3800 Naturally Aspirated Top 5 Mods | ZZPerformance
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- Turbo Tim breaks down the first 5 modifications you should do to your naturally aspirated 3800, stay tuned for a new video outlining the Top 5 for each of our platforms.
0:00 Intro
0:12 PCM Tune
0:49 Air Intake
1:14 Downpipe
1:40 HV3
2:11 Rockers or Camshaft
2:53 (Bonus) Supercharger
3:13 (Bonus) Turbocharger
Ready to start modding?
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Supercharger Kit: zzperformance.com/products/l3... - Авто та транспорт
GM never should have stopped making the 3800 v6. It was easily one of the best engines they ever built!
You can get crate 3800 engines. They will stick round just like the other iconic GM engines
Yep, I bought a low mileage used one + Reman 4t65e transmission. Would fork over more for a remanufactured 3800 or, crate Buick V-6 $2500used $3500 Reman,$4500- $9000 Crate included fluids and installation
I got 340K out of my first 3800. Only issue I had was the intake melting itself because I was a shitty high school teen that only cared that my car looked good and never checked the fluid haha. Wheel bearings on the W bodys are what kills me :p
The Cadillac 4.9 also
@@paulrobert2249 i drove a 1990 Cadillac sedan DeVille. It had the 4.9 and I liked it. Were they also known for reliability? Only drove a rental briefly.
Wish I lived closer to a reputable 3800 mechanic/tuner. Turbo would get the nod for my ‘04 MCSS. Thanks ZZP for supporting the 3800 base!
I wanna do this kinda stuff on my 06 buick lucerne! Everyone thinks it's just an old man car, makes a perfect sleeper!
I have a 2010 im doing. Even in stock trim its fun watching jaws drop when you put the pedal down. Your at a slight advantage as the 06 has the 3800 while my 3900 doesn't have the aftermarket of the 3800.
I have one too, the zzp gt1 cam is pretty fun with it, im also going to put in a hv3 high velocity intake insert which is supposed to make like 15 horse and extend the power band and add low end torque which ik these lack xD, but i have an extra 3800 which over the winter im gonna turbo it, gt2 cam, and of course all the valve train upgrades to support the cam, and im hoping itll hold up on low boost , im hopefully gonna push 450-500 horse by this spring in a grandma car.
@@Evanmaier what valve train upgrades are needed to match the cam? i’ve had my 04 bonneville for years and i’m looking to start upgrading it soon
@@evangoff5511 that’s what I wanna do with my northstar in my 02 deville I did an exhaust on it and it flows really good now and you can tell it loves to just start pull super hard once you open it up
I'm with you i Love SLEEPER
i wish more of your mods worked for the fbody 3800 because some of us v6 boys like to get sideways!
Bro same im in a 98 firebird
Can u imagine a 3800 v6 with modern tech? Itd be a 380hp stock monster! And out last the crappy 3.6l!
I never seen anyone have a problem with a 3.6. I think you guys spend too much time on forums.
@@blackericdenice i have seen so many timing chains go to hell on them.
@@Slowc30013 No you read about them on a forum and now you are repeating what you read. How do I know this? I checked your channel. You are a child who want some attention.
@@blackericdenice such an emotional response for no reason. If he just a child why is he under your skin so much? ;)
@@brennan_mclachlan He is not under my skin.
I Got a 2001 Airbox on my 1999 pontiac grand prix with a K&N Air filter, but I plan on doing the 1.0 pcm, catted down pipe, HV3, rockers, before I do turbo & valvetrain. Thanks ZZP for making owning a 3800 feel like I own a race car😂
Yo im trying to learn how to mod mine, think you can give me some tips and advice?
Great vid, I own a ‘02 Monte Carlo ss and now I know what my options are from you guys thanks
The SS has very high shift points programmed from the factory. PCM should probably be lower on your list then. I just bought the same car. First on my list is the tubular front exhaust manifold. Then port/polish lower intake > cam > pcm > downpipe w/o cat > EGR delete. BTW...if you haven't been there...the governor kicks in at 125 MPH(in overdrive or 115 MPH in 3rd w/ stock pcm). 😊
i own the same car myself. so far ive done essentially fbo, exhaust, suspension, and injectors with the pcm from them and its definitely quicker than stock. i have the new hv3 on the way with new plugs and wires. right now, im keeping up and beating newer 3.5 chargers as it sits so im pretty happy with it
same but a 04
Wish there was this much aftermarket support for the 3400
wottech makes some stuff
Milzy motorsports does as well
There is just a different website and company
Can y’all do a N/A 3800 build just like how y’all did the Cruze?
Would be nice
I just so happen to have a pontiac with the 3800 series III and this will come in handy.
What color lol
I have 2 grand prixs and I’m in love with these cars I just wish the transmission hadn’t gone out on my other one
I just bought a 2004 GP GT. Its like new. 66k miles. I have always loved Pontiac. This thing is amazing. Hoping to put some of these mods in place soon.
I'm thinking this coming spring when I get my yellow '02 MC SS out of winter storage, I'm going to get the downpipe from you guys! It'll be one of my first real mods per-say as I only have a CAI, a muffler delete, and a couple other small things currently.
How does a muffler delete sound??
Do it bro
I can't wait to start on my 2006 Grand Prix. I was looking for the super charged model but I couldn't find one in good condition anywhere around me in Port Huron Michigan, so when I found a spotless base model with only 1 previous owner I latched onto it. I'm ordering the PCM my next check. I can't wait to be able to pull up on a stock gt or gxp and give them a run for their money. They always pull up on me knowing damn well my base model is slower lol😂 can't wait to change that.
Hell ya 08’ base right here😂
Yessir 05’ base
Team base model👌💯
Still will get smoked trying to battle a gxp
Don’t forget the gxp is a ls v8 engine and will still fuck you up without a supercharger and supported mods
I’m watching this videos and adding to the cart
🤗🤗🤗 I like this guy.... I wish it's lil bro the 3300 had room to build on for more horses... lil phukers have lots of torque tho...
I want to do a lot of this this to my 05 Pontiac Bonneville, would make a great sleeper, nobody would expect anything!
Umm... 05 was the last year they made Bonnevilles. I had an SLE.
@@bobthbldr3 Meant 05 my bad.
If you've got an F-body 3800 (Camaro or Firebird), especially an older one with the worse air box, check out the Spectre SPE-8161 air filter.
Buy just the filter, remove the entire stock air box, and mount the filter right onto the intake manifold. But first, drill a hole in the center of the filter for the air temp sensor, and you'll be good to go.
Would this go well with an oldsmobile cutlass ciera sl? (97')
@@llmexicanlm7885 Hard to say. My solution above is for a rear-wheel drive car (actually the only RWD use of the 3800), and you're talking about a front-wheel drive car, so the position and flow of the air box is completely different. The size might be different too, and there might not be enough room to fit the filter there. I haven't messed with any FWD 3800s so I can't really say either way.
Good news: pretty much all 3800 aftermarket intake/air boxes/filters are for FWD cars, but there's almost nothing for us RWD F-body guys.
I have a 97 bird with 3.8. I notice it's different from the 98-2002 air box. Would I feel a difference with the air box you speak of
Loved my 3800 Bonneville, the Rust got to her before the engine gave up
I have a 00 Pontiac Grand Prix 3800 n/a I use for a bush car. I’m looking for stuff that will make it run the best it can. I notice I have a slight miss in it but is better with more throttle. Exhaust is cut off directly after the converter
Can you do a top 5 on RWD 3800? No one cares about them and it makes me sad
I've got one in a 97 Camaro 5 speed. Mods so far are LT1 radiator swap, 3inch aluminum driveshaft swap from SS LS1 car(dropped around 10 pounds from the 2 piece steel unit), factory z28 dual exhaust with flowmaster 80 series welded in, K&N cone filter, z28 rear sway bar. Also have mid length headers/y pipe, high flow 3 inch cat and stainless GMMG Madhammer cat back for v8 cars waiting to be put on. Definitely do the driveshaft swap, and do anything else to keep engine/coolant/underhood temps down. Other stuff is more replacing lower intake gasket w/ zzp aluminum one, get a metal front cover gasket, relocate coil packs to the firewall, etc.
yeah with the t5 gearbox instead of those electronic shit
I really hate not making enough money to give love to my Grand Prix, there are many things that I would like to be able to make some modifications to
When are you guys going to come out with drive by wire ecm files?
Got a 2001 camaro with the 3800 87k miles
Been looking at your website lately probably going to start buying parts soon
Sounds great! If you have any questions feel free to reach out to us.
I have a lot of these mods on my n/ a impala 04. And its a animal. 👍 good info
Eddie Escobar got all these mods and than some. I'm capped out at N/A. time for turbo and better paying job
I have an 04 aswell i really wanna start modding it
after 30 odd years of the 3 coil pack v6's surely someone has created race style cams and heads for these engines that make serious power and not relying on a stupid chip
Never heard of it but interesting hv3 need an install and performance review
Did you ever buy it?
This is the first I've seen of this - I know some people are turboing them and dragging them, but I've never been able to find performance engine upgrades. Can anyone put up a few links to sites that carry drivetrain upgrad parts?
Hi ZZP team,
Nice video!
I have a question, Do you have a turbo kits for a grand-prix gxp? It would be insane with the ls4 engine!
Google the actual engine by it's engine code, then looks up mods for it specifically. That engine was in others cars too.
I’d like these for my RWD Holden Ute.
I know this is a older video but just wondering in a car not meant for drag racing but roadcourse and windy twisty country roads would staying N/A make sense ? With say the tune, hv3, GT2 cam, headers ?
y’all should restock the super chargers soon haha
Anyone have before and after 1/4 mile or 1/8th mile times for the 1.0 pcm programming?
Anything I can do on a Series I 3800? I believe the transmission does not have electrically controlled shift so not sure any options for that.
Do you have options available for a 1996 Buick park avenue? I want to turbo it but maybe just cold air intake for now. Someone stole my converter so I’m running catless was think to straight pipe it since I fixed to missing cat issue. Maybe some sort of plug in tuner ?
I have a ‘98 Buick lesabre with 3800 series 2. Anyone modded a similar car/engine? How did it turn out?
I dont understand why zzp focuses on front wheel drives primarily? I have a 1997 camaro 5 speed and have been looking for inexpensive mods to help it pull a little but more when I have fun, but wanting it to be super reliable like the stock 3800 is, I did blow and engine due to the previous owner failing to assemble to the engine but I got another engine and it already has the SLP 1.8 ratio rockers and would like to take control of timing and fuel more but wanting to put a car back on it to help with the fuel economy or without one if I had or knew a way to help it run a bit better
Interesting well I better get a 3.8 from a MC, GP, Olds for my sunbird
I have a 2003 ss Monte Carlo..3800.would love to upgrade the computer for now. Any ideas on injectors and fuel pump?
Liked and subbed btw
ALL of these mods i would currently like to slap on my 3800 firebird bad part is alot of the parts are very hard to come by
How hard would it be?to swap my series 3 NA engine for a series 3 Supercharged engine?or am i better off putting together a custom turbo kit?
I have a 2000 , 3800 with transmission for sale runs great...
Will these products work for the pre-series 1 or any recommendations for a 1989 buick 3800 fwd
get rid of the motorola ICM and go with the later Delco set up. reattaowner.com/roj/common-problems-a-solutions/replacing-magnavox-ignition-with-delco. Also you can install GEN III bosch injectors. larger exhuast piping , cold air kit. you can put a L67 supercharger or turbo charger but with the high compression of LN3 engine doesn't hold up.
Have a 96 regal with the series ll will all of these mods work for my car?
I wonder what mods would be available for a 1988 Buick 3800 V6? I've been looking to add a "few" things to turn it into a fuel efficient sleeper, and to give it muscle car/lowrider vibes
What did you end up doing? I have the same car and looking to do the same thing
Do you have the park avenue ?
I own a 07 Buick lacrosse with the 3.8L series think I might have to make a sleeper.
i just bought a grandma fresh one with 36k miles, & want to do a little work to it as well. I'd like to do the 1.0 PC, but it doesn't look like they support our cars unfortunately. The stock shift programing is terrible; mine shifts into 4th at around 37 MPH unless I have my foot in it.
@@johnmartin560 hell yeah man!
Then pull your shifter into 3rd if you don't like it, then shift it when you want it to
Wonder if these will work well on the Series III V6, got a 2006 Base GP was looking to do some modding to it
That's what I've been looking into as well
I need to know more about my 3800 supercharged.
Question ZZP ever thinking making a supercharger kit for the GM 3.9L that came in the Pontiac G6 idk what other car but that would be cool to do 3.9 makes like 260hp
Believe the 06-14 impalas had this motor too
Can you do all of these mods with a rwd 3800 camaro?! I have a 2002 camaro I’d like to mod
Is there a supercharger kit for rwd platforms like the f body?
Anyone have any sites or mods for the 3.9 v6 from the monte Carlo or buicks? Have a 2010 Buick lucerne that i feel could make an amazing sleeper. ( with about another 75-125whp as its already in the 220 HP range) Was thinking hi-flow cats, straight pipe, custom ram air intake, and taking some junkyard heads and port and polishing them with a possible junkyard stock cam regrind to make it more aggressive. Want to keep it n/a though. ( nitrous is the only power adder i would consider ) Any ideas would be nice. Im 3rd owner and it has over 170k so don't care about cutting things up as I will be the last owner.
Are you able to do the dod delete on the 05 grandprix GXP with the 5.3 im installing new cam and lifters doing away with the dod valve train
I am 17 with 3.8 v6 impala and consider myself lucky man
So I can buy an SLE and turbo it? Say less.
So, I have a 2006 Base model Grand Prix. I want to do some light modding to it, like you've mentioned in this video. I'm extremely new to the car scene and want to get my feet wet. Where can i get parts for it? What can i do to it? I seem to only be able to find parts for the V8 engine or the GXP model. Is there a forum for these cars? Thanks for the help.
Lucky for you, you can find all sort of parts for your Grand Prix if you go to our website, zzperformance.com. If you need some guidance or suggestions, reach out to us at customerservice@zzperformance.com.
Can your camms be used on a camaro 3800?
@zzperformance Would the intake kit work for a series 3 in an 2006 LaCrosse?
Do these improvements apply as well to the gen 3? I would love to purchase a 2004 - 2008 GP with this engine since it solves the more common issues in the gen 2.
Tryna figure out the same thing
I have a 3.8 v6 3800 series 3 L26 not supercharged and I want to put a supercharger on it. What would I have e to do.
I purchased my '08 GP 3800 base new. Oil changed every 3500k, tranny flushed every 50k. 230k, miles both run strong. I want more throttle response. I feel I have to step into the gas peddle to go. What's the least expensive mode you suggest, and where do I purchase it?
What out if these can I do to my base 2005 Grand Prix gt?
really interested in those hv3 inserts.. last time i had checked i think they were out of stock and real pricey but i wonder how well it would pair with a turbo 3800
Can you educate me on what the fuck they are exactly? I'm new to the 3800 club but a veteran in car modding. They look like intake manifold spacers. I got the intake and just did the coil wires and plugs from zzp looking at the PCM and down pipe next but wondering wtf this is exactly
@@4g63tpowered They are basically a replacement for the stock intake runners that are inside the upper intake plenum. You get higher power from this because it drastically changes the air velocity and how it enters your engine, the stock runners are about 4 to 5 inches tall, the HV3 insert reduces that by about 3 inches. The taller the runners you get more low end power/torque like the stock runners. the HV3 is much shorter and has a smoother airflow so it pulls the top end of the power band up.
They are out of stock from ZZP but there is a brand called khaos motorsports that sells what the call an HV4 insert. I have the HV4 by them paired with the GT2 rpm cam from zzp.
@@HypebeastMajorities thanks Buddy!!
The na 3800 is the l36 correct? I'm still learning and wanted to boost my 03 ss monte NA
Question , i have modified a 944 porsche with a 3800 supercharged from a 2000 bonneville and 5 speed manual trans the flywheel is from a camaro or firebird now i understand the balance is wrong for a supercharged is it true .THANKS
Sounds sweet! We'd need a liiiitttle more info though to help you out. Try emailing our tech's at "customerservice@zzperformance.com" with a description of your build and the issues you're having!
But ur video show 04 to 08 body stly u said it can be done my 3.8 seires 3
Anybody have experience with carbon fiber hoods for the 99 model?
Will this work with the buick lucerne cxl 2006
I ask zzp about my 08 grandprix they told I couldnt add supercharger kit because drive by wire throttle body is this true I can't do nothing to it bee side air box for it
You can add a supercharger to your car, we just do not sell one for the Series III engine. We do offer a few other parts that will fit your series III, exhaust and internals mostly!
So I have a 2002 LeSabre and the engines in these do not come with the dog bone motor mounts on top. Am I able to fit some mounts like that or can I run any of these mods without it?
If you send your question to customerservice@zzperformance.com we would love to help you out.
I don't know if this is silly, but does this work for Holden ?
The problem with the K&N oil soaked filter is that it’ll plug the MAF sensor.
What about twin charged?
I'm gonna do these mods to my 02 regal
Naturally aspirated? Let me know how it turns out, as I'm trying to do the same
Hello, do you have a guide on how a tune would work? I am a novice and really wanted to rejuvenate my 2008 pontiac grand prix - its the v6 model. Does the tune in this video work on my model? Anything I need to install?
We do provide tuning support for the 2008 V6. Here is a link to our tuning page, If you have any questions email us at customerservice@zperformance.com.
zzperformance.com/collections/3800-electronics/products/zzp-1-0-pcm?variant=31348156923966
I have a 2004 grand prix with the 3800 v6, I love cars but I'm ignorant when it comes to mechanics, recently I came into a C6 Corvette exhaust is there any way I could swap it for my stock exhausts on my GP? Anything helps
Lol, no
Now what about a 89 Series 1?
Can I do theses mods on my Monte Carlo ss 2001 pace car ?
Any recommendations for 08 v6 3.8l
Will any of these work on series 1 engine
What HP do you recommend considering swapping/building a 4T65E trans for a built one? I’m around 300hp and 110k miles.
Will these upgrades work for Buick and Chevy 3800s? Such as impala, Monte Carlo, regal, and etc?
Their web site parts description looks to show what cars they will work on.
yes they should because they are all made by gm, the only difference (which will say on the website) it probably the exhaust and that typpa stuff, but everything should work you would think.
It's the same engine in them all
Which is more fuel efficient, supercharger or turbo? Like which one makes more hp with better fuel efficiency
Turbo for sure! Roots style blowers are parasitic by nature meaning they require HP to be driven.
i have a 97 pontiac grand prix se. does anyone know if i can slap a turbo like this on it or a supercharger? i cant do the gtp or gt engine swap cause i guess they have different mounts compared to the se
One won't just be "slapping" a turbo on it. It would be a HUGE project, and require a TON of fabrication done by you.
How much power would a downpipe add?
Can you do anything for a 2006 XRS?
Which, if any of these, are compatible with a series 3 L26 3800?
Will this stuff work with an 07 Buick ??
can a super charger be added to a 2008 buick lucerne?
Are any of these turbo kits, or superchargers work for 1997 Camaro 3.800 serie II N/A engine ? Thanks !
Hey man I have the same question you do, mines a 1997 camaro rs automatic with AC, did you ever find out if it’s compatible?
@@isaakcruz8003 nowbody said nothing ! Not everybody answers back LOL. But there is a kit on ebay 650$, they say it makes 750 hp, and i found on UA-cam a guy that put on Pontiac 3.8 serie II the same engine, and made about 330 HP, with that kit !
Novac Darco Louis awesome, thanks man!
Novac Darco Louis awesome, thanks man!
Wonder if this will work with a camaro
Yeah but like, what about the transmission. Is the 4t60e gonna handle all that?
Yes
2:53 yeah right when you guys plan on restocking??
What about a supercharger kit for an L26 car? Is there something available?
I like 1 & 2. Just because its my daily driver...
i want a downpipe for my 05 series 3 (GP GT NA). the one you linked says its only for the series 2 and it doesnt mention an "off road" or "street legal" option (i want street legal). Please respond if you have the product i'm looking for. thank you
We only carry downpipes with cats now, so that would be the street legal version :)
zzperformance.com/products/zzp-downpipe?_pos=5&_sid=cf984d736&_ss=r
@@ZZPerformanceChannel thanks for responding. would you recommend the 2.5 or 3" ? i am stock cat-back but i wanted to maybe upgrade to a performance exhaust down the line.
Do they make a air induction that will fit a 96 firebird with 3.8.Also is a turbo kit available?
Have you found anything out? Just picked up a 2000 firebird!
Just got an 07 lacrosse with a 3800 and I think I’m going for a pcm swap and rockets
Nice choice. I have a lacrosse too! The stock engine is strong. Will always do a burn-out! Mine is in the shop getting some ZZP modifications right now. I already have the ZZP exhaust since 2016. I'm adding a ZZP polyurethane, heavy-Duty Lower engine mount.
ZZP chrome exhaust headers (front & back) and New ZZP ingnition coils to go along with the replacement "rebuilt" auto transmission. ( And a newer engine too) The bill...➡️$6700.00 parts and labor🏁🏁🏁🏁⭐
@@missingremote4388 $6700? damn you got shafted
@@samsquantch14 constant repairs are expensive ( I do what I can myself)
Luv the old buick, has 206.000 miles on it. Will change the downpipe exhaust tomorrow. ZZP w/cat downpipe = $300 + labor