8kw Very true, but I specifically said military aircraft. That a weapon of war or even mass destruction be beautiful and/or elegant is one of those oxymorons of life.
In 1983 was driving my truck over Shap on the M6 and had just reached the Summit when I heard this wooshing sound, and two Vulcans, could have only been a couple of hundred feet up, passed over me and flew down into the valley, it was a wondrous site, I was blessed to see those wonderfull planes.
I was in New York about 20 years ago doing touristy stuff, sightseeing, etc when I found a display of a Harrier Jet being guarded by US Marines,, I think it was a recruitment drive for the Marines, I got talking with one of the guys, who was completely unaware that the Harrier Jet was British design, and that in Britain we were at that time I knew in the process developing Drone fighter bomber aircraft, again the Marine officer was unaware, just shows how long we have been sharing technology with our closest ally America. So Glad We do.!
It also shows how Americans are unable to admit, or even concieve, that European military technology is equal to their own and British is often better.
Not the least bit surprised that he didn't realise it was a British plane to start with. He probably didn't know that in the early days of adoption, several American pilots died or were seriously injured just trying to keep the Harrier on top of the bubble. They had to re-engineer the plane to make it 'easier to fly' for their pilots ;)
the Vulcan bomber was an amazing plane which was invited to participate in US war game simulations called RED FLAG in the Nellis ranges Nevada, where they had switched to low level flying due to Soviet Radar. the planes are reported to have flown so low on some of their sorties that one collected part of a Joshua tree in the ailerons while another flew UP into power lines. sadly the Vulcan exited service in the 1980's following the Falklands crisis but was kept flying until only a few years ago by the Vulcan to the Sky foundation. you may be interested in the book Vulcan 607 by Roland White (amazon / audible and other formats) which gives a description of some of the history plus the epic 8000 mile raid on Port Stanley in the Falklands.
Have you heard the story of the two buccaneers fllying BENEATH the Vulcan at low level in Nevada? Apparently the Vulcan was a decoy for the Buccaneers which successfully nuked their target in red flag. Again, helped the US develop better air defence skills.
I was reading a RAF magaine in the mid 80's that was commenting on the fact a British Tornado crew had just won 1st place in low level bombing. 1st place in medium level bombing, and came 2nd to a carpet bombing B52 in high level in the one competion in the States.
Saw one of the Vulcan last flights at Rhyl Airshow a few years ago, the noise and vibrations you could feel in your body when the pilot hit the throttle hard was just WOW. Hearing the noise in the video just raised the hair on my arms and memories flashing back.
It's not the first exercise, I have heard of a story from a friend in the Royal Navy. That told me there was an exercises in the early 90's between the Royal Navy and the US Navy. At the start of the Exercise the US Admiral set a message to the Royal Navy Admiral saying how does it feel to be beaten by the best Navy in the world. The US Navy in the exercise severely out classed the British in ships number of ships and and class. The Royal Navy Admiral said nothing about a half an hour into the exercise when low flying British Sea Harriers took out a carrier and the US Admirals command ship the British Royal Navy Admiral sent a message how does it feel to be beaten by the second best Navy in the world. lol.. That one was kept very quite to till it leaked in the 2000's to the Telegraph News paper lol..
They kept it secret from Americans, but it wasn't a very well kept secret here. I remember my dad telling me all about this in the late 70s (he worked at Hawker Siddeley/British Aerospace) and it was rightly a proud boast.
Yes this is true I loved the vulcan as a child and a pilot bragged to me about it as he heard me say it was my favourite at a recruitment/exhibition stand.
Because for the yanks it was an embarrassment and showed a major flaws I. Their defences. For us it was a point of pride and showed the strength of our offensive capabilities.
The military technology joint efforts between our two great nations are only ramping up now as well. I look forward to all the great stuff we can come up with together to protect ourselves, each other and the wider world ✊ 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
An interesting morbid fact about the Vulcan is that they were essentially suicide bombers. In almost all scenarios involving a Nuclear first strike, Britain was supposed to be eradicated almost totally and this thought process dictated a lot of our "Defence" strategy. It was more of a revenge strategy. Vulcans were trained to scramble in under 2 minutes of a launch confirmation. they were then expected to punch straight into the most heavily defended and populated areas of Russia and deliver their nuclear audience. They were not to return to base but instead find areas to land or fly until they ran out of fuel and bail. All scenarios had predicted all UK bases would be destroyed. It's the same reason why to this day command over our Nuclear arsenal is in the hands of those in command of our Vanguard-class ballistic missile submarines. Not the PM, not Whitehall, not the Queen. It's designed to function even when the central government is destroyed.
Like the time at a Red Flag when the US Air Force whooped at 'shooting down' a Vulcan but failed to see two Buccaneers under each wing. The trio were flying at about 200 feet.
@@1chish There was a naval exercise, and due to a freak weather patern the waves were large but wide apart. 2 buccaneers flew between 2 waves and the first the American carrier group knew of them was when they flew over the escort ships and bombed a nuclear carrier and "destroyed" it. The Americans complained all night and finally the judges changed it to damaged just so the Americans could keep boasting that no modern carrier had even been killed even in exercises.
The thing is, the ECM equipment was probably invented by two blokes in a shed, waiting fo their racing pigeons to come home. “Eh, Ted, what we going to do with this stuff?” “Dunno, Bert. Let’s give it to the RAF for their Screamin’ Angels to play with.”
the UK has always had better tech, during WW2 the pilots were told to say "we eat carrots " when asked why they were so successful at night flights and shooting down German craft - the truth was we had RADAR in the planes but it was so top secret the lie about carrots was begun.
The Avro Vulcan was used during the 1982 Falklands Conflict. In November 1981, it was decided to withdraw the Vulcan from service in June 1982. However, the Argentinean invasion of the Falkland Islands in the spring of 1982 gave the Vulcan an extended lease of life.
The funny thing about this event was the US government wanted to buy the electronic jamming system but we refused to sell it to them because they were at that time being heavily spied on by the Russians,and we did not want that tech falling into Russian hands which tended to happen with US tech. The Vulcan was never a first strike weapon it was a oh so you think you can Nuke us and get away with it weapon.
It’s wasn’t first strike. It was designed as revenge. If Britain was targeted and taken out, Vulcans could be in the air 2mins after a confirmed Nuclear launch by Russia. The Vulcans would then drive deep into Russia, targeting Leningrad/St Petersburg, Moscow and Stalingrad/Volograd.
There's a great image of a high-altitude U2 spy plane, flown by guys wearing spacesuits. The U2 was doing a super high flyover to test the resolution of its new imaging equipment at extreme altitude and break some US altitude records at the same time. The kicker? The picture was taken from 20,000ft above by the RAF Canberra looking down on it.
If 56,000 feet seems impressive for a 1950s designed aircraft, just bear in mind, an English Electric Lightning, Britain's main Cold War defence fighter, also first flown in the 1950s, once descended on a U2, in an exercise later in its career, from 88,000 feet.
@Darth Wheazius. The German jets were technically more advanced than the British (and their basic design is used today) but German metals weren’t so advanced and that prevented their engines working reliably.
@@oldman8584 Not strictly true - that argument is based on the fact that in the Meteor we went with the centrifugal flow design for simplicity and the Me262 had an Axial flow design which is the basis of modern jet engines since - therefore German jets were superior tech - however this ignores the Metrovick F2 Axial flow jet designed and made in Britain and flew as a test in 1943. (its all on Wikipedia). We stuck with the centrifugal flow as it worked reliably and was good enough to win the war. Darth Wheazius also raises a good point - the Me 262s were very unreliable and dangerous, so could you really say they were superior?
@@gediredi2 well as I understand it the German design was more advanced and is the system we use today, but the German metals were not suitable and hence the engines were unreliable.
@@oldman8584 yes, more advanced than the centrifugal one in the meteor, as it was axial flow as is used today, and centrifugal was abandoned. All I am saying is that we also had our own axial flow engine in the Metrovick F2 so we had the same technology (and better mettalurgy) but didn't use it. So the Germans didn't have better engine technology than us, but they used an engine with poor metallurgy but the same axial flow tech in a front line fighter! Phew!
The Vulcan is my favourite aircraft. This video proves that it was not just beautiful to look at and amazing to watch (I had the privilege of seeing the last flying example at an airshow before it retired), but would also have been deadly effective if ever called upon to do the task it was designed for, which fortunately it never was.
Another story that I thought was interesting was, at the time of the development of the nuclear weapons that was eventually dropped on Japan it dawned on the Americans that they didn't have a plane that could carry it, only the RAF did. The outcome was they had to redesign the B29 to be able to carry the bombs because they didn't want the RAF dropping their bombs. The RAF created a secret force and trained to it deliver the weapons, but of course they were never used.
Great video, I’m currently (well not during lockdown) working on repainting the local air museum Vulcan - not alone of course, that might take a fair while
One of the things that doesn't come across in the films is how big the Avro Vulcan was, I saw them flying as a kid and got a close look at the one in RAF Mildenhall in the mid 80s. Its wingspan is about 100ft and the undercarriage is massive.
The moral: don't mess with the British 😂 We like to do things differently and tend not to follow the crowd, and it often gets us a lot of flack, but let's be honest, we stand out for a reason and have a pretty amazing track record.
I think the brittish have a very good strategic mind to war, but so do the USA, we are form the same branch. We don't have the money nor tech now, the USA do. And so its good we are friends. Russia also have excellent war strategy too, and they have the tech.
@@markmorris7123 the reason we know how to fight is, we were built on war, the first 100 or so yrs we became countries we were attacked by the romans, vikings, Spanish, french, the Vikings again and the Vikings... a third time and more we've had more wars than most countries combined, it's a shame the way people see the UK
I knew a retired RAF officer who was seconded to SAC HQ at Omaha, Nebraska - these exercises were well pre-planned etc. Selected top brass in the USAF would be aware.
Loved the Vulcan, you felt it, then the all enveloping sound. Sad no Avro Vulcan now flying. Frank Whittle invented the jet engine, pub named after him in Lutterworth, Leicestershire. Robert Watson Watt designed our radar systems, during WW2
Not really true about Watson-Watt. Several countries knew about the effect of radio waves bouncing around. (After the war planes flying overhead wrecked the picture quality of TV screens.) The unique contribution to radar was when the cavity magnetron was invented. Very short wavelength and much smaller equipment. It meant radar could be carried by aircraft and for a long time the Germans couldn’t understand how their submarines were detected (and often sunk) in pitch darkness and their radar detection equipment detecting nothing. The technology was given to the Americans free and for nothing. Weirdly that cavity magnetron-thing is the basis of microwave cookers today.
@@oldman8584 went to Neatishead museum, they have a magnetron, from WW2 and a present day one, amazing, live near, a slave station of Neatishead, still in use, although Neatishead closed. Believe Germans used theirs differently. Flew along lines, not for detection. Mundesley has road names, after Watson Watt. Norfolk, of course. Yes regarding TV, they dropped the screen on the radar, station, wrecked cars computer systems, driving by. Stopped its operating, TV not good. Back to normal after everything put back, operational .
@@catherinewilkins2760 Germany did use radar very effectively for aircraft and ship detection very early in the war, but the sets and aerials were ground based and too heavy to be carried in aircraft. They did eventually develop their own air intercept radar and improved it all the time. By early 1944 Luftwaffe radar-equipped night fighters were winning the night air war by shooting down 10% or more of all RAF heavy bomber raids on Germany. Fortunately one of the Luftwaffe's most advanced night fighters defected and landed in Britain, giving up all its secrets, and the RAF was able to introduce counter measures. The electronics that German aircraft used in 1940 to 'fly along lines' were radio signals for navigation, not radar, and something Britain only caught up with in 1942. 'wrecked cars computer systems' ?? Cars did not have computers until very recently
I lived near a Vulcan base here in the UK when they were operational and they occasionally flew over my house the noise had to be heard to be believed and that was just cruising when they went into a climb the entire area physically shook, absolutely beautiful to watch
A Vulcan over flew my house on it's way to Wellesbourne, where it is today and has be restored and maintained in flying condition There in one of the beasts at my local air museum (Baginton), it is a true marvel!
The stories of the RAFs first visit to red flag with Buccaneers and a Vulcan are legendary, one of the Buccaneer pilots at the briefing before the start asked what the minimum altitude was and was told no minimums, they were flying so low that to turn they needed to climb
Another one to check out from Marks channel would be, when an English Electric Lightning, intercepted a U2 and then continued to climb ABOVE the U2 to 80,000 feet! The same Lightning also intercepted Concorde!
I remember reading about that exercise. British Aerospace offered a Concorde as a hare to all comers to see if they could catch it There were quite a few contenders but the Lightning was the only one to succeed.
Linked to this are the Red Flag exercises where our RAF Buccaneer aircraft caused much embarrassment on more than one occasion to the US Air Force. Good job the vast majority of us like and respect the USA friendship and brothers in arms. 🇬🇧🇺🇲 PS Mark Felton videos are brilliant.
Excellent content, if you're interested in more on the Vulcan ( My Gramps favourite aircraft ) you may be interested in the story of the bombing raid on the Falklands. Operation Black Buck, the specifics leading up to it are from the Book Vulcan 607. It's a story of an example of a million to one chance actually panning out! I think it would be worthy of your consideration...
1 thing about the Vulcan, while a fantastic aircraft, only the pilots had ejector seats the other 3 people on board had to get to the door and jump out in an emergency.
You might like to check out when an English electric lighting interception at over 80 thousand feet of a US spy plane and catching and overtaking concorde Lighting vs u2 and concord Mark Felton production
An ecellent video as usual. Another Vulcan based video worth commenting on is the bombing run from the UK to the Falklands to deny the Argentina use of the airfield. It had to refuel mid air multiple times on route. It was a huge distance to bomb, at a time when modern long distance missiles were not available.
I was just thinking I wonder if the USA have ever done a simulated attack on our defences, and if not why not, I've never seen or read anything about that, maybe they've kept it secret.
@@thewalrus6833 1/ Not necessary! :-) It is not uncommon for the RAF to escort actual 'lost' Russian aircraft out of our airspace. Or maybe they were trying to defect? 2/ In the era of these exercises a four minute warning would see the English Electric Lightnings scrambled and reach 36,000 ft (11,000 m) in under three minutes. Maybe the Americans should have purchased a few hundred Lightnings to defend their borders?
I had the pleasure of attending a airshow a few years ago where the Vulcan flew over the crowd, it is such a beautiful aeroplane and the noise it makes is awesome.
Original KK: The Vulcan prototype (1/3rd size) first flew in 1949. It is now in the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester, England. www.ipernity.com/doc/301415/39006614//in/album/806326
@@chrismalloy7688 yep, and the UK has fought and won more wars than any other nation. France isn’t far off in second, but their hite flag is always at hand...
There was a similar " smoke and mirrors" hushed up news story back about 20 years ago ( i think ) when the Farnborough International Airshow was due to recieve the first ever visit to a airshow from the American B2 Stealth bomber. The exact time of arrival and direction was kept secret for security reasons. The new British military Rapier anti-aircraft missile system was also on a trade stand at the show ( its also a big arms fair ) and apparently had located and tracked the B2 from about 20 miles out from the airshow and then when it left, which was not supposed to be possible. The offical comment was that as it was not an operational deployment, the B2 was not in full "stealth mode".........
I was fishing in the late 70s and a vulcan took off from Lincoln. I was directly in its flight path. The ground shook, my seet box went into the water and I lay on my back with my hands over my ears TERRIFIED!.
You should watch some of the guide films the US military made to help soldiers when they were being based in Britain in ww2, or some more videos by Mark Felton because he has some cool content
I watched one of those guide films, it really illustrates how deeply (GI’s separated by colour in the services and more widely in the community) divided the US was at that time in regard to race.
There were always vulcan bombers in the sky when i was a kid growing up in Scotland in the 70's, and you knew what they were carrying right over your head. The roar from the vulcan is one of the most amazing and frightening sounds you will ever hear. They used to shake the houses as they flew over. some say the vulcan was a thing of beauty. IT WAS, IT WAS THE ANGEL OF DEATH!
Getting beaten once .... fair call, that happens in warfare. Getting beaten a second time, THE SAME WAY, shows that none of the 'experts' learned a damn thing from the first time.
Thank you for the interesting reaction. You understood that the US govt did not learn & address the issues. Many other reactors do not pick up on that important fact. 👍
You notice in the Skyshield the ratio was about 0.97:1 in favour of attacking aircraft but in sky shield 2 the ratio was 10:1 in favour of defensive planes and still 7 out 8 got though
I have been privileged to witness so many breathtaking advances in technology during my life, my chief regret is that I won't get another few hundred years to see what comes next. Imagine! This is truly an age when almost everything seems possible, if not feasible. I recently bought a 3D printer... what an adventure!
To be fair the vulcans were very advanced for their time, they had a lower radar cross section than all other bombers of the era thanks to the shape (its "almost" a flying wing) with amazing ecm for the era. The radars of the time not being as sophisticated as they are now meant they were incredibly hard to detect with enough warning to scramble fighters to intercept before they reached their targets. I'm actually curious to know if ti's experience is what made the us look into actual flying wings which lead to the b2
These exercises are really useful - you want your allies to pull a fast one and sneak in, so that our enemies can't. Better a bruised ego, than a smoking crater where something important used to be.
Here's a good one for you. There was also Skyshield III and IV... in which the USA refused to invite Britain (Skyshield IV never did happen, but Britain wasn't invited to the smaller events that happened after it either)
I can understand the cone of silence response. There would have been panic in the streets if the American public learner what could have happened. Never underestimate you enemy- or you allies, for that matter.
The Vulcan that landed in New York is such a British move. They 'nuked' your cities, beat your air defence and then just landed to say hello. It's so British that I'm not suprised
"Vulcan 1 to Tower. Put the kettle on, milk and two sugars please."
I expect they just popped in for some nice pastrami sandwiches and to take in a show...
What do u mean
Probably only landed to apologize.
@@The-Underbaker 😂😂😂
Be warned us Brits can be sneaky bastards when it comes to war 😂😂😂
WOOOF! :)
@Gazza Boo Quite splendid old chap.
08:47 choking on freedom being compromised ;)
@Gazza Boo tea, tiffin and medals then off down to the pub
The problem with the USA’s military planning: the don’t listen.
In this example, the RAF trounced them so they hid the evidence and failed again because they ignored the first time.
During Vietnam, British Army detachments were sent to teach the US forces how to fight in Indochina. The Brits were ignored and we all know how that turned out.
During Afghanistan, time and time again the USA’s Marines ignored BOTH the Royal Marines and SAS, this result is stupid loss of life and poor tactical decisions.
Britain built an Empire and has a history of war, same with France, our title as “most elite military” isn’t for no reason.
Let's not forget that it was Britain who gave the US radar during WW2. Britain was far advanced in their technology than the US back then.
It was also Britain that gave the US a nuclear weapons program.
@@jolan_tru Just about to say that xD The US promised to give the research back and help fund British nukes, but they fell back on that promise.
@@HardCounter and the first working design for a supersonic jet Britain gave the us the designs as the Americans couldn't work out how to stop the control freeze at supersonic speeds the Americans then went back on they're promise and the UK got nothing in return
Britain has consistently given away technology, stupid or what ?
@@davidbrown9093 yup although the non military use stuff I agree with sharing
A mate of mine was a Blanket stacker (storeman) in the RAF during the 90's and early 00's, and was sent to a few air to air wargames held not far from Las Vegas, he told me about numerous complaints the US Airfarce made about the RAF due to the Brits targeting the US Aircraft before the Americans even saw the RAF Aircraft, Something to do with a new radar system used in the RAF Tornados that the US didnt know about, till it was to late lol
You cant call them "Blanket Stackers" any more. They are now "Duvet technicians"
@@thomasfromswindon7609 LOL
@@justinsmith6296 I think he means Hotel Technicians!
Your Buccaneers are flying too low.. They need to fly higher so we can target them..
As if ANY enemy is going to give up their set of tricks before attacking.....
Most impressive is that the defenders knew the attacks were coming.
Imagine what could have been achieved in a surprise attack when many commercial flights would have been in the air.
I would loving to be a fly on the wall in the Oval Office when the leading military told the President after the second exercice, that the British did the same thing again - with the same outcome.
I suspect that's where Steve Balmer got the "chair throwing" idea from ?
NORAD would be a better place as a fly on the wall
UK: We nuked you twice.
USA: We must never speak of this again.
UK: Also we burned the Whitehouse down. Again. Sorry about that, we ran out of tea.
We dont always get it right. I think in 2002 the Royal Navy was training in Gibraltar and accidentally invaded Spain.
Old habits die hard I guess...
@@Scylla2112 We did actually nuke Australia for real. They deserve it though, bunch of convicts.
@@disposabull Was that part of their Emu war? Or were we just trying to help them with their spiders?
The scary thing is that if the RAF could do it then the Russians could have done it. I must admit that I did chuckle at the Vulcan that landed in New York, that was taking the P**s a little bit.
that was the plan if they got there they were to land
And shows how effective the British V force would have been against the Russians
Yeah deffo it is something we would do lmao
The Russians didn't have either the aircraft or the jamming technology equivalent to the Vulcan.
@@RushfanUK They brought in their first supersonic jet bomber the following year and whilst it didn't fly as high nor have the ecm of the Vulcan there would have been alot more than 8 of them.
The Vulcan is a beautiful plane. One of these bombed the Falklands when the Argentinians invaded.
The impressive thing was that it flew non stop from the UK to make the attack.
(Edit: was wrong, from ascension, not the uk.
@@494Farrell no it didn’t it flew from the ascension islands
@@494Farrell i think it took 13 victor tanker to get it there, and back, and she almost ran out of fuel on the way home, if it hadn't been for the commander of the last victor giving her some of his fuel that he needed. Very brave men.
It also has the same jet engines as Concorde
@@galaxycoder not quite the same, earlier less powerful with no reheat
The worst part is that America knew they where coming
Imagine what the brits would do if they didn’t know they was coming
@@SteveTidz yeah
@@teddyroosevelt2838 the brits have had more wars then most country’s combined lol
@@SteveTidz France holds that title by a large margin
@@cptjohnbhewler1529 lol we’ve beaten the french many times
America might be big and powerful but you can’t beat brains,experience and skills
just a lowkey diss at the americans hehe
I would be more worried about the Chinese nowadays!
@@josephcassidy2603 Would you rather he just came out and said “ Yanks are thick as fuck”?
Never underestimate the little guy
@@lordlucan3241 considering the only enemy china has is the usa i would be as they know everyone will rally behind china
We're only a little country ,but we're a amazing country,🇬🇧
Well we are small Union of 4 Countries, but we are not a small single country.
Didn’t know Britain was a country but sure lol
The fact that they landed in New York is the real slap in the face.
If I remember correctly, the first thing the New York airfield knew about them was when the Vulcan asked permission to land......up till then they didn't know they were there, it was a case of "what the fcuk"....
The striking Vulcan couldn't have landed in NY. The city was nothing more than a smoking, irradiated, massive hole in the ground. They would have landed in Newfoundland
Lol,to be fair New York was owned by the Brits a long time ago and that is why it has its name after York,the English city.
@@lordlucan3241 Quite a few "well thousands" of Cities/Towns in America are named after British name places....... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locations_in_the_United_States_with_an_English_name
@@mickg8306 Lol,I am quite aware of that without looking at some website like you did my friend. 🙄🤣🤣🤣
Why do you think I made my point in the first place?
I've been lucky enough to see the Vulcan fly a few times before it was retired in 2015. It's one of the coolest things I've ever seen. It was so loud you could actually feel the ground shaking.
The "Vulcan Howl" was truly an Ear-gasm
I’ve been inside a Vulcan before, not whilst flying obviously
I went to cosford show and the Vulcan was there what a fantastic noise it makes , also the typhoon esp when it went straight up in the air full throttle the noise was amazing missed going to air shows
We saw it do a final fly over that year and it was incredibly emotional ... and loud
Yeah, I had one flew over me it was amazing to say the very least.
Remember that the Vulcans would have been targeted at Russian Western air defences and would have got there well before the B-52's the Russians had nothing that could have stopped them and they would have laid the Soviet Union wide open to the American heavy bombers, it's a hell of a strong team to go up against when we work together.
shame about all the missiles and bombers coming the other way then aswell
@@Inucroft that was the point, mutually assured destruction, it wasn't nice to live through but it worked.
@@paulm2467
It worked by sheer luck in that people like Vasili Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov had the foresight to step up and prevent absolute disaster during incidents that could have just as well ended differently. But in the long run, you can't beat statistics, and eventually, a mistake would have happened that wouldn't be corrected in time.
@@ohauss true, it would have eventually run headlong into Murphy's law and we'd all have died.
Also around that time a Royal Navy Nuclear Submarine was able to sneak through US defences up the Potomac River to Washington but can not find that now
Bloody Nora. For the greatest country to ever live the USA is very safe is it?!?
As a Brit I'm proud of our historical military leadership skills some of the historical battles we have been in shows our skills in land, sea and air yet we deferred to America and its Generals in both World Wars which astonishes me!
How do you explain Bernard Montgomery?
So am I, but it wasn't always the case, of course! Read up on the battle of New Orleans, and Douglas Haig, in WW1! Without U.S. aid, and supplies, we probably would have gone down, in WW2, and we knew it, hence the deference!
To those who replied, I'm not saying there were times when an American General was better than a British but what I am saying is does it have to be as it seems theses days everytime, even as peacekeepers for the UN! It would be ridiculous for anyone or any country to suggest that all there generals or battles are always the best but that doesnt take away my complaint that Britain continually and consistently deferres to America when in action or in Peace! Maybe someone can give information when America or its generals defer to British? I was told once it was because America puts more money into the UN and another said they bring more men and fire power! So would be interesting to know.
@@alandillon968 I think you've basically answered your own question! The U.S.is the most prominent world power, currently, and consequently, has the biggest say, financially, and militarily! If you read up on the Suez crisis in 1956, they, in no uncertain terms, told the U.K. and France, to pull out, or lose any financial, or other aid, which defined who was boss, now! That statement was made by Dwight Eisenhower, U.S. president, and former allied commander in Europe, in WW2!
@@steve55sogood16 Yes I know that. America not backing Britain then and again in the Falkland war, 'sat on the fence' when they did decide it was only half heartedly. And we call them our closesed allies and the so called "Special Relationship" which seems to blow only one way. We do something and they imply its Imperialisums ugly head being raised (which is what they implied with Suez) and when they do it, they're saving the world or protecting capitalism and freedom.
So the planes came from the same place the second time around and STILL managed to get through!
Yes... You sometimes have to explain things to Americans twice before they get it ;-)
More than anything, the exercise highlights the key role that both the US and U.K. play in each others defences - not taking one or the other for granted.
The US brings the firepower. But the UK knows how to use it 👍
@@KissMyFatAxe more so, it’s nice to counter balance against other allies ^
@@TheKFMProductions against other allies?
@@connoroneill9406 improving relative defence infrastructure by creating markets through war games etc
@@connoroneill9406 as opposed to arms races by the US/U.K. against the USSR 😂
I remember the Vulcan flying over Cowes for some celebration in 2015 while I was in a pub and all I can say is that it was bloody loud.
Im from ryde 😂
The United States have quantity
The United Kingdom has quality
There will be incoming comments from Americans coming in soon XD
@@Dom-fx4kt guaranteed 😂
This is why we’re great allies and a force to be reckoned with.
"Quality" has been delayed at Calais pending checks. Best of luck with that.
SAS, Parachute regiment and RAF... nuff said
The Avro Vulcan is probably the second most beautiful and elegant military aircraft ever flown anywhere in the world. (in first place it is, of course, the gorgeous Supermarine Spitfire)
I have to disagree, my preference is Vulcan first and Spitfire second. I am lucky enough, during the summer whne I am at work, to be able to listen to a Spitfire flying over most days, and I love to hear it. But, when I lived in Leicestershire the Vulcan would fly over regularly, banking and giving it full throttle, and the noise would go straight through me, it is ashame I will never hear it for real again. But, we are lucky to have two of the best planes ever made.
Of the V bombers, three very different adjectives have often been used for their appearances. Valiant : Conventional. Vulcan :Elegant. Victor : Menacing. Though I personally do admire the Victor's 'menacing' looks the most of the three.
You are forgetting Concord, now that was beautiful.
@@ChrisLewis-yx8kw Very true, but I specifically said military aircraft. That a weapon of war or even mass destruction be beautiful and/or elegant is one of those oxymorons of life.
@@Penster-Elle hey! I like to think Concord may not have worked very well as a plane, but it would work VERY well as a spear!
In 1983 was driving my truck over Shap on the M6 and had just reached the Summit when I heard this wooshing sound, and two Vulcans, could have only been a couple of hundred feet up, passed over me and flew down into the valley, it was a wondrous site, I was blessed to see those wonderfull planes.
I got buzzed by a RN Merlin helicopter in Cornwall yesterday! Yes, it was shit in comparison to TWO Vulcans!😂
You jammy git👍🍺🍺🍺🍺
I was in New York about 20 years ago doing touristy stuff, sightseeing, etc when I found a display of a Harrier Jet being guarded by US Marines,, I think it was a recruitment drive for the Marines, I got talking with one of the guys, who was completely unaware that the Harrier Jet was British design, and that in Britain we were at that time I knew in the process developing Drone fighter bomber aircraft, again the Marine officer was unaware, just shows how long we have been sharing technology with our closest ally America. So Glad We do.!
It also shows how Americans are unable to admit, or even concieve, that European military technology is equal to their own and British is often better.
Not the least bit surprised that he didn't realise it was a British plane to start with. He probably didn't know that in the early days of adoption, several American pilots died or were seriously injured just trying to keep the Harrier on top of the bubble. They had to re-engineer the plane to make it 'easier to fly' for their pilots ;)
The US Marines still use the Harrier
Im and im making parts for them too
@@taichijameson5515 we Brits have moved on from our beloved Harrier Jump Jet.
It’s interesting the the “most advanced country in the world” hasn’t… 🤔
@@lordbonney9779 we replaced it with F-35B (vertical take-off version of the F35)
the Vulcan bomber was an amazing plane which was invited to participate in US war game simulations called RED FLAG in the Nellis ranges Nevada, where they had switched to low level flying due to Soviet Radar. the planes are reported to have flown so low on some of their sorties that one collected part of a Joshua tree in the ailerons while another flew UP into power lines. sadly the Vulcan exited service in the 1980's following the Falklands crisis but was kept flying until only a few years ago by the Vulcan to the Sky foundation. you may be interested in the book Vulcan 607 by Roland White (amazon / audible and other formats) which gives a description of some of the history plus the epic 8000 mile raid on Port Stanley in the Falklands.
Have you heard the story of the two buccaneers fllying BENEATH the Vulcan at low level in Nevada? Apparently the Vulcan was a decoy for the Buccaneers which successfully nuked their target in red flag. Again, helped the US develop better air defence skills.
@@carl48uk I love the story about the Buccaneer navigator requesting the pilot to climb so that they could lower the undercarriage for landing 🤣🤣🤣
I was reading a RAF magaine in the mid 80's that was commenting on the fact a British Tornado crew had just won 1st place in low level bombing. 1st place in medium level bombing, and came 2nd to a carpet bombing B52 in high level in the one competion in the States.
Saw one of the Vulcan last flights at Rhyl Airshow a few years ago, the noise and vibrations you could feel in your body when the pilot hit the throttle hard was just WOW.
Hearing the noise in the video just raised the hair on my arms and memories flashing back.
It's not the first exercise, I have heard of a story from a friend in the Royal Navy. That told me there was an exercises in the early 90's between the Royal Navy and the US Navy. At the start of the Exercise the US Admiral set a message to the Royal Navy Admiral saying how does it feel to be beaten by the best Navy in the world. The US Navy in the exercise severely out classed the British in ships number of ships and and class. The Royal Navy Admiral said nothing about a half an hour into the exercise when low flying British Sea Harriers took out a carrier and the US Admirals command ship the British Royal Navy Admiral sent a message how does it feel to be beaten by the second best Navy in the world. lol.. That one was kept very quite to till it leaked in the 2000's to the Telegraph News paper lol..
That's what allies do help each other see blind spots works both ways
Ahh. Mark Felton's channel, I strongly recommend his channel, always great content.
One of the best
He taught me that I don't know as much about ww2 as I thought I did lol
Huge variety of well researched and documented subjects.
This is like the big guy asking the little guy to punch him, but ends up getting knocked out instead.
USA: punch me! Dweeb!
UK: aims for the dick…
RAF: "Live long and prosper rofl"
USAF: "Could you boldly keep this quiet?"
They kept it secret from Americans, but it wasn't a very well kept secret here. I remember my dad telling me all about this in the late 70s (he worked at Hawker Siddeley/British Aerospace) and it was rightly a proud boast.
Yes this is true I loved the vulcan as a child and a pilot bragged to me about it as he heard me say it was my favourite at a recruitment/exhibition stand.
No internet like we have now back then.
Because for the yanks it was an embarrassment and showed a major flaws I. Their defences.
For us it was a point of pride and showed the strength of our offensive capabilities.
It's a good job the Brits were in a good mood on those two occasions.
Quantity is no substitute for quality. Size is no substitute for strategy
though quantity does have a quality in and of itself - stalin i believe
The British have had more wars then most country’s put together easy work
@@ste887 I honestly made this up on the spot.
@@SteveTidz true
I believe we Brits learnt that lesson at Watling street a looooong time ago
(Boudica)
Scary thing was that they knew we were coming both times! 🇬🇧
The military technology joint efforts between our two great nations are only ramping up now as well. I look forward to all the great stuff we can come up with together to protect ourselves, each other and the wider world ✊ 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
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An interesting morbid fact about the Vulcan is that they were essentially suicide bombers. In almost all scenarios involving a Nuclear first strike, Britain was supposed to be eradicated almost totally and this thought process dictated a lot of our "Defence" strategy. It was more of a revenge strategy. Vulcans were trained to scramble in under 2 minutes of a launch confirmation. they were then expected to punch straight into the most heavily defended and populated areas of Russia and deliver their nuclear audience. They were not to return to base but instead find areas to land or fly until they ran out of fuel and bail.
All scenarios had predicted all UK bases would be destroyed. It's the same reason why to this day command over our Nuclear arsenal is in the hands of those in command of our Vanguard-class ballistic missile submarines. Not the PM, not Whitehall, not the Queen. It's designed to function even when the central government is destroyed.
That’s… distressing.
And VERY British.
now you need to see how the RAF also made the USAF look like a joke during Red Flag with the Bucaneers crazy low altitude flights xD
Like the time at a Red Flag when the US Air Force whooped at 'shooting down' a Vulcan but failed to see two Buccaneers under each wing. The trio were flying at about 200 feet.
@@1chish There was a naval exercise, and due to a freak weather patern the waves were large but wide apart. 2 buccaneers flew between 2 waves and the first the American carrier group knew of them was when they flew over the escort ships and bombed a nuclear carrier and "destroyed" it. The Americans complained all night and finally the judges changed it to damaged just so the Americans could keep boasting that no modern carrier had even been killed even in exercises.
@@Flakey101 - A Swedish sub' sank the USS Ronald Reagan....twice! The yanks ended up hiring it for a year to find out how! 🤣 😂
@@danosverige I love the reason.
The Swedish navy was so out of date the USA didn’t think to check for steam powered ships!
The thing is, the ECM equipment was probably invented by two blokes in a shed, waiting fo their racing pigeons to come home.
“Eh, Ted, what we going to do with this stuff?”
“Dunno, Bert. Let’s give it to the RAF for their Screamin’ Angels to play with.”
Watch Lightning vs U-2 and Concorde!
US: wargames with UK
UK: screws over the US warning system
US:"That didn´t count, we weren´t ready."
the UK has always had better tech, during WW2 the pilots were told to say "we eat carrots " when asked why they were so successful at night flights and shooting down German craft - the truth was we had RADAR in the planes but it was so top secret the lie about carrots was begun.
The carrots 🥕 definitely do work. When was the last time you saw a rabbit wearing glasses 🤓 ? 🤣🤣
The Avro Vulcan was used during the 1982 Falklands Conflict.
In November 1981, it was decided to withdraw the Vulcan from service in June 1982. However, the Argentinean invasion of the Falkland Islands in the spring of 1982 gave the Vulcan an extended lease of life.
The funny thing about this event was the US government wanted to buy the electronic jamming system but we refused to sell it to them because they were at that time being heavily spied on by the Russians,and we did not want that tech falling into Russian hands which tended to happen with US tech.
The Vulcan was never a first strike weapon it was a oh so you think you can Nuke us and get away with it weapon.
It’s wasn’t first strike. It was designed as revenge.
If Britain was targeted and taken out, Vulcans could be in the air 2mins after a confirmed Nuclear launch by Russia. The Vulcans would then drive deep into Russia, targeting Leningrad/St Petersburg, Moscow and Stalingrad/Volograd.
There's a great image of a high-altitude U2 spy plane, flown by guys wearing spacesuits. The U2 was doing a super high flyover to test the resolution of its new imaging equipment at extreme altitude and break some US altitude records at the same time. The kicker? The picture was taken from 20,000ft above by the RAF Canberra looking down on it.
And the Electric Lightening that intercepted a U2 flying at 60,000ft by diving onto it at 80,000ft
At that time it was widely believed, by the RAF, that Britain absolutely had the ability to do the same to the USSR also, so don't feel too bad!
Never underestimate the British, others have in the past and been surprised. We are sneaky buggers lol
My dad worked on the vulcans as a armourer in Singapore where we lived before moving back to Scampton, u should hear them on take off its amazing
If 56,000 feet seems impressive for a 1950s designed aircraft, just bear in mind, an English Electric Lightning, Britain's main Cold War defence fighter, also first flown in the 1950s, once descended on a U2, in an exercise later in its career, from 88,000 feet.
And of course the jet engine was a British invention (although some people try to claim the Germans came up with it first; they didn't).
@Darth Wheazius. The German jets were technically more advanced than the British (and their basic design is used today) but German metals weren’t so advanced and that prevented their engines working reliably.
@@oldman8584 Not strictly true - that argument is based on the fact that in the Meteor we went with the centrifugal flow design for simplicity and the Me262 had an Axial flow design which is the basis of modern jet engines since - therefore German jets were superior tech - however this ignores the Metrovick F2 Axial flow jet designed and made in Britain and flew as a test in 1943. (its all on Wikipedia). We stuck with the centrifugal flow as it worked reliably and was good enough to win the war. Darth Wheazius also raises a good point - the Me 262s were very unreliable and dangerous, so could you really say they were superior?
@@gediredi2 well as I understand it the German design was more advanced and is the system we use today, but the German metals were not suitable and hence the engines were unreliable.
@@oldman8584 yes, more advanced than the centrifugal one in the meteor, as it was axial flow as is used today, and centrifugal was abandoned. All I am saying is that we also had our own axial flow engine in the Metrovick F2 so we had the same technology (and better mettalurgy) but didn't use it. So the Germans didn't have better engine technology than us, but they used an engine with poor metallurgy but the same axial flow tech in a front line fighter! Phew!
@@gediredi2 OK. Fair enough. I hadn’t heard of that engine.
The Vulcan is my favourite aircraft. This video proves that it was not just beautiful to look at and amazing to watch (I had the privilege of seeing the last flying example at an airshow before it retired), but would also have been deadly effective if ever called upon to do the task it was designed for, which fortunately it never was.
Many people have underestimated or dismissed British technology and the UK's armed forces, and some have lived to regret it.
Another story that I thought was interesting was, at the time of the development of the nuclear weapons that was eventually dropped on Japan it dawned on the Americans that they didn't have a plane that could carry it, only the RAF did. The outcome was they had to redesign the B29 to be able to carry the bombs because they didn't want the RAF dropping their bombs. The RAF created a secret force and trained to it deliver the weapons, but of course they were never used.
The 'black Lancaster' force
@@redf7209 exactly.
Great video, I’m currently (well not during lockdown) working on repainting the local air museum Vulcan - not alone of course, that might take a fair while
One of the things that doesn't come across in the films is how big the Avro Vulcan was, I saw them flying as a kid and got a close look at the one in RAF Mildenhall in the mid 80s. Its wingspan is about 100ft and the undercarriage is massive.
The moral: don't mess with the British 😂 We like to do things differently and tend not to follow the crowd, and it often gets us a lot of flack, but let's be honest, we stand out for a reason and have a pretty amazing track record.
I think the brittish have a very good strategic mind to war, but so do the USA, we are form the same branch. We don't have the money nor tech now, the USA do. And so its good we are friends. Russia also have excellent war strategy too, and they have the tech.
......cause that’s how we roll , from the first cannons to the World Wide Web 😂😂😂
The brits have had more wars then most of the country’s put together easy work
@@markmorris7123 The UK is one of the World's highest spenders on defense. We also have leading tech companies so no cookies for you!
@@markmorris7123 the reason we know how to fight is, we were built on war, the first 100 or so yrs we became countries we were attacked by the romans, vikings, Spanish, french, the Vikings again and the Vikings... a third time and more we've had more wars than most countries combined, it's a shame the way people see the UK
I knew a retired RAF officer who was seconded to SAC HQ at Omaha, Nebraska - these exercises were well pre-planned etc. Selected top brass in the USAF would be aware.
Loved the Vulcan, you felt it, then the all enveloping sound. Sad no Avro Vulcan now flying. Frank Whittle invented the jet engine, pub named after him in Lutterworth, Leicestershire. Robert Watson Watt designed our radar systems, during WW2
Not really true about Watson-Watt. Several countries knew about the effect of radio waves bouncing around. (After the war planes flying overhead wrecked the picture quality of TV screens.)
The unique contribution to radar was when the cavity magnetron was invented. Very short wavelength and much smaller equipment. It meant radar could be carried by aircraft and for a long time the Germans couldn’t understand how their submarines were detected (and often sunk) in pitch darkness and their radar detection equipment detecting nothing.
The technology was given to the Americans free and for nothing. Weirdly that cavity magnetron-thing is the basis of microwave cookers today.
@@oldman8584 went to Neatishead museum, they have a magnetron, from WW2 and a present day one, amazing, live near, a slave station of Neatishead, still in use, although Neatishead closed. Believe Germans used theirs differently. Flew along lines, not for detection. Mundesley has road names, after Watson Watt. Norfolk, of course. Yes regarding TV, they dropped the screen on the radar, station, wrecked cars computer systems, driving by. Stopped its operating, TV not good. Back to normal after everything put back, operational .
@@catherinewilkins2760 Germany did use radar very effectively for aircraft and ship detection very early in the war, but the sets and aerials were ground based and too heavy to be carried in aircraft. They did eventually develop their own air intercept radar and improved it all the time. By early 1944 Luftwaffe radar-equipped night fighters were winning the night air war by shooting down 10% or more of all RAF heavy bomber raids on Germany. Fortunately one of the Luftwaffe's most advanced night fighters defected and landed in Britain, giving up all its secrets, and the RAF was able to introduce counter measures.
The electronics that German aircraft used in 1940 to 'fly along lines' were radio signals for navigation, not radar, and something Britain only caught up with in 1942.
'wrecked cars computer systems' ?? Cars did not have computers until very recently
@@mimikurtz4061 happened about 5 years ago, on certain makes
@@catherinewilkins2760 I thought you were talking about Watson Watt and early radar in WW2.
I lived near a Vulcan base here in the UK when they were operational and they occasionally flew over my house the noise had to be heard to be believed and that was just cruising when they went into a climb the entire area physically shook, absolutely beautiful to watch
A Vulcan over flew my house on it's way to Wellesbourne, where it is today and has be restored and maintained in flying condition There in one of the beasts at my local air museum (Baginton), it is a true marvel!
The stories of the RAFs first visit to red flag with Buccaneers and a Vulcan are legendary, one of the Buccaneer pilots at the briefing before the start asked what the minimum altitude was and was told no minimums, they were flying so low that to turn they needed to climb
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Another one to check out from Marks channel would be, when an English Electric Lightning, intercepted a U2 and then continued to climb ABOVE the U2 to 80,000 feet! The same Lightning also intercepted Concorde!
I remember reading about that exercise. British Aerospace offered a Concorde as a hare to all comers to see if they could catch it There were quite a few contenders but the Lightning was the only one to succeed.
If you've never heard of it I would recommend checking out the "Isle of Man TT" pretty much any video on the subject
Linked to this are the Red Flag exercises where our RAF Buccaneer aircraft caused much embarrassment on more than one occasion to the US Air Force. Good job the vast majority of us like and respect the USA friendship and brothers in arms. 🇬🇧🇺🇲
PS Mark Felton videos are brilliant.
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Excellent content, if you're interested in more on the Vulcan ( My Gramps favourite aircraft ) you may be interested in the story of the bombing raid on the Falklands. Operation Black Buck, the specifics leading up to it are from the Book Vulcan 607. It's a story of an example of a million to one chance actually panning out! I think it would be worthy of your consideration...
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1 thing about the Vulcan, while a fantastic aircraft, only the pilots had ejector seats the other 3 people on board had to get to the door and jump out in an emergency.
Scariest thing is when the Vulcan crews were on standby in the cold war, they new that once they had dropped there weapon, there was no plan B
You might like to check out when an English electric lighting interception at over 80 thousand feet of a US spy plane and catching and overtaking concorde
Lighting vs u2 and concord Mark Felton production
An ecellent video as usual. Another Vulcan based video worth commenting on is the bombing run from the UK to the Falklands to deny the Argentina use of the airfield. It had to refuel mid air multiple times on route. It was a huge distance to bomb, at a time when modern long distance missiles were not available.
Would have like to see the USA testing our defences .
I was just thinking I wonder if the USA have ever done a simulated attack on our defences, and if not why not, I've never seen or read anything about that, maybe they've kept it secret.
@@thewalrus6833 1/ Not necessary! :-) It is not uncommon for the RAF to escort actual 'lost' Russian aircraft out of our airspace. Or maybe they were trying to defect?
2/ In the era of these exercises a four minute warning would see the English Electric Lightnings scrambled and reach 36,000 ft (11,000 m) in under three minutes.
Maybe the Americans should have purchased a few hundred Lightnings to defend their borders?
@@thewalrus6833 NATO often tested the UKs defences, Germany and the Nordic country's did it.
I had the pleasure of attending a airshow a few years ago where the Vulcan flew over the crowd, it is such a beautiful aeroplane and the noise it makes is awesome.
Remember the Vulcan entered service in 1956. 11 years after Lancasters and B17s were bombing Germany.
Original KK: The Vulcan prototype (1/3rd size) first flew in 1949. It is now in the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester, England.
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Just imagine the faces of the RAF Commanders at NORAD when it happened. 😂🤣😂🤣😂
There's a reason the UK have been one of the best countries at war throughout history
The best actually, and France is second.
That because unlike other country we learn from ours and theirs mistakes
Read a few years back that UK has been fighting other countries in varying scales, every day for at least 500 years.
@@chrismalloy7688 yep, and the UK has fought and won more wars than any other nation. France isn’t far off in second, but their hite flag is always at hand...
There was a similar " smoke and mirrors" hushed up news story back about 20 years ago ( i think ) when the Farnborough International Airshow was due to recieve the first ever visit to a airshow from the American B2 Stealth bomber. The exact time of arrival and direction was kept secret for security reasons. The new British military Rapier anti-aircraft missile system was also on a trade stand at the show ( its also a big arms fair ) and apparently had located and tracked the B2 from about 20 miles out from the airshow and then when it left, which was not supposed to be possible.
The offical comment was that as it was not an operational deployment, the B2 was not in full "stealth mode".........
the best plane,the english electric double trouble, 1 engine on top of the other, 88,000 feet climb
I was fishing in the late 70s and a vulcan took off from Lincoln. I was directly in its flight path. The ground shook, my seet box went into the water and I lay on my back with my hands over my ears TERRIFIED!.
You should watch some of the guide films the US military made to help soldiers when they were being based in Britain in ww2, or some more videos by Mark Felton because he has some cool content
I watched one of those guide films, it really illustrates how deeply (GI’s separated by colour in the services and more widely in the community) divided the US was at that time in regard to race.
@@san8524 yes its very interesting, have you heard about the Battle of Bamber Bridge?
@@anarchysoldier6203 Yes, I think the locals took sides with the African American GI’s protecting them from the white GI’s and white MPs
@Ally Wakka yeah, that’s the one I saw.
There were always vulcan bombers in the sky when i was a kid growing up in Scotland in the 70's, and you knew what they were carrying right over your head. The roar from the vulcan is one of the most amazing and frightening sounds you will ever hear. They used to shake the houses as they flew over. some say the vulcan was a thing of beauty. IT WAS, IT WAS THE ANGEL OF DEATH!
Should have called BANSHEE
Mark Felton is a legend. His videos are always great
He's one of the best in the business
@@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire He has became what the History channel is supposed to be
Vulcan delta wing high altitude bomber superb RAF bomber way ahead of its time.
You have to watch us Brits. We don't even know what we are doing ourselves half the time lol.
Getting beaten once .... fair call, that happens in warfare. Getting beaten a second time, THE SAME WAY, shows that none of the 'experts' learned a damn thing from the first time.
Thank you for the interesting reaction. You understood that the US govt did not learn & address the issues. Many other reactors do not pick up on that important fact. 👍
You notice in the Skyshield the ratio was about 0.97:1 in favour of attacking aircraft but in sky shield 2 the ratio was 10:1 in favour of defensive planes and still 7 out 8 got though
If your interested in how the idea of England was born, react to something on Alfred the Great.
The next problems happened more recently when a Swedish Gotland class sub sank the USS Ronald Reagan Aircraft Carrier during an excercise in 2005 .
I have been privileged to witness so many breathtaking advances in technology during my life, my chief regret is that I won't get another few hundred years to see what comes next. Imagine! This is truly an age when almost everything seems possible, if not feasible. I recently bought a 3D printer... what an adventure!
Those are fun for sure!
To be fair the vulcans were very advanced for their time, they had a lower radar cross section than all other bombers of the era thanks to the shape (its "almost" a flying wing) with amazing ecm for the era. The radars of the time not being as sophisticated as they are now meant they were incredibly hard to detect with enough warning to scramble fighters to intercept before they reached their targets. I'm actually curious to know if ti's experience is what made the us look into actual flying wings which lead to the b2
Just goes to prove that in a nuclear war there are no winners.
A curious game. The only way to win is not to play.
If you like jets, look for videos on the Vulcan Howl, then turn your speakers up.
I would recommend the channel liveth for evermore if you want more military videos
These exercises are really useful - you want your allies to pull a fast one and sneak in, so that our enemies can't. Better a bruised ego, than a smoking crater where something important used to be.
usa definitely learned more from this than just shooting the planes down, and im guessing this caused a load more money to be spent as well
Id recommend a video called "what would a war between the eu and us look like" by binkovs battleground
Nah its super inaccurate
Here's a good one for you. There was also Skyshield III and IV... in which the USA refused to invite Britain (Skyshield IV never did happen, but Britain wasn't invited to the smaller events that happened after it either)
If you ever come to the uk for any reason visit the Lake District
Or the Westcountry
@Spencer Rees I'm a Devon boy lol
@Spencer Rees stronger together!
@Spencer Rees where you to?
All in the ENGLISH part of the British Isles
Thanks for reviewing this, and for having an open mind.
Not a problem I try to have an open mind so that I can learn.
You don't shoot down Vulcans as they're too beautiful.
Go find something else.
They're a work of art
and that sound is too good to miss. so you'd at least let it go past once
I can understand the cone of silence response. There would have been panic in the streets if the American public learner what could have happened. Never underestimate you enemy- or you allies, for that matter.