also, for carbon value, did you make sure to do 9 color deer byproduct average value - arene/nian by product value average. instead of just 9 color deer byproduct average value
@@winmen5279 Yeah, I use the opportunity cost of using Arene/Nian to calculate the value of Causality. In cell B25 of the 9CD spreadsheet, I compare the EV of using 1.111... crafts to consume Causality vs the same crafts with Arene/Nian.
@@naru2k4 it the first option in 3:58 it just purly for increace prodoction? But what it have to do with workshop and about the powerplant is purly for resource? Noting more noting less?
Who knew that a collab or event would give an operator who is niche on the battle but very meta in making materials in the workshop. Might try this strat out and make it a routine
This is prob more of a long term strat since guaranteed byproduct is really good and in the end game the building mats are useless (unless you want furniture parts). If you need materials now to E2 or M3 an operator right now, then yes it’s not that efficient, but over the course of a long time, getting guaranteed byproduct on T5 crafts is useful.
Works very well when you dont craft on a whim. When you log in, you take her, craft furnitures, than next time you log (since you need to log 2x a day anyway for sanity) you log and craft byproduct. Thats 1 guaranteed T3 material from crafting a day.
Sorry for double post, but was thinking about this and was curious - is it worthwhile for 9CD to craft skill books too *[edit]* in order to build Causality up as well? *[/edit]* Or best to leave those to ops who can increase byproduct rates?
For skillbooks I think the byproducts are the same tier as you are crafting, so crafting green books will also net you green books as byproducts, same with blue ones. These are far more valuable, so higher percentage skills (like Hellagur's) are probably better here.
@Risa I tested it with Hellagur's 18% chance, just to be sure. Crafted 10 green books and gained another 2 green books as a byproduct, so a total of 12 greens.
Since there seems to be a lot of confusion on the replies for this particular comment, I've editted it to reflect what I meant. The big thing I wanted to ask that wasn't clear in my original post is if using skill books as another resource for building Causality was beneficial or not. Based on a community post that Peter has made, the answer is yes but to also spend other resources first on Causality and use skill books when there is nothing else to use
While her E2 skill is less impressive, as someone with horrible luck in crafting those high expensive materials with Nian, I would still consider using Nine Colored Deer for the guarantee over the 'chance' of all the other skills.
my arene could craft 24 to 36 materials and produce 0 byproduct (more than once). yes, i made sure his rate is at max of 20%. the power of explaining things away with rng.
wow, im pretty new and didnt even think that higher tier recipes give better rewards thought nine colored deer's skill was terrible compared to like a +80% biproduct, will absolutely be using her now
Something important to note, her Causality also works on Chip conversion, so you're now no longer losing out on chips for operator promotion. This is, and I'm using very advanced technical jargon, *FUCKING AWESOME*
So no more sanity wasted farming chips and not getting the ones you wanted. Though i think the byproduct for chips can be any of the 8 types no matter the original formula, but still, knowing that you have virtually no losses is amazing, specially considering the day restriction in those stages and that you don't only need chips during CC.
oohh i knew youd do a vid on her base skill. i was pretty skeptical at first of whether shes worth using over nian or not, but to think even other material like building and skillbooks worl on her skill. definitely gonna use the building trick for more furniture parts as well
I'm so happy that HG has crafted a unique operator with niche gameplay but amazing base skill. I think they did this so that even if most of the players don't use her in gameplay but will use her for base. I was just looking at her skill yesterday thinking this skill would be very useful, and now I get this video recommended. Also 9CD looks so elegant and divine, and her voice is so soothing. Truly an amazing waifu.
ive played arknights since launch and made it my project to e2 every operator... struggling on exp and glad to see my suspicion that the exp farming stage is inefficient confirmed... and due to your videos i have found out that i could have had 252 the whole 2.5 years and i want to go cry now... thank you
aww man I've already crafted all my building mats into boxes everyday, for some reason.. either way, great analysis! gonna have mudrock rest now, her job making rocks is over
I know I'm like a week late but in case this is seen, should I go for E2 if I don't have Nian? I have Arene but I'm worried I won't get Nian in the banner....again and was wondering if E2ing is better or simply using other Workshop Ops
Unless you want to use Nine-Colored Deer, E2 for just her Karma base skill is not worth it because the high amount of materials required for promotion and leveling. For efficiency, just use Arene for crafting tier-5 materials while keeping the 4 dormitories filled with low-morale operators (
To be precise, NCD do not get points when base byproduct chance triggers. It can save points from wasting on 36/40, as well as make lose morale on building mats without getting points
I left this out of the video, but 9CD is actually even better when converting tier 2 chips than when getting a free elite mat byproduct. Just make sure to convert in the right direction (e.g. specialist -> guard is good, but guard -> specialist is bad). Also, only convert tier 2 chips; tier 1 chips have half the value, and aren't nearly as good.
@@Shanguy guards in the game outnumber specialists so its overall better not to convert that way. you'll always need guard chips but specialist chips'll pile up from regular farming since not as many specialists get released
Wait but if she needs 40 points, then doesnt it mean i have to wait for her to rest in the dorms for every item i need to craft? Cuz after 24 morale she has no more morale. Will she still gain the points?
Just wondering... If you finally maxed causality, but somehow you're lucky that you get byproduct from 10% chance at the same time, will you get 2 byproducts because of causality + base 10% chance while only doing 1x crafting?
You'll get the byproduct from the RNG, but the Causality won't be consumed (and will stay at 36). The next craft will (probably) consume the Causality. Though there's a chance that you'll get an RNG byproduct again, of course.
If you need to craft a tier 4 material, but you dont have ways to build up causality, is it better to farm for t1/t2 materials(like rocks) or building materials and use them to build causality or is it better to simply use another operator to craft the tier 4 materials? Do tier 1/2 stages have better efficiency than tier 3 because of causality?
Holy smokes. I didn't understand the description - I thought calamity would reset once you get any byproduct, not when you get a guaranteed byproduct. Now I just need something to do with all of those furniture parts...
I never used her because i always assumed that causality is lost once you remove her from workshop. That was always my issue with those weird skills, that you have no in-game numbers how much you generate etc. and you just need to do all the calculations in your head. Good to see you're actually given causality counter when you're using her,
Having looked at her skills and archetype, I was a bit disappointed because her design looked cool. The skill seemed rather off due to me not being too familiar with Workshop and Byproduct mechanics too much, but I'm glad it's this good! Once I max out my base (which should be soon, stocking up for LMD to E2 Ling after she drops, if I hopefuly get her...) I'll get to abusing it! Thanks for the info man, cheers! ^^
Nice info video! BTW could you explain Ling's base skill? She seems like a really good partner with Dusk at the CC, but at the same time, it seems like HG did a thing so they cannot stack due to moral condition, so how do we work around it?
late reply but ling didn't made it not stack but on the contrary, she removed the self mood debuff dusk has if she is in CC, and the sensory information/worldly plight stacks too.
dumb question, but, does putting NCD in the dorms reset the causality and karma values? i’d have to assume not, given that the caps are past what morale she could possibly get
You can't downgrade anything on the right side, but you can downgrade the dormitories, so if you don't care about their benefits, you can still switch to 252 I think
It depends on what you need. 2/4/3 is generally better because of its balance since you can max out your entire base. Max dorms lets you recharge morale faster, access to 50 friends, etc. 2/5/2 offers more in production. Most late game players I know (including myself) run 2/4/3.
does it make sense then to use the guaranteed byproduct for chips? i for example have like more specialist than guard chips, would i able to not loose any sanity on chip conversion loss?
Does her skill work even at 0 morale to spam byproduce? or do we have to stick her in the dorm every time we want to gain karma? the extra effort might make or break her in this case.
For Nine Colored Deer's (NCD) second skill, I think you forgot to include that when you have 72 Karma it won't use the Karma 10% of the time. (it reads, only consumes if it "fails" to make a byproduct and 10% is the base byproduct chance for all operators) I feel like it should work out to be on average the same as Arene's skill because you do 10 crafts and you get one byproduct ignoring the base 10% chance. NCD=10%(base)+10%(skill)=20% =Arene's skill. Am I missing something?
10 crafts on average won't be enough to hit 80 Karma points, since there's a 10% chance for them to generate byproducts too. It takes 11.111 crafts to generate Karma 10 times, which gets you 2.111 byproducts (1 guaranteed and 1.111 from the RNG byproducts). This is 0.19 byproducts per craft overall, or a 90% boost.
@@PeterYR Thank you, that makes sense. I don't completely understand how you got 11.1 repeating and 2.1 but it works out. (Brute Force method) Divided Karma by 8/8 to make math easy. On average 10 crafts=1 Byproduct (RNG), 9/10 Karma (-1/10 because byproduct from RNG) 20 Crafts=2 Byproducts (RNG),18/10 Karma (-2/10) x5 = x5 ... 100 Crafts= 10 Byproducts RNG, 90/10 Karma (-10/10) 90/10=9 byproducts 10 (Byproducts from RNG) +9 (From Karma)=19 Byproducts 19 Byproducts/100 Crafts=.19 Byproducts/Craft, or a 90% boost overall.
what. why is it that if i stack craft mine, for example 2 morale craft, stack 5 and it becomes 10 morale. but then when i craft it only gives me 2 points
Compared to base setups with 3 power plants, it has an extra slot for a Trading Post/Factory. In almost all cases this is much better than having fewer facilities at higher levels. Check out ScifiGemini's spreadsheet for some calculations (docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RsD7xkLTJUUvIPcv6RSBIGJospUATD40c-kAZ1h5Efw/edit?usp=sharing). A max-right 252 already beats 243 and 153, and other 252 variants are even better.
@@PeterYR the fact that this is mathematically true feels unintenional. Shame you can't downgrade HR, feels like a damn trap now. Hopefully Hypergryph will change that in the future.
252 has always been the best setup for (almost) all players, but no one had done the math until around 2 years ago. But its main advantage over 243 is its lower setup cost, and 252's production is only slightly better, so most players don't want to switch. Nine-Colored Deer's base skill just gives a big extra incentive to switch over.
Me with Arene while others in dorm : best i can do is +10%. Jokes aside i would love to use her problem is idk how much Memory Fragment, Karma/Casualty, etc. i have
Fortunately, counters for Nine-Colored Deer's Causality and Karma skills are shown at the top-left of the crafting section as shown in 3:03 (only shows Causality, Karma would appear below that).
You kept showing orirock concentrations as the mat you should use to abuse her skill, does that mean she can't make byproduct off of higher tier mats such as Poly Preps or D32 Steels?
Bro i need some help about Ling base skill at 1st and 2nd, even tough i understand in English but i don't know how it works. Thus, i need to know how to use Ling in the Basement
If I understood correctly, if you don't use Dusk, Mr. Nothing or Rosmontis, then don't bother. For first base skill, it is for "Sui" operators in the Control Center that lose morale faster from their own base skill (such as Dusk), so that would mean Dusk would lose morale slower when she is with Ling. For second base skill, when Ling's morale is above 12, she gains "Worldly Plight", which is for Mr. Nothing's Trading Post skill. If Ling's morale is 12 or below, she gains "Sensory Information" which is for Rosmontis's Factory skill.
@@PeterYR My bad, I should've opened all of the files before I commented. 1 clarifying question though. In the 9CD file shouldn't the "1 to 2" and "2 to 3" crafts required be 36 and 18 respectively? Why are they set to 40 and 20? I can only imagine making them lower would improve the results in favor of 9CD but just trying to make sure I follow the calculation.
@@ian59 There's a 10% chance to get RNG byproducts, so it takes a couple extra crafts on average to hit 36 Causality points. Divide 36 by 0.9 to get the morale you need to spend (= 40).
Operators like nine coloured deer get added for people who want to make things more complicated. As an endgame player I’m happy just chucking one of the already established workshop operators in there and making do. After a while you have less need for resources as you’ve promoted most of the ops you’re interested in and already given them masteries.
Back to this girl, she can give you byproduct by gaining causality, but i think it's kinda long, you need to fill up to 36 points and each point equal 1 morale, normally an operator has 24 morale, you use them all, then you restore them again up to 20 morale (12 morale to reach 36 points and 8 morale to make the most expensive material (idk how to call it)) to just make 1 byproduct, imagine you up M3 a skill, it needs 6 D32 Steel and you're trying to use this girl to get profit, so how long is it for you to get all profit from making D32 Steel to M3 the skill? 🐸
252 already produces more items, but the difference isn't very large if you have a 243 and your right side buildings (Office and Reception Room) are max level. But since building boxes are completely refunded, and 252 costs much fewer of them, you get a bunch of free boxes from switching over. This is a pretty big immediate bonus, and you get higher production afterwards anyways.
Do beware though that going 252 would start reduce efficiency if you fail to do "Rapid login rotation"(Basically just logging in before base start getting full and operator start becoming overworked) 243: Is best with just casually beeing lazy or just beeing standard 252: Increase overall efficiency at the cost of credit/day and critically reduce morale regeneration or maximum storage. Potentially reduce future efficiency
@@iloveknife8798 This is one of the main misconceptions with 252, and one that I plan to address in a future video. But in short, 252 outperforms 243 no matter how often you log in, and only 243 can use its dorms for more frequent rotations. So if anything, 243 would be the "tryhard" setup, except that it doesn't even beat 252 with intensive rotations.
At 5:09, the "Craft x1.111..." on the very left should be "x11.111..." instead. Oops.
also, for carbon value, did you make sure to do 9 color deer byproduct average value - arene/nian by product value average. instead of just 9 color deer byproduct average value
@@winmen5279 Yeah, I use the opportunity cost of using Arene/Nian to calculate the value of Causality. In cell B25 of the 9CD spreadsheet, I compare the EV of using 1.111... crafts to consume Causality vs the same crafts with Arene/Nian.
@@PeterYR can you please explain why we need to change to 252 solution please? I'm kinda confuse
@@best271043 You... did watch the video right? Either I'm missing something in your question or 3:58 completely went over your head
@@naru2k4 it the first option in 3:58 it just purly for increace prodoction? But what it have to do with workshop and about the powerplant is purly for resource? Noting more noting less?
Who knew that a collab or event would give an operator who is niche on the battle but very meta in making materials in the workshop. Might try this strat out and make it a routine
Building materials : "finally, my time has come"
I saw JP player practically use the skill on video, but spreadsheet and your explanation are best.
Thanks as always, dude.
Was literally looking for this info in your iceberg video a few hours ago. Thanks for the summary and explanation!
interesting on the spreadsheet but seems quite tedious since you only get one craft per two rotations out of the dorms...
This is prob more of a long term strat since guaranteed byproduct is really good and in the end game the building mats are useless (unless you want furniture parts). If you need materials now to E2 or M3 an operator right now, then yes it’s not that efficient, but over the course of a long time, getting guaranteed byproduct on T5 crafts is useful.
If you plan the mats ahead of the banner. It works good.
i was thinking the same
Works very well when you dont craft on a whim. When you log in, you take her, craft furnitures, than next time you log (since you need to log 2x a day anyway for sanity) you log and craft byproduct. Thats 1 guaranteed T3 material from crafting a day.
Sorry for double post, but was thinking about this and was curious - is it worthwhile for 9CD to craft skill books too *[edit]* in order to build Causality up as well? *[/edit]* Or best to leave those to ops who can increase byproduct rates?
For skillbooks I think the byproducts are the same tier as you are crafting, so crafting green books will also net you green books as byproducts, same with blue ones. These are far more valuable, so higher percentage skills (like Hellagur's) are probably better here.
she just likes changing carbons into other meterals.but carbon is also limited.so ydbt choose the most valuable product - upgrade meterals
@Risa I tested it with Hellagur's 18% chance, just to be sure. Crafted 10 green books and gained another 2 green books as a byproduct, so a total of 12 greens.
i mean you dont get infinite stuff for the skill to activate so might as well use it on something good like tier 4 crafting.
Since there seems to be a lot of confusion on the replies for this particular comment, I've editted it to reflect what I meant.
The big thing I wanted to ask that wasn't clear in my original post is if using skill books as another resource for building Causality was beneficial or not. Based on a community post that Peter has made, the answer is yes but to also spend other resources first on Causality and use skill books when there is nothing else to use
Time to bring this video back up, since you can get her again today in login event
While her E2 skill is less impressive, as someone with horrible luck in crafting those high expensive materials with Nian, I would still consider using Nine Colored Deer for the guarantee over the 'chance' of all the other skills.
Ah thanks god I'm not the only one who's nian doesn't want to give byproduct
but roi :blitzsmile:
100%percent is lie
my arene could craft 24 to 36 materials and produce 0 byproduct (more than once). yes, i made sure his rate is at max of 20%. the power of explaining things away with rng.
Glad to see a Ghost in the shell lover also obsessed with the same game! High five
wow, im pretty new and didnt even think that higher tier recipes give better rewards
thought nine colored deer's skill was terrible compared to like a +80% biproduct, will absolutely be using her now
Something important to note, her Causality also works on Chip conversion, so you're now no longer losing out on chips for operator promotion.
This is, and I'm using very advanced technical jargon, *FUCKING AWESOME*
So no more sanity wasted farming chips and not getting the ones you wanted. Though i think the byproduct for chips can be any of the 8 types no matter the original formula, but still, knowing that you have virtually no losses is amazing, specially considering the day restriction in those stages and that you don't only need chips during CC.
bro using literal deity to work for him endlessly
what a madlad
Very good calculation, thankyou 👍👍 ill sacrifice building mat for now on since i had a bunch of them
oohh i knew youd do a vid on her base skill. i was pretty skeptical at first of whether shes worth using over nian or not, but to think even other material like building and skillbooks worl on her skill. definitely gonna use the building trick for more furniture parts as well
It's a good day when Peter grace us with a video
I'm so happy that HG has crafted a unique operator with niche gameplay but amazing base skill. I think they did this so that even if most of the players don't use her in gameplay but will use her for base.
I was just looking at her skill yesterday thinking this skill would be very useful, and now I get this video recommended.
Also 9CD looks so elegant and divine, and her voice is so soothing. Truly an amazing waifu.
This video needs to get more views! Really good info!
Thank you so much peter. Was waiting for your video. Also thank you to others doctors for additional calculations. 🙏
ive played arknights since launch and made it my project to e2 every operator... struggling on exp and glad to see my suspicion that the exp farming stage is inefficient confirmed... and due to your videos i have found out that i could have had 252 the whole 2.5 years and i want to go cry now... thank you
Now Ceylon and BP and Meteorite can finally rest.
You sir have opened my eyes
Great work with the NCD crafting overview Peter. Cheers!
Here now that I can make stonks as well thanks to the 9CD rerun, thanks again Peter
You, sir, are a life saver
Thank you so much!
damn.. i kept reading her base skill as casualty
Was waiting for this, thanks for the information!
thank you for your extensive research and explanation :D
aww man I've already crafted all my building mats into boxes everyday, for some reason..
either way, great analysis! gonna have mudrock rest now, her job making rocks is over
God I love AK community. They're the one only who gets excited over improvement that requires 10 times more work.
More work = more rewards, it's common sense.
And yes, I am excited.
@@hypersexualization3998 at some point you gotta have some self-respect.
@@dark0al097 no, I am already suffering weekly anni and this shit is not even a fraction of it.
@@hypersexualization3998 so no self-respect then. At least we're being honest.
@@dark0al097 don't care, it's not even hard work.
Thanks for this info, this is now part of my daily routine, even have fiametta so I can do it twice a day when I'm not using her for proviso!
Homing crap, I didn't understand her base skill until this! Thanks so much!
This was very informative. thanks.
I know I'm like a week late but in case this is seen, should I go for E2 if I don't have Nian?
I have Arene but I'm worried I won't get Nian in the banner....again and was wondering if E2ing is better or simply using other Workshop Ops
Unless you want to use Nine-Colored Deer, E2 for just her Karma base skill is not worth it because the high amount of materials required for promotion and leveling.
For efficiency, just use Arene for crafting tier-5 materials while keeping the 4 dormitories filled with low-morale operators (
Cool! i hope the next collab ops have something meta on base skill,like R6S and NDC does
To be precise, NCD do not get points when base byproduct chance triggers. It can save points from wasting on 36/40, as well as make lose morale on building mats without getting points
I always use her when converting chips since it guarantee that my total chip count stays the same
I left this out of the video, but 9CD is actually even better when converting tier 2 chips than when getting a free elite mat byproduct. Just make sure to convert in the right direction (e.g. specialist -> guard is good, but guard -> specialist is bad). Also, only convert tier 2 chips; tier 1 chips have half the value, and aren't nearly as good.
@@PeterYR why is guard -> specialist bad?
@@Shanguy guards in the game outnumber specialists so its overall better not to convert that way. you'll always need guard chips but specialist chips'll pile up from regular farming since not as many specialists get released
@@nkroart ah, makes sense
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Wait but if she needs 40 points, then doesnt it mean i have to wait for her to rest in the dorms for every item i need to craft? Cuz after 24 morale she has no more morale. Will she still gain the points?
updates?
Thx for the trick, now I'll make sure to work her to the bone ;D
Inside workshop obviously.
Just wondering...
If you finally maxed causality, but somehow you're lucky that you get byproduct from 10% chance at the same time, will you get 2 byproducts because of causality + base 10% chance while only doing 1x crafting?
You'll get the byproduct from the RNG, but the Causality won't be consumed (and will stay at 36). The next craft will (probably) consume the Causality. Though there's a chance that you'll get an RNG byproduct again, of course.
look like i can't escape math wherever i go
Thanks for video
Well rounded as always
the thumbnail💀
thumbnail so divine its make me wanna touch vegetations
If you need to craft a tier 4 material, but you dont have ways to build up causality, is it better to farm for t1/t2 materials(like rocks) or building materials and use them to build causality or is it better to simply use another operator to craft the tier 4 materials?
Do tier 1/2 stages have better efficiency than tier 3 because of causality?
If you're out of "9cd fuel", just use your next-best workshop crafter. Don't wait around for more "fuel".
Holy smokes. I didn't understand the description - I thought calamity would reset once you get any byproduct, not when you get a guaranteed byproduct. Now I just need something to do with all of those furniture parts...
Dam I didn't even pay attention to her base abilities
Do you have a google doc/ guide showing the best possible combination and rotation to have your operators in if you have all operators e2?
If I'm out of base mats, is it sanity efficient to use 9CD instead of Hellagur for crafting skill books 2 and 3?
nice explanation!
you earned a sub :>
thanks for the explanation👍
holybalans of the Terra.
thanks for the tutor!
"Arknight is perfectly balance game with no exploit"
Does this change the optimal way to upconvert skill books from the current way of just using Hellagur?
Ty very much for this man
I never used her because i always assumed that causality is lost once you remove her from workshop. That was always my issue with those weird skills, that you have no in-game numbers how much you generate etc. and you just need to do all the calculations in your head. Good to see you're actually given causality counter when you're using her,
Finally, building materials is useful, again
Having looked at her skills and archetype, I was a bit disappointed because her design looked cool. The skill seemed rather off due to me not being too familiar with Workshop and Byproduct mechanics too much, but I'm glad it's this good! Once I max out my base (which should be soon, stocking up for LMD to E2 Ling after she drops, if I hopefuly get her...) I'll get to abusing it! Thanks for the info man, cheers! ^^
Nice info video!
BTW could you explain Ling's base skill? She seems like a really good partner with Dusk at the CC, but at the same time, it seems like HG did a thing so they cannot stack due to moral condition, so how do we work around it?
late reply but ling didn't made it not stack but on the contrary, she removed the self mood debuff dusk has if she is in CC, and the sensory information/worldly plight stacks too.
dumb question, but, does putting NCD in the dorms reset the causality and karma values? i’d have to assume not, given that the caps are past what morale she could possibly get
they carry over. don't worry
3:50
Can I and should I downgrade from 243 to 252 even if I have everything maxed out (even right side)? is it worth it
You can't downgrade anything on the right side, but you can downgrade the dormitories, so if you don't care about their benefits, you can still switch to 252 I think
It depends on what you need. 2/4/3 is generally better because of its balance since you can max out your entire base. Max dorms lets you recharge morale faster, access to 50 friends, etc. 2/5/2 offers more in production. Most late game players I know (including myself) run 2/4/3.
I'll E2 her anyway for the E2 Art. Also is it not ideal to max level all your factories?
does it make sense then to use the guaranteed byproduct for chips? i for example have like more specialist than guard chips, would i able to not loose any sanity on chip conversion loss?
do you recommend giving skill summary tier 1 to 9cd or la pluma?
Sorry, I don't quite get the credit store part. Are carbons only best to buy when they're at 75% discount?
yes. however, you can also consider -50% carbons when you have excess credits and no more discounted items
Yes, some offers like LMD will always beat 50% or 0% discount carbon. The full spreadsheet of rankings is linked in the description.
Will take a look
thanks for the response!
But wait... What was the result of the 5 AM testing session? Does 9CD's pity still apply, even at 0 morale? It would speed up the process quite a bit.
Pretty much everything at 1:13. And no, 9CD doesn't do anything at 0 morale, just like all other base skills.
@@PeterYR Great, thanks a lot. It seems that planning whatever you craft in advance will continue to be necessary.
I love how on the discord chat everyone is complaining about the hour but this Nine-Colored Deer fan is like "BUt tHe BaSe skiLls" 😂
Does her skill work even at 0 morale to spam byproduce? or do we have to stick her in the dorm every time we want to gain karma? the extra effort might make or break her in this case.
You unfortunately cannot build Causality / Karma if you don't have morale to spend on by-products chances.
For Nine Colored Deer's (NCD) second skill, I think you forgot to include that when you have 72 Karma it won't use the Karma 10% of the time. (it reads, only consumes if it "fails" to make a byproduct and 10% is the base byproduct chance for all operators) I feel like it should work out to be on average the same as Arene's skill because you do 10 crafts and you get one byproduct ignoring the base 10% chance. NCD=10%(base)+10%(skill)=20% =Arene's skill. Am I missing something?
10 crafts on average won't be enough to hit 80 Karma points, since there's a 10% chance for them to generate byproducts too. It takes 11.111 crafts to generate Karma 10 times, which gets you 2.111 byproducts (1 guaranteed and 1.111 from the RNG byproducts). This is 0.19 byproducts per craft overall, or a 90% boost.
@@PeterYR Thank you, that makes sense. I don't completely understand how you got 11.1 repeating and 2.1 but it works out.
(Brute Force method)
Divided Karma by 8/8 to make math easy.
On average
10 crafts=1 Byproduct (RNG), 9/10 Karma (-1/10 because byproduct from RNG)
20 Crafts=2 Byproducts (RNG),18/10 Karma (-2/10)
x5 = x5
...
100 Crafts= 10 Byproducts RNG, 90/10 Karma (-10/10)
90/10=9 byproducts
10 (Byproducts from RNG) +9 (From Karma)=19 Byproducts
19 Byproducts/100 Crafts=.19 Byproducts/Craft, or a 90% boost overall.
what. why is it that if i stack craft mine, for example 2 morale craft, stack 5 and it becomes 10 morale. but then when i craft it only gives me 2 points
Question, does she lose it if you put her in dorm? (Im assuming no)
no
can you compare event and story stages with the introduction of 9cd
Is a 252 with a single tier 3 workshop really the best? It feels... counterintuitive? I personally run a 153, all t3.
Compared to base setups with 3 power plants, it has an extra slot for a Trading Post/Factory. In almost all cases this is much better than having fewer facilities at higher levels.
Check out ScifiGemini's spreadsheet for some calculations (docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RsD7xkLTJUUvIPcv6RSBIGJospUATD40c-kAZ1h5Efw/edit?usp=sharing). A max-right 252 already beats 243 and 153, and other 252 variants are even better.
@@PeterYR the fact that this is mathematically true feels unintenional. Shame you can't downgrade HR, feels like a damn trap now. Hopefully Hypergryph will change that in the future.
Is the base 252 layout just for the building materials? Or is it the meta now?
I just returned to the game after 1 year.
252 has always been the best setup for (almost) all players, but no one had done the math until around 2 years ago. But its main advantage over 243 is its lower setup cost, and 252's production is only slightly better, so most players don't want to switch. Nine-Colored Deer's base skill just gives a big extra incentive to switch over.
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Oh man tysm
Are skill summary get that effect?
Me with Arene while others in dorm : best i can do is +10%.
Jokes aside i would love to use her problem is idk how much Memory Fragment, Karma/Casualty, etc. i have
Fortunately, counters for Nine-Colored Deer's Causality and Karma skills are shown at the top-left of the crafting section as shown in 3:03 (only shows Causality, Karma would appear below that).
@@cheekywombat9208 how about other Operator? Because I just realised there's a Counter for her when I watched the full Video
You kept showing orirock concentrations as the mat you should use to abuse her skill, does that mean she can't make byproduct off of higher tier mats such as Poly Preps or D32 Steels?
Recipes for tier 5 elite mats cost 8 morale, so Causality doesn't work on them. Use Arene/Nian for them as usual.
@@PeterYR Gotcha, thank you!
I'm burning through my carbon sticks and recharging NCD with Durin and Saileach to go back to work hehehe
Bro i need some help about Ling base skill at 1st and 2nd, even tough i understand in English but i don't know how it works. Thus, i need to know how to use Ling in the Basement
If I understood correctly, if you don't use Dusk, Mr. Nothing or Rosmontis, then don't bother.
For first base skill, it is for "Sui" operators in the Control Center that lose morale faster from their own base skill (such as Dusk), so that would mean Dusk would lose morale slower when she is with Ling.
For second base skill, when Ling's morale is above 12, she gains "Worldly Plight", which is for Mr. Nothing's Trading Post skill. If Ling's morale is 12 or below, she gains "Sensory Information" which is for Rosmontis's Factory skill.
@@cheekywombat9208 owh so that's how it works, you finally makes me successfully found the solution. Thank you very much 🙏
Is there any way I could persuade you to add coroserum to the spreadsheet with blemishine, 9 colored deer, and the 100%-80% math?
He's already in the "Workshop Base Skills" sheet. He sucks at low tiers, and gets a bit better at T4 and T5, but never beats Arene/Nian.
@@PeterYR
My bad, I should've opened all of the files before I commented.
1 clarifying question though. In the 9CD file shouldn't the "1 to 2" and "2 to 3" crafts required be 36 and 18 respectively? Why are they set to 40 and 20?
I can only imagine making them lower would improve the results in favor of 9CD but just trying to make sure I follow the calculation.
@@ian59 There's a 10% chance to get RNG byproducts, so it takes a couple extra crafts on average to hit 36 Causality points. Divide 36 by 0.9 to get the morale you need to spend (= 40).
@@PeterYR
That makes sense, thanks for the explanation.
But I don't want to switc to 252! It gives me a headache to have stuff unmaxed.
I'm lvl 101 and didn't even know there was a "workshop meta"
Level 100 and same. It just depends on the person tbh. Some people are math wizards and they will nerd the shit out of things
Operators like nine coloured deer get added for people who want to make things more complicated. As an endgame player I’m happy just chucking one of the already established workshop operators in there and making do. After a while you have less need for resources as you’ve promoted most of the ops you’re interested in and already given them masteries.
I'm new do you have to be a certain rank to get her?
Nope, you just need to log into the game and you get her for free. The login event will end in a few days though.
Back to this girl, she can give you byproduct by gaining causality, but i think it's kinda long, you need to fill up to 36 points and each point equal 1 morale, normally an operator has 24 morale, you use them all, then you restore them again up to 20 morale (12 morale to reach 36 points and 8 morale to make the most expensive material (idk how to call it)) to just make 1 byproduct, imagine you up M3 a skill, it needs 6 D32 Steel and you're trying to use this girl to get profit, so how long is it for you to get all profit from making D32 Steel to M3 the skill? 🐸
That's why her ability maybe interesting but not useful as Nian or Arene, not recommend for lazy people like me to open Arknights lots of time xd
E2 skill havnt necessity to use
pls save carbons for times of changing
chip type with no loss
It's all good, but base is already a hasle. I just use whatever. Good video for those minmaxing though
So this is a sign for me to farm 1k rocks
The only part I didn't understand, why would it be better to go to 252?
252 already produces more items, but the difference isn't very large if you have a 243 and your right side buildings (Office and Reception Room) are max level. But since building boxes are completely refunded, and 252 costs much fewer of them, you get a bunch of free boxes from switching over. This is a pretty big immediate bonus, and you get higher production afterwards anyways.
Do beware though that going 252 would start reduce efficiency if you fail to do "Rapid login rotation"(Basically just logging in before base start getting full and operator start becoming overworked)
243: Is best with just casually beeing lazy or just beeing standard
252: Increase overall efficiency at the cost of credit/day and critically reduce morale regeneration or maximum storage. Potentially reduce future efficiency
@@iloveknife8798 This is one of the main misconceptions with 252, and one that I plan to address in a future video. But in short, 252 outperforms 243 no matter how often you log in, and only 243 can use its dorms for more frequent rotations. So if anything, 243 would be the "tryhard" setup, except that it doesn't even beat 252 with intensive rotations.
So it's a pity system for the workshop then?
Too bad i don't have her...
Yassssdss finally
I don't get it, how do you spend 40 morale, operators only have 24 right?
time to farm unlimited rocks
Can someone explain me why a 252 base setup is better?
One more factory for gold or EXP card production of 252 is more valuable than the dormitory (and office) upgrades of 243.
@@cheekywombat9208 I see. Thanks for your kind explanation.
By less "interesting" do you mean less advantageous?
I saw what you did with the workshop
Imagine being so poor you're scrounging over random blue scraps.
abusing the good will of a goddess may have moral consequences :)
/doge