We discovered Anglican Unscripted during covid. It has been a revelation and an encouragement every month!! So grateful to God for your faithful ministry - sharing The Truth with undaunted confidence in Him to continue building His church despite the circumstances that assail it....the gates of hell will not prevail against her-United'as-one'in-Christ our Lord - praise His Name and God bless you guys x
Regarding the older men in your parish, someone once said this and I’ve always remembered it. “There are some truths so profound that we must hear them over and over again until we hear them for the first time“. The Gospel is worth sharing over and over again
Referring to the treatment of Rev Brett Murphy by Bishop Fenwick and the incredible history of abuse of power by Fenwick and his gang that has now surfaced.
Canada is a perfect example that once Faith is abandoned, Reason disappears. Where God is despised, human life is hated. Atheist materialism is sustainable through mass drug abuse.
I love you two wise old heads and this little show. Thanks for your commitment to it, us and The Lord, I appreciate your devotion to the truth and I must say that of all the foreigners I have ever encountered, George is the only one with such a great grasp of the British political system and how it works. If you ever Come to the UK George I'd love to buy you a pint!
Thank you for staying true to preaching the Gospel. I would argue that no one who is indwelt by God's Holy Spirit can be a universalist. Jesus is exclusive--THE way, THE truth, and THE life.
I'm not sure that follows. Jesus can be the only way to salvation, but I would argue that he can cast his net as wide as he wants. Indeed, God is sovereign and I have no doubt that if he so wished he could save everyone. I'm certain he will gather more people into his many mansions than some "narrow is the way" Protestants may believe....
@@royquick-s5nYes, sorry, I don't think I was very clear. I was simply making the point that just because Jesus is *the only* way to the Father, it does not follow that we can be clear who will/will not be saved, as if there were some simple formula ("Recite this prayer and you will be saved"). As you say, God has given guidance in Scripture, but also hints at a wider salvation in various places. Some Christians seem to positively*want* a narrow view but I don't believe it to be necessary or Scriptural.
Canon George you are a generous and spirit filled man,I'm going to your Jail,bells n smells plus your sermon( that's not jail)😅 Kevin you're great too😊 Bless you both,its always insightful and fun.
Great episode! I love hearing your views on the Catholic news. Lots of us Catholics are unhappy with Francis. He's been at this for years. Sadly, many Catholics don't take an interest in 'high level' stuff, and remain blissfully ignorant of what is going on at the Vatican. But as you point out, the traditional voices are ever louder, thank goodness. Brett Murphy - hmmm! While I support him in his ongoing issues with the FCE, he doesn’t do himself any favours, does he? Free speech is a wonderful thing, but when you have two children and a pregnant wife, I would dare to suggest that a bit of wisdom is in order. I flatly don't believe that God has told him to say all this stuff - but he seems almost to be enjoying being some sort of martyr. This ain't right when your choices result in your wife and kids becoming homeless! I speak from painful experience, having grown up with parents who claimed that God was telling them to go somewhere new every 2-3 years, regardless of the wreckage caused in their children's lives. Frankly, while it looks as if there has been a failure of process in his sacking, he could really do with showing a bit more maturity in his choices. I'll get off my soapbox now 🙄.
@@royquick-s5n What??? I'm saying that it is possible to get a traditional perspective across on social media without crossing the line into areas that are likely to threaten your home. That's my point. Plus...Francis clearly quoted on the Vatican website as saying 'All religions lead to God'. So I'm not sure what TLM has to do with my earlier comment.
I am a Catholic and I, too, am concerned about the reckless statements of Pope Francis. Why be a missionary or even a Catholic if it is only one of many ways to salvation. Jesus Our Lord is the only way to the Father. He, alone, is the world's only Saviour. We need Popes and bishops who are true Apostles like Peter who said, "There is only one Name under heaven by which we can be saved.... Jesus Christ!"
The why comes from the who: this pope is a potato, I'm a profigal son, i don't particularly like him yet, when I go to Adoration, i get outta there w joy and enough power to basically pray over ppl and their souls get sanctified or even saved. M+
@@royquick-s5n Jorge's words inevitably lead to the conclusion that salvation is optional - this is the only conclusion if religions are just languages that all lead to god. No need for Jesus or Christianity or salvation if any other religion will get you to god.
Immigration of skilled labor also reduced the quality of the countries they are migrating from. while also driving down wages for skilled laborers here. Nah, just pause immigration for a decade till we get it sorted out.
Well thought and said, George, on how you bring sacramental style services to the prisoners. And you use this to preach and evangelical-style sermon about Jesus Christ and draw these men to Jesus. Great! I pray that God will bless this work, for I'm confident it is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
I like your biasses - probably because I share most of them. I appreciate how you apply these to Church and secular news. I'll keep watching and listening to your analysis and comment. Thank you from England and keep up the good work. Please keep praying for us under the regime of Communist two tier Kier.
Im on yhe Carlosle diocesan synod. We dont want a prograsive loberl bishop. The problem is that the archbishops cannot afford to have any more orthodox diocesan bishops in the house of bishops... Or they might lose their direction of travel. So not being able to gain the 67% required to support their suggeations. They will find a work around so they can ensure they have a perminant voting majority among bishops. If they can do it on changeing doctrine by the bck door, they will do the same with episcopal aelection.
I really didn't know that the fighting in Sudan is about oil, or that China and Russia are funding the opposing sides. Thank you, I try to pay attention to these things, but I was ignorant on that
Thanks for the show - I agree with just about every word of it, but I wonder if you agree with me here? When explaining that church leadership is male, St Paul focused on God’s created order - ‘Adam was formed first, then Eve’ - indicating that male headship should be for all places and all times. He affirmed male headship in stating that ‘the man is head of the woman, even as Christ is head of the church’ - then going on to say that ‘wives should submit… to their husbands’. Men should not then submit to someone else’s wife who becomes a ‘bishop’. In approaching Eve, the serpent intentionally set about subverting the God-given order before going on to question the word of God, contradict the word of God, and suggest to the woman that she could be like God. She took the lead and Adam, the man, followed in an act of sinful rebellion. And that’s the issue here from start to finish - rebellion. It’s as the sin of something or other.
That’s sort of what I copied from another persons years ago, here it is “The most important book in the OT is Genesis, in it we discover what God is like, how he created the world, how he relates to humanity, and what happened at the beginning. Genesis is the foundation on which Christian doctrine is built. This is certainly true when we come to 1 Timothy 2:11-15. Here we find Paul explaining his commands concerning a women's activity in the Christian gathering. His reason for not permitting women to teach or exercise authority over a man arises out of the account of creation and the fall. So before piecing together Paul's argument, one must look at the Genesis account. 1. In Genesis 1:28:28 "man" is made to rule the earth and all the creatures in it. Explain whether this refers to the male alone, or the male and the female ? Clearly v 26 refers to male n female. 2. So why was women created ? Gen 2:15-25. To compliment her man, neither stronger or weaker, a unity becoming one flesh. 3. So describe the authority relationship between God, Adam, the woman, and the rest of creation ? God created Adam then eve as Adams helper and both to rule over creation. 4. There are 3 cases of authority being overthrown in the passage Gen 3:1-19 And 3 sets of consequences, what are they ? A. Serpent is out of order and deceitful, consequences are enmity between satan n God, so therefore God will provide a head crusher. B) eve convinces Adam to eat the apple, consequence is childbearing pains, sorrow and husband will rule over you. C) Adam should have submitted to Gods Authority, consequences- he has to work hard to provide, hence much joy is removed. 5. So then read 1 Tim 2:11-15. Clearly man and women are EQUAL though have DIFFERENT qualities, but both are saved in the same way as they persevere in their faith to carry out the Lords calling in their life, one example being the unique of women in childbearing. 6. so what is the basis for Paul's command ? Creation ordinance >eternal principles>headship>submission within a church. Clearly the argument in 1 Timothy has 3 threads that have been picked up by Paul from Genesis: firstness, deception and the difficulties of childbirth.”
@@robmarshall956 The Old Testament is a record of the preparation for the New Testament, which contains an account of the life of Jesus and a commentary on it. As Bishop Frank E. Wilson stated, "The Bible is important because of Christ--not the other way around." For the Christian, it would seem, the Old Testament should be read in the light of the New Testament, especially Jesus' teachings and example, e.g. Jesus' saying, "And as you wish that men do to you, do so to them." Lk 6.31-32.
@@royquick-s5nwait up Roy I haven’t put the comment up it keeps disappearing) 1. Firstness v13 Paul says women have the position they do because Adam was formed first. "Firstness often carries connotations of authority in scripture, as it does in our own use of language eg prime minister simply means the "first minister". So what can be said is there is an order to creation, God could have created Adam simultaneously, but he didn't. He created Eve for Adam. She was created to be mans "helper" and was made perfectly suitable for the task. This is absolutely key to understanding her relationship to Adam. 2. Deception v 14 Gen 3:13 records the woman confessing "the serpent deceived me, and I ate" Adam is clearly not described as being deceived: RATHER, his sin is that he "listened to the voice of his wife and ate of the tree" 3:17. So why is eves deception significant? Well Eve was deceived by one of the animals that God had made, OVER whom she was meant to be in dominion, refer to Gen 1:26:28. This was why she "became a sinner"-not because she was silly or gullible enough to be fooled, but Because SHE WAS DECEIVED into overturning the good order that God had created. Instead of ruling the snake under God, she listened to and Obeyed the snake, attempted to become like God and then lead her husband to do the same. Sooo as God pronounces judgment in Gen 3, the overturned order is emphasised in the way he deals first with the serpent, then with the woman and then with man. In the cursed and FALLEN world, the good order of chapter 2 becomes distorted and bitter- the serpent will attack the woman's offspring and be crushed under his heel; the woman will attempt to master the man, but he will be dominated by him instead; and the man, rather than ruling and tending a bountiful garden, will gain his food by sweat from a hostile earth. There is an order to Gods creation; there is a structure to the relationships between men and women that is built into the very fabric of things. God made Adam first and Eve to be his helper, and both to rule over the rest of the creation. The very essence of Adam and Eves sin was their overturning of this order yet here many are trying to do just that again ????? So before looking at the 3rd theme in Genesis (childbirth) review the first 2. Obviously when one compares Gen 2-3 with 1 Timothy 2, the relationship between the two passages is not difficult to see. Women are being warned NOT to upset the order of creation by usurping authority in the manner that Eve did. What we find more difficult to understand is why this should be expressed through teaching in the church, and what it is about teaching that makes Paul single it out as the authority issue, so do women have to be utterly silent and not say a word in Christian gatherings ?? The answer to that rests in our understanding of what "teaching" is. People tend to think of teaching as merely an intellectual activity- imparting knowledge or giving instruction to someone. However, in the Bible and indeed in other fields as well, teaching involves a special type of relationship between the teacher and the student. Christian teaching involves authority. The teacher moulds the life of the taught: the teacher is given the privilege and responsibility of guiding, informing, persuading, changing and leading. This is why teaching and authority are so closely tied together in 1 Tim 2:12. To be in a teaching relationship with someone is to be exercising some sort of Authority over him or her. Under Christ's authority, and through his word to us in 1 Tim 2:11-12, we are told that woman ought not to teach or have this authority over men. Teaching a man is wrong because by teaching him, the woman enters into a relationship of authority over him. By teaching the man, the woman is falling into Eve's error- turning the order of creation upside down. Teaching is the flip side of learning "quietly with all submissiveness" v11. Eve's sin involved overturning the order of creation and teaching her husband !!. Similarly, Adams sin came from listening to his wife in the sense of heeding and following her instructions. He allowed himself to be taught by her, thereby putting himself under her authority and reversing Gods good ordering of creation. This biblical teaching may seem hard, especially in a society where women aim for, and often achieve, authority over men. But this isn't talking about a position as CEO of a company or a womens capacity in that regard, it's about how the church is to be run. We have to trust that any unhappiness with this instruction springs from our mistrust in the Goodness of Gods word. The word seems far less terrible if 1. We believe in Gods goodness and that he wants the best for us. 2. We don't see quietness and full submission as weakness, but as meekness- not as a demeaning and pathetic thing, but rather as a Holy and life affirming response to how God has created the world. 3. We recognise that Christ is our teacher, AND that he has ordained through his word that men and women relate this way. So then that leaves theme 3 ( childbirth) v15 This verse sounds unusual upon first reading. It appears to be saying that childbirth has something to do with a woman's salvation, it seems to run contrary to the understanding that we are saved only though the death of Jesus Christ, which takes away our sins. It also seems to say that a woman's good works - her "faith and love and holiness, with self control"- somehow contribute to her salvation. Sooo what is this verse actually saying? So read Gen 3:15-16, 1 Corinthians 11:11-12, 1 Tim 5:9-10 and Rev 12:1-6 So having mentioned Eves sin in 1 tim 2:14, Paul seems to be making it clear in v15 that women certainly can be saved. Their salvation is strangely expressed- "through child bearing"- but it is surely promised. There are 3 ways one can understand that verse. 1. Christian woman will not die during the birth of a child, well since Paul uses the verb "saved" in a spiritual sense referring to redemption, that understanding of the verse is unlikely. It's also not in order with the more immediate context in which salvation by the gospel is on view in verses 3-7. 2. That salvation comes through the birth of the Child. Paul may be saying that women, like everyone else, are saved from sin through Jesus, who was born of a woman. It may be pointing to Gen 3:15, where it is promised that Eves son will crush the serpents head. If the woman continues as a believer, with faith, love and holiness, she shares in the salvation secured by the Son of Eve. This interpretation comes from understanding salvation in a spiritual sense, as it ties it to Christ and fits in with the context of v 14-15. 3. Women will be saved by bearing children, parts of 1 Tim describe the lifestyle of a Christian woman (2:9-15, 5:3-16) in that it involves propriety, submission, hospitality, good deeds and having children. Motherhood in other words, is a good deed of a godly woman. It is an expression of living a Holy life in faith and love. V 15 could be saying that by having children and raising them well, a woman "works out" her salvation, akin to Philippians 2:12-13. It is not that she must bear children I order to be saved, but that bringing up children is a godly way for a saved woman to live. This again takes the word 'saved' in a spiritual sense and fits nicely with the context of v9-14 also noting the repetition of 'self-control' in v's 9 and 15. This also fits with Paul's teaching elsewhere in 1 tim 5:14 and Titus 2:4-5, where childhood are seen as a godly path of life for the Christian woman. It's difficult to discern between the latter two understandings as both are consistent with other teachings in 1 Tim and in the rest of the bible. Both fit the context of 1 Tim 2:9-15 and both point in the direction of Christ and living a life that pleases him. So all that being said is Paul dealing with a specific problem in Ephesus at the time of Paul's writing ? Clearly not as it spans all time and is about eternity not just Ephesus, it is clearly a continuum of Gods creation and word. Is it saying that women should never teach anyone, because they are easily deceived ? No because it says women may teach women and children, it's just saying women were not to teach man from the pulpit. Is it saying Paul doesn't like women ? Well clearly no it as Paul is following Gods word. Is it saying well uno things are quite different now because women are better educated and on an equal standing with men in society's eyes ? No, as things have not changed in Gods world. The teaching in 1 Timothy 2:18-15 has implications today and those that seek to implement their own agenda are not being obedient to Gods word and his instructions to his church and we all know how that worked out for Adam and Eve xx
I think when something is written in the Bible, we should be careful how we debate it. Looking closely, it's apparent that the pushing of women ordination rose sharply up parallel to the feminist movement. The Church failed to discern the craftness of the devil. The Church is different from the world, and the feminist movement was not of God ~ it was about swapping the roles instead of fairness. We were created for different roles, and the Church should not fall under pressure by social norms. God created us, women differently in that we women are emotional beings. We do things differently because of that. For example we love beautiful things and we tend to not look beyond when we are taken in with beautiful things. That is why we are good homemakers. Going back to Eve, Paul wrote that it was not Adam who was deceived but Eve. Eve fell under the beauty of the forbidden tree and reasoned that it was good to eat. Adam on the other hand abandoned his roll to protect his wife and passively stood by. We must acknowledge that all Churches that have women in Church leadership now have the fruit of liberalism. The LGBTQetc community deeply uses emotions to gain favour and their message does not depend on reason and godly submission to God, but their emotions that attract women ministers to compromise the Gospel. This is a naked truth. Unless the Church look their sin in the eye and repent, nothing is left but total collapse of the Church. God will raise up other voices that are obedient to Him. But as it were there are always "old Prophets" that await in shadows to try to destroy them.
@@royquick-s5n The debate may be great. The issue remains, did God speak? If He did, then let God remain true and any opposition a lie. I was in my teens when this issue of ordination of women was being discussed. I was too young, to green and incidentally a norminal christian as such to care much until I gave my life to Christ. I do recall that whenever I read Paul on this matter uneasy feeling came over me but "trusted" the judgement of the Church. Now I am past my middle age and I watching with dismay as dead Churches line up one by one in full brown rebellion, mostly led by gays or transgender women and we ask ourselves why the world is mad. It would be better not to bother with being religious and just give up Christisnity all together.
It is so difficult to understand why Priests & Bishops in the C of E behave in such an ant Christian way by their actions to deny the Holy Scriptures . Why do women want to be Priests is it just an equality thing or is it that they don’t understand the demands of Holy Scripture on the value of men & women which is not the same but complimentary if that is the correct phrase. Why would a self confessed Christian deny the teachings of Our Blessed Lord and his Apostles? Maybe they are just ignorant of their important role in life and the Church.
@@royquick-s5nPersonally, I tend to agree with you, but at the same time accept others ("All scripture is God-breathed...") would think this bordering on heretical... There are plenty of Biblical passages which could be rejected because Jesus didn't personally mention it in the Gospels....
I’ve just subscribed to you show. Do you two like any church leaders. Welby no. Pope no. I liked Rowan Williams. I liked our old Queen. I hope and pray that my king. Succeeds.
The guys don't understand the difference between a nun distributing Communion and a schismatic CELEBRATING the Eucharist. (I was a schismatic for most of my life). ......and that's the All Holy, Ever Virgin Mother of God rather than 'Mary' - a LITTLE respect would be nice. just a little.
Does it bother you that your Bishop doesn't show up? I know lots of clergy here get upset by the lack of attention they get, but equally I imagine some like the space.
Altruism is different than not enforcing the law, and extending welfare to every person on the planet that can get to the United States. Altruism is fixing our own problems before inviting in the world's problems.
I tried to listen but could not get beyond 8 minutes - the political stuff is opinion and I no longer trust where either of you are coming from. Sorry guys. Please keep it clean.
When talking about immigrants, I didn't hear you mention Republicans turning down an agreement they had with Democrats on immigration. because that's what Trump told them to do. (Do you think that's true?) I am sure it wasn't perfect or something that would satisfy everyone but let us know what you found so unacceptable about it. Also, I'd like to hear your comments on the threats of violence that occurred in Springfield, Ohio due to Trump's claims about immigrants there. By the way, Charleroi, PA had some fallout from Trump's comments also. You could have driven down there from Latrobe. It's less than an hour away. To be a little more positive, I did enjoy some of your videos explaining the Episcopal Church.
The Democrats deal said that laws would only be enforced after 3,500 people a day had entered illegally. That's one million, three hundred thousand people a year before the lawless Biden administration promises to try to begin to enforce the country's laws, and fulfill their oaths to enforce laws enacted democratically by Congress. That's surrender now, with an empty promise for later.
A point to note in the Pope Francis quote regarding 'all religions arrive at God': Maybe he was indicating that those who have a belief in God, or a God, acknowledge an existence of God, and that we cannot dismiss the possibility that there may be elements of divine revelation contained within these alternative belief systems. Note, the Pope does not mention here the all important aspect of salvation. He speaks of different avenues arriving at God, but not that they may lead to salvation. I firmly believe that the Bible is the only true source of the divinely inspired word of God which reveals the true nature of God and the fallen nature of humanity which can only be saved (in order to achieve our goal of eternal life) through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. Yes, he is the only guaranteed way to eternal life, not forgetting that Jesus Christ is in fact God incarnate. So, in effect. it is faith in God - as revealed in the Christian faith alone - that assures our redemption and salvation. No other religion offers, or even accepts that. Yes, we are all God's children, but Gods urgent message is that we all need embrace and accept Christ's sacrifice and repent of our sins in order to become right with God. But what about all those millions of people who lived before the arrival of Jesus? What about all the decent, loving, caring people that may have led honest, charitable lives? Or what about the mentally impaired? Are they all damned and to be thrown into the depths of hell? Of course not. We can all take comfort in knowing that God is merciful, loving, compassionate and righteous, and that we can trust in His final judgement and blessing, just as He revealed to Abraham many years before the arrival of Jesus.
So you're one of those who don't mind that your country is being destroyed, as long as it is done legally. Great. PS. And "racist" is nothing more than fake term to scare Whites.
@@davidknox5929 There is a phenomenon known to those with experience in deliverance ministry of psychic and demonised women who seek to dominate and manipulate. Often open to all sorts of occultic influences - women generally seem to be more susceptable to this - and making God feminine. It might well be Murphy is referring to such as being 'witches'. He is pretty clued up on spiritual warfare without being over the top about it. They certainly can be found amongst charismatics and pentecostals, sometimes hiding behind a hen-pecked husband. They can do an immense amount of damage. An Anglican vicar friend of mine used to call them 'pentecostal witrches'!
@@davidknox5929False. He called some specific women in the radical feminist group WATCH who literally pray to Mother Goddesses and Spirits of the trees etc.. Witches.
I think you need to look further into this. Those who were being criticised by Murphy were a group that is seeking to outlaw complementarianism in the church and remove the protections given those with such convictions. That alongside some extremely questionable theology that seems to want to make God female, and various other extra biblical nonsense.
You are alluding to Trump's being a felon. It may seem to some that he is a felon out of politically motivated prosecutions to discredit him, character assassination, before an election. Why were not the prosecutions made at the time of the alleged offenses?
A felon? Jesus was a felon - did you know the Romans actually sentenced him to death? You'll never guess what happened next . . . Would you side with Pontius Pilate or Jesus? Me, I'll go with the felon!
@@royquick-s5n I'm sure you'll find those "somes". You make the mistake of always trying to be right, and making things right. I don't know how someone so smart and well read can freely use terms like "woke" (as an philologist you should learn the meaning of that word).
We discovered Anglican Unscripted during covid.
It has been a revelation and an encouragement every month!!
So grateful to God for your faithful ministry - sharing The Truth with undaunted confidence in Him to continue building His church despite the circumstances that assail it....the gates of hell will not prevail against her-United'as-one'in-Christ our Lord - praise His Name and God bless you guys x
How very kind of you. Thank you
Regarding the older men in your parish, someone once said this and I’ve always remembered it. “There are some truths so profound that we must hear them over and over again until we hear them for the first time“. The Gospel is worth sharing over and over again
REC and GAFCON need to step up and make a statement. "The only thing needed for evil to succeed is for good men to remain silent."
The cats sit quietly whilst the dogs return to their vomit.
Referring to the treatment of Rev Brett Murphy by Bishop Fenwick and the incredible history of abuse of power by Fenwick and his gang that has now surfaced.
Thank you for another entertaining show guys. I always try to watch every episode from start to finish. God Bless you from Poland!
Canada is a perfect example that once Faith is abandoned, Reason disappears. Where God is despised, human life is hated. Atheist materialism is sustainable through mass drug abuse.
Love Canada
Canada went over to the dark side during COVID. They arrested people who were not breaking ANY law.
Trump got jumped by the ABC moderator for saying babies are born live.
@@ambrosiamarvin5712 conservatives play the telephone game.
@@ambrosiamarvin5712 This is the telephone game. At least liberals have outgrown it.
Keep being courageous, my brothers in Christ.
I love you two wise old heads and this little show. Thanks for your commitment to it, us and The Lord, I appreciate your devotion to the truth and I must say that of all the foreigners I have ever encountered, George is the only one with such a great grasp of the British political system and how it works. If you ever Come to the UK George I'd love to buy you a pint!
At General Convention in the early 2000s, the late Bp. Herzog pointed out the large contingent of Chinese operating in the Sudan .
Thank you for staying true to preaching the Gospel. I would argue that no one who is indwelt by God's Holy Spirit can be a universalist. Jesus is exclusive--THE way, THE truth, and THE life.
I'm not sure that follows. Jesus can be the only way to salvation, but I would argue that he can cast his net as wide as he wants. Indeed, God is sovereign and I have no doubt that if he so wished he could save everyone. I'm certain he will gather more people into his many mansions than some "narrow is the way" Protestants may believe....
@@royquick-s5nYes, sorry, I don't think I was very clear. I was simply making the point that just because Jesus is *the only* way to the Father, it does not follow that we can be clear who will/will not be saved, as if there were some simple formula ("Recite this prayer and you will be saved"). As you say, God has given guidance in Scripture, but also hints at a wider salvation in various places. Some Christians seem to positively*want* a narrow view but I don't believe it to be necessary or Scriptural.
@@royquick-s5n From your perspective I infer that "jesus' teachings" are only understood through intellectualization.
@@royquick-s5n Is there a passage in the new testament about "forgiveness fatigue?"
@@royquick-s5n What happens if I have to forgive you more than 8 times.
D.E.I. is one of our greatest idols today. I hear whispers now referring to the acronym as 'Didn't Earn It.'
Dei is also “god” in Latin. Interesting.
@@Apriluserthat is really interesting. What do you think it means? Who first coined the phrase? What was their motivation? Ask trump!
Canon George you are a generous and spirit filled man,I'm going to your Jail,bells n smells plus your sermon( that's not jail)😅
Kevin you're great too😊
Bless you both,its always insightful and fun.
I get what you are saying but how much more diversity can we stand ? Love you guys
I'm all for celebrating diversity. But, how can we celebrate diversity by denying differences?
Thank you ❤
Great episode! I love hearing your views on the Catholic news. Lots of us Catholics are unhappy with Francis. He's been at this for years. Sadly, many Catholics don't take an interest in 'high level' stuff, and remain blissfully ignorant of what is going on at the Vatican. But as you point out, the traditional voices are ever louder, thank goodness.
Brett Murphy - hmmm! While I support him in his ongoing issues with the FCE, he doesn’t do himself any favours, does he? Free speech is a wonderful thing, but when you have two children and a pregnant wife, I would dare to suggest that a bit of wisdom is in order. I flatly don't believe that God has told him to say all this stuff - but he seems almost to be enjoying being some sort of martyr. This ain't right when your choices result in your wife and kids becoming homeless! I speak from painful experience, having grown up with parents who claimed that God was telling them to go somewhere new every 2-3 years, regardless of the wreckage caused in their children's lives. Frankly, while it looks as if there has been a failure of process in his sacking, he could really do with showing a bit more maturity in his choices. I'll get off my soapbox now 🙄.
@@royquick-s5n What??? I'm saying that it is possible to get a traditional perspective across on social media without crossing the line into areas that are likely to threaten your home. That's my point.
Plus...Francis clearly quoted on the Vatican website as saying 'All religions lead to God'. So I'm not sure what TLM has to do with my earlier comment.
@@royquick-s5n stop with this weird fixation on the Latin mass - it's not supposed to be an insult that you can lob at people.
@@russ254 we all have some queer fixations.
I am a Catholic and I, too, am concerned about the reckless statements of Pope Francis.
Why be a missionary or even a Catholic if it is only one of many ways to salvation. Jesus Our Lord is the only way to the Father. He, alone, is the world's only Saviour. We need Popes and bishops who are true Apostles like Peter who said, "There is only one Name under heaven by which we can be saved.... Jesus Christ!"
The why comes from the who: this pope is a potato, I'm a profigal son, i don't particularly like him yet, when I go to Adoration, i get outta there w joy and enough power to basically pray over ppl and their souls get sanctified or even saved. M+
@@royquick-s5n Jorge's words inevitably lead to the conclusion that salvation is optional - this is the only conclusion if religions are just languages that all lead to god. No need for Jesus or Christianity or salvation if any other religion will get you to god.
My Cavaliers, Cora and Oliver, are snoring as I watch.
Sounds good
God bless you, thank you
Immigration of skilled labor also reduced the quality of the countries they are migrating from. while also driving down wages for skilled laborers here. Nah, just pause immigration for a decade till we get it sorted out.
Well done guys!
Well thought and said, George, on how you bring sacramental style services to the prisoners. And you use this to preach and evangelical-style sermon about Jesus Christ and draw these men to Jesus. Great! I pray that God will bless this work, for I'm confident it is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Just to point out to the two of you that last week you were crowing about Francis being Anglican. This week he's too much for you. 😂
I like your biasses - probably because I share most of them. I appreciate how you apply these to Church and secular news. I'll keep watching and listening to your analysis and comment. Thank you from England and keep up the good work. Please keep praying for us under the regime of Communist two tier Kier.
Thank you
Why not like the movie- A mad, mad, mad, mad world. Quadruple mad.
A good point David.
As a practicing Catholic I can say that Pope Francis has no moral or political authority as well. Jesus is the Way! Deus Dominus-Jesus
lol sound a bit like a Protestant to me 😉 ( I am just teasing you)
@@Coolrunnings007 obey!
Im on yhe Carlosle diocesan synod. We dont want a prograsive loberl bishop. The problem is that the archbishops cannot afford to have any more orthodox diocesan bishops in the house of bishops... Or they might lose their direction of travel.
So not being able to gain the 67% required to support their suggeations. They will find a work around so they can ensure they have a perminant voting majority among bishops.
If they can do it on changeing doctrine by the bck door, they will do the same with episcopal aelection.
I really didn't know that the fighting in Sudan is about oil, or that China and Russia are funding the opposing sides. Thank you, I try to pay attention to these things, but I was ignorant on that
😂 it's all a big conspiracy by the marxists! Fearless leader is never wrong!
I’m not sure I understand why it is we’re talking about churches in Sudan closed down and not talking about churches in Rwanda being closed down?
Assisted suicide will move from being an option to an obligation.
and the meaning of "decimated" is?
I love a good yarn
Thanks for the show - I agree with just about every word of it, but I wonder if you agree with me here? When explaining that church leadership is male, St Paul focused on God’s created order - ‘Adam was formed first, then Eve’ - indicating that male headship should be for all places and all times. He affirmed male headship in stating that ‘the man is head of the woman, even as Christ is head of the church’ - then going on to say that ‘wives should submit… to their husbands’. Men should not then submit to someone else’s wife who becomes a ‘bishop’.
In approaching Eve, the serpent intentionally set about subverting the God-given order before going on to question the word of God, contradict the word of God, and suggest to the woman that she could be like God. She took the lead and Adam, the man, followed in an act of sinful rebellion. And that’s the issue here from start to finish - rebellion. It’s as the sin of something or other.
That’s sort of what I copied from another persons years ago, here it is
“The most important book in the OT is Genesis, in it we discover what God is like, how he created the world, how he relates to humanity, and what happened at the beginning. Genesis is the foundation on which Christian doctrine is built. This is certainly true when we come to 1 Timothy 2:11-15. Here we find Paul explaining his commands concerning a women's activity in the Christian gathering. His reason for not permitting women to teach or exercise authority over a man arises out of the account of creation and the fall. So before piecing together Paul's argument, one must look at the Genesis account.
1. In Genesis 1:28:28 "man" is made to rule the earth and all the creatures in it. Explain whether this refers to the male alone, or the male and the female ? Clearly v 26 refers to male n female.
2. So why was women created ? Gen 2:15-25. To compliment her man, neither stronger or weaker, a unity becoming one flesh.
3. So describe the authority relationship between God, Adam, the woman, and the rest of creation ?
God created Adam then eve as Adams helper and both to rule over creation.
4. There are 3 cases of authority being overthrown in the passage Gen 3:1-19
And 3 sets of consequences, what are they ?
A. Serpent is out of order and deceitful, consequences are enmity between satan n God, so therefore God will provide a head crusher.
B) eve convinces Adam to eat the apple, consequence is childbearing pains, sorrow and husband will rule over you.
C) Adam should have submitted to Gods Authority, consequences- he has to work hard to provide, hence much joy is removed.
5. So then read 1 Tim 2:11-15.
Clearly man and women are EQUAL though have DIFFERENT qualities, but both are saved in the same way as they persevere in their faith to carry out the Lords calling in their life, one example being the unique of women in childbearing.
6. so what is the basis for Paul's command ? Creation ordinance >eternal principles>headship>submission within a church.
Clearly the argument in 1 Timothy has 3 threads that have been picked up by Paul from Genesis: firstness, deception and the difficulties of childbirth.”
@@robmarshall956 The Old Testament is a record of the preparation for the New Testament, which contains an account of the life of Jesus and a commentary on it. As Bishop Frank E. Wilson stated, "The Bible is important because of Christ--not the other way around." For the Christian, it would seem, the Old Testament should be read in the light of the New Testament, especially Jesus' teachings and example, e.g. Jesus' saying, "And as you wish that men do to you, do so to them." Lk 6.31-32.
@@royquick-s5nwait up Roy I haven’t put the comment up it keeps disappearing)
1. Firstness v13
Paul says women have the position they do because Adam was formed first. "Firstness often carries connotations of authority in scripture, as it does in our own use of language eg prime minister simply means the "first minister".
So what can be said is there is an order to creation, God could have created Adam simultaneously, but he didn't. He created Eve for Adam. She was created to be mans "helper" and was made perfectly suitable for the task. This is absolutely key to understanding her relationship to Adam.
2. Deception v 14
Gen 3:13 records the woman confessing "the serpent deceived me, and I ate" Adam is clearly not described as being deceived: RATHER, his sin is that he "listened to the voice of his wife and ate of the tree" 3:17.
So why is eves deception significant? Well Eve was deceived by one of the animals that God had made, OVER whom she was meant to be in dominion, refer to Gen 1:26:28.
This was why she "became a sinner"-not because she was silly or gullible enough to be fooled, but Because SHE WAS DECEIVED into overturning the good order that God had created. Instead of ruling the snake under God, she listened to and Obeyed the snake, attempted to become like God and then lead her husband to do the same.
Sooo as God pronounces judgment in Gen 3, the overturned order is emphasised in the way he deals first with the serpent, then with the woman and then with man. In the cursed and FALLEN world, the good order of chapter 2 becomes distorted and bitter- the serpent will attack the woman's offspring and be crushed under his heel; the woman will attempt to master the man, but he will be dominated by him instead; and the man, rather than ruling and tending a bountiful garden, will gain his food by sweat from a hostile earth.
There is an order to Gods creation; there is a structure to the relationships between men and women that is built into the very fabric of things. God made Adam first and Eve to be his helper, and both to rule over the rest of the creation. The very essence of Adam and Eves sin was their overturning of this order yet here many are trying to do just that again ?????
So before looking at the 3rd theme in Genesis (childbirth) review the first 2. Obviously when one compares Gen 2-3 with 1 Timothy 2, the relationship between the two passages is not difficult to see. Women are being warned NOT to upset the order of creation by usurping authority in the manner that Eve did. What we find more difficult to understand is why this should be expressed through teaching in the church, and what it is about teaching that makes Paul single it out as the authority issue, so do women have to be utterly silent and not say a word in Christian gatherings ??
The answer to that rests in our understanding of what "teaching" is. People tend to think of teaching as merely an intellectual activity- imparting knowledge or giving instruction to someone. However, in the Bible and indeed in other fields as well, teaching involves a special type of relationship between the teacher and the student.
Christian teaching involves authority. The teacher moulds the life of the taught: the teacher is given the privilege and responsibility of guiding, informing, persuading, changing and leading. This is why teaching and authority are so closely tied together in 1 Tim 2:12. To be in a teaching relationship with someone is to be exercising some sort of Authority over him or her.
Under Christ's authority, and through his word to us in 1 Tim 2:11-12, we are told that woman ought not to teach or have this authority over men. Teaching a man is wrong because by teaching him, the woman enters into a relationship of authority over him. By teaching the man, the woman is falling into Eve's error- turning the order of creation upside down. Teaching is the flip side of learning "quietly with all submissiveness" v11. Eve's sin involved overturning the order of creation and teaching her husband !!. Similarly, Adams sin came from listening to his wife in the sense of heeding and following her instructions. He allowed himself to be taught by her, thereby putting himself under her authority and reversing Gods good ordering of creation.
This biblical teaching may seem hard, especially in a society where women aim for, and often achieve, authority over men. But this isn't talking about a position as CEO of a company or a womens capacity in that regard, it's about how the church is to be run. We have to trust that any unhappiness with this instruction springs from our mistrust in the Goodness of Gods word. The word seems far less terrible if
1. We believe in Gods goodness and that he wants the best for us.
2. We don't see quietness and full submission as weakness, but as meekness- not as a demeaning and pathetic thing, but rather as a Holy and life affirming response to how God has created the world.
3. We recognise that Christ is our teacher, AND that he has ordained through his word that men and women relate this way.
So then that leaves theme 3 ( childbirth) v15
This verse sounds unusual upon first reading. It appears to be saying that childbirth has something to do with a woman's salvation, it seems to run contrary to the understanding that we are saved only though the death of Jesus Christ, which takes away our sins. It also seems to say that a woman's good works - her "faith and love and holiness, with self control"- somehow contribute to her salvation. Sooo what is this verse actually saying?
So read Gen 3:15-16, 1 Corinthians 11:11-12, 1 Tim 5:9-10 and Rev 12:1-6
So having mentioned Eves sin in 1 tim 2:14, Paul seems to be making it clear in v15 that women certainly can be saved. Their salvation is strangely expressed- "through child bearing"- but it is surely promised. There are 3 ways one can understand that verse.
1. Christian woman will not die during the birth of a child, well since Paul uses the verb "saved" in a spiritual sense referring to redemption, that understanding of the verse is unlikely. It's also not in order with the more immediate context in which salvation by the gospel is on view in verses 3-7.
2. That salvation comes through the birth of the Child. Paul may be saying that women, like everyone else, are saved from sin through Jesus, who was born of a woman. It may be pointing to Gen 3:15, where it is promised that Eves son will crush the serpents head. If the woman continues as a believer, with faith, love and holiness, she shares in the salvation secured by the Son of Eve. This interpretation comes from understanding salvation in a spiritual sense, as it ties it to Christ and fits in with the context of v 14-15.
3. Women will be saved by bearing children, parts of 1 Tim describe the lifestyle of a Christian woman (2:9-15, 5:3-16) in that it involves propriety, submission, hospitality, good deeds and having children. Motherhood in other words, is a good deed of a godly woman. It is an expression of living a Holy life in faith and love. V 15 could be saying that by having children and raising them well, a woman "works out" her salvation, akin to Philippians 2:12-13. It is not that she must bear children I order to be saved, but that bringing up children is a godly way for a saved woman to live. This again takes the word 'saved' in a spiritual sense and fits nicely with the context of v9-14 also noting the repetition of 'self-control' in v's 9 and 15. This also fits with Paul's teaching elsewhere in 1 tim 5:14 and Titus 2:4-5, where childhood are seen as a godly path of life for the Christian woman.
It's difficult to discern between the latter two understandings as both are consistent with other teachings in 1 Tim and in the rest of the bible. Both fit the context of 1 Tim 2:9-15 and both point in the direction of Christ and living a life that pleases him.
So all that being said is Paul dealing with a specific problem in Ephesus at the time of Paul's writing ? Clearly not as it spans all time and is about eternity not just Ephesus, it is clearly a continuum of Gods creation and word.
Is it saying that women should never teach anyone, because they are easily deceived ? No because it says women may teach women and children, it's just saying women were not to teach man from the pulpit.
Is it saying Paul doesn't like women ? Well clearly no it as Paul is following Gods word.
Is it saying well uno things are quite different now because women are better educated and on an equal standing with men in society's eyes ? No, as things have not changed in Gods world.
The teaching in 1 Timothy 2:18-15 has implications today and those that seek to implement their own agenda are not being obedient to Gods word and his instructions to his church and we all know how that worked out for Adam and Eve xx
I think when something is written in the Bible, we should be careful how we debate it. Looking closely, it's apparent that the pushing of women ordination rose sharply up parallel to the feminist movement. The Church failed to discern the craftness of the devil. The Church is different from the world, and the feminist movement was not of God ~ it was about swapping the roles instead of fairness. We were created for different roles, and the Church should not fall under pressure by social norms.
God created us, women differently in that we women are emotional beings. We do things differently because of that. For example we love beautiful things and we tend to not look beyond when we are taken in with beautiful things. That is why we are good homemakers.
Going back to Eve, Paul wrote that it was not Adam who was deceived but Eve. Eve fell under the beauty of the forbidden tree and reasoned that it was good to eat. Adam on the other hand abandoned his roll to protect his wife and passively stood by.
We must acknowledge that all Churches that have women in Church leadership now have the fruit of liberalism. The LGBTQetc community deeply uses emotions to gain favour and their message does not depend on reason and godly submission to God, but their emotions that attract women ministers to compromise the Gospel. This is a naked truth. Unless the Church look their sin in the eye and repent, nothing is left but total collapse of the Church. God will raise up other voices that are obedient to Him. But as it were there are always "old Prophets" that await in shadows to try to destroy them.
@@royquick-s5n The debate may be great. The issue remains, did God speak? If He did, then let God remain true and any opposition a lie. I was in my teens when this issue of ordination of women was being discussed. I was too young, to green and incidentally a norminal christian as such to care much until I gave my life to Christ. I do recall that whenever I read Paul on this matter uneasy feeling came over me but "trusted" the judgement of the Church. Now I am past my middle age and I watching with dismay as dead Churches line up one by one in full brown rebellion, mostly led by gays or transgender women and we ask ourselves why the world is mad.
It would be better not to bother with being religious and just give up Christisnity all together.
It is so difficult to understand why Priests & Bishops in the C of E behave in such an ant Christian way by their actions to deny the Holy Scriptures . Why do women want to be Priests is it just an equality thing or is it that they don’t understand the demands of Holy Scripture on the value of men & women which is not the same but complimentary if that is the correct phrase. Why would a self confessed Christian deny the teachings of Our Blessed Lord and his Apostles? Maybe they are just ignorant of their important role in life and the Church.
@@royquick-s5nThe problem with that argument is which other of Paul's arguments can you dismiss because "Only Paul said it, not Jesus"....
@@royquick-s5nPersonally, I tend to agree with you, but at the same time accept others ("All scripture is God-breathed...") would think this bordering on heretical... There are plenty of Biblical passages which could be rejected because Jesus didn't personally mention it in the Gospels....
I’ve just subscribed to you show. Do you two like any church leaders. Welby no. Pope no. I liked Rowan Williams.
I liked our old Queen. I hope and pray that my king. Succeeds.
The guys don't understand the difference between a nun distributing Communion and a schismatic CELEBRATING the Eucharist. (I was a schismatic for most of my life).
......and that's the All Holy, Ever Virgin Mother of God rather than 'Mary' - a LITTLE respect would be nice. just a little.
Does it bother you that your Bishop doesn't show up? I know lots of clergy here get upset by the lack of attention they get, but equally I imagine some like the space.
Not really. What does a bishop provide that is of practical use in parish life?
So is there no altruism in American immigration policy?
Altruism is different than not enforcing the law, and extending welfare to every person on the planet that can get to the United States. Altruism is fixing our own problems before inviting in the world's problems.
@@DavidBNWhite higher iq people also score higher in altruism on tests. There's your answer.
I tried to listen but could not get beyond 8 minutes - the political stuff is opinion and I no longer trust where either of you are coming from. Sorry guys. Please keep it clean.
When talking about immigrants, I didn't hear you mention Republicans turning down an agreement they had with Democrats on immigration. because that's what Trump told them to do. (Do you think that's true?) I am sure it wasn't perfect or something that would satisfy everyone but let us know what you found so unacceptable about it. Also, I'd like to hear your comments on the threats of violence that occurred in Springfield, Ohio due to Trump's claims about immigrants there. By the way, Charleroi, PA had some fallout from Trump's comments also. You could have driven down there from Latrobe. It's less than an hour away. To be a little more positive, I did enjoy some of your videos explaining the Episcopal Church.
The Democrats deal said that laws would only be enforced after 3,500 people a day had entered illegally. That's one million, three hundred thousand people a year before the lawless Biden administration promises to try to begin to enforce the country's laws, and fulfill their oaths to enforce laws enacted democratically by Congress. That's surrender now, with an empty promise for later.
A point to note in the Pope Francis quote regarding 'all religions arrive at God': Maybe he was indicating that those who have a belief in God, or a God, acknowledge an existence of God, and that we cannot dismiss the possibility that there may be elements of divine revelation contained within these alternative belief systems. Note, the Pope does not mention here the all important aspect of salvation. He speaks of different avenues arriving at God, but not that they may lead to salvation. I firmly believe that the Bible is the only true source of the divinely inspired word of God which reveals the true nature of God and the fallen nature of humanity which can only be saved (in order to achieve our goal of eternal life) through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. Yes, he is the only guaranteed way to eternal life, not forgetting that Jesus Christ is in fact God incarnate. So, in effect. it is faith in God - as revealed in the Christian faith alone - that assures our redemption and salvation. No other religion offers, or even accepts that. Yes, we are all God's children, but Gods urgent message is that we all need embrace and accept Christ's sacrifice and repent of our sins in order to become right with God. But what about all those millions of people who lived before the arrival of Jesus? What about all the decent, loving, caring people that may have led honest, charitable lives? Or what about the mentally impaired? Are they all damned and to be thrown into the depths of hell? Of course not. We can all take comfort in knowing that God is merciful, loving, compassionate and righteous, and that we can trust in His final judgement and blessing, just as He revealed to Abraham many years before the arrival of Jesus.
No mention of the very racist lie about cats and dogs? The Haitians in Springfield are here legally.
It's a joke!!
So you're one of those who don't mind that your country is being destroyed, as long as it is done legally. Great. PS. And "racist" is nothing more than fake term to scare Whites.
@@royquick-s5nyeah, but no, it's a Republican Thing guides.loc.gov/latinx-civil-rights/tps
@davidknox5929 why is it "a joke"? Have you ever met a Haitian person?
@@robertsheridan1975 Virtue signalling and pathological altruism rolled into one. A lost soul.
Murphy is still in his church.His anti woman clergy is awful!
Called women clergy witches
@@davidknox5929 There is a phenomenon known to those with experience in deliverance ministry of psychic and demonised women who seek to dominate and manipulate. Often open to all sorts of occultic influences - women generally seem to be more susceptable to this - and making God feminine.
It might well be Murphy is referring to such as being 'witches'. He is pretty clued up on spiritual warfare without being over the top about it.
They certainly can be found amongst charismatics and pentecostals, sometimes hiding behind a hen-pecked husband. They can do an immense amount of damage. An Anglican vicar friend of mine used to call them 'pentecostal witrches'!
@@davidknox5929False. He called some specific women in the radical feminist group WATCH who literally pray to Mother Goddesses and Spirits of the trees etc.. Witches.
I think you need to look further into this. Those who were being criticised by Murphy were a group that is seeking to outlaw complementarianism in the church and remove the protections given those with such convictions. That alongside some extremely questionable theology that seems to want to make God female, and various other extra biblical nonsense.
Do you want a prosecutor or a felon
A prosecutor can only ever see one side of something.
You are alluding to Trump's being a felon. It may seem to some that he is a felon out of politically motivated prosecutions to discredit him, character assassination, before an election. Why were not the prosecutions made at the time of the alleged offenses?
A felon? Jesus was a felon - did you know the Romans actually sentenced him to death? You'll never guess what happened next . . . Would you side with Pontius Pilate or Jesus? Me, I'll go with the felon!
@@johndavey8683 To them, It's more biblical to like the felon.
Please be neutral on politics
Failure to call out evil is not being neutral in politics. Failure to call out evil is not being prophetic.
@@royquick-s5n I'm sure you'll find those "somes". You make the mistake of always trying to be right, and making things right.
I don't know how someone so smart and well read can freely use terms like "woke" (as an philologist you should learn the meaning of that word).