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Incredibly refreshing to see pundits from neutral countries taking the time to watch the games and give the wider picture some thought. Loved watching these players and now as pundits
Exactly, very obvious John Kirwin and the other bald bloke don't watch any northern rugby. However, I guess because both schalk and dv played in Europe they naturally have more of an interest in European rugby.
@@MrDindando yep. I know they've got skin in the game but considering it's there job I genuinely can't believe how little research some pundits do, it's not graft they just have to watch games, Mike tindall and James Haskell are the same as well so it's not just JK and Goldy, then there's matt Williams....
Came here for this comment. My sentiments exactly 👏🏾
Thanks mate, its what us sports lovers do.
@@MrDindando so you are saying sir John Kirwan who played and coached in Europe and whose wife is italian and whose kid lives and plays in Italy doesn't know or care about european rugby or the six nations?
The bok fans should listen to these guys. Respectfully knowledgeable and fair.
Just a thought. You should get Eggchasers on the show when Ireland is touring SA later this year.
That would be awesome!
Nah Eggchasers will be busy winning in NZ
You'd all pick a tour to NZ over SA, let's just be honest here
@@DazBag78 ISN'T IT STRANGE THAT EVERY PLAYER OF CLASS INTERVIEW IN THE PAST HAS SAID THE BEST TOUR OF ALL IS SA
Best rugby show out there at the moment. Very natural and comfortable, with fantastic insights.
Look up Eggchaser, he's pretty accurate and unbiased
@@patrickhorgan8389agreed. But different type of analysis when you hearing from players who played at the highest level.
You can NEVER go wrong from that channel. Tim is a top bloke. Highly recommended from me😉
PHAKA.
@@Durkkelleher😂 now that's a show
Love hearing the opinions of these legends. Very insightful and fair. Greetings from England!
love these boys, always fair and insightful. Regards from England
Irishman here. Loved this. Very fair, very accurate. I don't know where Ireland go from here. It generally is the 'monster' sides that we have trouble with, the South Africas, the French and the English. The La Rochelles in the club games. And of course the All Blacks for a different reason. Ireland has come a long way. We are regularly getting wins over these teams, but NOT when it's the crunch game that makes history. We have been so close though, all one score losses. We just have to find that little bit extra. And if some idiot comes on and says that we are 'chokers'! Choking is NOT turning up and these Irish sides HAVE turned up, but just can't quite get it over the line.
I do worry that this might happen to Leinster again this year, as the Irish side looked a bit tired the last two matches, and there's still a lot of rugby to go in the season. And I do fear that the Irish lads could be out of fuel altogether by the time we go to South Africa.
I hope that I am wrong, but I have a gut feeling that things could go belly up!!
England played exactly the same way as they did against Scotland, just without 22 handling errors and 23 turnovers.
The ruck speed vs Ireland was a big shift
Please God they can compete like that against the French. That'll suit me if they compete. It'll be great if they win but it's going to be incredibly difficult. Of course, if they lose the vultures will be circling. Mainly Celtic.
I am glad they kept teh boks office going.
How refreshing to listen to a knowledgeable neutral review
Ireland is like the classic Proteas cricket team: they are consistent between tournaments, fails more often than not at do or die tournament games.
Perfect
No, only WC knockouts. They wouldn't be Grand Slam champions if They couldn't do it in tournaments in general. The England game wasn't a do-or-die. They pretty much already had the title in the bag. It was just one game in the Six Nations
Lol. I made that comparison last year.
That's a very overused storyline. And it's not all that accurate. The last world cup was the only one where Ireland were ranked in the top 4. They were not ranked to get to the semis in all the other world cups
It wasnt a do-or-die game. As for being failures at tournaments it's probable they will have won the 6 nations twice in a row this weekend...All going well of course :).
Great analysis again. But, as an Ireland fan, I would suggest that it's not fair to ask what went wrong for Ireland. It should be more about what went right for England. I feel that Ireland weren't quite at the best but that is mainly because England played really well and they deserve a lot of credit for that
Been waiting for these guys to get together again and speak about that game after their comments before the game. Great talk as usual with some really good points as usual. Just one comment i think is interesting when they were talking about did they win because of emotion. Personally as an England fan who watch all their games, with the new defence coach Felix Jones and attack coach Richard Wigglesworth, i feel like they are starting to play differently to last year and differently from the world cup.
They are defiantly playing more ball in hand and trying to get the wingers more involved. Ireland kicked more than England which a few months ago before new coaches would never of happened, England would've out kicked Ireland probably by more than double. Another showing of how much England looked to carry and keep the ball rather than kicking was the carries and metres made, England had 30 more carries with almost 400 metres more carried and almost 300 metres gained. They tried doing the same to Scotland, problem was in this ireland game England had 7 handling errors and in the Scotland game it was over 20, that's why it looked so rough. This game was executed way better.
The new coaches did say it would take around 15 test matches after the world cup to full implement their coaching. As an England fan i'd never get carried away with this win and i still think Ireland deserve to win the 6 Nations and are still a class above England, i just think England are on a good path right now and i hope it continues with this brand of rugby.
For the good of the game we all hope England get better. Same with Australia. However, it’s only one game so we will need to see how England progress of the coming games.
Love this show. You guys are Legendary and Love Jean De Villiers's humour😂
England played very, very well. Credit to them for a great performance. It’s been a long time coming.
Hmmm I don’t think they played very very well. It was good but ireland forgot to how to play how they usually play
@@Sineadhawk Are you Irish?
@@Sineadhawk Rubbish they kept Ireland quiet.
@@dulls8475 how 😂? Yes England definitely played better than they have been playing but ireland absolutely did not play half as good as they usually do
@@Sineadhawk How arrogant are you 🤣
Irish lad here - love the chats and perspectives. Very true point about Leinster and Ireland - think the key is the other provinces need to step up and also they need to solidify their set piece (scrum line-out) - when the game gets tight they can’t rely on these platforms. Larochelle and England and NZ shut down our lineout which = inconsistent and not reliable ball
@@DazBag78I don’t think they were arrogant here at all- I actually like their perspective. But respect to England too, from Ireland
Shumi, Jean en Schalk, I love the pods but Im properly homesick and would thorouly enjoy you guys at an outdoor venue with a braai going on in the background with some beautiful mountain, sea or architectural scene from around Cape Town as a backdrop. Im from Somerset West so the Helderberg would be sublime. Just I thought, tourist ambassadors nogall.
Great show, brilliant insight and commentary. Legends!!
Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪
See you in the Autumn
@@DazBag78lol, yet the tourists come in their tens of thousands for our sun, meat and wine ;)
The Breakdown Show , can take some notes from this on how to objectively quantify Rugby games.
Jk and Goldie only watch nz rugby, they know nothing about northern rugby
Love the show. Keep up the good work boys
It's more England won it, than Ireland lost, to be fair. A tight test match that was good for the 6 Nations as a whole.
Well said 👏
I'm Irish, playing England in Twickenham is never easy. Forget the stupid pundits, everyone who follows the 6N expected England to bring it, they always do against Ireland. It's like a derby rivalry. England edged it, tight game, no complaints. I say fair play and well done England 👏
So impressed with these guys. English not one of their first languages mind you! 😅
Exactly. They're both from Paarl but are well spoken in English
@@steventheron3217 Shimmy's first language is not English either 😅
As an Irish fan, you've got to give England huge credit. Full on rugby
Best Rugby Podcast,keep it coming Legends👏👏👏
The games that Ireland have lost in recent times have been at the hands of teams that elevated their performances to some of their best in years, take England and New Zealand. So I think for Ireland, they are improving and racking up the wins but perhaps unluckily falling short in the big games not solely because of underperforming but largely because the team they have faced has elevated their game on the day and its been enough to beat Ireland.
Its important to remember that this is a recent phenomenon in Irish rugby. You don't have to go back too long to see Ireland getting hammered by New Zealand in the quarterfinal in 2019. Last two losses have been by 5 points combined, so these haven't been blow out embarrassments, I think that's where you can see the development of this Irish team. We're certainly not there yet and have a long way to go but the improvements are noticeable.
That may be true, but this Irish team have developed a habit of losing the biggest games. Will be interesting to see if the team can overcome this mental defect. Or if becomes even more entrenched.
I'm not sure if twice can be considered a habit. This Irish team has its own legacy and has lost one very big game to an incredible NZ performance and one big game to an incredible England performance so I think its a bit more complicated. Credit has to be given to the teams Ireland have faced.
I think its easy to get lost in history and see all the quarterfinal losses and paint it as a habit but each team is different. @@Zion66666
This Ireland team is not getting any younger; Aki 34; lowe 31; hensaw 31; ringrose 29; jgp 32; the capt 34 furlong 32. Time is ticking. On Saturday you could see lowe speed has dropped significantly since super rugby days. Looked slow. In fact Ireland's backline look really slow to me.
Ireland beat France in France to start our Six Nations success.....that was the biggest result in the tournament. Also were the only team to beat Sth Africa in WRC.
Such intelligent commentary. Proud to be SA
Englands performance has been building for some time
We have been making a lot of handling errors in previous games and those handling just clicked this time
I think schalks rugby brain is a little wasted on punditry as much as i do enjoy his insights.he needs to be directly involved somehow
Last comment in video ‘costing Ireland to win titles’. The guys have forgotten that Ireland are going for back to back championships this weekend.
Yep bit dumb aren't they?
Where can we watch the full Boks office episodes ?
Irish fan here, interested to hear what non irish fans suggest beeds to be changed, tactics or personal. We seem to have an extremely effective way of playing but dont have a plan b when the breakdown is slow and messy. When we kicked against eng our kick chase was very poor and just encouraged the eng back 3 to run through big gaps. I think the summer tour to SA will force us to develop a plan b
Brilliant question as a South African, Ireland have the best national rugby system currently however they don't produce the world class talent year in year out so they will always be a good team and sometimes be a great team. The big difference for them in the modern game is fate or luck they can't will a game by force to be theirs and that is something that they need to work on.
So if you study sport this is a common problem that top level athletes face in that it is easy to be one of the top three but to beat the best or no 1 at will is much harder. A big thing Ireland and New Zealand must sacrifice to be number one is style or "pretty rugby" you have to be able to grind out games. One thing that has made Warren Gatland great with Wales was that he didn't always had the best team and that they weren't always well prepared but they had fight and heart.
Ireland weren't out coached or out played against England. England wanted it more.
Another problem with Ireland is that their players are over coached from ground up. They don't think on their feet like the Aussies or rely on skill like the All Blacks to the death. They rely on a game plan and the team but to be the best you have to have at least 5 - 7 world class players in your team so that 1 or 2 can be brilliant on that day. When you over coach a team you take that brilliance away from them.
What Ireland need to do is to build a bigger younger squad based on confidence rather than experience through their 4 year rwc cycle that way at the beginning of the rugby world cup they can select the best in form team, because they will have enough battle hardened experience and are hungry enough for the win.
So basically if Andy Farrell go with experience this year in the June series against the Springboks they are already behind on winning the next world cup. He needs to pirck a young group that will learn from the South Africa series, to take that into the next world cup. He instead will be taking a too experience squad trying to achieve a historic result, that might be admirable yet still futile you are playing the 4 times World Cup Champions in SA at Loftus on day 1.
@franko2053 wow man, wasn't expecting such an insightful answer so thanks. From my perspective, i totally agree that ire needs to be brave on the tour to SA and give a few young guys a start. However because we have had such limited success (Wales, franch and England all have better 6 nations and world cup records than us as dont even mention our summer tour records) it's very hard for us to take big gambles on selection rather than being conservative and increasing our chance of pulling of a series win.
Because we have a small player base (which we are doing an excellent job in maximising) we have always tended to struggle to have depth in every position. We are getting better re our squad depth as the sport is becoming more popular and the other teams aside from leinster are also improving their underage pathways, however i dont see a day where we have the same quality and quantity that SA, AB or france have. Also a nation we don't really produce big guys (in particular front row) so that limits our options.
I always think that the team with the best squad will win the world cup. Ireland could do everything right but one or two injuries and we are fecked where as SA,ABand france will have guys of the same standard to replace the injured players.
I also meant to say that ur also spot on re the type of players ireland select in order to fit our game plan. If u look at our backs, aside from keenan we don't have players who have amazing speed and beat a guy on the outside or can conjure up a moment of individual brilliance to turn a game like kolbe.
@@franko2053 you hit the nail on the head. Ireland will go into the South African series, treating it as something that they absolutely have to win, whereas the springboks will be using it to blood players for the next 2 to 3 years. I loss for South Africa won’t mean as much as a loss for Ireland.
That said, your point about the first test being at Loftus. Loftus is the hardest place for any international team to come and beat South Africa.
@@101MIGHTYJOE I think winning rwc cups comes a lot down to luck. But as they say you make your own luck. Ireland will need to recruit a new generation of project players to strengthen their squad for the next rwc. I can't see Bundee Aki making it to the next one. And what they can do is take the URC games against SA teams much more seriously. If i was the Irish coaches I would focus less on phase play and momentum, instead get all the franchise teams battle hardened and set a bigger focus on counter attack. Ireland should be imitating the 1999 rwc Wallabies at all times. That Gregan Wallabies team was street smart they could stay in game against physical teams and just score tries at a whim's notice. I would say Ireland would stand a chance to win a world cup when Munster can win the Heineken cup back to back.
Very astute comments and fully agree that there is a pattern in the big losses with Ireland, if a team come out with superior emotion and intent, Ireland become inhibited, they don't panic and often find their way back into games without really hitting their potential, SA v England at the WC was similar to Saturday with both SA and Ireland edging in front with a few minutes left, SA stop England, Ireland kick possession away and defend poorly, they just freeze a little when things get tight.
Good to hear these perspectives. However, a difference of 6 points in total over two matches (NZ in World Cup and recently against England) is the difference for Ireland between probably winning the Grand Slam, progressing to the semis in the World Cup (and probably the final), being on a 23 match winning streak or being considered as bottlers. Both NZ and England played really well in those matches and scraped through. The Boks who won the WC lost to Ireland i.e. even they have bad days at the office. Rather than condemning the whole team, I think a few players made a few errors or bad decisions on the day and while normally those setbacks can be overcome in a match against England they didn't manage to do that. It's not doom and gloom but yes, still plenty to improve.
Jean De Villliers planning a comeback? No beer for him...Schalla showing a good pace with his...Shimmy taking it slow...
This final weekend will tell a tale. Can England repeat their form away to defeat France? Can Ireland reassert their form at home to defeat Scotland ? Can Italy repeat their victory over Scotland to defeat Wales in Cardiff? Dramas ahead! Love it!
One loss BUT they can still win the competition . Not too shabby
As an Irish man there’s just nothing more to say than England played way better than us and they 100% deserved the win, I’m quite happy the Irish team have got the shock that they we are not indestructible. Ben earl fantastic game
Sidenote, very excited to play South Africa in the summer, it’s chalking up to be one of the best modern day best rivalries 🇿🇦🤝🇮🇪
I watched the game 3 times now and although England definitely improved and played more ball in hand Ireland were unlucky at crucial times. I wonder if there was a replay next week if the outcome would be the same.
England played amazing and were deserved winners. Its also worth noting the 6-2 bench backfired for Ireland in the first minutes of the game.
Ek like julle kwaai ! Kan nie wag om dai iere te trap later in jaar nie.
Wow the humble pie is strong in this one haha
Very fair comments, these pundits are good and very well informed.
The 6-2 split killed us when we got Nash injured, putting our 9 to 15 detoured our natural game , our backs were out on there legs and started missing tackles, but our Manager got everything wrong but We looked old , no energy, really Tired looking team, even though we beat Scotland we need to blood 20 year olds and sacrifice losses, we need new fresh legs at 10 , 13, 15 and 6 , we need to blood the under 20s that lost the World Cup to France , start over , winning with old players is fools gold!
That’s why the game against France will be so interesting, it will tell us if it’s a genuine progression by England, or a one-off. England need to back up that Ireland result this weekend or it will count for little.
They've had their three good years, a dozen of their players are over 30. They have to start again.
Their junior teams have been brilliant though as well. They are going to be a real force for a while I feel.
Lads you talk about big games Leinster four champs cup wins lreland last year grand slams and Munster u.r.c champs
Winning the 6 nations is what you want, winning a grandslam is a bonus so ireland did fine
Hang on, Quinlan, having a pop at Italy for having 2 Argentinians! Gibson- Park, Aki, Lowe, Van de Flier.
Hansen, Stander, Herring, etc
I don't think Quinlan goes to the comments section. Try sending a letter to his TV channel
Not irelands fault SA players have a better quality of life in our country
@@SKILLAGEREALmore money yes, not better quality of life for sure.
This might sound stupid. In comparison england being painted the worst can be said the same about the sharks. They are being painted into a media light of buying big guns and the leadership and and and same as Borthwick and pluimboom. I understand it is 6N but can we draw the same comparison with the urc?
At least England were stil winning. I don't know man, there is something very wrong at the sharks. Don't even think u can solely blame plumtree. The players also need some accountability
Irish fan here. I see a lot of comments saying that ireland think they’re the best team in the world atm (not here, but kind of just floating around the internet). Can anybody tell me who’s saying that? It’s certainly not the team or the fans. Is it our idiot pundits? It could be our moronic journalists-that sounds like the click-baity shite they’d write.
No it’s just some fans comments or possibly an Irish podcast which then on social media then becomes allegedly a narrative for the Irish Team. The Irish Team and Farrell have been very respectful in the media and in the conference throughout the 6 Nations.
This sort of thing happens all the time, it happened with England in the 2019 RWC, I think it was Dawson or an ex player commented that England would win the RWC and it was presented as a quote from the England camp despite them being on a media ban.
No team is going to announce they are the world’s best or predict a win, it comes from fans. The notion that a team press office would release a comment like that is ridiculous. Anyone that believes these sorts of comments are either gullible or stupid
Ireland were a little unlucky with injuries during the game,but more than that,Ireland got into a kick battle a little to much
*too
The amount of cope online has been jaw dropping since this game was played.😂 The mental gymnastics people need to do to keep the claim that Ireland is the best team in the world is at a crescendo.
They win with class and they lose with class. I think that's why so many people like to have a pop at them. For me win lose or draw they are the best team in the world. And I take it as a huge compliment that so many people take issue with that. So thanks
I’m French and even I agree they are the best team in the world. They are by far the most consistent, and have played a style of rugby that is beautiful to watch. I don’t really care what people say about South Africa. They are pretty boring and their fans say ‘we play cup rugby’. Ok great good for you. Ireland still beat you. They softened up New Zealand for you too so enjoy it. But I’d rather watch Ireland play, and I think they are more exciting than a team who just play one up powerball rugby.
@@LeMerch Curious, in another comment you claim to be Irish: “I’m Irish, and everyone in Ireland knows…”.
Look up duplicitous snake in the dictionary.
@@LeMerch The team that lost the quarters with 4 points is somehow better than the team that won the grand final by 1 point. You see that is the kind of mental gymnastics I was referring to. It's breathtaking that people can actually believe such idiocy
@@hannesbornman1045 Not to mention we thrashed NZ 35-7 just before the World Cup. If anything we were running on fumes in the final after the toughest route in history, but let this jumped-up Leprechaun desperately grab at a little glory. His team will never win a World Cup after all.
Everyone who went to Paarl Gym speaks good English.Schalk Jean Handre Elna.
England a long way to go. Öne swallow doesnt make a summer!!"
SA were not a bad team when they went down by a score to Ireland and Ireland are not a bad team when they go down by a score to England. The trophy game is this weekend, no trophy for a clean sweep in the world cup or six nations, ok bragging rights, but trophy incoming
They played a high stakes game that they needed to win. That’s what happened 😂
Jean is a very handsome chap, just not sure about the fade...
Historic NZ series win last year. Grand slam last year. Probably going to win the 6nations again this year. Beat South Africa at the World Cup. And countless other big victories in the last 5-7 years. This Ireland team isn’t perfect but by god they are building nicely for the next couple of years and into the future and the world knows it. They have easily been the most entertaining team to watch for probably the last 4 years now. Rugby is Irelands 4th most popular sport. With a small registered rugby player population pool compare to countries like South Africa, France & England. South Africa in particularly with 60+ million people and rugby being their number 1 sport. Likewise with NZ. It’s only a matter of time before things start to really click for Ireland in the near future especially with the amount of strength in depth they are now producing and world class coaches too. Irelands a tough nation and always has been. We are called the fighting Irish for a reason. Odds have always been stacked against us but we are now a team and country that doesn’t back down to anyone. It might not be our time now but the future is extremely bright. That goes for our clubs too.
You will be very surprised to know that rugby is not SA's number one or most popular sport and that majority of the 60+ million have football as the number 1 sport
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England were all over the "best" team in the world 😄. The stats clearly prove that. Some streamlining still needed, otherwise England could have won by a very comfortable margin. A work in progress and I'd suggest the other Tier 1 teams take note. I say this while England is my least favourite team, but I do believe in giving credit where it's due.
As an Irishman it's great that you have dropped Ireland down the rankings. Beforehand an Irish win over the boks would have dropped the boks down to number 2 in the world. Now, but your logic they drop below England.
@@gerardkelsh1011 Only you know what you're trying to say. Intelligent people know that the rankings are nothing but an extremely silly game with no merit or effect whatsoever. And, of course, always utterly outdated and skewed. The Boks, for example, will not play a single game for EIGHT months since winning RWC in October. That would leave the so-called rankings hilariously outdated by at least EIGHT months. ALL that counts in modern day rugby mate is a team's performance at Rugby World Cup, when all teams play on a level playing field, at the same venue, at the same time and with the best teams they could have assembled over four years since the previous RWC. And on that score we all know the Boks' record ... and that of Ireland. There is NO comparison whatsoever. So please, be my guest: enjoy the rankings.
@@wouterswanepoel5753 lol I think I touched a nerve. So you won't be watching the springboks play Ireland this summer since it doesn't matter. Or perhaps it might matter if you win. No of course the game doesn't matter. South Africa are foolish for playing a game that doesn't matter. Silly billies
@@gerardkelsh1011 In this day and age rankings between RWC tournaments are complete hogwash nonsense. South Africa in particular, care less about their ranking between RWCs because they use every single test in between as an opportunity to blood new players and experiment with combinations and game plans. Rassie has said so on many occasions and said only a few days ago that many new players will be blooded for the test against Wales at Twickenham in June. Does it mean the current coaches don't want to win those matches? Of course they do, but they certainly don't see losses as train smashes when blooding new players or trying out new combinations or game plans. The test the Boks lost against Wales in 2022 was a perfect example. We smashed them in the first test and then made 20 (that's TWENTY!) changes to the 23 that took them on in the second test. It was basically a Bok B team that took to the field that day. Does that sound to you like a team who cares about rankings? Perhaps the Irish should follow the Boks' lead. It has, after all, led to the Boks having an incredible record at RWC (50% win ration as against the ABs 30%) and re-established the Boks as rugby's greatest force ever.
You don’t need to mention your bias, it’s very clear 😂
they thought they won it before they actually won it
Bin Erl Propa Eh
I cant see how Ireland can be in the best in the world when they have NEVER got past the quarter finals at the tmt that decides the world champions...
The all blacks lose, south africa lose, but they learn from it and fail froward, Ireland need to start being OK with a loss like last sauturday once they fail forward
It’s coming home ??? This is Rugby union not Football😂 🤦🏻♂️
It was about time England stepped up as it’s been poor for the last 4 years. 🏴🏉.
Have to respect the South Africans, fantastic Rugby nation
Why does Quinlan constantly have to qualify everything by "I'm not saying..", "I'm not trying to ...". Just say what you have to say. Stop trying to pander to everyone. Say what you genuinely think and you'll have more credibility.
Great panel but the neil fissler rugby pass article about Ireland being too cocky was pathetic. Anyone from a rugby background in Ireland doesn't expect a game with England to be easy. Then fissler comes out with England got a Churchillian speech. Given one Churchills commands during the Irish war of independence was shot to kill anyone you feel like. Surely the soccer fan fissler could have pulled anyone else out of his arse.
I think that assessment of is both unfair and untrue. Ireland have won a lot of trophies over the last few years. They're thr current Grand Slam champions and did it against France last year when France were as their best, which was arguably a more important game than the England game as they pretty much already had the Six Nations title in the bag before the English game so it's hard to say that this was a big game as it was not a need to win game. It was just like any other Six Nations game. The French game was the big game that decided the title and they did it in Frence, but by the time of the English game, they had done enough to pretty much secure the title, so the English game can hardly be defined as a big game like the QF game. It was not a knockout game or a game that decided the tournament. If that had won the game theft would have secured the title with a match to spare but they already had the title as the only way they can list the title is if Scotland wins abf denies them a bonus point and England beats France by a bonus point, which means it would need trash unlikely scanarios to knock them, not just a defeat to Scotland.
The QF is generally the only big games they struggle with, outside of the WC they've been very successful at adding to their trophy cabinet.
The way these guys are talking you'd think they can't win any titles. They are the Grand Slam champions and winning back-to-back Grand Slams has never been done in thr Six Nations era, so it's hardly a poor reflection on them they couldn't do what no team has done. They will be back-to-back Six Nations champions and that in itself is something that has only happened about twice in the Six Nations era. This has only been their second defeat since winning the NZ series in 2022 and those two defeats were by very small margins. Every team in history has lost games but no team only Ireland has only lost 2 games in two years since Richie McCaw's 2015 winning All Blacks. Ireland deserve more credit than that. If SA goes and loses to Argentina or Australia in the Rugby Championship this year I doubt we'll hear these criticising then that the only trophy they can win is the WC but lose every other tournament so can't be considered as great as NZ who can also win trophies between WCs. I think there's a lot of subtle anti-Irish Saffa bias in these pundits.
The criticism of Ireland's failure in WCs is a fair one and it's factual but to say they struggle in big games in general and have an empty trophy cabinet as a result is simply factually untrue. That wouldn't be the only team in the professional era to win a NZ series or be current Grand Slam champions with only two defeats in 2 years if they can't win the big games. They can't win WC knockout games, that's their only obstacle, but they've been very successful with everything else.
You clearly don’t know them.Jean in the past had always spoken highly of Ireland and his time at Munster.Schalk will give his honest opinion and gets along very well with most people.Nobody in SA thinks one game makes Ireland a poor side.They are one of the top three sides in the world.Reconsider your opinion of Saffas.
That's not what they said. Both Ireland and Leinster are brilliant teams. But if you put them under real pressure mentally in crucial games they can be beaten. Like Ireland in the WC and Leinster in the URC. Doesn't mean they haven't won plenty of trophies. Doesn't mean they are chokers. Does mean that opposing teams will try to exploit it. England are not nearly as well drilled, but they did have a mental edge over them in this game. Ireland were over confident, some Irish pundits downright arrogant and they paid for it. I'm sure they will learn from it they are too good not to
Generally a well thought out comment but the only anti-Irish bias is in your head.
These guys have made similar points to yours before.
@@12Jobrown’a mental edge’
They were completely written off with nothing to lose…
Ireland is a very, very good team. Definitely amongst top 3 currently and deserved previous number 1 rankings. But winning the 6 Nation repeatedly isn't that impressive. There are regularly a lot of average to poor teams in the 6N.
Not sure your title is that accurate, Ireland won the 6 nations. May have over trained their tired bodies towards the end, that's all kids.
I think Ireland have been good but to over rated...at the World Cup SA missed 11 points from conversion and penalties..if Pollard had played we would have scored 19 or 20 points and most probably beaten them...they lack the BMT that SA and All Blacks have...
If, if,if??? Would you get a hold of yourself! The arrogance
wow.... what a muppet
You were beaten in Dublin last year and in the World Cup.. suck it in and stop making excuses
@@toconairDublin...yeah right
@@toconair If they gave out trophies for beating the world champions, Ireland would choke on that too
Ireland are mentally poor when they are favourites and start slow always and then you have guys like O Mahony who has now cost Ireland two grand slams
No they aren’t.. they lost against NZ who played their best game in years and Ireland with an off day which is rare.. but lose by just one held up try in a World Cup. And a loss against England last week sure it means no slam.. but it doesn’t matter, next week if they win they win the 6 nations.. again!
It’s because they bottlers. Pure and simple.
@@Zion66666 Im afraid i have to agree with you
What a load of bollocks. Saying Peter O Mahony cost Ireland 2 grand slams is just stupid. Firstly the try that shouldn’t have been and secondly how can you say that when they will probably win the championship. Don’t talk shit. Ireland are still a number 2 in the world full stop.
tim from eggchasers is allways a great imput guys