Messianic Theologian Reacts to The Chosen's John the Baptist
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- Опубліковано 19 лют 2022
- One of the more controversial characters in @TheChosenSeries is John the Baptist, and for good reason. But did The Chosen team go too far in their portrayal of the zealous cousin of Jesus? Sam and Tom let us in on some historical background that helps explain why John is so intense and also why it’s ok that he talks to Jesus with so much candor.
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One last hug between the cousins, my heart broke with Jesus as he sees him leaving and it's the last time he'll see him on earth
Do people realize that the Chosen is heavy of 'creative imagination' and that a conversation like this most likely did not occur . Thats somethimes the problem with shows that are bible based. People who are more ignorant of the actual descriptions of the bible will believe it and then divulge it as bible truth.
@@kayfergomez6305 , God bless you for your discernment these movies are not exact we couldn’t expect that. They are however a collaboration of many Christian religions. They encourage so many people, as other movies in the past have, to take their bibles and open them. God bless your walk
Mine too!!! 😓It was such a bitter sweet moment. 😢 So sad.
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What do you mean they are a collaboration of many Christian Religions?
Christianity is only one Religion.
@Jesus's name was Joshua , Methodist, Baptist, Adventist, Catholic. All worshipping God, working together to spread His word through this movie
“Hanging out in rivers…” 😂 Oh man, well done, Sam, well done…That one’s gonna stick, lol. Love seeing the notification that one of your videos has popped up and how much I learn from your scene breakdowns! The behind-the-scenes of the making of this scene was so good too, watching the actor playing John trying to let go of speaking his lines in the King James version, lol. Thank you for this! I remember seeing your full video and it was just so good! (And please, more air drumming! 😁😂 Love the sense of humor you both bring to the channel!) 🙏🏾💙
PS I just saw your link in the description box to join the Grafted family…what a great idea! Editing my comment to add a little note in case others haven’t seen that link yet and might want to check it out. May your channel continue to grow and may more lives be touched by everything you two have to share! Peace & Blessings 🙏🏾
Loved this show. U guys are so interesting. Proud to be a donated.
Thanks so much for your financial partnership, we really need it!
Greetings from Canada. In the way many wondered if the Messiah would come in their time two millennia ago, we now wonder if his second coming will happen during our time. Especially considering the state of the world today. Great job. I always love it when I see you're posting something new. As for the portrayal of John the Baptist? Who knows, I wasn't there, but it does give a good contextual visual, which helps the message stick in your head.
Praying for Canada.
I love watching your youtubes on the chosen.You both bring so much Jewish history to help my understanding of the times in which Jesus lived.I love that you watch for the first time and then comment on what you have just seen.I love your reactions.😂This episode with John the Baptist brought me to tears.Especially when John leaves,(not shown on your video)The pain in Jesus eyes when John walked away,Jesus knowing what was ahead for John,and knowing He,Jesus,would not see him again this side of heaven. Thanks again Janet Kostrewa
Wow, I am so glad I found you guys! This video was amazing and you both are fantastic. Please keep doing videos like this 🙏
Love your videos. You provide such an interesting perspective. Thanks so much!
Love your commentaries! You never disappoint!
As always Sam and Tom, I appreciate what I learn from both of you. Thank you!
Loved this. So human, but that's what they were at the time.
J.T.B. is an Essene-lite. Interestingly, we know that noone grows in complacency. So our path may never be easy, yet we be ready. My fear of the events of today is paralleled ONLY by the glory in the knowing of Yashua's coming. We are ALL truly blessed.😇❤️🙏
I’ve missed you guys!!!!! Hope all is ok with you and your families!!!!
Fun talk comments, love your program,thanks so much, bring it all to life.
Blessings from Saint Simons Island Georgia. John was fulfilling prophesy and God’s purpose for Christ’s baptismal revelation.
Amazing analysis thank you for sharing 🙏🏽
YOU ARE AWESOME!!!! I've been a big fan of The Chosen and your channel came up through The Chosen, so I thought why not!!! I have to say that watching you both have made my understanding of The Chosen and the Bible so much clearer. I have recently come back to Yeshua and God and honestly feel y'all are part of my journey home. Will "pay it forward" as soon as I can. Love you guys so much.
HaleluYah! So good to have you in the Family of Messiah! We rejoice with the angels!
Just came across this and the moment you guys started commenting I thought to myself. "Oh Lord yes.. I was thinking in those same lines.. how JtB is so so so bold and want to kick some people and how cool 😎 Yeshua is.. I have always thought what it would have even been for those neighbors of yeshua..kids in the hood..or even the kids Jesus spoke to and may be later they grew up into the times old uncle Peter and may be Saul also grew up at those times as a kid.. I love The Chosen -a dream come true personally for me.. just makes me fall in love with Yeshua our King.. cannot wait to see Him..in person.. face to face..
Thanks guys.. keep up the good work..❤
locust: the large edible pod of some plants of the pea family, in particular the carob bean, which is said to resemble a bug
Interesting, I've never heard that, I'll have to ask Tom or look it up. Thanks for commenting.
Love your channel. I would like to see yall do a podcast on the difference between Davidiac covenant and Abraham covenant.
That’s an interesting idea. Thanks for suggesting it!
@@Grafted I'd also be very interested in that! You guys always have a great way of explaining things 😊
I actually love how John is portrayed in "The Chosen".🥰 Really, they've done an excellent job with all of the characters in the show. Love it. ❤
Odd that you mention, what would like to be Jesus cousin but you never mention his siblings.
I love John. I can only hope some of the characters had spice like this. Im an outcast so I love it.
I love the fact that the Chosen brings in the humanity side of Yeshua and Yon [John]. The fact is that Yeshua is incarnate. To see how two people who are here for a sole purpose and fulfilling it. The reality of doing what you are called for and doing it. Is not always easy. No matter how we view Yeshua today. He went through everything we deal with and struggle with today, being able to relate with us but never sinning. This movie and all the episodes have been divinely instructed I believe by our Lord. Enough to have us come and see...
God Bless..
This is exactly what's going on now. It's very real right now.
I died when he said "That was classy" 😂😂😂
Yes I was not overly fond of John the Baptist in The Chosen. I don’t think he was as wild as he was shown.
He in real life was daring though and definitely outspoken and was aware of sin and wanted to expose it!
He was strict for sure. Did not mince words!
Maybe he was an Essence.
Great things to discuss. Thank you.
I absolutely love The Chosen’s portrayal of many of the Bible character’s, but sadly I struggle with John the Baptist’s portrayal, as Tom does.
In the scriptures, John comes across as bold, but not arrogant; willing to stand up for what is right, but he didn’t seek to condemn Herod, as is presented in the show. John comes across as zealous for the Lord in the scriptures, he also comes across as zealous in the show, but that zealousness is tamed in the scriptures, but less so in the show.
But if the characteristics of John in the show wasn’t specifically framed in the biblical and historical person of John of the Baptist, I would absolutely love this character.
John's great great great great grand baby brother and Tom, we love you 😄😍🥰
Blessing
Shalom, Sam and Tom! I could be wrong, but weren't locusts considered unclean insects, or did John the Baptist eat them anyway because they were all that was available for food (besides the raw honey)?
Locusts are biblically kosher meaning the LORD did NOT prohibit the Jewish people from eating them. This was especially helpful if a plague of locust ate their crops.
@@Grafted Shalom, Sam and Tom! My bad.
It always hurts my heart when everyone is urging him to “get to the point” when we know that the “point” is his death and resurrection…
John's presented like a wild man in the Bible... 😉
True 🙂
Amen, I'm so glad to hear that you believe John to be an Essence! I love the Essenes! Their teachings on the Messiah were spot on. The original messianic jews😁
Please do season 1
Slowly but surely!
@@Grafted So so cool that you guys answer us directly. And I thought I couldn’t love you any more than I did. Now I do. I do so love enjoy learning from you guys.
I wish I could respond to more! Blessings and Shalom!
@@Grafted Understood. Shalom
John the Baptizer was only 6 months older than Yeshua. When Herod's decree went out for all the little boys 2 and under to be killed, John would have also been a part of that. Josephus talks about a priest killed in the temple for not giving up his son. Yeshua told the Pharisees they killed Zechariah at the altar. It is believed John was hidden at Qumran and his parents killed because they would not give him up. People knew he had a miraculous birth. Zachariah couldn't speak until he named John. I'm sure they thought John was the one the Roman government was looking for.
The Qumran community had a lot of qualities that make them sound like the sort of community John came from. They were into ritual washing, believed that the world had been split into the sons of light and the sons of darkness, and even seemed to believe that through extremely strict and fanatical adherence to the Law of Moses they could cause the Messiah to come and usher in the Kingdom of God. All of it is very similar to John's seemingly unique message.
I don’t think Jesus would have corrected John about being Elijah since Jesus is the One who said John was the Elijah to come if His disciples were willing to accept it.
Also, I don’t think John would have pressured Jesus about the way He was conducting His business. I can’t see him going from, “I’m not worthy to touch His sandals” to “why do you run away after healing people?” It’s not consistent with the character of John in scripture. John loved Jesus and he knew Him. He’d known him from the womb. Also, Jesus called him the greatest man born of a woman. I just don’t see them relating this way. Although I actually really like how wild they made him.
Great comments!
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Love that you are commenting on this series. Check out the Maccabean revolt in 165 BC and who usurped the temple. The real priests had to flee to the dessert at that time. Bethabara, which is now called Qumran. John's lineage comes through Aaron and the Aaronic priesthood. Luke 1:5-10. Then through Zadok. The Qumran documents are full of the sons of Zadok who lived there and their documents note the wicked priests who took over the temple. These were not Essenes living in Qumran. The Essenes lived 25 miles south in Ein Gedi. Check out Who Defiled the 2nd Temple. The wicked priests were now in Jerusalem in the temple. Who is messiah always contending with? Where did messiah get baptized? Up in Bethabara. Hebrews 7 There has been a change in priesthood because of Messiah.
The entire modern Old Testament canon was found in Qumran with the exception of the Book of Esther. For many of these books, these are the oldest copies found and some were complete such as the 24-foot long Isaiah Scroll. After over 70 years, we still know little about this community yet the archaeology, writings of the community and the large compound found there confirm these were the Aaronic Levite Priests, the sons of Zadok, who had been exiled to the Wilderness of Judaea by the Hasmoneans and Pharisees. They were the Temple High Priests replaced by a new unbiblical order. However, today, the world allows the Pharisees to teach us about this community. No wonder we know so little. This was the base of operations for John the Baptist and his disciples where he baptized Jesus(Yahusha) and was visited by Him later privately. It is among the most well-documented New Testament communities on record and the church does not even know because it is too busy defending a control narrative that the other books found with the Old Testament are somehow cursed when Jesus(Yahusha) and John the Baptist set this library as a time capsule. In 1947, the voice in the wilderness cried out yet again. Did you hear it?
LOL! Have you seen the movie Jesus of Nazareth on how they portrayed John the Baptiser? That was the crazy John.
I have two questions/comments for you.
1. The Bible says something like John was set apart from birth and he was to have no strong drink… Or something like that. I always assumed this was a reference to the Nazirite Vow. What are your thoughts??????
It seems The Chosen took at least a step in that direction.
2. The Bible says Jesus left Bethlehem for Egypt when he was two-ish. We are not told how long he had to stay there. John’s parents were very old, and could have died when he was still very young. If, he grew up in a settlement like Quorum. Isn’t it possible that although the families were close at the beginning John may not have known Jesus growing up????????
1) Yes, from birth, John was under a lifelong Nazirite vow similar to Sampson. 2) Yes, that's a possibility especially since the Essenes did not value the Jerusalem Temple. However, Qumran wasn't very far away from Jerusalem but it is a long ways from Nazareth.
Conceived and born by two old people 🙌🙌😅 John is hilarious
Additionally, we know that Mary was born to aging parents (not young ones) and that Elizabeth was an aging parent (probably late 20s to early 30s)--they both were raising young Jewish boys to become Jewish men by the age of Bah Mitzvah--aged 13...not pretend men, real ones, with real survival responsibilities--playing and laughing would not have been high on their list--we know that this was a deeply religious family who observed all of the religious holidays--most likely what we would call Orthodox...they family spent some part of young Jesus life in Egypt, after his birth--and they did not then return to Jerusalem, but moved to Nazareth (a backwater at that time)...we know that Jesus was well schooled in religious matters from his meeting with the elders in the Temple at the age of 12, where they were amazed at his base of knowledge (when he was lost from his parents at that time)...this was NOT a family that took religious matter lightly and they did NOT just allow their children to run willy nilly throughout the countryside to become some sort of wild cave men...there is NO indication that anyone in the family was crazy or had any mental defects...Now--go forward and try again--and tell Dallas Jenkins to do the same--this is NOT who John the Baptist was and it is an affront to history and to the Jewish people...dts/usa
Elizabeth lived in Ein Karem and Mary at age 14, visited Elizabeth's home (it may have been partially in a cave) prior to the Christ's birth (it is now a suburb of Jerusalem)...they have made John into a buffoon--which he most certainly was NOT--he is a Saint...dts/usa
The whole second season treatment of JTB is really awful . The convo w Jesus is half bad but recovers itself at the end . Calling him creepy and gave him jump out of bushes , then criticizing Jesus. Ugh
This is where we quit watching the show. You got John the Baptist acting like some cool dude from the hood. And then you have him confronting and challenging and even correcting Jesus. It doesn’t Jive with psychology, or the tone of the scripture… John the Baptist had upmost respect, humble respect for Jesus.
I think it’s a result of a lot of people who grew up in church don’t really know the Lord, but speak the language. When you get saved, you know it. And you can’t help telling people. And the reason we have shows like this is because…we don’t have people telling people…personally.
Matthew 11:11 KJVVerily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
I think in the Chosen they put too much words into the mouth of John. I really think that in the circle of Jewish people and especially ministers of God there was a high respect toward David and he was anointed one. I don't think that John even dared to think so negatively about David. And also nowhere in the Bible God says be careful. Therefore I don't think that Jesus said to John be careful. On the contrary, God always says "Do not fear!" "Be wise!"
why have they tuned John the Baptist into some kind of wild cave man???? Mary the Mother was a cousin of Elizabeth--they both came from the same family...they both were brought up in Jerusalem...Mary lived part of her young life in a monastery in Jerusalem...they were Jews--and would have studied spiritual matters at a young age--as well as laws...they were most likely a kind, gentle, spiritual and intellectual family...John was most likely a member of the Essenes--a monastic sect that transcribed the Torah (the Dead Sea scrolls==not one or two--but thousands of scrolls), which would indicate that he was educated and most likely a monk...why NOW has he become some sort of a wild and crazy cave man? this is simply ridiculous--and does not square with any known historical account of this Jewish family...stop rewriting history--study it instead--as messianic Jews, you have a duty to tell the world what your ancestory is--stop laughing at it and get to work--DO SOMETHING...dts/usa
What a dumb portrayal of John the Baptist. Good grief.