This is one reason its actually important have this exercises, to find weaknesses and things u may not have considered .. and to test what happends in different scenarios .. and learn from eachother .. weather ur from US, UK or Sweden or any other nation ..
Did you notice how the USAF stacked the deck for Sky Shield 2? Sky Shield 1 .....310 vs 360. Sky Shield 2 .....125 vs 1,800. Btw, the RAF gave them another chance by staying down at 56,000ft (the max height soviet bombers could reach), if they'd come in at their true max altitude of 63,000+ft, I don't think they'd have intercepted any of them.
British Vulcan Radar Operater:- Captain we got 350 US Voodoo fighter jets on an intercept course...ETA 90 seconds. Captain:- Leutenant...activate cloaking device. US Voodoo fleet:- WTF...were TF did they go?
UK here - sorry about that old boy - but just to note that although the USA made sure this was kept secret, the RAF knew just how good their bombers were... fun fact: the only times the Vulcan bombers flew in anger were against Argentinian forces on the Falkland Islands in 1982...
It's not just the air force in recent years the marines had a 5 day exercise they surrendered early and asked for a reset anf the us navy asked the British navy to turn off there radar system to give them chance both times they ended up on the losing side
They grounded the flights to avoid accidents as the British planes were obviously not giving them flight plans and may have strayed into commercial air space.
The Vulcan is iconic and its scream is immense. I've had the privilege of sitting in the cockpit of one with one of the pilots who flew one in the Falklands war
So a Vulcan not only nuked NYC, but ended the exercise by landing at a New York AFB thereby winning biggest capture the flag match in history. Suppose it could have been a lot worse, the Paras could have dropped in as an occupying force 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Never under-estimate the Brits - you want them as allies and firmly on your side. The Vulcan nuclear bomber was powered by Rolls-Royce Olympus engines which with some modifications went onto power Concorde - the only aircraft ever able to fly in sustained (trans-Atlantic) 'super-cruise' - a steady Mach 2 without afterburners.
@@gdok6088"against the odds" lol Except for Trafalgar, the others are just gigantic coalitions where the UK is not even the largest contingent (115k allies at Waterloo, only 24k British, same for WW1 and WW2). And regarding Trafalgar, it's a victorious battle, but the UK lost the War of the 3rd Coalition.
@@Thunderworks "regarding Trafalgar, it's a victorious battle, but the UK lost the War of the 3rd Coalition."... and the 4th... and the 5th... But won the 6th and 7th... otherwise known as the end of the Napoleonic wars (Coalition 1-7).
As impressive as this is, you should check the English Electric Lighting. The U2 spy plane flying at 70,000 ft, the pilot in a special suit... amazed as a Lighting flew past, up to 86,000 ft That must have been a shock 😮 ❤ from Northeast England ❤️
Thing is the US is focused and can throw money on the problem , Russia throws people in the meatgrinder…small countries tend to go highly specialised and highly sneaky because not a lot of money OR people.
In a war situation you only have to look at Ukraine on Flight Radar to see no civilian aircraft for the last few years, so it does make sense. As a Brit from a military RAF history background, as a teenager back then and still a V-Bomber and B-52/47 fan, at the time I did know about this. With the USA I look at this as a massive success exercise to what it was suppose to achieve. If the defence was 100% then nothing can be learned. To highlight those weaknesses 100% respects to the USA going to those lengths. What I find interesting are other similar missions including those from another V-Bomber type, the cresent winged Victor regarding the Hawker Siddeley upgrades to reconnaissance missions before becoming tankers that also had a number of successes that no one ever mentions. USA keeping it quiet makes total sense. It was the height of the Cold War I remember well. Then we all knew even had pamphlets at home how to survive being nuked. UK wiped out in about 2 minutes and the USA 11 minutes as well as the Soviet Union with MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). So of course you don't broadcast failures. Just to add though, the RAF weren't invited to Skyshield 3, but remember I think called Red Flag and Vulcans continued to do well, and the allied nations continued to learn. So was it a success? Of course it was. Two up to todays standards small nukes, and next year 80 years ago and non sinse in anger. I call that a success.
The details were released over 35 years after the original events. In that time, the Vulcans had all been retired and mostly scrapped; the US had designed, and deployed 2 or 3 generations of fighters which would probably have destroyed the now 35 year old Vulcans. Asking 'And then what happened?' after the exercises were unclassified has an answer: 'Probably nothing': aincient attackers against then-modern defenders would probably have had those old attackers destroyed, so no harm releasing the details. Apart from reputational.
If you want to know more about the Vulcan, find one of the many videos about the bombing raid on the Argentinians ( Operation Blackbuck) when they invaded the Falklands. A vulcan bomber flew almost 4,00 miles from Ascension Island (1982) and it took 11 Victor tankers flying relay formation to get it there.
I bet it could still do some damage now if it was called for... ps imagine it with Euro Fighter engines installed and modified operation system's and anti-radar paint/composite skin... not much would catch it by ether speed or Radar....
@@kylereese4822it would need to be built from scratch, the remaining Vulcans no longer are able to obtain air worthiness certificates as components are no longer available .
America is good at saying things but doesn't mean its true. 99% effective apart from both test failing. Same with army "best in world" but never won a war alone 🤣 Its the most expensive but definitely not the best. Recently we beat America in other war games making Marines surrender!
The Vulcan was one of the 3 V Bombers that Britain had. Victor and Valiant could carry more and had greater range but the Vulcan was the special one. It was the bomber that thought it was a fighter. It'd been designed to be the bomber that could get to and hit targets the other 2 couldn't get to. Funny bit is Vulcan's were meant to simulate high altitude Russian bombers but the Russians didn't have anything close to Vulcan either. The other massive surprise the USA had to deal with was the British ECM's. Radar jamming had been a thing for almost as long as radar and USA had systems just as powerful...in ground stations and on Warships. They'd never encountered a system that was that powerful and effective but still small and light enough to be carried on an aircraft. When it comes to your remarks about studying Vulcan, even during their service how they would have been used to get to their targets changed. As missiles became more effective, being high, fast and maneuverible wasn't good enough. Vulcan's were then considered for use at extreme low altitude. A lot of the training and experience figuring that out went into how the Tornado fighter bomber was used. Vulcan was ahead of her time but today you've got fighters Vulcan would never see coming that can launch missiles beyond visual range and reliably hit. If the RAF tried this today, they wouldn't even get close. The delivery of nukes changed a lot too. Now instead of a fleet of lumbering bombers it's ICBM's with MIRV re-entry packing 10+ warheads each and something like Vanguard class SSBN can launch up to 16 SLBM with up to 8 warheads each and RN has 4 Vanguard sneaking around. Iirc USN equivalent is Ohio class and it's even more powerful plus you guys have close to 20 of them.
@@B-A-L iirc when they shifted to low altitude operations it came at a cost of far more strain on the air frames as they were being thrown around in much thicker air than was intended. It got bad enough that fatigue cracks were found in some of the air frames. The Victor's suffered from the same issue.
My ma and da lived directly opposite Fastlane nuclear submarine base.... can't get a bigger hot zone than that. I myself still live to close to it for my liking.
I agree with you that the American defenders probably concentrated mainly on the American attackers as they, like all Americans, had been told all their lives that America was the best at everything so it would be natural to suspect that they were the ones with the best chance of getting through. (BTW) you are the first American I have watched react to this video who has picked up on that point, impressive).
To me it's a very valid exercise...This would have helped both allies work out weaknesses in protection and how to get through defences...It's an exercise to learn things...not an embarrassment...but a useful test...My guess is it was kept quiet for more obvious reasons...and rightly so...I'm sure both sides showed their findings...Bear in mind, had it been the other way round...my guess is it wouldn't have been dissimilar...and I'm UK
Did a US carrier group retire from battle because the carrier got hit in Yemen recently? Carrier groups in modern warfare aren't as strong as they think. With modern weapons they're very vulnerable, it's more a platform to project power and a threat to less organised opposition, it's not a battle group. Once engaged it's a very tempting target.
The Royal Navy is supplying the supply ship to USS Bataan at the moment. Last week our navy captured a mini- submarine in the Caribbean and the week before a boat carrying £60million of cocaine … in support of the American coastguard…. USA has a million people in its military. So why do they need us???? Watch the video on, "Obi Wan Nairobi" … SAS genius ….
The main thing too take away from this is it wasn't an unexpected attack the us had all commercial aircraft grounded so they could see them.coming , also they had planes in the air looking for them ,imagine if it had been an unexpected sneak attack ,look at green dagger us marines v uk and Canadian marines , also there are other us v uk exercises that didn't go so well , or my personal favourite when the us told us we got this and attacked a certain desert city and they didn't need help ,then we had to go rescue them and their jet helicopters that they flew low level over a desert ,t h ey almost got halfway😂😂. Imagine if they had suitcase nukes or biological weapons on the planes that hit the towers.
This year 2024.. 1 thousand 500 USA troops had a simulated battle against 100 British royal Marines... not only were the US troops forced to surrender but surrendered early... america has the biggest army but they need to up their strategy because we need each other
These days we can do the same via Super Computers whilst keeping all commercial flights flying. Back then was no virtual reality or computers and they had to use real Aircraft (thus why commercial flights where grounded) otherwise there may have been a crash between a bomber or jet and a commercial plane. When you said someone could buy an old Falcon and use it these days (would not work, the missiles US and other Nations have now can reach these aircraft 600+ miles away) and now we have Satellite's to detect incoming aircraft and bombs, unlike in the 1960's.
It was covered up because they didn't want the Russians to know how effective their defence was, and they didn't want people to panic. The American government had insisted their air defence was almost perfect. Obviously for reassurance and to keep the Russians at bay. It's amazing to think that these aeroplanes were designed in the 1940's and operating by the 50's ❤ from Northeast England ❤️
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exacly mate they closed the air space down to give themselves an advantage. which was an unfair advantage in many peoples views. but hey it didnt help. But to be fair the Vulcan bomber was the most advanced bomber of its time and no one else including America had anything like it"Way back in the days when England made great things. like the concord retired before anything could proceed it. The same as the Legendary Harrier jump Jet. yes it was slow but could almost stop in mid flight and change direction( something that Argentina found out rather quickly during dog fights over the Falklands) and vertical take offs even in rough seas. Now thats gone with nothing to replace it too. Now we make hardly anything to be proud of its very sad
I don't think they shut down air traffic to make the job easier, but to make sure it was safe for those civilians. Radars should know the difference between aircraft these days
Years ago I worked WPC fast craft ferries. One shift we had there was an excersize being conducted with RN and NATO vessels. We were a clear 50+ miles from their perimeter but it was still close enough for them to really do a number on our nav radar. All we had was patchy very low resolution so we were still getting return on land and large vessels ahead but really struggling to see smaller vessels like fishing boats, couldn't see floating debris like trees etc and completely blind in the navy's direction which was bad for the return trip because we had our bow onto them part of the way. It was bad enough that if it hadn't been clear weather with good visibility, we'd have cancelled. It was a busy day for bridge lookouts and thumping headache by the end of that shift 😂
Don't worry they also nuked Australia and yes they deliberately nuked one of your islands as a test. ... Between 1952 and 1963 the British Government, with the agreement and support of the Australian Government, carried out nuclear tests at three sites in Australia - the Monte Bello Islands off the Western Australian coast, and at Emu Field and Maralinga in South Australia.... Britain launched negotiations with the US on a treaty under in which both could share information and material to design, test and maintain their nuclear weapons. This effort culminated in the 1958 US-UK Mutual Defence Agreement. One of the results of that treaty was that Britain was allowed to use United States' Nevada Test Site for testing their designs and ideas, and received full support from the personnel there, in exchange for the data "take" from the experiment, a mutual condition. In effect the Nevada Test Site became Britain's test ground, subject only to advance planning and integrating their testing into that of the United States. This resulted in 24 underground tests at the Nevada
it is insane to think Britain could have wiped the US off the map with just 8 bombers, Britain had 134 of these bombers, imagine all of them at once. tiny island wiping a super power out. Nukes really do level the playing field in a spectacular way. it's frightening. The US focuses too much on money, Russia too much on manpower and smaller countries like France and the UK on technology and highly specialised units with superior training.
The USA has a unique way of improving their defenses. They stop asking anybody who wins to stop testing them. Then they only train alongside those nations. The heavily biased test was without other aircraft, in a fixed timescale with you knowing we're and who the enemy was, and you still failed. The second time you increased resources 3x more and still failed even though the approach was identical to the previous exercise. To fix it in the end you just didn't do the test you were failing. The truth is any country so big is indefensible and has holes in any attempt to defend it. The only benefit the Americas has is geographical isolation, the rest of the world is thousands of miles away. It's not worth the trouble. They had to piss-off the Japanese to have a go at them, and even then it was a US territory two-thousand miles from mainland USA.
Hate to say it but I agree on the nuke thing Charlie, I firmly believe that we'll see a nuclear attack in the near future if not all out war. The doomsday clock has never been as close to midnight as it is now.
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It's an exercise that Brits excel at...it's called thinking out of the box. The USA seems to think shock and awe will win the day, whereas the Brits will come up with a devious plan to throw their enemy off-guard and thereby become victorious. They built the largest empire the world has ever seen, despite being a tiny country that is roughly the size of Idaho.
British pilots also used to think and act in a standard way until they saw the unconventional Polish pilots during the Battle of Britain. The Poles ignored the standard English tactics and achieved spectacular successes and had a high pilot survivability.
here is a thought for you, puts things in prospective, told to me 4 years ago 5 guys go on a night out for a drink, the intention is to get drunk, have a good time, the clever one, is the one that does not drink, keeps himself sober while the other 4 get drunk, the clever one is the one person stays sober, he knows, it may kick off later in the night. who is ready to fight and win, the 4 guys shit faced, or the one guy that is sober. ego can take over, its not stregnth in numbers, unless that unit works in harmony, a smaller well organised force can take twice the size your ego is americans downfall, because you think your safe, you relax your gurad get shit faced, but there are holes and failures, gaps in your defense 5 guys going out sober, is a much stronger force
04:30 in. Exactly, why do "a real life exercice" if you ground all the other flights ? I didn't even think of it (shame on me) until you said it... maybe there is more to that... lets see
Tbf while the Soviets had nothing like Vulcan at the time, they were dabbling with the idea. Having a blow by blow account of what 8 RAF Vulcan's did would be all the incentive needed to throw resources behind developing something similar.
Don't worry about the US military. According to them, no Iranian missiles hit their targets last night in Isreal. Your government wouldn't lie to you. Sleep well.
@@reluctantheist5224 We didn’t lose. The withdrawal with no notice of US troops made their continued presence untenable. Anyway, we were not at war with Afghanistan.
@@RonSeymour1 OK. You will lose unless the situation becomes untenable and we withdraw. Agreed, it was a particular group in the country. Not even the whole country.
@@reluctantheist5224 UK troops were there to provide security for the new transitional government and to help find leaders of al-Queda. They were not fighting a war. They responded to attacks.
@@RonSeymour1 OK, you will lose unless we withdraw and stop responding to attacks, having not provided transitional security for the new Government and allow its enemy to take over.
the trouble americans have is ego, im not having a go at americans, we are friends and allies, may that continue, for one we speak the same language, and have a similiar heritage But your trouble in america is ego, because you think your the biggest best in the world, no one can beat us, lets go back to world war 2 for example, the might of the german army europe had fallen, only the small island called great britain, war is over, from hitlers point of few, send the planes, crush britain 6 weeks, it will be over, in general british, we dont have ego, we done boast, as hitler found out, we kept quiet, did not sell our ego our might, we quietly went about what needed to be done pearl harbour for example, the might of the americans,no one will mess with us, yet you got taken by suprise, 2 years into a global war then this video oepration sky sheild, yeah 99% great, but busted twice, the reason is, you guys have never had to defend the US from outside forces, trying to take your country, your freedom,, breedss ego
the Vulcan was a truly impressive aircraft for the time, when you think that this was first flown in the 50's it's astonishing. Although a heavy 4 engined bomber, it thought it was a fighter🙂. On it's first public showing it showed off its performance, for which the test pilot (Roy Chadwick) was told off .... because "bombers don't do aerobatics" If you would like to see just how impressive this aircraft was, watch these two short clips.of the last flying Vulcan on it's farewell flight round Britain before being permanently grounded. ua-cam.com/video/d4H_6_tp42Y/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/hKDM0KvzYPI/v-deo.html
USA. ..... We've an air force of thousands of planes.
UK..........We've got 8.
USA....... Waves white flag..
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This is one reason its actually important have this exercises, to find weaknesses and things u may not have considered .. and to test what happends in different scenarios .. and learn from eachother .. weather ur from US, UK or Sweden or any other nation ..
Did you notice how the USAF stacked the deck for Sky Shield 2? Sky Shield 1 .....310 vs 360. Sky Shield 2 .....125 vs 1,800. Btw, the RAF gave them another chance by staying down at 56,000ft (the max height soviet bombers could reach), if they'd come in at their true max altitude of 63,000+ft, I don't think they'd have intercepted any of them.
British Vulcan Radar Operater:- Captain we got 350 US Voodoo fighter jets on an intercept course...ETA 90 seconds.
Captain:- Leutenant...activate cloaking device.
US Voodoo fleet:- WTF...were TF did they go?
UK here - sorry about that old boy - but just to note that although the USA made sure this was kept secret, the RAF knew just how good their bombers were... fun fact: the only times the Vulcan bombers flew in anger were against Argentinian forces on the Falkland Islands in 1982...
DELIVERING THE MAIL
It's not just the air force in recent years the marines had a 5 day exercise they surrendered early and asked for a reset anf the us navy asked the British navy to turn off there radar system to give them chance both times they ended up on the losing side
They grounded the flights to avoid accidents as the British planes were obviously not giving them flight plans and may have strayed into commercial air space.
Still pathetic that America struggled with empty sky's
And an enemy would?the whole point was to test American response. American military got embarrassed,so did a reset and changed the rules.
@Trebor74 the the British did the exact same thing and America still didn't learn!
commercial airspace is well below 56,000 feet. Around 42/43,000 feet, if I'm not mistaken.
Never under estimate your enemy, but.....Never OVER estimate yourself.
The Vulcan is iconic and its scream is immense. I've had the privilege of sitting in the cockpit of one with one of the pilots who flew one in the Falklands war
The danger is always overestimating yourself and underestimating the enemy. It's called false complacency.
It's just complacency on both counts. False complacency means the opposite.
It's called Viet Nam!
So a Vulcan not only nuked NYC, but ended the exercise by landing at a New York AFB thereby winning biggest capture the flag match in history. Suppose it could have been a lot worse, the Paras could have dropped in as an occupying force 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Yes and they landed at the New York AF base just to rub the Yanks noses in it and that's direct from an RAF source years ago.
Never under-estimate the Brits - you want them as allies and firmly on your side. The Vulcan nuclear bomber was powered by Rolls-Royce Olympus engines which with some modifications went onto power Concorde - the only aircraft ever able to fly in sustained (trans-Atlantic) 'super-cruise' - a steady Mach 2 without afterburners.
We specialise in impossible 🇬🇧
@@gdok6088"against the odds" lol
Except for Trafalgar, the others are just gigantic coalitions where the UK is not even the largest contingent (115k allies at Waterloo, only 24k British, same for WW1 and WW2). And regarding Trafalgar, it's a victorious battle, but the UK lost the War of the 3rd Coalition.
@@leoleeuk
Miracles just may take a little longer...
@@Thunderworks "regarding Trafalgar, it's a victorious battle, but the UK lost the War of the 3rd Coalition."... and the 4th... and the 5th... But won the 6th and 7th... otherwise known as the end of the Napoleonic wars (Coalition 1-7).
@babalonkie doesn't real matter who wins in the heats, its the final that counts and we won that!
Vulcan was technically the first stealth bomber but at the time they didn't know it. The tail was the most observable part of the aircraft.
As impressive as this is, you should check the English Electric Lighting.
The U2 spy plane flying at 70,000 ft, the pilot in a special suit... amazed as a Lighting flew past, up to 86,000 ft
That must have been a shock 😮
❤ from Northeast England ❤️
Should be noted that if Russia attempted to nuke America the vulcans were on standby to attack Russia
Thing is the US is focused and can throw money on the problem , Russia throws people in the meatgrinder…small countries tend to go highly specialised and highly sneaky because not a lot of money OR people.
It doesn't matter if you kill 20 enemy soldiers for every one of yours if the enemy has 30 men. Russians know attritional warfare.
In a war situation you only have to look at Ukraine on Flight Radar to see no civilian aircraft for the last few years, so it does make sense. As a Brit from a military RAF history background, as a teenager back then and still a V-Bomber and B-52/47 fan, at the time I did know about this. With the USA I look at this as a massive success exercise to what it was suppose to achieve. If the defence was 100% then nothing can be learned. To highlight those weaknesses 100% respects to the USA going to those lengths. What I find interesting are other similar missions including those from another V-Bomber type, the cresent winged Victor regarding the Hawker Siddeley upgrades to reconnaissance missions before becoming tankers that also had a number of successes that no one ever mentions. USA keeping it quiet makes total sense. It was the height of the Cold War I remember well. Then we all knew even had pamphlets at home how to survive being nuked. UK wiped out in about 2 minutes and the USA 11 minutes as well as the Soviet Union with MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). So of course you don't broadcast failures. Just to add though, the RAF weren't invited to Skyshield 3, but remember I think called Red Flag and Vulcans continued to do well, and the allied nations continued to learn. So was it a success? Of course it was. Two up to todays standards small nukes, and next year 80 years ago and non sinse in anger. I call that a success.
The details were released over 35 years after the original events. In that time, the Vulcans had all been retired and mostly scrapped; the US had designed, and deployed 2 or 3 generations of fighters which would probably have destroyed the now 35 year old Vulcans. Asking 'And then what happened?' after the exercises were unclassified has an answer: 'Probably nothing': aincient attackers against then-modern defenders would probably have had those old attackers destroyed, so no harm releasing the details. Apart from reputational.
If you want to know more about the Vulcan, find one of the many videos about the bombing raid on the Argentinians ( Operation Blackbuck) when they invaded the Falklands. A vulcan bomber flew almost 4,00 miles from Ascension Island (1982) and it took 11 Victor tankers flying relay formation to get it there.
I bet it could still do some damage now if it was called for... ps imagine it with Euro Fighter engines installed and modified operation system's and anti-radar paint/composite skin... not much would catch it by ether speed or Radar....
@@kylereese4822it would need to be built from scratch, the remaining Vulcans no longer are able to obtain air worthiness certificates as components are no longer available .
America is good at saying things but doesn't mean its true. 99% effective apart from both test failing. Same with army "best in world" but never won a war alone 🤣 Its the most expensive but definitely not the best. Recently we beat America in other war games making Marines surrender!
The Vulcan was one of the 3 V Bombers that Britain had. Victor and Valiant could carry more and had greater range but the Vulcan was the special one. It was the bomber that thought it was a fighter. It'd been designed to be the bomber that could get to and hit targets the other 2 couldn't get to. Funny bit is Vulcan's were meant to simulate high altitude Russian bombers but the Russians didn't have anything close to Vulcan either.
The other massive surprise the USA had to deal with was the British ECM's. Radar jamming had been a thing for almost as long as radar and USA had systems just as powerful...in ground stations and on Warships. They'd never encountered a system that was that powerful and effective but still small and light enough to be carried on an aircraft.
When it comes to your remarks about studying Vulcan, even during their service how they would have been used to get to their targets changed. As missiles became more effective, being high, fast and maneuverible wasn't good enough. Vulcan's were then considered for use at extreme low altitude. A lot of the training and experience figuring that out went into how the Tornado fighter bomber was used. Vulcan was ahead of her time but today you've got fighters Vulcan would never see coming that can launch missiles beyond visual range and reliably hit. If the RAF tried this today, they wouldn't even get close.
The delivery of nukes changed a lot too. Now instead of a fleet of lumbering bombers it's ICBM's with MIRV re-entry packing 10+ warheads each and something like Vanguard class SSBN can launch up to 16 SLBM with up to 8 warheads each and RN has 4 Vanguard sneaking around. Iirc USN equivalent is Ohio class and it's even more powerful plus you guys have close to 20 of them.
The Vulcan display pilot was told to stop performing rolls during air displays because it just wasn't on!
@@B-A-L iirc when they shifted to low altitude operations it came at a cost of far more strain on the air frames as they were being thrown around in much thicker air than was intended. It got bad enough that fatigue cracks were found in some of the air frames. The Victor's suffered from the same issue.
We have a Vulcan based five mins from my local airport Southend on sea essex.awesome aircraft.also I was on a R1 Nimrod the other day
Could still be put into service if S hits the fan, everything is better than nothing.
Good honest review, thanks. Let's face it. There will be no winners if we can't sort ourselves out.
I live next to a hot target in Britain and in the event of an all out nuclear conflict i consider myself lucky, im sure you can work out why.
My ma and da lived directly opposite Fastlane nuclear submarine base.... can't get a bigger hot zone than that. I myself still live to close to it for my liking.
Lucky guy !, the last half'ish hour after the alert will drag on for some... 🙄
At least all the various atomic powers deployed nukes with safety features that prevented them from accidently going off. But, no system is perfect.
The highest known Russian altitude was around 56,000 ft. The B2 Vulcan could exceed even that, with a ceiling of around 60,000 ft.
I agree with you that the American defenders probably concentrated mainly on the American attackers as they, like all Americans, had been told all their lives that America was the best at everything so it would be natural to suspect that they were the ones with the best chance of getting through. (BTW) you are the first American I have watched react to this video who has picked up on that point, impressive).
I doubt we're the audience for US military claims
To me it's a very valid exercise...This would have helped both allies work out weaknesses in protection and how to get through defences...It's an exercise to learn things...not an embarrassment...but a useful test...My guess is it was kept quiet for more obvious reasons...and rightly so...I'm sure both sides showed their findings...Bear in mind, had it been the other way round...my guess is it wouldn't have been dissimilar...and I'm UK
Sweden managed to sink a US aircraft carrier with a cheap diesel powered submarine during the war games in 2005
that reminds me of the movie "Down Periscope" great movie btw lol
The carrier was USS Ronald Reagan among others...
Did a US carrier group retire from battle because the carrier got hit in Yemen recently? Carrier groups in modern warfare aren't as strong as they think. With modern weapons they're very vulnerable, it's more a platform to project power and a threat to less organised opposition, it's not a battle group. Once engaged it's a very tempting target.
So Sweden doesn’t get invited back to international military competitions, either, then ???? …..
The Royal Navy is supplying the supply ship to USS Bataan at the moment. Last week our navy captured a mini- submarine in the Caribbean and the week before a boat carrying £60million of cocaine … in support of the American coastguard…. USA has a million people in its military. So why do they need us???? Watch the video on, "Obi Wan Nairobi" … SAS genius ….
The main thing too take away from this is it wasn't an unexpected attack the us had all commercial aircraft grounded so they could see them.coming , also they had planes in the air looking for them ,imagine if it had been an unexpected sneak attack ,look at green dagger us marines v uk and Canadian marines , also there are other us v uk exercises that didn't go so well , or my personal favourite when the us told us we got this and attacked a certain desert city and they didn't need help ,then we had to go rescue them and their jet helicopters that they flew low level over a desert ,t h ey almost got halfway😂😂. Imagine if they had suitcase nukes or biological weapons on the planes that hit the towers.
once bitten. , twice iradiated.
With that number of aircraft in the sky the risk of a collision with a civilian aircraft would be very high.
Nice when the otherside first informs you they will attack, and still...
On a day of your choosing😊
This year 2024.. 1 thousand 500 USA troops had a simulated battle against 100 British royal Marines... not only were the US troops forced to surrender but surrendered early... america has the biggest army but they need to up their strategy because we need each other
These days we can do the same via Super Computers whilst keeping all commercial flights flying. Back then was no virtual reality or computers and they had to use real Aircraft (thus why commercial flights where grounded) otherwise there may have been a crash between a bomber or jet and a commercial plane.
When you said someone could buy an old Falcon and use it these days (would not work, the missiles US and other Nations have now can reach these aircraft 600+ miles away) and now we have Satellite's to detect incoming aircraft and bombs, unlike in the 1960's.
Definitely something you would hide if there are gaps in air defence. Nothing you'd advertise.
It was covered up because they didn't want the Russians to know how effective their defence was, and they didn't want people to panic. The American government had insisted their air defence was almost perfect. Obviously for reassurance and to keep the Russians at bay.
It's amazing to think that these aeroplanes were designed in the 1940's and operating by the 50's
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Watch HM Royal Marines Beat US Marines
Something like a massive chemical fire… twice?
exacly mate they closed the air space down to give themselves an advantage. which was an unfair advantage in many peoples views. but hey it didnt help. But to be fair the Vulcan bomber was the most advanced bomber of its time and no one else including America had anything like it"Way back in the days when England made great things. like the concord retired before anything could proceed it. The same as the Legendary Harrier jump Jet. yes it was slow but could almost stop in mid flight and change direction( something that Argentina found out rather quickly during dog fights over the Falklands) and vertical take offs even in rough seas. Now thats gone with nothing to replace it too. Now we make hardly anything to be proud of its very sad
This is why it wasn’t public for years in case Russia tried it
Don't underestimate the British.
Which incidentally was famously said by mikhail Gorbachev...
I don't think they shut down air traffic to make the job easier, but to make sure it was safe for those civilians. Radars should know the difference between aircraft these days
Years ago I worked WPC fast craft ferries. One shift we had there was an excersize being conducted with RN and NATO vessels. We were a clear 50+ miles from their perimeter but it was still close enough for them to really do a number on our nav radar. All we had was patchy very low resolution so we were still getting return on land and large vessels ahead but really struggling to see smaller vessels like fishing boats, couldn't see floating debris like trees etc and completely blind in the navy's direction which was bad for the return trip because we had our bow onto them part of the way. It was bad enough that if it hadn't been clear weather with good visibility, we'd have cancelled. It was a busy day for bridge lookouts and thumping headache by the end of that shift 😂
Training excercises
Don't worry they also nuked Australia and yes they deliberately nuked one of your islands as a test. ... Between 1952 and 1963 the British Government, with the agreement and support of the Australian Government, carried out nuclear tests at three sites in Australia - the Monte Bello Islands off the Western Australian coast, and at Emu Field and Maralinga in South Australia.... Britain launched negotiations with the US on a treaty under in which both could share information and material to design, test and maintain their nuclear weapons. This effort culminated in the 1958 US-UK Mutual Defence Agreement. One of the results of that treaty was that Britain was allowed to use United States' Nevada Test Site for testing their designs and ideas, and received full support from the personnel there, in exchange for the data "take" from the experiment, a mutual condition. In effect the Nevada Test Site became Britain's test ground, subject only to advance planning and integrating their testing into that of the United States. This resulted in 24 underground tests at the Nevada
it is insane to think Britain could have wiped the US off the map with just 8 bombers, Britain had 134 of these bombers, imagine all of them at once. tiny island wiping a super power out. Nukes really do level the playing field in a spectacular way. it's frightening. The US focuses too much on money, Russia too much on manpower and smaller countries like France and the UK on technology and highly specialised units with superior training.
The USA has a unique way of improving their defenses. They stop asking anybody who wins to stop testing them. Then they only train alongside those nations.
The heavily biased test was without other aircraft, in a fixed timescale with you knowing we're and who the enemy was, and you still failed. The second time you increased resources 3x more and still failed even though the approach was identical to the previous exercise.
To fix it in the end you just didn't do the test you were failing. The truth is any country so big is indefensible and has holes in any attempt to defend it.
The only benefit the Americas has is geographical isolation, the rest of the world is thousands of miles away. It's not worth the trouble. They had to piss-off the Japanese to have a go at them, and even then it was a US territory two-thousand miles from mainland USA.
No America was embarrassed losing twice
Unfortunately US military leaders think foreign military think like they do. They are shocked when this is not true, as this video shows
Hate to say it but I agree on the nuke thing Charlie, I firmly believe that we'll see a nuclear attack in the near future if not all out war. The doomsday clock has never been as close to midnight as it is now.
Dr Felton has to channels, this one and another called War Stories, both are absolutely fabulous channels and if you have a GENUINE interest in history, the FACTS rather than an interpretation of facts then these channels are for you. You will learn so much from watching them, I can't recommend his channels highly enough.
meanwhile the US have lost 6 nukes and dont talk about it
They are in an Eastern mediterranian country that wants to use them on its neighbours.
Not the only ones either, Russia has lost loads.
2 in North Carolina, near Goldsboro Airbase.
Don't poke the lion. It may be old and asleep and it's claws and teeth are a bit worn, but... Don't poke the lion!
It's an exercise that Brits excel at...it's called thinking out of the box. The USA seems to think shock and awe will win the day, whereas the Brits will come up with a devious plan to throw their enemy off-guard and thereby become victorious. They built the largest empire the world has ever seen, despite being a tiny country that is roughly the size of Idaho.
British pilots also used to think and act in a standard way until they saw the unconventional Polish pilots during the Battle of Britain. The Poles ignored the standard English tactics and achieved spectacular successes and had a high pilot survivability.
@@smiechuwarte-qt8pn I agree, and the Brits took those lessons onboard and learnt from them.
@@smiechuwarte-qt8pn Yes we all know if it wasn't for the Americans the Poles Britain would not have won the war. We just laugh at you.
@@Fred-fl2fo grow up and learn some History before commenting
@@martinshepherd626 I laugh at you again. You grow up.
Never heard this
here is a thought for you, puts things in prospective, told to me 4 years ago
5 guys go on a night out for a drink, the intention is to get drunk, have a good time, the clever one, is the one that does not drink, keeps himself sober
while the other 4 get drunk, the clever one is the one person stays sober, he knows, it may kick off later in the night.
who is ready to fight and win, the 4 guys shit faced, or the one guy that is sober.
ego can take over, its not stregnth in numbers, unless that unit works in harmony, a smaller well organised force can take twice the size
your ego is americans downfall, because you think your safe, you relax your gurad get shit faced, but there are holes and failures, gaps in your defense
5 guys going out sober, is a much stronger force
I wouldn't say someone who goes out for a night on the town knowing they're guaranteed to have a fight is smart. They're a thug.
04:30 in. Exactly, why do "a real life exercice" if you ground all the other flights ? I didn't even think of it (shame on me) until you said it... maybe there is more to that... lets see
Nuke carrying aircraft are old hat today it’s sub launched missile that is the big worry.
america buried this for fifty yrs. just goes to show how arrogant america is.
National Security, don't tell the enemy.
Tbf while the Soviets had nothing like Vulcan at the time, they were dabbling with the idea. Having a blow by blow account of what 8 RAF Vulcan's did would be all the incentive needed to throw resources behind developing something similar.
Don't tell the enemy about your failures.
Who else could you trust to do this? ….
Don't worry about the US military. According to them, no Iranian missiles hit their targets last night in Isreal. Your government wouldn't lie to you. Sleep well.
Good job that we're your ally then, eh?
Im sure things have improved considerably, given the amount of money going into military spending
The Pentagon can't account for where a couple trillion has gone over the last 30 years.
I'm pretty sure if I told you the sun was the moon and only came out at night you'd believe me.
The world is aware of the intellect of the uk
That's what we want you to believe
@@Tony-c7z9t , only facts my friend
@@Ppppppll809 the fact is the world believes what we want them to believe.
What a clickbait title the one that made this video xD Brittain never nuked America or ever tryd lmao
If you say so
Grow up and learn to spell.
@@Tony-c7z9tIt did try. In this exercise.. though it was just a simulated attack. It was a bit of an obvious hyperbole I'll agree.
We may be small but do not mess with the UK military. You will lose.
Unless you are Afghanistan..
@@reluctantheist5224 We didn’t lose. The withdrawal with no notice of US troops made their continued presence untenable. Anyway, we were not at war with Afghanistan.
@@RonSeymour1 OK. You will lose unless the situation becomes untenable and we withdraw. Agreed, it was a particular group in the country. Not even the whole country.
@@reluctantheist5224 UK troops were there to provide security for the new transitional government and to help find leaders of al-Queda. They were not fighting a war. They responded to attacks.
@@RonSeymour1 OK, you will lose unless we withdraw and stop responding to attacks, having not provided transitional security for the new Government and allow its enemy to take over.
the trouble americans have is ego, im not having a go at americans, we are friends and allies, may that continue, for one we speak the same language, and have a similiar heritage
But your trouble in america is ego, because you think your the biggest best in the world, no one can beat us,
lets go back to world war 2 for example, the might of the german army europe had fallen, only the small island called great britain, war is over, from hitlers point of few, send the planes, crush britain 6 weeks, it will be over, in general british, we dont have ego, we done boast, as hitler found out, we kept quiet, did not sell our ego our might, we quietly went about what needed to be done
pearl harbour for example, the might of the americans,no one will mess with us, yet you got taken by suprise, 2 years into a global war
then this video oepration sky sheild, yeah 99% great, but busted twice,
the reason is, you guys have never had to defend the US from outside forces, trying to take your country, your freedom,, breedss ego
Are you drunk?. Your grammar is awful.
the Vulcan was a truly impressive aircraft for the time, when you think that this was first flown in the 50's it's astonishing.
Although a heavy 4 engined bomber, it thought it was a fighter🙂. On it's first public showing it showed off its performance, for which the test pilot (Roy Chadwick) was told off .... because "bombers don't do aerobatics" If you would like to see just how impressive this aircraft was, watch these two short clips.of the last flying Vulcan on it's farewell flight round Britain before being permanently grounded. ua-cam.com/video/d4H_6_tp42Y/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/hKDM0KvzYPI/v-deo.html