Here's Why You DON’T Need a Gaming Monitor For Sim Racing
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- Will a higher refresh rate monitor make you faster in-game? That's what I’ll be talking about today.
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“This is my channel and this is my opinion” dude shut down every future hate comments in one line🤣
If someone disagrees, they can make their own video 😤
@@OCRacing absolutely based youtuber and channel
@Banjie The Grape I'm incredibly disappointed in myself.
As someone in their 50s and prone to migraines, 144 hz is a must, especially in enduro races where I could be doing 3 or 4 two hour stints in a day. That smoothness just helps stop tired eyes.
This problem must be monitor related. I'm 53 and race at 72Hz (75Hz monitor), no problems - but take care, I have to do some magic to have REALLY smooth 72fps (like cap the fps in-game or Nvidia and use freesync to REALLY have monitor and game in sync).
A game doing 120fps and my monitor @75Hz is not smooth out of the box.
Yup, the higher refresh rate really helps with eye strain
I doubt that the migraines are related to the fps. If that was the case, you couldn’t sit through any film because the 24 fps would be too much for you to handle:
I am having the exact same problem, low hz is a major migraine trigger. I am looking into buying something close to 240 and scrap my old 4k 60hz dell.
I actually can't agree with this one. Running 60hz makes me dizzy, especially in fast direction changes, like T1 at monza, the horizontal movement of the barriers is more straining to the eye when it's under 90hz personally.
I assure you it makes a difference when you're looking for the last bit of time. Is it going to make you a second faster no of course not but it will make your more consistent and that consistency will usually allow you to gain that extra tenth or two and if not it will make it easier to do the same pace lap after lap.
Spot on. If someone struggles to string 5 laps together within a few tenths of one another, they won't notice the difference because they're fighting their own limits and therefore unable to detect the limits of their hardware due to the inconsistency. But if one can drive within a few tenths every lap over a period of a race, the lower latency is definitely noticeable. Laps are smoother and lap times are consistently lower. The increased smoothness improves the driving rhythm further enhancing the experience.
That's what I think is annoying with some of these youtubers when they give advise about sim racing hardware
They don't even drive close the limit of their hardware but then they give you advise and say that I high refresh monitor isn't necessary
For me not only could I practice longer and better cause my eyes didn't got tired as fast but also I was able to gain 2-3 tenths of a second after switching to a nice monitor
As a person who owns a 144hz monitor. I completely agree
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same but I need the 144hz to drive my ultrasound vehicle in to a wall at 29 times the speed of sound
Agreed. I love the smoothness of 144Hz. But 144 FPS in gaming will double load of your GPU and fry it down. Just look for dirt cheap big monitor or triple cheap monitor could be fine.
I notice a huge difference in latency between 60 and 144. I tested this today, F1 car at Monaco. I gained over a second at 144 hz. 60 has too much latency and feels sluggish. For me, 90 hz is the minimum. I can not race competitively at 60 fps/hz. I'm sure I could get used to it, but I honestly think that the difference in refresh rate is just as important in sim racing as in fps games.
that's not due to the refresh rate though. 144Hz display can have higher latency than a 60Hz one
@@filipruml Latency might not be the right word, more just that the picture isn't smooth and it's very distracting seeing it all choppy. It makes me feel as though my wheel is somewhat disconnected from the game, giving the illusion of more latency.
@@kit-the-kat-skelanimal-plush I see, tearing can also be an issue but since 60Hz monitors are generally cheaper than 144Hz it makes sense that they would be worse in other aspects other than just lower refresh rate.
depends what are you driving , the fastest the car the more fps you need
you can definitely see the difference in F1 between 120/144 and 60 hz
if you drive slow cars or track or even gt cars 60 hz are enough
@@giammarcomilone2770 Absolutely agree with that. Driving slower cars I'm ok with higher graphics and lower framerates cause I have a lot more time to react, but with fast open wheelers below 90 fps feels less than ideal, and anything below 50-60 seriously impacts my ability to tell what the car is doing.
Nice video! The best upgrade i've made about monitors was to switch from 720p to 1080p. It's bigger than the previous small ones and complete fulfil my needs.
Makes me wonder what 4K monitors are like 🤔
For triple screen setups I feel it is important to check how you feel playing in lower refresh rates, personally, I felt motion sickness for the first time when I tried it, because the borders of my field of view got blurred. It got a lot better when I increased the refresh rate settings, so it might be something to consider.
Tambem acontece comigo, nao consigo voltar a jogar com 60hz, deixa me mal disposto.
I have a 75Hz monitor and even if it is only 15Hz more compared to 60Hz it's still noticable in fps games which I mainly play but when I am playing a racing game I can't tell a difference
I don't know about you, but when I play FH5, I can get the difference between 60hz and 75hz. The game is a bit more fluid, and it's faster. Without any doubt.
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Buying a 60hz monitor in 2021 is a waste of money (if you game).
100%
You don't need a wheel to play sim games either. If you can afford a monitor with a higher refresh rate get it.
When switching from 60hz to 120hz, I really noticed an improvement in smoothness particularly under braking into corners where I found it easier to hit the apex. But when switching from 120hz to 165hz, I could not really see or feel an appreciable difference. At 120hz I really did not see too much improvement in scenery as you had mentioned but perhaps was more looking at the road ahead rather than the views... but that is just me.. Overall from my experience, I'd say, the increased framerates help with smoothness (especially when running triple monitors), which in turn helps you hit apex better as I seem to be able to get a better sense of the rate of slowing down under braking which then in turn helps improve the times, but there seems to be a point of diminishing return in terms of faster frame rates and improving lap times and for me that seems to be at the 120hz or 144hz point..
Hz is linked to FPS. Did you have 165fps capped? Let say you have 125FPS, there is no point to have 160hz and you won't see any difference unless you upgrade your PC
would you go with a 42in 60hz 4k tv or a 32in 144hz 2k monitor?
Gotta agree even though I have found running a 144Hz monitor has improved the look and feel. What made the difference for me was going larger to a 34 inch ultrawide giving me such a clearer view...Bigger is better for sim racing...
What’s your fov
you almost can't go too big. I have a 49" G9. I'll be upgrading to the 57" G9 when it drops in price a bit
My csl dd has just turned up and it is insane, can’t believe how smooth it is
thats so exciting! congrats :)
For casual driving with "Third Person" view or with wrong FoV, I guess it doesn´t matter if you have 60Hz or 144Hz. But if you do it more seriously, with more of an esports character and that´s by the way the time when it´s really called simracing, the higher framerate will definitely increase your performance. It´s like saying you don´t need a to set up your dampers on every track to race. Well, if you do it once in a while, it won´t be necessary, but if you race really hard and more professionally, you will need to tune everything you can. So in my opinion, the video title is not very accurate. It should state: "Here´s Why You DON´T Need a Gaming Monitor For Casual Arcade Racing"
That’s true different player different needs
I agree, but for someone with motion sickness 120hz is like a must. Or else spend more time puking than actually playing.
Huh… interesting 😅
How did people ever game before 120 Hz was invented?
@@C3lloman ?? I never said nobody can game without 120hz
@@C3lloman bcs old crt monitors have more then 60hz LMAO
If the game was still running above 60fps, even though the monitor was only showing 60hz, then the game would still be responding faster to your inputs, which is probably why you saw little difference in performance. You should have capped the framerate too .
I don't agree with this. Or well, you are correct that the game runs smoother on 60+ FPS even on a 60 Hz monitor. But that's exactly the reason you should not be playing at a capped 60 FPS even with a 60 Hz monitor.
Me, who uses a 4K 60hz TV as my sim monitor, out here just chilling. Tbh, I don’t think refresh rate does anything for performance, unless you’re running at like 30hz or something dumb like that. 60hz is as low as you really want to go, but 144hz seems like overkill for sim racing
I cap my monitor at 120hz. But always felt like I could drop it to 90. Just to not overtax the GPU.
Still think a 144hz monitor is a better buy, not that much more expensive if you pick a budget model at 1080p. It is true that going higher than 144hz really impacts the price. But it is reasonable to conclude that it will not make a difference in sim racing.
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Yeah but if you want to get 3 monitor simrig with great colors it make a differnce
Thanks for your personal input, I hope this helps a lot of folks not get too hung up on the 60hz vs 120hz+ debate moving forward
I agree to a certain extent about what you are saying. But one thing to keep in mind is that a gaming monitor almost always has less ghosting and better response times and latency compared to 60hz monitors. But other than that I agree with your point but you can also compare it with buying another steering wheel or rig. You don't need it to go fast, but it's convenient and it looks good.
A screen whatever the price is just a rectangle, otherwise yeah some have better stands but you can use VESA. Whereas stock wheels at least cheap ones are circles but upgrading the rig allows for various form factors : drift, F1, GT etc more realistic more pleasure more immersion, even better performance
@@urilou777 So screens are rectangles and wheels are circles, thanks for your valuable contribution to this discussion!
@@C3lloman I was reacting especially to his last sentence in which he says : "You don't need it to go fast, *but it's convenient and it looks good* ".
I can tell you in the beat of the moment I won't tell the difference between two screens but the sensation holding a wheel is really different and a stock wheel can ruin the experience on an F1 car for example. I'm not about the specs and geometrical shapes were sufficient for my statement.
Again, if you're the type of guy to race in a close battle, but all you think about is your latency being 5ms instead of 1ms and how you screwed not buying that $1000 rectangle, then I'm done with you.
yes you need. It just feels much smoother if you have 144hz monitor or higher. 60hz is ABSOLUTE SHIT
Do you think 100fps makes you faster vs 60fps in game then? because there is no reason to have the FPS above 60 if your monitor is only 60hz. The biggest reason you'd go for a gaming monitor is the response times, and the 1ms gaming monitors will give you a significant advantage over a 30ms response.
I would've agreed but until you said a hundreths quicker. Every milisecond counts and being precise is somewhat crucial to maximise speed
At least for me with drifting makes a big diference from 60hz to 120hz (higher than that can't seem to see the diference), if you a have a 60hz monitor your fine until you try a higher refresh rate, you can't go back lol
Good video. Really informative. Keep up the good work 💪
Thanks random internet user 👍
You might want to clarify that 144hz monitors dont literally cause you to need a stronger computer. For example running 70 fps is still more than a 60hz monitor but just not the full potential of 144hz
What's the point to pay much more for 10 more fps
@@urilou777 Just get a 75Hz monitor, it is already noticable compared to 60Hz but you don't need a too powerful PC since it's not that much more than 60fps and the 75Hz monitors cost pretty much the same as 60Hz ones. I am using a 75Hz IPS monitor that I got for like 150$ about 2 years ago and I don't think I will change it anytime soon.
I'd like you to compare a high hz 16:9 monitor to a 60hz ultrawide. I'm using an ultrawide for fps and sim racing and i can't go back to 16:9. Keep up the good work!
Interesting idea… thanks for watching 🙏
I disagree, i cant go back to 60hz
I don't need a high hz monitor since my computer cannot even reach the needed fps to match the monitors refresh rate
For someone who goes back to the Atari 2600 and have been gaming on consoles until now I can't tell a big difference with anything over 60 hz.
For the casual gamer such as yourself who evidently lacks the technical capacity to drive the car on the limit, any hardware will do.
For those putting in genuinely competitive laptimes, the 60hz display brings NOTICEABLE input lag which ABSOLUTELY adversely affects ones ability to make the micro corrections on the limit, which is the difference between spinning and being consistently fast.
I have an asus monitor from January 2009. It’s 60hz and 1080p, so not bad.
I like 4K, but that was nowhere near as significant as the difference between 144hz and 60hz
144hz looks amazing. It even makes 1080p RBR look SO much better
4k makes it a bit sharper, which is great, but the 144hz really really improves… not just “smoothness”, things appear sharper and clearer
Obviously 60hz is fine, but if you can, 144hz is totally recommended
And things don’t change frame by frame the same way they do in FPS games, so it won’t help you react to stuff coming onto your screen suddenly, but there is still a lot of movement frame by frame (at high speed), making sim racing a great candidate for benefiting from higher refresh rates
Even in FPS games, you aren’t really at a significant disadvantage playing at 60hz. It’s still fast, and lots of great players use that
ill get headaches on 60hz
75 is min i need even work work environment
couldn't use pc's for long when i was young
First of all i agree that a monitor wont make you faster but,
taking such a CLICKBAIT title on a highly subjective subject is literally not the most clever idea. I´m gaming for like 30 years now and i can feel the difference between a 144hz and a 60hz output very well. If somehow a windows update or driver update resets the refresh rate to 60hz which from time to time is the case and i start up a game im realizing and seeing that its 60hz within the first seconds after the race started. It might be possible that YOU DON´T need a higher refresh rate but there are people like me that are very sensitive to lower refresh rates and see a difference nearly instantaneously and pull their benefit from that more fluid and stable image. When it comes to 144hz - 240hz then its a different story.
And you might wanna overthink youre whole setup (monitor position) and mostly your fov, because its pretty suboptimal at best ayt least from whats shown here.
And btw if you use a high refresh monitor and only can push out constant 90fps with gsync or freesync you wont notice possible dips into low 50´s and you would still have the advantage of a much more fluid image overall. It is your Channel and it is your opnion but the title should be a little more like "Here´s why I DON´T need..."
The weird thing is, a lot of people are keen on super high FPS but activate motion blur at the same time...
wat
Is the playseat challenge worth it.
I dunno 😳
Yep, it is for sure
I’m about to get some sim racing gear and I have dual monitors, one is 2560x1440 at 165hz and the other is a bigger ultra wide with 3440x1440 but has 60hz so I’m just trying to decide which monitor to use and I think I’ll use the ultra wide for sim racing
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I would agree good vid oc!
Agreeing is the only option 😤
I got my 3 27" 1080p 75hz monitors for 300$ so is it for sure better for simracing than any single 144hz monitors for almost the same price ...
Yeah not wrong it really is just personal preference
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Ur completly right with racing game, i have 165hz monitor but i got it for a good price but i play not only racing i play minecraft cs go and call of duty so 60hz is abit low for me
Fh5 drops in a hour and I’m so excited to play
Do you already have a review about SHH SHIFTER NEWT
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one thing, I know videos take a while and a lot of effort with your other work load, or would be extremely useful to new and old viewers (such as myself) to have some examples of the models and their prices, I’m sure it would help, and it would certainly help me,
Fell assured to disagree
Thanks for the feedback. I’ll keep it in mind
btw, a 144hz set to 60 is better than a 60hz monitor set to 60 as the image is still generated faster
what monitor do you use
I use some generic 40" TVs on my main rig. On my second rig I use a 144hz ASUS monitor
I swear last time I was here you had 7k subs
So you're telling me... you haven't watched any of my videos in the last 3 or so months?!
@OC Racing well mabye I just didn't look at your sub count because I've been watching your videos right after you post them
@@J_StLou1s I expect nothing less 😤
Hi bud,
I'm at the decision point looking at 32" x 3 as my choice, , but a obstacle has come up when I actually started looking for monitors....
where i live 32" 144hz IPS is just crazy expensive....
So i have 2 Options for my Triple Screen Sim Racing setup.....
32" 1440p 75hz IPS vs 32" 1440p 144z VA
(both options above are priced very close)
Is the Black Smearing & Viewing Angles of VA panels a problem/issue for Sim Racing?
Should i go with 75hz IPS or 144hz VA....?
Thanks
(5600x/3080fe)
What did you settle on?
it's about the sync and not the fps at all.
All questions were answered. 😊 And moreover in a few minutes. 👍
As he says refresh rate isn't essential. but for sure a low latency monitor and high fps help a lot. If you play at 60hz vsynced or 60hz unlocked the latency difference is enormous and that might actually get a competitive advantage
I use a 55 inch 60 fps TV
Just got the g920 I said I wanted and WOW
For racing for me i never played with more than 120fps, is totaly unnecessary
I think something in 75 ~ 120 is GREAT.
But the options in my country sucks, in market, whe just have 2 options: Cheap monitor 75hz or 200hz. Fvck!
BANGER. also ultra wide is really good for car games
I’ve been wanting an ultra wide for a while. Would definitely make for a cool video…
@@OCRacing its worth the price!
got a 30 inch ultrawide. its honestly feels better than my 24 inch. Thanks to my small apartment where i could only fit a small table. I couldnt get a 34 inch :(
@@skiez7430 i done know what size mine is but i know its 2560x1080 and it changed my setup
how is 144 frames per second better than 60 frames per second when humans can only see 60 frames per second , 144 fps would look the same as 60fps , no difference at all.
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I totally don't agree with you. I have switched to 165 Hz monitor (but I wanted VA - so it's considered slow and ghosting by fast monitor lovers lol) from an 60 Hz one and difference is breathtaking for me. Racing with this new one is much more precise and smooth, but also less exhausting and more confident. Especially in Dirt Rally 2.0 which I see you play, I became much more consistent and able for long runs. I was able to be really fast on old display too, but it was really hard to hit multiple stages with good pace nad no mistake until new one.
Oh and BTW, it's also about FPS. Even my friend that we used to compete in rally games doesn't agree with the lines below, but I do. I've always played Dirt rally 1&2 with VSYNC OFF, with as many FPS as possible. In the meantime I've had multiple GPUs, from hardly hitting 60 FPS to hundreds of them now on 3060Ti. I can definitely feel the difference between 60, 100, 150 and 250+ FPS. The same as monitor hertz case - being more consistent, more smooth, more natural, more able to control the car.
everything beyond 25fps is just for your soul. you can maybe see it more crisp or whatever, but it benefits you nothing.
Bought a 1440p 170hz single monitor with the plan to upgrade to triples in the future. Cost me $500 and I'm so mad I didn't just go with a cheap 75hz cause being able to actually push those frames at that res is not easy lol.
Yeah. The biggest trap for 144hz monitor and FPS in general is that if there's bottleneck between the two, don't bother and just get a 75hz monitor. Unless you're playing like CS:GO and Valorant; the only two that can really make use of it with budget GPU.
@@X1erra I have the same 170hz monitor on my desk but in 27 not 32 inch for regular games already. So I definitely didn't need this lol. I have a 2080ti so single screen is no problem, I was more meaning if I do upgrade to triples then I'll start to have some issues.
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@@OCRacing Monza T1 in 6th gear going 250 baby
For the love of God, fix your damn FOV!
My monitor has the same stats as my laptop but with better resolution and color grading brightness settings and all that, I would use my laptop but because of space constraints and I’m on a budget so I can’t afford a stand I can’t use the laptop in front of me, the monitor helped me perform better because I would be forced into an in comfortable position when trying to view where I was going vs where I was looking when using the laptop, now with a monitor I can actually see in front of me
The point is that 144 hz is nice but not necessary
Like your video reviews, however your Cadence while speaking is like nails going down a chalkboard.
Human eyes couldnt see more than 30 fps
NOT!!!
My monitor is zh441
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, however, what you talk about in this video makes no sense. I think you're not aware of the concepts of refresh rate, rendering time, latency, projection of speed (especially on the side displays) and more.
60 fps to begin with is a stupid concept - 60 fps could very well mean 59 frames rendered in 10ms and one took 410ms - nobody will notice half a second stutter right? It's buttery smooth 60fps... OF COURSE NOT. That's why we want lower rendering times and variable / adaptive refresh. Headroom is absolutely necessary.
Ironically "gaming" monitor standards will trickle down into normal displays - so hopefully in the future this "opinion" doesn't even matter anymore, and cause much harm to those who listen to it, because even standard office displays will hopefully support VRR, Freesync Premium, G-Sync, have 1ms GTG, have high performing scalers, lot latency display matrices without smearing, ghosting etc.
For now, if you wanna go cheaper, just buy common form factors and go for a lower resolution. But don't just cheap out on the screens thinking it'll save you anything. It'll just cause problems down the line and you have to buy again.
TL;DW - 1:56
i got one anyway
Its never about "competetive advantage".
Im fine with 60 fps, maybe not as much for csgo, but I prefer something around 90hz & fps for racing too.
Above that I don't really care.
Even for csgo I usually set fps cap at somewhere between 100-150.
It does depend on screen size and how close it is though, closer & bigger means fps more noticeable as well.
With VR I'd even prefer much higher fps.
Anyways I don't see a reason not to get a 144hz monitor as they usually have faster response time, smaller bezels, most other features (such as curved) usually means the monitor does have higher refresh rate as well
Not like one has to pay extra just for the refresh rate.
me with my 75hz
While your conclusion, being an opinion, can be valid, the premise of this video is a bit misleading, and there were several issues with the testing that you detail in the video.
1: You said you thought about recording both refresh rates, but said you didn't do so because of the frame rate limit on youtube. The thing is, that's not a new idea. If you really wanted to demonstrate the difference, you could have slowed the footage down significantly, and it would show the difference just fine. In addition, if you wanted people to watch 200 FPS footage, they'd need a 200Hz monitor, regardless of youtube's frame rate. At that point, I don't think they'd care about this video.
2: You said you did multiple runs under the same conditions on both refresh rates, but you didn't really make it clear how many, or if you accounted for factors such as your own skill improving from one run to the next. A better scientific gauge of whether or not the refresh rate affects your driving would be to do long-ish sessions on each refresh rate, alternating between the two at least twice. Without doing so, you could easily spend 144Hz testing warming up, then perform slightly better in 60Hz testing and get a similar time to the prior run, or vice-versa.
3: You say that reaction times could be affected, but you also claim without info that you doubt they would be in 99% of cases. I'd actually like to see a test of this. 144Hz is still more information going to your brain than 60Hz, and without proper testing of such, you can't really draw any sort of conclusion as to whether or not it affects reactions. In the genre that the higher refresh rate is more applicable to, shooters, reaction is the sole reason that you need such a high refresh rate. It's much easier to hypothesize that you could benefit more in that area in a racing game, as opposed to less.
There were a few other small instances of you stating an opinion without really backing it up, but those three things were, I feel, the most glaring issues with your process in trying to scientifically back up your conclusion. I'd love to see if you were willing to do more extensive testing, where you can either prove or disprove your ideas on whether or not the refresh rate helps.
Racing is all about be faster and precise, therefore any tens of a second gained is like gold. With a a higher refresh rate you can gain tens of seconds for each corner, which leads to seconds gained at the end of a single lap. Of course if you are still seconds far from fastest lap times you will not notice the difference
This video couldn't be more wrong lol
TLDR : Your gonna be poor anyway buying a better wheelset XD
It is what it is 😅
@@OCRacing Its never what it is. Its always how deep the rabbit hole you wanted it to be :)