Yuh i dont get why they dislike this so much! My sensei even told me like "hey this is banned from tournaments!" Later i saw the recent national fights its still being used quite a fair bit =_=
+Dudongo86 I like Tani Otoshi better because I can control the force of the fall better. I don't need to smash my opponent. I just want a score. But I did not realize before this video the set up is almost the same.
@@rayrontour57 That makes sense but I find on taller opponents they step around the tani otoshi with the outside leg, whereas ura nage takes that option away from them. The only downside is that you need to use more power than with tani otoshi, but that's not an issue if you're reasonably strong and uki isn't too much bigger than you.
Couple of things - it's difficult to shop the hip rotation when you are using a crash mat and you are doing it slowly to demonstrate (and on someone bigger than you). It's also much harder than people think for the refs to give ippon against you - it is such a big decisive throw and it's very clear who the person being thrown is. That being said, the rotation does come fairly naturally in a dynamic environment like randori or shiai.
thats a point worth considering, but always using the crash mat sometime stops you short of hat last bit of rotation so give the guy a little latitude.
I completely agree, as iv said i just thought it was worth noting. it was fresh in my mind as iv had one go against me, my opponent attempted an uchimata which i hip blocked and countered with a ura nage, i got a clean lift but landed on my back during the throw (sloppy), i my coach and my opponents coach clearly thought id got it but the ref gave it as ipon against me. I can only assume he thought it was some kind of Ouchi gari
yes Pete does actually mention this but I edited that bit out. Pete makes a conscious decision to enter into an Osaekomi waza each and every time to ensure the Ippon is given to him
Sorry I meant to add more to that. He needs to rotate his hips over so that he lands hips down or at very least on his side. If you lift your opponent and go over on to your back, in the scrabble of competition it's easy for the ref to give as an ipon against you.
I think a better strategy is to do an arm drag and pull the opponents arm across ur body, so that u can get behind for the Ura Nage. U also need to get ur hips lower to really use this throw and try and toss the opponent over ur shoulder during the climax of the throw as well as turn urself to avoid injury. U could do that perfect arch, but be careful, too many people wanna be flashy with it, and a back flip can result in a really bad injury as well as death. The heavier u are, the more I recommend u do a regular standard Ura Nage, besides a suplex from a heavier opponent will always be more devastating than one from a lighter opponent, despite how simple the forms usually are from an ultra heavyweight.
So I have a question... Lately I have been finding myself in the throwers position like in the first demonstration here. This is in jiu-jitsu class and I keep thinking they could throw me with this or tani otoshi, but I am wondering what I can do? I think sometimes the entry starts with me going for osoto gari and it fails. Then I try something like harai goshi and uchi mata, but they grab me and are kinda on my back. I was thinking because they have grips and are kinda leaning back I could go for ko uchi gari, but I can't get my leg in there as they have their grips on me and it's tight. Anybody have an idea of what I can do in that situation?
Awesome, a technique many senseis hate but super useful!
Yuh i dont get why they dislike this so much!
My sensei even told me like "hey this is banned from tournaments!"
Later i saw the recent national fights its still being used quite a fair bit =_=
+Dudongo86
I like Tani Otoshi better because I can control the force of the fall better. I don't need to smash my opponent. I just want a score. But I did not realize before this video the set up is almost the same.
@@rayrontour57 That makes sense but I find on taller opponents they step around the tani otoshi with the outside leg, whereas ura nage takes that option away from them. The only downside is that you need to use more power than with tani otoshi, but that's not an issue if you're reasonably strong and uki isn't too much bigger than you.
another great vid from beyond grappling. you guys are the best.
Couple of things - it's difficult to shop the hip rotation when you are using a crash mat and you are doing it slowly to demonstrate (and on someone bigger than you). It's also much harder than people think for the refs to give ippon against you - it is such a big decisive throw and it's very clear who the person being thrown is. That being said, the rotation does come fairly naturally in a dynamic environment like randori or shiai.
thats a point worth considering, but always using the crash mat sometime stops you short of hat last bit of rotation so give the guy a little latitude.
sweet i was hoping for a video like this for a while
I completely agree, as iv said i just thought it was worth noting.
it was fresh in my mind as iv had one go against me, my opponent attempted an uchimata which i hip blocked and countered with a ura nage, i got a clean lift but landed on my back during the throw (sloppy), i my coach and my opponents coach clearly thought id got it but the ref gave it as ipon against me. I can only assume he thought it was some kind of Ouchi gari
yes Pete does actually mention this but I edited that bit out. Pete makes a conscious decision to enter into an Osaekomi waza each and every time to ensure the Ippon is given to him
thanks it was really helpfull since im smaller and with less experience than my team mates!
Hope you are more experienced than you teammates now
Sorry I meant to add more to that. He needs to rotate his hips over so that he lands hips down or at very least on his side. If you lift your opponent and go over on to your back, in the scrabble of competition it's easy for the ref to give as an ipon against you.
I'm sooo trying this on some Judokas who won't see it coming.
Sorry at 4:55 says "you don´t wanna go too xxxx" , english is not my native language, thank´s
"You don't want to go too early"
I think a better strategy is to do an arm drag and pull the opponents arm across ur body, so that u can get behind for the Ura Nage. U also need to get ur hips lower to really use this throw and try and toss the opponent over ur shoulder during the climax of the throw as well as turn urself to avoid injury. U could do that perfect arch, but be careful, too many people wanna be flashy with it, and a back flip can result in a really bad injury as well as death. The heavier u are, the more I recommend u do a regular standard Ura Nage, besides a suplex from a heavier opponent will always be more devastating than one from a lighter opponent, despite how simple the forms usually are from an ultra heavyweight.
So I have a question...
Lately I have been finding myself in the throwers position like in the first demonstration here. This is in jiu-jitsu class and I keep thinking they could throw me with this or tani otoshi, but I am wondering what I can do?
I think sometimes the entry starts with me going for osoto gari and it fails. Then I try something like harai goshi and uchi mata, but they grab me and are kinda on my back.
I was thinking because they have grips and are kinda leaning back I could go for ko uchi gari, but I can't get my leg in there as they have their grips on me and it's tight.
Anybody have an idea of what I can do in that situation?
Yeah I thought the mat was probably the cause, but thought it was worth noting
merci super
Hurts so good. If you're the one doing it.
Could you make a video of how to counter a double leg takedown?
The double leg takedown is illegal in judo. Which in my opinion it's stupid as hell lol
sprawl...
.... Yup, sprawl. There are also other ways of countering an upcoming double leg takedown.
oh or something i like to do is throw one leg back so they have to go single then dive down and grab their opposite leg and scramble
That's one of the best and comfortable ways
how do you make sure you dont crach your head as you throw him
thanks
You turn belly down.
The second one is similar to a saito suplex in pro wrestling haha.
Omg it is
Nice!!!!!!!!
Thank you! Cheers!
Is this throw still legal?
Yeah my friend does judo and he said its legal. It's one of his favorite throws.
Dakiwakare
"crash"
lol crash bad lol if it hurts your doing it wrong