FIRE N THE HOLE 330: Broadhead Test
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2024
- This is a test of the 100 gr Fire N the Hole 330.
Here is summary of my 2024 Testing Procedure & Scoring w/the scores of this head posted in parenthesis as well.
1. Flight Forgiveness (20%, 4 pts)
I'm using a Killer Instinct SWAT X1 crossbow, mounted to a BOG tripod, shooting a 670 gr Bishop Archery GOAT bolt (300 fps) at 30 yds. Field points consistently hit in the 10 ring & bullseye. I use the exact same bolt to shoot the broadhead. The only difference in the two shots is the broadhead's flight forgiveness vs that of the field point. A bullseye gets a score of 11/10, or a perfect score of 20 + 1 Bonus Point. The 10 ring gets a 10/10, or 20 points; a 9 ring gets a 9/10 or 18 points...& so forth, with each wider ring being 1/2" farther from the bullseye. Mechs are also given 1 Bonus Point for extra forgiveness.
2. Cut Size (20%, 17 pts)
The more tissue being cut, the more lethal the head, all else equal. The entrance cut, total cut, & width of the cut (a crucial variable for bloodletting) are all scored:
The entrance cut size is compared to a standard of 2.5" then that fraction is weighted to 7% of the score. (1.55” + 2.7"= 4.2" = 7 points pts)
The max cut size is compared to a standard of 2.5" as well, then that fraction is is weighted to 7% of the score. (4.2" = 7 pts)
The max cutting diameter is compared to a standard of 2.0", then that fraction is weighted to 6% of the score. (1" = 3 pts)
3. Blades (20%, 17 pts)
Initial sharpness (9%, 283 grams = 9.17/10 = 9 pts) & Edge Retention (9%, +25 grams = 9.5/10 = 8.55 pts) are measured using the Edge On Up Sharpness Tester. The pressure needed for a blade to cut thru a copolymer wire is measured in grams.
Edge Retention is the loss of sharpness after the head is shot in Penetration Test 1, thru 1/2" MDF & 2/3" rubber foam mat & Clear Ballistics FBI gel. For every 50 "grams" of sharpness lost, 1 point is deducted from 10.
What are some sharpness scores for common edges?
A butter knife takes 2000 grams of pressure to break the co polymer wire.
A new high end cutlery edge: ~ 375 grams of pressure.
A utility razor blade: 200 grams.
Based on the many broadheads I have tested, here is my scoring scale:
Out of the Box Sharpness:
0-200 gr: 10
201-300 gr 9
301-400 gr: 8
401-500 gr: 7
501-600 gr: 6
601-700 gr: 5
Ease to resharpen or replace blades is judged & given 2% of the score. (1/10=.2 pts)
4. Penetration (20%, 10.97 pts)
There are 2 penetration tests:
Pen Test 1: 1/2" MDF, 2/3" rubber foam mat, Clear Ballistics FBI gel. Depth of penetration is compared to a standard of 9" & weighted to 10% of the score. (6" = 10 pts)
Pen Test 2: Layered cardboard. # of layers penetrated is compared to a standard of 70 layers & weighted to 10% of the score.
( 30 layers= 4.3 pts)
5. Durability (20%, 4 pts)
Each head is shot thru 1/2" MDF 3 times. Its condition is judged 1-10 & weighted to 12% of the score. (2/10 = 2.4 pts)
If a head survives that, it is then shot thru 22 ga steel plate twice. Its condition is judged 1-10 & weighted to 5% of the score. (2/10 = 1 pts)
If a head survives that, it is then shot into concrete once. Its condition is judged 1-10 & weighted to 3% of the score. (2/10 = .6 pts).
Steel plate & concrete are certainly not "realistic" mediums, but they do reveal the outer limits of a head's durability.
BONUS:
+2 pts extra big cut compared to baseline
-2 pts circular blade broke off in Pen Test 1 & 2
TOTAL SCORE: 50.97 pts = 5 Golden Arrows
Price: $13.33/head
Special Notes:
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I usually root for the off brands and new types of broadheads but soon as i seen them i was like yea thats a disaster waiting to happen and sure enough it bombed in my opinion! Thanks for another great real test mr Lusk
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did exactly what I thought it would. Great job once again
Thanks Chris :)
Definitely different and innovative just not something any serious hunter would ever put in their quiver
More of a gimmick than innovative
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I'm starting to think this head came from TEMU
I got it on Amazon. I've tested another head by them that was equally "interesting" -- the Mohican Sneak.
i have some from a company called Bullet Hole archery i do believe. Back in the 90's. The ring is placed inside the blades though.
That was a fun one 🎉
Right? thank you
Good job
Thank you
That was cool ty
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John Can you test the New 100 grain Croc from crimson talon for us?? (Right bevel) thank you for all you do!
Yep. It's in the pile of heads for my next batch of testing. I still have another 19 heads already completed and not yet edited/posted, then the second batch is up.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures can’t wait! I just ordered two packs of the 100 grain crocs for this fall I’m excited to see you test them. I’ll have the crocs and sawtooth A2’s in my quiver! Thanks John have a blessed day
I would be curious to know the penetration and flight test results without the ring like you did the durability test. Just to see if the broadhead has bad penetration and flight or if it's just the ring that slows it down and makes it unstable
I'm sure it would perform like any other topics 3 blade in that regard. The ring does jack it up.
Hello Mr. Lusk I was wondering if I sent you a pack of cheap broadheads I you would test them? I am wanting to see how some of these cheaper broadheads work compared to known brands.
Thank you Kendall
Sure. I do that every once in a while. I just need 3 new heads to do a test...and as much information about them as possible. My mailing address is 2502 Sun Grove Rd, Melissa, TX 25454
I am new to bow and crossbows. do your scores for the broad heads crossover to the crossbow?
I am testing the broadhead, not the projecting device--so the tests are valid for anything that is shooting them.
Thank you for the reply. That helps me greatly.
Whoa!!!
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Ive seen these tested in gel, and they broke in gel, so that tells you everything you need to know. The ring came off.
The blade broke when it hit the MDF right before the gel. It never made it into the gel.
Would be interesting to see how it handled a carcass. But it performed about as expected
Yep. I imagine it will take out a nice chunk of tissue on impact. I sure wouldn't want to get shot with one.
Well, that was interesting.
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Your to nice. Why wouldn't they put the ring under the blades?
I can see it possibly being designed to break off after punching a nice blood letting hole...then allowing the 3 blade to penetrate more deeply...but there are problems with that as well. Either way, that ring impacting a harder medium all at once is a huge amount force.
I didn’t know they still made those.
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looks like the razor ring
Yep
It is cool to see new broadheads. But it did not fly to well and i would have to pass on this broadhead. I will stay wt the Magnus buzz cut stinger 4 blade. That is a great broadhead imo
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It failed completely on the very first test. If your arrow doesn't hit what you're aiming at the rest don't matter.
Yep...not saying I could not get them to fly out of my vertical bow...but this was the flight out of the standard, benched crossbow.
LOL. I'd hate to be a bystander as you mow the lawn. There's probably shrapnel everywhere.
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Wow what a pile! The ring looks like it would stay in the animal and risk cutting you during gutting, Since it comes off So Easy . I think it’s possibly dangerous to the hunter. I deem it unfit for my quiver
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Could be good for jack rabbit or small games but i would never even try on a big game, let's be honest that's not ethical at all...
John thanks for this test as always
Thanks for sharing.
I think that would be a good turkey head
Not accurate
I'd be very concerned about it penetrating thru the wing butt or tail quills.
Performance was as expected.
Yep.
So... this ones a... "no"?
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Is there anyone that actually thought this head was going to be durable or even a good idea? They say that looks can be deceiving but in this case they told the story before it happened.
Exactly, like why even try to produce this thing. Paper thin blades, small cut, can’t shoot it into a foam target, like what the heck!?! And that flight🤔
@@Tyler_Lyons agreed! I try and give everything the benefit of the doubt but just looking at this thing had me scratching my head saying wtf lol. Sadly enough I’m sure someone somewhere will hit the woods with it
@@keystonestatebowmen3128 oh gosh I didn’t want to think about that😣 I can’t even imagine taking this out to the woods and shooting something. That’s scary and not very ethical.
I've heard from some who have used them and like them.
If these flew well they'd be a good option for turkey.
Maybe...but I'd be very concerned about it not penetrating a wing butt or tail quills.
The ring needs to be spot welded to the blades
It would help. But the circular blade itself breaks so easily. That's a lot of impact to have zero gradual penetration--it just gets hit all at once. If it's a softer medium, it's okay, but if it's a bit harder...
no thanks lol... i like the concept, but i dont think its gonna penetrate much
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Testing protocol is fine, it was the test subject that was lacking. Shrapnel does not have a good track record for clean animal kills--that broadhead is crap.
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I can't imagine this broadhead being around for very long with all these faults ... back to the drawing board ... 😕
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John I love your content but using a bolt compared to an arrow for broadhead flight isn't a fair comparison. A bolt can shoot broadhead different than a regular arrow. You must realize that. 😢
Yes of course. I mentioned that in the 2024 Process video. The point is that I have much more control with the crossbow. I use a heavy bolt so it flies at compound bow speed. But it is mounted to a BOG tripod and uses a scope so I can be extremely consistent and accurate. I use the same bolt for the field point and the broadhead. The only thing that changes is the broadhead. So you can see the effect of the Broadhead on the flight. That is the only variable that changes. it does not mean that I could not get a brought it to fly well out of a compound bow. But it shows the effect of that specific broadhead on flight. There is much less human error than there is out of my vertical bow. and interestingly enough, the scoring is actually remarkably similar to the testing when I use my vertical bow. But it gives me more confidence in the consistency and lack of human error.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thanks for that explanation. I understand what you're saying. It makes sense. Keep up the good work.
these companies need to be publicly shamed for putting out a product like that. Either they don't test them or they do and don't care about the results
I've heard some people using them effectively
If the broadhead don't fly, the animals don't die... My test would have ended with the flight. Hehee.
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While it's an interesting design, IMO the execution is just too fragile for hunting anything but small game as it could not be depended on to adequately penetrate large game
Yep
Love the creativity but I think it missed the mark
Yep.
Just the poor flight makes a big no!!!
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gimmiky junk lol great testing
Thank you
Straight to jail😅
Well, at least not to my quiver.
Killer instinct cross bows are ok but I'll never ever own another. Their customer service is non existent especially when there limbs start splintering you get what you pay for including 0 customer service
Sorry to hear that, I've had great customer service.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures you are the only person who has lol
Yikes!
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Nope! I could tell at first glance that this was going to be a fail.
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Total JUNK!!
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Razon ring...was made 20 years
Yep.
Nope.
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Uhhhh nope. 😂😂😂
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Before we even get started, i dont like it. No faith on it.
Those are the most fun to test
The only thumbs up would be for an extraordinary design. After that 👎🏻
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Lmao.... just like drugs....just say NO!!!
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Good idea but extremely weak design...I'll pass
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Junk
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Pure junk!
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Sorry, but when I looked at thumbnail I couldn’t watch this video. 👎🏻
Why not? It is interesting.
pure junk.
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