The first time I watched this, as soon as Mr. Cobb removed his glasses I thought, "NO-O-O-O-O!!!! -- Ty Cobb? For real, TY COBB?"" Seeing him here and hearing him speak rattled my world perception as much as if a recording suddenly turned up with Abraham Lincoln ... or even Julius Caesar! ... on it.
After reading "Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty" by Charles Leerhsen, my opinion of Ty Cobb changed quite a bit. The Author did a great job or really investigating some of the myths and events attributed to Ty as being racist and after reading the entire thing you'll gain some sympathy for the man, and while he isn't a saint, he's definitely not the demonised arsehole you see portrayed. I highly recommend it to anyone
That's a fact. I never did like the way he was judged by twenty-first century mores. He was a product of his time just as we all are. The book gave an honest and judicious look into a man I believe to be the greatest ballplayer of all time. Glad to see his good name restored to where it should be!
Ernie Harwell liked him and Ernie was the probably the nicest person God ever created. If Cobb was the awful person Stump and others made him out to be, Ernie would have had nothing to do with him.
@@bobpoet9783 Yes, I agree now that's probably what she meant. In looking at this again, Garry Moore told Vander Mear, "It was a great joy having you with you."
I loved a comment attributed to him. he was asked long after retirement how he would do against modern pitchers. he said he would bat about300. the reporter expressed surprise that he did not give a higher figure. Cobb replied you have to remember Im 67 years old....classic....
I remember seeing this show live when I was a kid. Even than when he walked on, I knew who he was. A long time fan of Baseball and still am. I still think Ty was the Greatest Ballplayer ever.
@@VioletJoy Yes he was. But he wasn't one that you'd want to get mad with you, especially on the baseball field. He was even known to go after fans in the bleachers that made him mad. But for that I don't blame him. A great history of a great ball player. As a side note, he along with his parents and an Aunt are entombed diagonally across from my grand father and great grand parents in a cemetery in Royston, GA..
@@jimjordan5630 Wow! So interesting. I appreciate the reply so much. It's really interesting how he came across so humble, connected and gentle here, but could still be savage on the ball field.
I met Johnny Vander Meer in 1995. Even though I know he was asked 1000's of times about throwing those back to back no-hitters he was super nice with me when I got to talk with him about them.
My brother met him two years after this show aired when he was still living in atherton, ca just a short bike ride from our home in Redwood city. My brother was 14 at the time and played on a Babe ruth league team with Jim Fregosi ( who would soon sign his first MLB contract ).
You'll never see any One even attempt to Break that record today,because of the use of the Bullpen, & the teams closely monitor the pitchers On their pitch count. Bsck then they pitched the whole game
Ty Cobb was legend. One of the most competitive athletes to face opposition in sports. That attitude of playing to win at all times ruffled feathers and they tarnished his reputation for life and beyond.
Cobb comes off as a true Southern Gentleman - has to be one of if not the most misunderstood athletes in the canyon of American Sports. The injustice that has been done to his name over the years is criminal. Thank goodness for the true light that has slowly but surely been brought to his name.
What we understand to be true of Ty's attidude may not be true. Yes he played hard and to win, but lets not judge a man we don't even know. What I do know is that he was a Great Ballplayer.
Silvana Pampanini introduced the segment. A legend in Italian cinema. She was a rival of Sophia Loren during the 1940s and 1950s and considered to be as glamorous. Her career in U.S. cinema was hampered by her difficulty in speaking English.
When Cobb was still with the Tigers, there was one instance when the rest of the team sat out a game to protest him getting suspended, so they sent pretty much a whole team of amateur players to take the field once versus the Philadelphia A's. The A's won that game by a landslide.
We watched I've Got a Secret regularly and What's My Line when I was growing up in the 1960s born in 1953. I sure remember this panel and Gary Moore well but with this from 1955 they are younger looking than I remember them. This was an interesting episode since I like baseball history.
In defense of those who thought it was crazy that a game would be called on account of darkness, think of the games played at Wrigley Field in Chicago prior to 1988!
the fellow that pitched 26 innings in the 1920 game is leon cadore, the guy he pitched against him also pitched the whole 26 innings, joe oeschger, who was also alive during this broadcast. at first i thought ty cobb had snubbed bill cullen's hand shake for the "spiking 2nd basemen" crack. but upon 2nd look he was just being a gentlemen and addressing the women first. to this day johnny vander meer is the only pitcher to ever throw two no-hitters back to back.
Really fascinating video! So many interesting things! (& considering I've only heard negative things) about Ty Cobb's personality. The 1st make celebrity contestant was very witty and funny. I never knew that the 26 inning, longest game, was fully completed by one pitcher! The "spiking the 2nd baseman" comment was purely a brilliant ending line by the other male celebrity contestant.
Johnny Vander Meer Two consecutive no-hitters is the greatest pitching feet ever. That makes a perfect game look like child's play. That record will never be beat until they invent mechanical arms for pitchers. Haha
Long-ago baseball writer and official scorer Fred Lieb was covering a game at one of the bookends of Johnny Van der Meer’s two no-hitters. Lieb insisted to his death that a hit against Van der Meer ought to have been ruled an error; had his opinion been accepted, Lieb wrote that Van der Meer would have and should have had three no-hitters in a row. [PS: Ironically, In 1923, Lieb ruled a hit a first at-bat grounder, much to the vexation of the pitcher Howard Ehmke. Ehmke then kept the following twenty-seven men off base. As in his previous game he had pitched a no-hitter, Ehmke would have preceded Van der Meer in the consecutive twin-no-hitter feat. In 1920, Lieb initiated a rule change to allow a game-winning home run with men on base to always be counted as a home run, even if its run was not needed to win the game. To that point, a batter was only credited with a hit sufficient to score the winning run.]
When mr.cobb passed away (1961) he had amassed 13 million$ in total assets mostly GM&Coca cola stock. Mind you this was back in early 60's so in today's dollars about 470 million.
I did not realize that Ty Cobb had at one time played for the Philadelphia Athletics. Apparently he did during his final two seasons as a player in 1927 and 1928. Also, his lifetime batting average record still stands to this day. Absolutely amazing.
That 26 inning game which ended in a tie didn't happen happen during the World Series but the Robins as they were also known in that season did go on to the World Series but lost to the Indians. The irony is the team they played for 26 innings was the Braves. So Indian words not so good for them.
Those three were holding up well. Baseball was still revered and was clearly still the national pastime. It was the only nationally followed pro sport. It was so clustered in the northeast, due to no jet travel to the west and segregation in the south. But people everywhere had a fav team and player.
Funny, what horrible press Cobb got. I don't think many players in those days were too sweet on or off the field. His achievements on and off the field contradict everything about the mental case he's been portrayed as. Tiger Woods is even meaner, but the world loves him🤷♂️
Never gave Cobb much thought bc he played so long ago, but have to admit I always thought he was an immoral person based on field of dreams and Cobb movie. How wrong I was.
Pete Rose tells the story of Cobb sitting in the Yankees dugout one day before a game. One of the Yankees asks what he is doing there. The player then tells the SOB (Cobb) to get out and go back to his own dugout. Cobb glares at the player and leaves the dugout without saying a word. Later, Cobb is taking batting practice with the Yankees sitting in their dugout waiting their turn. Cobb then proceeds to hit hit 16 straight pitches in the Yankees dugout as the Yankees are scurrying around taking cover.
Didn't know that, yes. They lived to be 70 and 79, respectively. Can't "like" your post, but thanks for the prescient reminder. With the coronavirus pandemic upon us, today would be SUCH a great day to quit!!
@@Lava1964 of course -- then as now, more than likely. HOWEVER, did you notice at 9:33 Jayne Meadows threw a curve that had both Cobb and Moore baffled for a moment.
Oh Man...women don't know nuthin' so not blindfolded....well, not today!! lol And..."A carton of Winstons from our client and us" Well, not today. lol Yikes!....but cool to see these old-timers.
@@markcornish2519 That's right, Mark lol...but seriously, Garry Moore (who exits the the wings from behind the curtain to take his chair as host WITH A CIGARETTE IN HAND (!), Bill Cullen and Henry Morgan all died of lung cancer or in Moore's case, emphysema. Now the ladies, Jaye Meadows and Kitty Carlisle...well maybe they smoked but they both made it in to their mid-90's with no cancer or emphysema!
If you'd like to learn more about the REAL Ty Cobb, come visit the Ty Cobb Legacy facebook page. Lotsa pics, clippings, great conversations. See you there!
Cobb is a gentle old man here, but make no mistake about it, he was tough back in the day. His first full season the catcher on his team had been a sparring partner of Jack Johnson's. He decided to give him the old rookie hazing along with some others but Ty was having none of it. He ended up getting knocked out by the catcher several times. The team had to eventually trade him away to save their future star. The best explanation I read about what happened with the writer Al Stump was that Stump decided to imagine that the young Cobb had never changed and was still the same as an old man, albeit sick and drunk. Telling a story about a man who recognized the virtue of black players after the success of Jackie Robinson, and had become a quiet gentleman in his old age wouldn't sell particularly well.
I know they were very sexist back then but this episode is one of the most! Very insulting to the ladies. I was hoping one of the ladies would recognise 1 of the men. My aunt probably could have.
Ty Cobb asks to say hello to the panel, then addresses the ladies first. A true gentleman.
Cobb hit almost .370 for a quarter of a century-WOW!!
Amazing.
Cobb-What a treat this was to see.
😁
The first time I watched this, as soon as Mr. Cobb removed his glasses I thought, "NO-O-O-O-O!!!! -- Ty Cobb? For real, TY COBB?"" Seeing him here and hearing him speak rattled my world perception as much as if a recording suddenly turned up with Abraham Lincoln ... or even Julius Caesar! ... on it.
After reading "Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty" by Charles Leerhsen, my opinion of Ty Cobb changed quite a bit. The Author did a great job or really investigating some of the myths and events attributed to Ty as being racist and after reading the entire thing you'll gain some sympathy for the man, and while he isn't a saint, he's definitely not the demonised arsehole you see portrayed. I highly recommend it to anyone
That's a fact. I never did like the way he was judged by twenty-first century mores. He was a product of his time just as we all are. The book gave an honest and judicious look into a man I believe to be the greatest ballplayer of all time. Glad to see his good name restored to where it should be!
Ty Cobb: A Tiger, not an Angel
Al Stump was a lying fraudulent hack.
Ernie Harwell liked him and Ernie was the probably the nicest person God ever created. If Cobb was the awful person Stump and others made him out to be, Ernie would have had nothing to do with him.
@RockMeAmadeus You are so right, leave it to these leftist all the people who disagree with their agenda would be locked away.
Sound familiar?
I like Kitty's statement at the end, "your the only one I ever heard of". That's really a great compliment she was giving him.
It's hard to believe, though, that she heard of him and not Babe Ruth.
@@cynic2all I think she meant "the only one" of the 3 guests.
@@bobpoet9783 Yes, I agree now that's probably what she meant. In looking at this again, Garry Moore told Vander Mear, "It was a great joy having you with you."
I loved a comment attributed to him. he was asked long after retirement how he would do against modern pitchers. he said he would bat about300. the reporter expressed surprise that he did not give a higher figure. Cobb replied you have to remember Im 67 years old....classic....
COBB STARTS FOR ME IN CENTERFIELD ON MY ALL TIME TEAM!LEADS OFF TOO!
Come join us at the Ty Cobb Legacy facebook page.
You'll Love it!
Sorry Willie Mays number 1
@@waynemcafee8647 Mays is nowhere near Cobb's level!
How about Rickey Henderson then Cobb?
Cobb starts in center for me as well.
I remember seeing this show live when I was a kid. Even than when he walked on, I knew who he was. A long time fan of Baseball and still am. I still think Ty was the Greatest Ballplayer ever.
Amazing historical document, this, with Vander Meer and Cobb!
COBB,THE GENTLEMAN-SHOOK THE LADIES HANDS FIRST.
What a gentleman he seemed like in every way.
@@VioletJoy Yes he was. But he wasn't one that you'd want to get mad with you, especially on the baseball field. He was even known to go after fans in the bleachers that made him mad. But for that I don't blame him. A great history of a great ball player. As a side note, he along with his parents and an Aunt are entombed diagonally across from my grand father and great grand parents in a cemetery in Royston, GA..
@@jimjordan5630 Wow! So interesting. I appreciate the reply so much. It's really interesting how he came across so humble, connected and gentle here, but could still be savage on the ball field.
I met Johnny Vander Meer in 1995. Even though I know he was asked 1000's of times about throwing those back to back no-hitters he was super nice with me when I got to talk with him about them.
runawayuniverse Lucky Fella.
Hilarious that the guests get a carton of Winstons.
And back then a carton was like $2.
My thoughts exactly!
Wow imagine meeting Ty Cobb ? He was so humble and gracious to everyone ...
Not a saint, but valued being a gentleman.
The Georgia Peach, from Royston, Ga.....there us a museum there just off Ga. # 17...☺️
OMG, Ty Cobb! How cool was that!
My brother met him two years after this show aired when he was still living in atherton, ca just a short bike ride from our home in Redwood city. My brother was 14 at the time and played on a Babe ruth league team with Jim Fregosi ( who would soon sign his first MLB contract ).
The Peach!Alright!
👍
I wonder if Pete Rose ever saw this clip......he'd be like..."I broke Ty's hitting record but I never got no carton of Winstons"...lol
Read "Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty." You will learn a lot.
Michael Barnhart Finishing it now. He got a real raw deal insofar as his reputation goes.
26 innings in 3 hours and 50 minutes. That's 8 minutes 51 seconds per inning.Not half inning: inning!
You'll never see any
One even attempt to
Break that record today,because of the
use of the Bullpen, &
the teams closely monitor the pitchers
On their pitch count.
Bsck then they pitched the whole
game
The shortest game ever by time was 51 minutes.
and the host talked about how long the games were "now". games were short in the 60s compared to the ridiculous nonsense now.
Incredibly cool clip! The episode of Ty Cobb on What's My Line seems to be lost to history. It's great to have this clip!
Absolutely
Now,Cobb,could really hit.
Nobody will ever break two no-hitters in a row, carve it in granite.
I could see someone MAYBE tying it one day. But breaking it? Never. Impossible.
That's because managers won't allow pitchers to go 9 innings anymore.
It wont ever be tied. Nevermind broken.
Fantastic
Ty Cobb was more soft spoken than other people
Ty Cobb was legend. One of the most competitive athletes to face opposition in sports. That attitude of playing to win at all times ruffled feathers and they tarnished his reputation for life and beyond.
Cobb comes off as a true Southern Gentleman - has to be one of if not the most misunderstood athletes in the canyon of American Sports. The injustice that has been done to his name over the years is criminal. Thank goodness for the true light that has slowly but surely been brought to his name.
Cobb also holds records for stealing home plate in a season (8 in 1912), and in a career (54)
Among others
What we understand to be true of Ty's attidude may not be true. Yes he played hard and to win, but lets not judge a man we don't even know. What I do know is that he was a Great Ballplayer.
Silvana Pampanini introduced the segment. A legend in Italian cinema. She was a rival of Sophia Loren during the 1940s and 1950s and considered to be as glamorous. Her career in U.S. cinema was hampered by her difficulty in speaking English.
THE GEORGIA PEACH!
🤗
There is "The Ty Cobb" museum in Royston, Georgia. That's in the northern part of Ga. just off Ga. route 17. 😀
@@janeiwasduncan8463 My grand father and great grand parents are buried diagonally across from his Mausoleum.
Yes!
When Cobb was still with the Tigers, there was one instance when the rest of the team sat out a game to protest him getting suspended, so they sent pretty much a whole team of amateur players to take the field once versus the Philadelphia A's. The A's won that game by a landslide.
We watched I've Got a Secret regularly and What's My Line when I was growing up in the 1960s born in 1953. I sure remember this panel and Gary Moore well but with this from 1955 they are younger looking than I remember them. This was an interesting episode since I like baseball history.
Me too! Born 1953 and watched these shows also. Hmmm. Does that make me part is the "Me Too" movement? 😂. JK
Ty Cobb smiling and shaking hands?????
Most of the "legend of Cobb's personality" is bullshit perpetrated by Al Stump.
As a Reds fan, I knew right away who the 2nd guy was. But that first guy...wow. 26 consecutive innings, called on account of nightfall. Crazy!!
In defense of those who thought it was crazy that a game would be called on account of darkness, think of the games played at Wrigley Field in Chicago prior to 1988!
the fellow that pitched 26 innings in the 1920 game is leon cadore, the guy he pitched against him also pitched the whole 26 innings, joe oeschger, who was also alive during this broadcast. at first i thought ty cobb had snubbed bill cullen's hand shake for the "spiking 2nd basemen" crack. but upon 2nd look he was just being a gentlemen and addressing the women first. to this day johnny vander meer is the only pitcher to ever throw two no-hitters back to back.
Cadore and Joe Oeschger both pitched 26 innings in the same game.
Really fascinating video! So many interesting things!
(& considering I've only heard negative things) about Ty Cobb's personality.
The 1st make celebrity contestant was very witty and funny.
I never knew that the 26 inning, longest game, was fully completed by one pitcher!
The "spiking the 2nd baseman" comment was purely a brilliant ending line by the other male celebrity contestant.
Ty Cobb! Wow!
Cobb retired with 90 records.
That itself is a record.
Johnny Vander Meer Two consecutive no-hitters is the greatest pitching feet ever. That makes a perfect game look like child's play. That record will never be beat until they invent mechanical arms for pitchers. Haha
Long-ago baseball writer and official scorer Fred Lieb was covering a game at one of the bookends of Johnny Van der Meer’s two no-hitters. Lieb insisted to his death that a hit against Van der Meer ought to have been ruled an error; had his opinion been accepted, Lieb wrote that Van der Meer would have and should have had three no-hitters in a row. [PS: Ironically, In 1923, Lieb ruled a hit a first at-bat grounder, much to the vexation of the pitcher Howard Ehmke. Ehmke then kept the following twenty-seven men off base. As in his previous game he had pitched a no-hitter, Ehmke would have preceded Van der Meer in the consecutive twin-no-hitter feat. In 1920, Lieb initiated a rule change to allow a game-winning home run with men on base to always be counted as a home run, even if its run was not needed to win the game. To that point, a batter was only credited with a hit sufficient to score the winning run.]
"spiked a lot of second basemen too" contestants comment at the end; I wonder if he got smacked around for that one.
LOL, no but you're right to wonder! Henry Morgan was always kind of a wise guy. He's on the IGAS episode with Satchel Paige, too.
@@robertpoet5503 The comment came from Bill Cullen.
When mr.cobb passed away (1961) he had amassed 13 million$ in total assets mostly GM&Coca cola stock.
Mind you this was back in early 60's so in today's dollars about 470 million.
$112 M in today's dollars, but still a bodacious amount, n'est pas?
Nice
Cobb once said the only modern player he would pay to watch play was Willie Mays. Great choice.
I did not realize that Ty Cobb had at one time played for the Philadelphia Athletics. Apparently he did during his final two seasons as a player in 1927 and 1928. Also, his lifetime batting average record still stands to this day. Absolutely amazing.
The 1928 A's also had an aging Tris Speaker on their roster. They gave the Yankees a good battle for the AL pennant.
Yeah, Jane Meadows threw 'em a knuckler there. Both Moore and Cobb were baffled for a moment.
Batting .420 for a season. Jeebus.. 😳
"He was a mean one"
I would have recognized Ty Cobb immediately. He was Soo rich at the time ,I hope he gave those smokes to an intern.
No internet and UA-cam back then, pal.
Ty cobs record will never be broken
That 26 inning game which ended in a tie didn't happen happen during the World Series but the Robins as they were also known in that season did go on to the World Series but lost to the Indians. The irony is the team they played for 26 innings was the Braves. So Indian words not so good for them.
Those three were holding up well. Baseball was still revered and was clearly still the national pastime. It was the only nationally followed pro sport. It was so clustered in the northeast, due to no jet travel to the west and segregation in the south. But people everywhere had a fav team and player.
Funny, what horrible press Cobb got. I don't think many players in those days were too sweet on or off the field. His achievements on and off the field contradict everything about the mental case he's been portrayed as. Tiger Woods is even meaner, but the world loves him🤷♂️
Never gave Cobb much thought bc he played so long ago, but have to admit I always thought he was an immoral person based on field of dreams and Cobb movie. How wrong I was.
Fake news, he didn't pull a gun out and hold everyone hostage to explain the lost art of hitting a baseball. 😉
Pete Rose tells the story of Cobb sitting in the Yankees dugout one day before a game. One of the Yankees asks what he is doing there. The player then tells the SOB (Cobb) to get out and go back to his own dugout. Cobb glares at the player and leaves the dugout without saying a word. Later, Cobb is taking batting practice with the Yankees sitting in their dugout waiting their turn. Cobb then proceeds to hit hit 16 straight pitches in the Yankees dugout as the Yankees are scurrying around taking cover.
Pete must've heard that from someone else. Cobb died before Rose reached the majors.
Cobb is baseball
I can't find part two anywhere. Could someone please provide a link? I'm dying to see the rest of it!!
Cartons of Winston to both Cullen and Morgan who both died of lung cancer
Didn't know that, yes. They lived to be 70 and 79, respectively.
Can't "like" your post, but thanks for the prescient reminder.
With the coronavirus pandemic upon us, today would be SUCH a great day to quit!!
That's right
Where is Part 2?
amazing
Very Cool!
I was looking for a new hobby///Smoking it is
So funny how it was completely acceptable to be condescending to women on TV in those days.
That's because back then women (and people in general) knew how to take a joke and not take themselves too seriously
Matt McNish Yep. Back then, people weren't a bunch of politically correct pussies. A much better time in our country.
+Jesse Taylor You know it, sweetheart
It also was accurate. The male panelists knew a lot about baseball; the females didn't.
@@Lava1964 of course -- then as now, more than likely.
HOWEVER, did you notice at 9:33 Jayne Meadows threw a curve that had both Cobb and Moore baffled for a moment.
26 innings!!! What's crazier ,the innings pitched or that both teams only scored one run!!!
Both!!
How about the fact that the opposing pitcher, Joe Oeschger, also pitched all 26 innings!
Here take a carton of cigarettes which could kill you😂
Oh Man...women don't know nuthin' so not blindfolded....well, not today!! lol And..."A carton of Winstons from our client and us" Well, not today. lol Yikes!....but cool to see these old-timers.
.367
No one will ever come close to that
"The ladies whom we figure don't know nuthin' about baseball..." Ugh.
So insulting!
Well it turned out they didn’t.
A carton of cigarettes was the prize???
Yup, and as Gary Moore says: "from our client [RJ Reynolds] and us" Oh Man!
No lung cancer yet! Hey get started!
@@markcornish2519 That's right, Mark lol...but seriously, Garry Moore (who exits the the wings from behind the curtain to take his chair as host WITH A CIGARETTE IN HAND (!), Bill Cullen and Henry Morgan all died of lung cancer or in Moore's case, emphysema. Now the ladies, Jaye Meadows and Kitty Carlisle...well maybe they smoked but they both made it in to their mid-90's with no cancer or emphysema!
A carton of smokes
What's the point ?!!
And we wonder how people got addicted to tobacco
Hey Cobb-alright.
Aaahh,the memories.
👍
Yes
LOL....Here's a Carton of Winstons. Man...how times have changed.
You said it! lol
Quite a contrast from Tommy Lee Jones' depiction of an aging Cobb...
Oh yeah. A much younger Robert Duvall would've been a much better fit for playing the role of Ty Cobb than Tommy Lee Jones.
@T Ryan 1955 so Cobb would be gone just 6 years later.
Tommy Lee's depiction was pure BS......
Ty Cobb. Nuff said
He "played batter"? The way they discussed sports back then was weird.
Ty freaking Cobb!
If you'd like to learn more about the REAL Ty Cobb, come visit the Ty Cobb Legacy facebook page. Lotsa pics, clippings, great conversations.
See you there!
"Here, please accept this carton of Winston's from us with our thanks." Lmao
My boss at my part time job would love this episode being that it deals with baseball
That was an awesome clip!!
Amazing, Ty Cobb!
Cobb is a gentle old man here, but make no mistake about it, he was tough back in the day. His first full season the catcher on his team had been a sparring partner of Jack Johnson's. He decided to give him the old rookie hazing along with some others but Ty was having none of it. He ended up getting knocked out by the catcher several times. The team had to eventually trade him away to save their future star. The best explanation I read about what happened with the writer Al Stump was that Stump decided to imagine that the young Cobb had never changed and was still the same as an old man, albeit sick and drunk. Telling a story about a man who recognized the virtue of black players after the success of Jackie Robinson, and had become a quiet gentleman in his old age wouldn't sell particularly well.
I know they were very sexist back then but this episode is one of the most! Very insulting to the ladies. I was hoping one of the ladies would recognise 1 of the men. My aunt probably could have.
You are right about this, Alice