I have 2 SSA-Es and 6 MBT-2Ses. Coming from my first AR that had a slightly creepy 6 or 6.5 lbs single stage trigger, the MBT-2S was a huge improvement. I think a 4.5 lbs pull weight is the sweet spot for a "combat" trigger. Back when the MBT-2S could be bought for $80-100, it was a no-brainer. I wouldn't pay anywhere near full price for an SSA-E, but when you can get them when they're on sale for $140-160, it's a far more palatable purchase.
Yeah, I saw that PA had them for 245 and I was like what!?! That’s insane! A good $150 trigger for sure! As stated I like the MBT, but it definitely isn’t my preferred and I like the SSA-E waaaayyyyy more than the Larue.
@@shootintheshtpodcast I think I just slightly prefer the MBT-2S due to how inexpensive it was and the fact that I've been shooting with it for longer than the SSA-E. That said, I do think the reset on the SSA-E is slightly better than the MBT-2S's reset. The SSA-E's reset feels a little more positive. It's not something I notice when I'm actually shooting, but it's definitely noticeable when dry firing the triggers next to each other.
100% agree. I ran both flat and curved MBTs for thousands of rounds. Good overall triggers but the SSA-E is better in my opinion, feels more crisp. I wouldn’t pay full price for one but for $150 to $160 when they are one sale I think they are a no brainer
I agree, I like them on the sale price, but the full price is a bit much imho. The MBT just seems like it could’ve been such a better trigger and it wasnt
@@shootintheshtpodcast I know what you mean. I fell into the hype and thought the MBT2S was better than the SSA-E without ever having tried it. Once I did I was hooked
I have several versions of the Geissele triggers. The SSA-E is great for Bench Rest shooting. But I feel it’s too light for everything else. I’m a huge fan of the SSA but to be honest, once I got a G2S for $115 I never looked back. It’s a great trigger. I plan on getting more when I see sales. But my favorite Geissele is the SSF. 😎
G2S is the same as the SSA regarding trigger pull weight. Only difference is the G2S has a “batch” QC verses the SSA and all other Geissele are individually inspected. Cost savings of only checking a few in a batch vs all of them is then passed onto the consumer. Once I found that out, and knowing how “top notch” everything Geissele makes, I’m happy saving the $ and going with the basic G2S. The pull feels the same to me between the 2.
I don’t hate you! I hate that we have so many choices. I actually had the, actually I still have, ssa/x. Only 100 rounds or less on this one. Watched many videos and read enough about the Larue when I was considering it a year ago, and was convinced that due to the material would be a more durable option. That is why I did purchase one however it is the curved version and since purchasing this last year I’ve bought other triggers with flat face I have come to really like the flat, for now. So, been looking at purchasing the flat face Larue here recently, but have revisited given the SSAX another try and holding off on the larue. I’m not gonna say your video is staring me away from making that purchase of the Larue but may hold off now. Thanks
Your one of the few I know that likes SS. Most I've seen who used SS in the past switched once they used a good 2S. Interesting. I only use 2S, won't use SS for anything. Preference I guess.
SSA and SSA-E are the only ones I've shot for decades as well as the SD variants which is identical except flat shoe. Use to get them for 100$ when Bill use to come to the sniper comp at Bragg. He would bring boxes of em and sell them for 100 even. Haven't found anything I prefer better for any type of shooting. I do prefer the take up which is little to nothing anyway
I would like to try the SSA-e one day as a top of the line build but if I'm looking for a good deal I'd go with the g2s again as they go on sale for just a few $ more than an mbt2s i agree tho with others the larue is probably one of the best values out there for a cost effective upgrade but overall i think a g2s has a better feel and cleaner more crisp break
The ssa-e with lightning bow was just on sale(not any more) over veterans day weekend on PA for 189. Killer price. Best price I've seen on it. Full price is just too damn much.
@shootintheshtpodcast seen them on sale like 99, I want to say possibly even a tad cheaper just recently. Psa puts them on sale all the time and so does Primary arms
good review, good points, as a LaRue owner and fan, I love my LaRue trigger...what is your go to Mag company u use? I been sticking with Duramag and enjoy them.. i was never a fan of the MagPul.. and i used both of them in combat, training, and personal use and didnt like the MagPul to much..but i figured it was becuase i am just an old fud..and can accept that..lol..editted for typos..lmao old guy
I’ve never had a problem with Magpul Gen 2s and run them all the time. Non windowed. I don’t love the Gen 3s. Just a preference. I absolutely love duramag the aluminum and the steel, even though the steel one are heavy asf for a mag. I hear good stuff about the new gen of amend 2 mags, but literally have seen the previous gen’s disintegrate while people were shooting. So I just stick to what I know is good. Okay ind, Pmag, duramag, and surefeed
Just replace the trigger spring with a lighter one.....I've changed out several MBT trigger springs with Kaw Valley reduced power....I own LaRue MBTs and Geissele 2 stage variants and they're both great triggers for the money....The MBT is around $120 and you can find some Geissele models that are the same feel as LaRue for around $170.....You just need to know what spring to use.....You have the HD spring on that straight bow.....That's why you have a heavier feel.....
The MBT is running the lightest spring it has in the case. I’m not buying a reduced power spring. That could very well cause light primer strikes on military hard primers. Which I shoot a ton of. I’ll take a Geissele SSA-e over literally any trigger on the market. It just seems to work the best, and be incredible at the same time
@@shootintheshtpodcast I actually just ordered another Giessele SD-C straight bow.....With a shot show coupon I think the price was $183.00 shipped.....They are awesome I agree.....Can't you just change out the trigger spring and disconnector spring and keep the same hammer spring on the MBT? Wouldn't that keep you from having light primer strikes....
@@thomasrouh2258 it’s a possibility but the disconnector doesn’t do anything. It’s the trigger and hammer interface where the crispness comes from. The trigger spring you can change, but Larue doesn’t sell a better one
I have 3 geissele G2S and 1 Super Tricon and all my triggers are averaging 4lbs or less. I just bought the MBT -2S trigger and it comes with a heavy and light spring. Are you using the heavy spring in your review?
MBT is decent for the price but SSA-E is a better trigger. Most people that say they are as good don’t have Geissele fcg’s and are just parroting the narrative. A better comparison for the MBT is the more budget Geissele G2S. I’ve got SSA & SSA-E’s honestly I can’t tell that much of a difference in the two they are both excellent crisp FCG’s. The flat bow, X version of the SSA/SSA-E that comes on super duties is by far my favorite
I think the Larue is better than the SSA, but not the SSA-E. I have a few Geisseles even the special one on the Superduty, my favorite is an SSA-E I have in a BCM. I just got an MBT2S and I do like it, even for the increased price point of 115, it's better than the G2S. I'd look elsewhere before buying a G2S again.
I think its because you're wrong handed, lol. Just messing with you. Nice honest review. I have both and I'm good with either. MBT usually wins on new builds because of cost. I think the mbt is better compared with the ssa and not the e. The e is tough to beat for precision shooting. But i like the ssa and mbt for a "duty" trigger
Yeah, I don’t have an SSA, but I briefly thought about getting it, and went with the E instead. I may be wrong handed to you, but all of you are wrong handed to me🤣
Unfortunately the comparison is wrong If you're going to compare MBT you should be using the S S.A. Not the enhanced 2 different triggers MBT and SSA are combat grade the enhanced is to light for most in that role i have a MBT never used yet I have 12 + SSA SSAE SSF LOVE THEM but you need to compare the correct ones to be fair
@@shootintheshtpodcast i understand that I love my SSAE have many was just pointing out if you are doing a comparison video you need to compare apples to apples
@@shootintheshtpodcast not looking to get in to anything but your answer is not true SSAE is a enhancement to the SSA so modified for lighter pull the MBT is in the same class as a SSA so not apples to apples i understand you like the SSAE over the SSA so do I but if you are reviewing corvettes you can't say I have a stock one and a modified one with a supercharger and then say the modified one is faster so the stock one sucks so go shoot the SSA and you will see the MBT is similar
@@shootintheshtpodcast Notice how I said "objectively" and "empirical evidence"? I also own multiple of both triggers so your reply was null before you even typed it. Bad bait. 👎
@BassJunkie200 Yeah... problem is, when most people say one product is "objectively" or "empirically" better... theyre comparing things that arent objective. As an example, there are reasons to want longer travel AND shorter travel. There are reasons to want lighter spring weight AND heavier spring weight. There are reasons to want a light trigger (by mass) and a reason to want a heavier trigger (by mass). Neither is objectively better than the other. Both have objective qualities, and comparing those qualities against our use cases and preferences is where we subjectively decide which is better. Like... there are reasons somebody would WANT a MILSPEC trigger, and a 2 stage would be worse for their use case.
I have 2 SSA-Es and 6 MBT-2Ses. Coming from my first AR that had a slightly creepy 6 or 6.5 lbs single stage trigger, the MBT-2S was a huge improvement. I think a 4.5 lbs pull weight is the sweet spot for a "combat" trigger. Back when the MBT-2S could be bought for $80-100, it was a no-brainer. I wouldn't pay anywhere near full price for an SSA-E, but when you can get them when they're on sale for $140-160, it's a far more palatable purchase.
Yeah, I saw that PA had them for 245 and I was like what!?! That’s insane! A good $150 trigger for sure! As stated I like the MBT, but it definitely isn’t my preferred and I like the SSA-E waaaayyyyy more than the Larue.
@@shootintheshtpodcast I think I just slightly prefer the MBT-2S due to how inexpensive it was and the fact that I've been shooting with it for longer than the SSA-E. That said, I do think the reset on the SSA-E is slightly better than the MBT-2S's reset. The SSA-E's reset feels a little more positive. It's not something I notice when I'm actually shooting, but it's definitely noticeable when dry firing the triggers next to each other.
Milspec triggers work just fine
@@IMABEAST191 ewwww
@@shootintheshtpodcast 😂
I have both and prefer the SSA-E however nothing beats the MBT for $100
G2S >
Great content. Thanks for open minded opinion and honesty.
That’s all I try and do, thank you for watching and I hope you enjoy more content
Thank you. Been fighting an internal struggle deciding which one to buy.
100% agree. I ran both flat and curved MBTs for thousands of rounds. Good overall triggers but the SSA-E is better in my opinion, feels more crisp. I wouldn’t pay full price for one but for $150 to $160 when they are one sale I think they are a no brainer
I agree, I like them on the sale price, but the full price is a bit much imho. The MBT just seems like it could’ve been such a better trigger and it wasnt
@@shootintheshtpodcast I know what you mean. I fell into the hype and thought the MBT2S was better than the SSA-E without ever having tried it. Once I did I was hooked
@@shootintheshtpodcast What about the ALG triggers? It’s not quite as high end processes and it’s Bill’s wife Alice’s company.
@@J.Young808 I’m not the largest fan of the ALG ACT triggers, they are good for what they are.
I'm glad it's not just me that hates that hitch on the LaRue trigger
I have several versions of the Geissele triggers. The SSA-E is great for Bench Rest shooting. But I feel it’s too light for everything else. I’m a huge fan of the SSA but to be honest, once I got a G2S for $115 I never looked back. It’s a great trigger. I plan on getting more when I see sales.
But my favorite Geissele is the SSF. 😎
The SSF and the SSA are the same trigger just the SSF is full auto. I will grab a G2 S soon and I will test it out
G2S is the same as the SSA regarding trigger pull weight. Only difference is the G2S has a “batch” QC verses the SSA and all other Geissele are individually inspected. Cost savings of only checking a few in a batch vs all of them is then passed onto the consumer. Once I found that out, and knowing how “top notch” everything Geissele makes, I’m happy saving the $ and going with the basic G2S. The pull feels the same to me between the 2.
I don’t hate you! I hate that we have so many choices. I actually had the, actually I still have, ssa/x. Only 100 rounds or less on this one. Watched many videos and read enough about the Larue when I was considering it a year ago, and was convinced that due to the material would be a more durable option. That is why I did purchase one however it is the curved version and since purchasing this last year I’ve bought other triggers with flat face I have come to really like the flat, for now. So, been looking at purchasing the flat face Larue here recently, but have revisited given the SSAX another try and holding off on the larue. I’m not gonna say your video is staring me away from making that purchase of the Larue but may hold off now. Thanks
Your one of the few I know that likes SS. Most I've seen who used SS in the past switched once they used a good 2S. Interesting. I only use 2S, won't use SS for anything. Preference I guess.
SSA and SSA-E are the only ones I've shot for decades as well as the SD variants which is identical except flat shoe. Use to get them for 100$ when Bill use to come to the sniper comp at Bragg. He would bring boxes of em and sell them for 100 even. Haven't found anything I prefer better for any type of shooting. I do prefer the take up which is little to nothing anyway
The take up on the SSAE is almost nothing and the brake is lovely! I now wish bill would come sell me triggers for 100 even 🤣
@shootintheshtpodcast August next year come on never to Bragg 😁
I would like to try the SSA-e one day as a top of the line build but if I'm looking for a good deal I'd go with the g2s again as they go on sale for just a few $ more than an mbt2s i agree tho with others the larue is probably one of the best values out there for a cost effective upgrade but overall i think a g2s has a better feel and cleaner more crisp break
I haven’t run the g2s but I’ll think I’ll grab it for a build soon
The ssa-e with lightning bow was just on sale(not any more) over veterans day weekend on PA for 189. Killer price. Best price I've seen on it. Full price is just too damn much.
@shootintheshtpodcast seen them on sale like 99, I want to say possibly even a tad cheaper just recently. Psa puts them on sale all the time and so does Primary arms
primary arms puts the G2S for $100-$129 not the SSA/E-X flat bow. They are MSRP $349
@@Civiliansoldier762 well I was able to get a Geissele G2S enhanced by Brownells, so that’s going in my new Griffin MK2 lower I’m getting soon
I run an SD3G on my main 10.5 and an MBT 2S flat on my backup 11.5... love both, but I prefer the SD3G.
Well, I like two stage curved triggers I immediately know this isn't gonna be my video lol
@@JP-of8uq 🤣🤣🤣 probably not, I’m sorry it’s not your thing. Hope you stick around for other videos
Great review but off topic question. What foregrip are you running? Do you like it?
@@r12clark I have been running the Unity VFG, I really like it. But I have broke one… Unity did replace it
@@shootintheshtpodcast Thanks, I'll take a look at it and I've been leaning towards the BCM.
So The MBT with the JP reduced power spring set is the best of all worlds
good review, good points, as a LaRue owner and fan, I love my LaRue trigger...what is your go to Mag company u use? I been sticking with Duramag and enjoy them.. i was never a fan of the MagPul.. and i used both of them in combat, training, and personal use and didnt like the MagPul to much..but i figured it was becuase i am just an old fud..and can accept that..lol..editted for typos..lmao old guy
I’ve never had a problem with Magpul Gen 2s and run them all the time. Non windowed. I don’t love the Gen 3s. Just a preference. I absolutely love duramag the aluminum and the steel, even though the steel one are heavy asf for a mag. I hear good stuff about the new gen of amend 2 mags, but literally have seen the previous gen’s disintegrate while people were shooting. So I just stick to what I know is good. Okay ind, Pmag, duramag, and surefeed
Just replace the trigger spring with a lighter one.....I've changed out several MBT trigger springs with Kaw Valley reduced power....I own LaRue MBTs and Geissele 2 stage variants and they're both great triggers for the money....The MBT is around $120 and you can find some Geissele models that are the same feel as LaRue for around $170.....You just need to know what spring to use.....You have the HD spring on that straight bow.....That's why you have a heavier feel.....
The MBT is running the lightest spring it has in the case. I’m not buying a reduced power spring. That could very well cause light primer strikes on military hard primers. Which I shoot a ton of. I’ll take a Geissele SSA-e over literally any trigger on the market. It just seems to work the best, and be incredible at the same time
@@shootintheshtpodcast I actually just ordered another Giessele SD-C straight bow.....With a shot show coupon I think the price was $183.00 shipped.....They are awesome I agree.....Can't you just change out the trigger spring and disconnector spring and keep the same hammer spring on the MBT? Wouldn't that keep you from having light primer strikes....
@@thomasrouh2258 it’s a possibility but the disconnector doesn’t do anything. It’s the trigger and hammer interface where the crispness comes from. The trigger spring you can change, but Larue doesn’t sell a better one
I have 3 geissele G2S and 1 Super Tricon and all my triggers are averaging 4lbs or less. I just bought the MBT -2S trigger and it comes with a heavy and light spring. Are you using the heavy spring in your review?
No, I threw it away. Light spring only.
Larue is heavier due to being machined vs cast like G trigger
If it’s good enough for SOCOM it’s probably a good choice.
MBT is decent for the price but SSA-E is a better trigger. Most people that say they are as good don’t have Geissele fcg’s and are just parroting the narrative. A better comparison for the MBT is the more budget Geissele G2S. I’ve got SSA & SSA-E’s honestly I can’t tell that much of a difference in the two they are both excellent crisp FCG’s. The flat bow, X version of the SSA/SSA-E that comes on super duties is by far my favorite
I think the Larue is better than the SSA, but not the SSA-E. I have a few Geisseles even the special one on the Superduty, my favorite is an SSA-E I have in a BCM. I just got an MBT2S and I do like it, even for the increased price point of 115, it's better than the G2S. I'd look elsewhere before buying a G2S again.
I think its because you're wrong handed, lol. Just messing with you. Nice honest review.
I have both and I'm good with either. MBT usually wins on new builds because of cost. I think the mbt is better compared with the ssa and not the e. The e is tough to beat for precision shooting. But i like the ssa and mbt for a "duty" trigger
Yeah, I don’t have an SSA, but I briefly thought about getting it, and went with the E instead.
I may be wrong handed to you, but all of you are wrong handed to me🤣
@@shootintheshtpodcastI’m supposed to be wrong handed because I’m left-eye dominant and someone made me right handed.
Larp is love, larp is life! MBT gang!
All we do is LARP
What about MBT vs the SSA?
When I get an SSA I’ll do that video
What optic is that you're running on the BRN 180?
I think I ran a few, but the Aimpoint Duty RDS and the Promethian LP1
@@shootintheshtpodcast Thanks!
@@xupermagnum12 no problem
What gun are you running in the video?
The Brownells 13.9 inch BRN-180 with code BF15 it’s hugely on sale right now.
616 checking in
Where can we find the ssa e for 150 on bf?
Brownells had it for that this past Black Friday, I think total I paid 165
@@shootintheshtpodcast Thanks man
Veterans day sales are good too.
Primary Arms has it on sale right now for memorial day for $140
@@HorrorFXDesigns Got 2 Larue MBT2S haha
Unfortunately the comparison is wrong If you're going to compare MBT you should be using the S S.A. Not the enhanced 2 different triggers MBT and SSA are combat grade the enhanced is to light for most in that role i have a MBT never used yet I have 12 + SSA SSAE SSF LOVE THEM but you need to compare the correct ones to be fair
If I don’t like the MBT why would I buy an SSA? I like the SSAE and it’s the same price
@@shootintheshtpodcast i understand that I love my SSAE have many was just pointing out if you are doing a comparison video you need to compare apples to apples
@@sepul6667 I compared apples to apples, it’s larues fault for not making a better apple
@@shootintheshtpodcast not looking to get in to anything but your answer is not true SSAE is a enhancement to the SSA so modified for lighter pull the MBT is in the same class as a SSA so not apples to apples i understand you like the SSAE over the SSA so do I but if you are reviewing corvettes you can't say I have a stock one and a modified one with a supercharger and then say the modified one is faster so the stock one sucks so go shoot the SSA and you will see the MBT is similar
You are comparing a $245 trigger against a $110 trigger.
As stated in the video, it regularly goes on sale for 150-160. Also watch the last minute of the video.
This video is bait.
The Larue is objectively better and there is empirical evidence to support it.
Not bait, just don’t be emotionally tied to a product and you won’t feel attacked.
@@shootintheshtpodcast Notice how I said "objectively" and "empirical evidence"?
I also own multiple of both triggers so your reply was null before you even typed it.
Bad bait. 👎
@@BassJunkie200 👏
@BassJunkie200
Yeah... problem is, when most people say one product is "objectively" or "empirically" better... theyre comparing things that arent objective.
As an example, there are reasons to want longer travel AND shorter travel. There are reasons to want lighter spring weight AND heavier spring weight. There are reasons to want a light trigger (by mass) and a reason to want a heavier trigger (by mass).
Neither is objectively better than the other. Both have objective qualities, and comparing those qualities against our use cases and preferences is where we subjectively decide which is better.
Like... there are reasons somebody would WANT a MILSPEC trigger, and a 2 stage would be worse for their use case.
crazy
SSA-E or EX.
Saved a click. Not even a debate.