I got a busted used 4080 for 400$ and then figured out how to get it to work. Runs great just don't breathe the wrong way around it. Do I have a reason to talk about this no, do I want to yes.
Best tip is don’t upgrade unless you have to. You don’t need the very latest, get the performance you want and stick with it until your pc can’t meet your demands.
i prefer to get something that i wont need to replace anything for 10 years. so, i want 3060 12gb and am saving up, got a 12400f, and ddr4 ram is doing fine - those should do me for years because i seen ppl running 9th gen cpu intel and still looks good and high FPS. 10 years is a lot of time to save for the next decade perhaps more with cpu, ram and mb and gpu (unless amd succeeds with apu that genuinely do away with separate gpu chip for gaming and not just on laptops).
@@Phil-q7h exactly... I'm running a 7700k and a 1080 and can play cyberpunk not a problem so yeah you don't need a current gen pc to play the most demanding games
I have a buddy that is a more budget gamer. I upgrade every GPU generation and every other CPU generation. He just got my 6900xt paired with a 5800x3d and some ram. What I do is sell to him about 10 to 15 percent less than the average asking price. He always has a very decent gaming rig, pays significantly less that new an less than from ebay. Plus he is my best friend so he doesn't have to worry about being ripped off. When I sell him the new stuff, he gives me the older stuff back. I never ask him to do that, he just doesn't want to keep it or try and sell it. So my daughter always gets a bit of an upgrade too. It works out well because then it isn't so expensive for me to upgrade constantly.
Thats funny as hell , i do the same with my best friend, but i generally dont bother charging him, I give him my immediate older parts, and then he gives me back the parts i had given him previously. My wife doesnt game, so the 3rd hand parts coming back go to her. she's a writer, running a 1700x , 16gb ram and a gtx 1060 (but that gpu is even enough to give her system local ai)
@Dj-Mccullough I have felt bad before but the rest of the story is this...I built his first PC years ago with some left over parts and gave it to him for free. He is a really good dude and is always there when you need him so I did it to help him out. Ever since then he insists on giving me the old stuff back and paying me for the parts because I was willing to build him a PC for free. I feel bad sometimes but he genuinely wants to do it and gets upset if I don't let him. So I show him respect and keep it the way we do it now.
When you’re meeting in person to exchange goods, always have a sniper in a higher position overlooking the sale and solid radio communication… and have a trigger word….lol
I got 2 of them a couple weeks ago for my kids PC's at $300 as well. People are starting to sell off their stuff I also got 2 7800X3D's one was never opened and the other one looked new but open both work great same guy he gave him to me for $280 each I didn't ask why he was selling them so cheap either . So those will be xmas gifts for my nephews I have the parts to build them a decent right I have some 3080's as well those I got for $225. People just selling their stuff off but I went local.
I’m trying to sell a 2070 super I found in a storage unit. I cleaned it and it runs great but if ppl are buying 3080ti s for 299 sheshhhh imma have to sell it for like 150 or 160
Remember: Despite what Jay may think you can in fact get a FULL refund if the item you purchase on eBay is faulty. Just make sure you read the listing carefully because it doesn't cover stated defects. P.S. DO NOT EVER RMA a faulty product within its return window regardless of platform or new/used. ALWAYS return it.
Mostly agree with rwtrining during return windows rather than RMA...aka exchange/repair Need/use case and platform lock being the exceptions Rare to have COVID like supply issues abound, but was definitely better to have vehicle fixed and take a loaner than to return vehicle and not be able to buy a replacement for 8+months. Similar would be having a GPU or not during the GPU shortage (when RMA would get you a replacement and returning it would leave you unable to purchase a like-for-like) If motherboard platform isn't in the same return window as CPU ...you end-up committed or just taking a loss especially if it was OG HEDT Threadripper.
Returns are much faster as well. I've had to RMA items that were sold as working on local markets, but were not (luckily still in RMA period). It did work fine, but it took weeks. Still using that board today
Had an AOC monitor that I'd RMA'd in the return window. . . yeah, nightmare. You can't return a replacement to the place you bought it from - if you're lucky (as I was), you can get the original back from the manufacturer to return and get your money back... if not, you're screwed.
@@xXDeltaXxwhotookit Had a friend stupidly do the same thing (kinda) with Asus with dead pixels. They kept sending him "refurbs" with even more defective pixels than his original. He eventually got one that wasn't a cluster of pixils and called it good but yea... should have probably checked that during the return window and returned it. I've checked all my monitors the day I get them because of this. Most I've had was a single dead subpixel on an open box model so I didn't bother.
21:41 I only meet up at PD parking lots to sell used goods. I've had a few people over the years question it and change their mind about the sale. Way I see it, someone else won't have an issue, and I'm more comfortable.
my only issue with buying second hand is that I've been stung every time I've done it, seems people I find only sell literally broken or dying things as "excellent condition" only for it to die on me a month or two later, so I just don't buy used anymore, not worth the hassle of going through the returns/warranty stuff constantly
Cash is also an option Jay. Last part I sold was an RX 580 to a kid that was like 14 maybe and his mom was with him. In certain contexts,cash is just fine.
Maybe it's the market, but in my area cash is preferred, at least for ag things like animals and hay Heck, nobody blinks if you pull out $100 bills to pay at stores.
@@xcgates I prefer $50s, but yeah C notes are the new 20. Thank Nixon for destroying the US dollar. (I'm old enough to remember $1000 and $500 bills. They should really make new $500 and $2k notes. The stacks of 100s for a beater used car is annoying.)
Problem with cash is that you don't have proof either, so if somehow you get ripped off, you also lost the money, it's no different than what he said about "friends and family" transaction on paypal, sure, you at least can see the item in person, but it could be something wrong with it that is not clearly visible or whatever, if you're going to buy used, in my opinion, it's your work to cover your ass, and paying cash is the perfect way to not cover it properly.
I work in a primary school, I've paid a lot of attention to launches and bought second hand for all the computers in the school, over the last couple of years it's saved thousands in the budget.
Yes, that is thing most people are wasting money by buying newest of whatever when they buy. I can only imagine how buying items for several computers that the school may have can be pain.
As a computer shop tech, average 5 to 10 customers per week and manage businesses/schools Wr end up with so many scrapware that at the end of the year, as in rn we are building 20+ laptops to gift to underprivledged schools in other countries Here in aus we say the computers are too slow and need to be upgraded but some places dont even have any pc's!! This is where it almost doesnt matter how old it is - if it is 10/15yrs old it geberally speaking is good enough for browsing and watching movies which is perfect for many
Jay you say that buying used 13 and 14th gen is not good right now. I think its more correct to say it not good to buy those parts used ever, since the problem is baked in and cannot be eliminated as well as most people willing to sell used busted parts and then play dumb or disappearing.
@@XFXGXthat is just not true. Sure you have to take the risk when you buy any hardware used. But as long as you do your research on the seller and all that good stuff, chances are you will end up with a working hardware most of the time.
@@neoand3rson I mean 13/14th gen CPU’s that are degraded from overvolting also “work” but they can crash sooner or later. It’s less likely to happen with a different cpu but there’s still overclockers that push them over the max and then sell them off
I have been purchasing used PC tech off E-Bay for over 20 years and have only ever received one dead component. It was an Asus Z170 mobo with bent pins in the socket. Contacted the seller, had a refund before I shipped the board back to the seller. If a deal seems too good to be true it probably is.
@@XFXGX It's not just more likely to happen, it's much more likely. I had an 4790k that I had under custom water and overclocked to the max, ran it like that for years until water shorted everything out. 13th/14th gen even before you overclock it can break easily depending on the stock bios settings and how long it's been ran for. Most hardware can cope resonably well running at max for long periods of time.
And here I am, I can't bear to part with old PCs or PC hardware. Still have them in various rooms of my house and still have my two 8800 GTXs in a box after I replaced them in a PC.
I have that problem too.. always saying...I'm gonna sell my old stuff when I have the new toys.. then when I actually have the upgrades done ... I'm just sitting with my old stuff... well..maybe...neh ill just keep it "just in case" Got 3 am4 processors in spare "just in case" xD
i gave my friend a 10600k, z490 msi mobo, 16gb 3600, 650w psu, my old case and 1660 super when i upgraded to 12700k/6900xt but the ungrateful sh!t did nothing but complain how 'cappy' the pc was because he couldnt understand it shouldnt try to play games at max graphics :-/ fyi we are no longer friends
@@mindurbusiness-b3u Yeah that sucks, had a friend that did a similar thing, fortunately it cost much less than that though. Just be bloody greatful that you getting something for free/ way under budget
One recommendation. More and more police stations have an area for these transactions. The really good ones monitor it with a camera. Meet up with someone there. Its where I got my 3090FE back in 2021 from. But the biggest tip? If your spidy sense is tingling. Walk away from the offer. I did when they originally said I had to pay upfront before we couple open the box to verify the card. Noped out. That person eventually came back and I agreed on me giving them $200 in cash. Opened the box to inspect the product. And then I would paypal the rest.
Generally I haven't had any trouble with used parts, but it only takes one bad experience with say a GPU or CPU to torpedo any net savings you may have accumulated buying used parts. I bought an RTX 4080 used on eBay. Received it, worked fine, put it in a build for a friend and it failed after 4 months. Sending it to Gigabyte hoping to get a warranty repair or replacement, the warranty was voided due to "corrosion" caused likely by liquid damage. The corrosion is, at least now, visible through one of the cutouts in the backplate. I doubt it was particularly evident when I bought the GPU. I know, am absolutely certain, it didn't happen when the card was in my possession or in the possession of the person to whom I sold the PC. I suspect the damage was already there and finally progressed to the point it caused the failure. I also suspect the seller knew there might be a problem and sold the GPU. Since it worked when I received it, there's no remedy at this point. I'm out the money I paid for it. Even if I can get it repaired, I will still lose at least half of what I paid for it. Doesn't take buy one or two experiences like that and you eat up any and all of the savings or profit you might have garnered from buying used parts.
When I buy a used GPU, I have a very stringent validation process, which includes opening it up for inspection and TIM replacement and stress testing it to hell and back. I've bought many used GPUs from eBay over the years and only ever had one issue. It was an R9 290X and the cooler fins were stuffed full of carpet lint and cat hair. There was no saving it; even after cleaning it up, it stuttered in games because the damage was already done. I don't think the seller was trying to pull a fast one. It was the middle of the parts shortage and everyone was digging old components out of their closet. It had likely been a couple years since the seller even used it and more than likely the games they were playing at that time didn't fully stress the GPU so the degradation went unnoticed. I got a full refund. I eventually gave it away to a kid who bought an R7 370 from me, telling him that it wouldn't run at stock settings but it might work fine if he underclocked it. When you say it 'worked fine' there likely already would have been signs of trouble if you had thoroughly stress tested and benchmark tested the card. With something that new and that expensive, I probably would have done about a 2 week stress test on it. As a former miner, I know that good hardware isn't going to have an issue with that but a GPU that is just starting to show signs of failure is going to tap out. If your GPU failed due to corrosion after 4 months of using it, the signs would have already been there. The problem is you lacked the knowledge to properly test and inspect the GPU. Buying used, when I have a 30 day money back guarantee, isn't much of a risk for me because I've been building gaming PCs since 1995.
Consumers might nog be buying arrowlake but companies love them. They are fast enough for office tasks and they are efficient. When you have 100's of desktops running in a company efficiency is a nicer thing than a high 3DMark score.
They aren't efficient, which is why AMD now leads intel in both consumer and enterprise sales. You need to pay closer attention. intel got caught hiding power draw and the 285K draws about 60W more than they claim. Even if their claimed power consumption were accurate, they would still be inefficient CPUs because of the power draw. Performance per watt is like double that of AMD. And enterprise cares about that. They can always roll out more AMD CPUs, which are cheaper to begin with, to compensate for slightly lower per chip performance. The only people buying Arrow Lake are diehard intel fanboys, people with more money than brains who just buy the latest thing and people who read UserBenchmark and pretend it is valid information, when it is really just run by an intel fanboy troll who doesn't really get how PCs work. Steve Burke wouldn't wipe his butt with a 285K and he's the most credible source of info on all of YT because he does testing using actual scientific methodology and GN doesn't do sponsored testing. GN literally won't take free CPUs (or other components) from manufacturers, on principle, to avoid the possibility of cherry picking. You're literally the exact type of consumer Jay is calling out as ignorant in this video, lol.
I mean, I just scored an Aorus 3070TI that's got a fancy little LCD screen on it for only $250, barely used and looks brand new. I can finally game with everything on ultra and get super high frame rates. Makes a fella feel kinda good lol.
Yes but that’s over 4 years old. Almost 5. And 2 steps down on the “performance rung” Stuff like that, sure you can get a good deal. And there will ALWAYS be good deals to find on marketplace for people who need quick cash. You just have to be lucky enough to find them. I got a 4070ti super a few months ago for 400$. Replaced my 4070ti with it and sold my 4070ti for 550$
@HOBOTw1tcH paid over a $1000 for the 3070ti when it was new. I game 2 hours a week maybe. My card is now 2,5 years old, and has maybe 150 hours of run time on it. To sell it now for $250, because that is what they are worth would be a big loss for me, and still the buyer would get a great GPU.
Still sticking with my 12600KF. I know the x3d CPUs are better, but I have no complaints with the performance 12th gen is giving me in the games I play.
Still huh, I've upgraded to a 12600KF like a half year ago from a 12100F and this will be my daily driver for years to come. Its plenty enough for my needs and with my 3060 Ti I'm pretty much GPU bound in every new-more demanding game anyway and I'm not upgrading my GPU anytime soon either since I can't afford that even if I wanted to.😅 Btw both of my 12600KF and my 3060 TI is second hand, I did not buy a brand new GPU since 2015 and so far I'm yet to have any issues with my second hand hardware but I always make sure to only buy from ppl with a solid background on my go to second hand forum/site in my country or if possible meet up in person.
I mean my 5700x3d is amazing and only cost me 160 to get but I used aliexpress AND was already on the AM4 platform so it was a straight upgrade for me.
I don’t know why youtube decided to stop showing me your vid uploads on my feed. I’m subbed and have notifications on for all. Gotta catch up to the back log 👍🏼
Here in the UK we have a company called CEX it's a buy and sell from phones, pc parts, dvd's, cd's, console games, laptops and so on but one thing about these they give you a 24 month warranty on electrical
If you are patient enough Cash converters is worth a look to. They never have as much stock as CEX but you don't get the 20% CEX mark up on prices either. Talk to the guys in the shops as well and alot of them are more techy than the gamers in the counter at CEX so the stock is generally better graded. Only a 1 year warranty but you can also haggle on the price a bit specially if you buy multiple items
Another problem that American buyers are facing is the possibility that if we don't act now, then any possible tariffs will lead to a significant price increase. So it feels like there is no wait till 2025 option, and you should act now to get what you can. I myself am on the fence about getting two new GPUs and a CPU this month for black friday when they might be at their lowest. I feel that if I didnt have to worry about any tariffs then i would wait till 2025 for prices to lower for the items i want to buy.
This. I import a lot from China. Repair components like capacitors not available domestically, bulk fans, cables, whatever. Tariffs are a huge concern. Some of the stuff I use will simply be out of the question if tariffs came in. Instead of recapping or some other repair, it will be just junk the device. Currently working on a laserdisc player and audio tape deck. Both need parts from China. Can't buy new players. Can't get domestic US parts. It almost makes no sense to repair at all, given how old they are. Doubling parts cost means landfill for both devices.
@@LatitudeSky stop dramatizing so much wtf, any country has active tariffs stop listening to the scum media that try to scare you off, 2016-2020 was great nobody complained and it was the same policies, GPUs used to cost at max 1000$, now look what happened in just 4 years, 5090 possible costing 2500$? on what planet are you people living? Parts will become way cheaper with the new administration or at least there won't be anything crazy happening, Xi already called trump and he practically just admited that he's scared by the tariffs, china does business with the dollar, let them dare the trump admin to just cut them off completely, THEY WILL DIE OUT and US can happily manufacture at HOME.
I've been buying used hardware for the last 15 years and have had minimal issues and have save a ton of money. Some parts I will buy new but if you buy good quality parts then you can't go too wrong
@@TurboLoveTrain Ram can be ok depending on the brand and speed tbh. Definitely 1 of those parts you gotta do your homework on first before buying it. Same thing with power supplies. I'd trust a 5 y/o EVGA power supply WAY before I trust some brand new power supply from some brand I've never heard of. Lol
@@BigDrewski1000 If you're building an older system RAM is usually cheap... Especially if you're a generation behind the current generation. A power supply is something I never skimp on and never buy a generic version of. A good power supply should easily last a decade. I almost always massively under load my power supplies and never run a system without a line conditioning UPS.
I have both 7900X3D & 7800X3D chips currently sitting in brand new 4070 & 4070 Ti Super builds up on our website, FB MP & offer up. Great vid Jay & Team!
I sometimes scroll through ebay to see if I can get a deal. Heard of two people now who got an extreme deal on a gpu because the GPU I/O shield was bent. I found a 3080 for $200. Dude had said that it had issues with intermittently displaying an image, finally not displaying an image at all. He insisted it was dead. I ordered it, removed the waterblock, cleaned up far more thermal paste from random areas of the pcb than I should have ever found, put an air cooler on it, and it now works. The clear plastic part of the waterblock was fractured all to hell on the inside. I figure the guy had a dead pump or something and the heat from the gpu fractured the plexi or whatever it is. Dead pump and resulting overheating would also be an explanation for the intermittent image problems. It all depends on how the gpu protects itself. Sometimes, you can just get great deals. Sometimes you don't. Be smart, think about what you're willing to get yourself into, and weigh the consequences if you're wrong. Either way, the hunt for better parts is half the fun.
I built my first gaming PC in 1995. Since COVID, I have had way more prematurely failed and DOA new components than in the previous quarter century. QC has gone to sh*t. I trust buying used components from a reputable seller on eBay more than I trust new components at this point. 'Used' just means it has had an extended QC check, lol. I look at people buying cheap Ryzen tray CPUs off AliExpress and just shake my head. No warranty on those and you can pretty much guarantee that someone has already tested and sorted through them and picked out all but the mediocre ones. I bought my 5700X3D from Amazon for $200 rather than buying one on AliExpress for $140. I have a warranty and I also ended up with one that boosts to 4.2GHz all core, meaning it is basically a 5800x3D. When AMD decided to move up the 9800X3D launch so they could absolutely decimate intel's Core Ultra launch, they killed production of the 5800X3D and 7800X3D. So all the remaining 5800X3D binned silicon got dumped on the 5700X3D production line in the past couple of months and ended up as box CPUs that went to major retailers. I didn't pay $60 more for a 5700X3D, I got a 5800X3D for half price. It also means that, when they launch the 7700X3D in a few months, you'll have good odds in the silicon lottery of actually getting a 7800X3D when you buy one.
@@highlanderknightlots of us small independent IT shops sell used on eBay and we try to run 8-12 hour stress tests on all products. I actually sold about 10 ram sticks I thought were dying or need RMA’d. Buyer messaged me to inform me my test bench Mobo must not be 100% compatible even though on the website they claim they are, but personal reviews state otherwise. PC parts can just be like that every few years. I’m yet to see also one of these mysterious intel CPU crashes in person with my own eyes. So I’m curious as time goes on is it a end of line production issue, or certain batches.
I upgraded from a Ryzen 5 3600 to a 5700x3d I got off Ali express for 160usd. Got some new ram 32gb 3600 cl16 ram for 75usd and a sapphire pulse 7900xt for 580usd so I basically built a high fps 1440/ medium 4k fps system for 800usd. Getting an OLED 1440p monitor this Black Friday now with the savings. I budgeted 2000usd for my new pc build but I found my b450tomahawk board was more than good enough for now and instead upgraded my wife’s pc as well with a new power supply and a new pc 6750xt and those 2 together cost 350usd. I have 800 left to spend on my monitor and I am hoping to snag a good one for 500 on Black Friday. Now me and my wife get some amazing upgrades since she will get my old monitor. Replaced hardware was given to family and friends so they could build their own systems much cheaper.
The GOAT Intel cpu is the 12400/12400F. No stability issues and runs just fine with a modern gpu. And they are cheap new. As of 0300 on Nov 12th 2024 its $112. You can't beat that price.
I'd also say the 245k if it was a bit cheaper is also great. The 13400f/14400f also have no stability issues because those issues exist in chips that reach 160-180W, while they only reach 65W of power consumption worst case scenario, in games they are usually at 40-50W. Otherwise outside of brands, nothing beats a 7700 NON-X for 220-240$ and 7900 NON-X for 330-360$
I currently have a "fixed" motherboard CPU socket bent pins ordered on eBay where the 8K registered seller stated, "The CPU socket has a few lightly bent pins, but they were adjusted to the correct spots, and the motherboard has been tested and works well (please see pictures)." I might have avoided buying such a board but saw how Linus fixed multiple boards with that CPU issue on a recent post and I didn't want to do such fixing myself...understanding the process and reviewing the pins as you suggested gave me confidence in buying the MB for $75 less than new.
Jay I've been a long time sub and this is probably the only PC related channel i watch anymore! I say that because I don't mean to come off as a hater but what's up with the lack of content man? I've probably seen this topic discussed on your channel several times this year alone. Enough of these talking head videos and please bring back YOUR content! I'll be honest the most entertaining video during these months was you cleaning your daughters systems.
I picked up an MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 3090 in February of 2023 for $780 after all taxes and fees. It was on eBay and the seller was respected & accepts returns so I decided to take the plunge and I haven’t regretted it at all. Thank you for making entertaining content!
I love your test bench sitting next to you. Mine is just a cardboard box with a grated bookend to hold up the AIO cooler. The bookend is the secret sauce that prevents my AIO tumbling over unlike yours. Joking aside, running my hobo style set-up until I get my NCASE M2 delivered. Last status is "Arrival to the destination airport". I have no idea what airport or what country. I hope the hell it is not just endlessly looping around some luggage conveyor belt. I will say my cardboard hobo case has tremendous air flow.
good info Jay. Especially for the new person on a small budget, ( well not a new person, but a person new to building computers) Love your show 😁 Ronnie
For me, it was a great time to upgrade-literally. I had an Intel 6700 Non-K! I bought a fairly priced 9800X3D on launch day, but I'm still waiting for new graphics cards to see how they perform and also if the older ones get a price drop.
Here is a rule of thumb in building a PC. Don't buy USED motherboard, Don't Buy Used CPUS, Don't Buy Used Powersupply. Any other parts you can go used. Just don't cheap out on these three parts. Why? Because if any one of these failed, it leaves you without a functioning computer or it will cause a headache in order to replace. Especially the power supply. IF you have only the budget to get 1 new part, get a new power supply.
I like these component market talks. And helps me frame when I should look into upgrading. I bought a used GPU for the first time a year ago bc of talks like this and I felt informed and pleased with the deal I got. Interested in the upcoming Jawa video.
This is unrelated to the video content, but you're looking good Jay! The weight loss is very noticeable and I'm proud seeing your progress over the years watching your content!!!
Swapped a 7950X for a 9800X3D on an ASUS ROG X670E-Extreme board. Only problem is it doesn't score as high as the 7950X in AIDA64 but is very close and it sure runs a lot cooler.170W down to 120W really made a difference.
January is a good shout for sure when folk get their new stuff and want to pawn off the old, but for me, anytime really just as long as you do your homework and due diligence ...
I finally upgraded from ddr3 to ddr4 this year. Was able to keep using my powrsupply and storage. Everything else I bought used and the only thing that ended up not working was the mobo. Was able to get a solid 1080p build for less than $500 and that includes having to buy a new mobo. So definitely can be worth buying used just have to be careful.
My pc rig is 15 years old. I decided to go all out on a 2k budget. 9800x3d and 7900xtx. Yes it took me a loong time deciding between 4080 super and 7900xtx. But i couldn't justify a 4080 for $1000-1200 when 7900xtx is $850-900
9800x3D was all sold out on the day of release. I booked one (along with other parts) and got a message from the store today that I could come pick it up anytime from now and a week onwards. This was via Inet here in Sweden.
The only issue like with anything is people think they’re gonna get what they paid lol. I know my pc was about $850 new but worth about $450-$500 in the used market.
If youre going to buy something in person, there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing the purchase in a police department parking lot, or next to it. I usually just go in to the front desk and tell them I am meeting a stranger to make a large purchase and they are more than willing to keep an eye out. This may not be an option where you are, but if it is, take advantage of it.
I know not everyone likes eBay, but as someone who's bought and sold for over 20yrs on it - I enjoy the protections for both parties. It isn't perfect - nothing is, but selling a RTX 4070 in a rural community of 80k isn't easy.
I honestly envy you guys at the west with cheap used parts. Used item still sell for premium over the eastern part of the world, in fact people often just overvalue their stuff, still selling stuff for near MSRP, making it rather bad deal. If shipping isn't cost a bomb I'd really want to shop from you guys.
I like to spend many, many thousands building a new system every 4 to 6 years and just game on the thing until the wheels fall off it then give it to my kids. Rinse wash and repeat. My 14900K/4090 system is still treating me really well. My kids are gaming on my old 11th gen era systems. They needed desktops so I went ahead and upgraded my gaming and media rigs early this go round. I stayed with my 4690K Devils Canyon chip until 11th gen time before. Before that, ran an FX-9590. Just upgrading graphics cards here and there. If I was building a system today, I would get a 9800X3D and hold out for 50 series.
About a year and a half ago I bought a brand new I9 13900k from Best Buy for about $525 and have not regretted it. I also have not had a problem with mine. But it's interesting to see the price on this hasn't really changed.
Honestly I love that Jay has a good relationship with Falcon Northwest. They were always a great company with great PCs. I followed Jay for a long time and I was very happy when he started reviewing Falcon Northwest PCs.
First and foremost, great video, especially the tips to keep from getting scammed or robbed! Thanks for the good information. This latest intel launch has really pointed out to me how much of the tech media I watch is really skewed towards gamers and not most people that use a pc for office work. It's really hard to get info on performance at the low end computing. I don't know if you would be interested in doing a "General build" not geared towards gaming but to see if you can beat out the laptop cycle. I help out my Grandma and I really hate the laptop manufacturers having made them a pain to repair.
I drove 2 hours to a Best Buy and got a 4060 XLR8 PNY card for $313. Still uses an 8 pin connector and does what i need it to. Plus if I get some of my race car stuff sold, I can still get ahold of a 4080 or 4090 and put this 4060 into a different case and sell it, or keep it around as a spare card or startup card for systems I am trying to diagnose...
Bought 2 used RX 7900XTX's one was a Hellhound and the other (and my now current GPU) a Red Devil which even came with the original box and accessories at no extra cost. They were both mint condition and worked flawlessly. Although the Hellhound I got was an absolute dog, in that I lost the silicone lottery big time, it could barely handle any kind of Under volt, had insane coil whine and wouldn't even take +50Mhz on the VRAM without crashing. So I returned it and got the Red Devil which was wayyyy better in terms of OC and UV'ing and runs cool and quiet. I got them both from CEX (UK version of Gamestop) and they both come with 2 years warranty). Good too that it's an actual store so you can go in and physically inspect the stuff you're going to buy I also buy most of my SSD's used which everyone frowns upon but I've never had any issues and use them as my game drives all the time.
I bought a 10th-11th gen Mobo for 20 bucks MSRP about 200 bucks and intel 10th gen I9 for half of what it costs brand new. I fixed the mobo, it had bent pins and everything works as it should. I just did this because my previous system was slightly bottlenecked by my 3060 and I wanted access to PCI gen 4
I bought a used AMD 7600 on Amazon, marked as like new with no box. I got it and installed it and ran some stress tests. It ran thru the tests fine, but after a few days, I now get blocks of my screen that will start to flicker and when watching video, no matter the app or browser, the video will freeze and audio keeps on trucking along. I takes Ctrl+Alt+Del and end task of whatever app I am using to exit out. I called Amazon and they gave me a refund of what I paid and let me keep the card till the new one I intend to by shows up. I figured since they gave me a full refund as credit I intended to go to a 7700XT. They agreed. I now have a perfectly running PC with a 7700XT and returned my 7600. I think it would get random GDDR errors.
I was surprised at how high the prices still are on the 3090. After my old 1080ti died I got a 3090 from ebay over a year ago for about $700, and it was a pretty decent Gigabyte one too. I guess the prices have not really come down at all in the last 18 months.
Currently using a used Ryzen 3600X I bought for £50 and a new RTX 4070 Super, it's NOICE. I might consider buying used parts in future if pushed to it.
450 to pay for a 7800x3d is a pretty good price. We had a similar price in Estonia, but more precisely 470 euros. Now that the 9800x3d started to arrive, its price went up to 543 euros
Picked up an aorus x670 mobo with a 7800x3d, 32gb of trident 6000mt ddr5 cl 36 and a 240mm Kraken AIO for 500 just now. He upgraded to a 9800x3d. Solid deal
350 used is not a dip. I got mine new for 250 in a bundle deal at microcenter here in Cincinnati less then 3 months ago. If you choose your own MB and RAM with a CPU at microcenter you still get the bundle deal price usually and don't have to get their pre-made bundle. Do it on their website before going to pick up to check prices when you BYO combo. I can show the receipt if yall want to see it.
For 13th/14th gen CPUs, If you get it with the box and the serial/batch numbers are clearly visible, you can easily get a warrenty replacement within 5 days through intel support without providing a bill/invoice. Thats what I did to my 13900ks when I bought it used for 400$ before all the failures happened.
@@scarletspidernz At this point only time will tell. I've only used my current cpu on 0x129 and the newer 0x12B microcode and I have 0 issues at the current time. I would still recommend people to stick with AMD "IF" they can get the motherboard cheap enough. (I got my Asrock Z690 Aqua Motherboard new for $300 which was ~$200 cheaper than any x670e motherboard)
@@timmypowers5926 Do you have a source to this info? only issues I have read about were on burning 7000x3d launch which was a motherboard issue and was fixed within a month. Other than that, they seem solid as a rock.
I just built a mostly used system from last gen Ryzen 5000. Got the Gundam Zaku 2 Asus case and motherboard matching for 300 used, and then picked up an asus tough RX6800xt for $300 used. I then bought a Ryzen 7 5700x3D on sale for $150 and spent the rest on ram and storage. Was about $1000 CAD build and it plays 4K without ray tracing just fine above 100FPS. the 16GB of vram really helps that compared to an nvidia card. Total specs are Ryzen 5700X3d 32GB Corsair 3600MHZ ram Asus tough RX 6800XT B550 Zaku Motherboard 1TB Gen 4 Western Digital Black. 850Watt Corsair PSU that came with the case. I did not include a windows license in cost as I installed Linux as its superior for what I do with my machines and gaming is similar experience to windows now.
the 6800xt is a great Non raytracing card, I loved mine. that being said, the problem is the 6800xt's memory bus doesnt hold up nearly as well at 4k as it does at 1080 or 1440. The 6800xt's memory bus keeps it held back (the infinity cache on the gpu is there as a bandaid for that 256bit memory bus) so the 16gb memory is actually less useful at 4k. the card becomes bandwidth limited. (overclock the memory, you'll get more performance) You Did really good, $1000 canadian, for a gaming pc at that powerlevel is sweet. I built about the same system for $730 us. (All used also, except the ram, case and psu)
@@Dj-Mccullough I have an rtx 3090 system on linux as well with a AMD 5950x actually and I find they perform almost identical except for ray-tracing and more productivity focused things like blender. Whatever the bandwidth limit is going on with the 6800xt its not noticeable at 4K for gaming at all as usually frame rates are between 10 to 20 FPS out on non ray traced games between the two. The 6800xt system is used for gaming the most, and the occasional fire up and work in blender or other video editing software. The 3090 system is usually doing CAD and 3D printing designs through blender. Also the odd simulation in blender with physics, and usually its the system I test games on first when a new fancy looking one comes out. That way I can enable ray tracing, and up scaling to see how it looks, and then turn it off immediately.
@@jimdob6528 Nice! A 7900xt would not fit in the zaku 2 case with an AIO besides lmao. The 6800xt in mine is actually pressed up against the radiator on my AIO and its friction fit so no sag bracket etc needed lmao.
Used parts are 100% worth it. Ive built several rigs with them including my own which has a used rog strix x670e-a from ebay, a used rog strix 4090 and ive yet to have any issue with any of my builds. Put together my dads rig with a used 5600 from ebay, and a used evga 3080 from marketplace. You get some of the best deals from marketplace, im always looking for good deals on used parts
6:25 This is not 'always' true. It might be true for less experienced users, but there are many ways to get around it if you know how. The easiest way is if the paste has been spread before mounting the cooler and has 100% coverage. It is nearly impossible to notice any discoloration. You're also less likely to have paste flow out onto the pcb and into any smd's that are impossible to clean.
To anyone currently looking at parts, please check prices from up to a year ago. All my high end parts are more expensive now than when I built my PC. Dont overspend unnecessarily.
Not every town but some police stations have parking spots with cameras pointed at the for online marketplaces to keep everyone honest. I have only done these sales and trades at police stations parking lots.
Seems like even the second-hand prices of some types of gaming components are getting ridiculous. The small saving does not counter the risk and lack of a new item warranty. Yep, there are so-called bargains out there but they carry a lot of risk and questionable recourse. One item comes to mind-the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, secondhand, can cost as much as a brand new AMD Ryzen 7 7700X, Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX v2, or G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB DDR5-6000 Kit. The 5800X3D may be faster in some games, but you are basically at a dead end. The move to AM5, even at this level, for the same money, gives you the ability to keep upgrading little by little for at least a few years, all the way up to a Ryzen 9 9950X.
Yep. I have done hundreds of transactions buying and selling, online. I'll offer F&F or tell them to add for PayPal fees unless they just agree to my up front price. Up to them. Most of the time they opt to pay fees, which is smart.
Trouble with that is that it's hard to test if you don't bring an entire setup with you or have them show you the part working in the PC when your there. If it doesn't work when you bring it home then your kinda screwed
My Ryzen 9 3900x cpu is more than enough for my gaming + streaming bit and my 6700xt is more than fine for me at 1440p gaming. I am glad that I got what I did because it'll keep me happy for awhile.
The 5800X3D is often selling for more than the 7000 series on Ebay. I should have bought a dozen of them when Amazon had them on sale for $259. Now they're gone and worth almost as much as gold to some sellers it seems. Open box and used ones are selling for around $340. New ones close to $450. Crazy!
I cannot thank you enough for telling people to NOT buy used Raptor lake. I've stopped watching another big channel in the tech space, in part, because in a video, they advised someone who was worried about their possible CPU problems to just sell it. Thank you for at least seeming to give a crap. Really, thank you.
I do agree with what you said Jay but I do have one question if what has been said is true about starting next year 60 to 100% tariff taxes added to products that are imported into the country what's that going to do for computer part prices. Or is that just something we shouldn't be concerned about or just shop to used market for a while. Love all your videos keep up all the good work tell the guys hi for me and have a good day.
I think Arrow lake needs a chance for optimization. People have done some weird things to it that give it 50 fps. It definitely benefits from good memory. I'm considering it because I don't want to try and get a 9800X3D before the tariffs drop.
I trade with people with only cash. There would be solid demand for Ultra 200 series you can buy Z890 MB with Thunderbolt port starting on like 200USD. IO is great on that platform, productivity is great if you dont care about gaming they are good. If they would drop like 100USD on each tier I would be tempted to buy.
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I got a busted used 4080 for 400$ and then figured out how to get it to work. Runs great just don't breathe the wrong way around it. Do I have a reason to talk about this no, do I want to yes.
What model did you buy and how you fix it, that’s a great deal
Please give more information. "Breathing wrong" I'm hoping is somehow literally because that would be quite silly
how did you get it to work?
@@coryo617 huk-tuah!
Tell us more!
Best tip is don’t upgrade unless you have to. You don’t need the very latest, get the performance you want and stick with it until your pc can’t meet your demands.
i prefer to get something that i wont need to replace anything for 10 years. so, i want 3060 12gb and am saving up, got a 12400f, and ddr4 ram is doing fine - those should do me for years because i seen ppl running 9th gen cpu intel and still looks good and high FPS. 10 years is a lot of time to save for the next decade perhaps more with cpu, ram and mb and gpu (unless amd succeeds with apu that genuinely do away with separate gpu chip for gaming and not just on laptops).
@@Phil-q7h exactly... I'm running a 7700k and a 1080 and can play cyberpunk not a problem so yeah you don't need a current gen pc to play the most demanding games
I’m on a 4790K and 1080 Ti at 1440p, getting average 80-120 fps in all games I play
Yeah, that's what I did ... And my old PC is my new server too, so nothing is wasted (take that Apple)
My demands are 8k 144hz but they haven't released it and my 4090 isn't enough, I need a 5090
I have a buddy that is a more budget gamer. I upgrade every GPU generation and every other CPU generation. He just got my 6900xt paired with a 5800x3d and some ram. What I do is sell to him about 10 to 15 percent less than the average asking price. He always has a very decent gaming rig, pays significantly less that new an less than from ebay. Plus he is my best friend so he doesn't have to worry about being ripped off. When I sell him the new stuff, he gives me the older stuff back. I never ask him to do that, he just doesn't want to keep it or try and sell it. So my daughter always gets a bit of an upgrade too. It works out well because then it isn't so expensive for me to upgrade constantly.
Gotta love a mutually beneficial parts trade like that. Trying to get my friend to make the PC jump and I’m doing the same haha.
Actually that is insanely great.
Thats funny as hell , i do the same with my best friend, but i generally dont bother charging him, I give him my immediate older parts, and then he gives me back the parts i had given him previously. My wife doesnt game, so the 3rd hand parts coming back go to her. she's a writer, running a 1700x , 16gb ram and a gtx 1060 (but that gpu is even enough to give her system local ai)
@Dj-Mccullough I have felt bad before but the rest of the story is this...I built his first PC years ago with some left over parts and gave it to him for free. He is a really good dude and is always there when you need him so I did it to help him out. Ever since then he insists on giving me the old stuff back and paying me for the parts because I was willing to build him a PC for free. I feel bad sometimes but he genuinely wants to do it and gets upset if I don't let him. So I show him respect and keep it the way we do it now.
I have been doing this with a good friend of mine for a while in the end we both save a bit and both have good rigs.
When you’re meeting in person to exchange goods, always have a sniper in a higher position overlooking the sale and solid radio communication… and have a trigger word….lol
Got Strix 3080Ti OC for 299 today with 1 year warranty left
Steal for that money
Considering I spent 1,299 for my original evga 3080ti years back, yes, you indeed struck gold.
I miss the 3080ti!
I got 2 of them a couple weeks ago for my kids PC's at $300 as well. People are starting to sell off their stuff I also got 2 7800X3D's one was never opened and the other one looked new but open both work great same guy he gave him to me for $280 each I didn't ask why he was selling them so cheap either . So those will be xmas gifts for my nephews I have the parts to build them a decent right I have some 3080's as well those I got for $225. People just selling their stuff off but I went local.
@@marioStortugawhat platform did you use😂
What platform did you use😊
I’m trying to sell a 2070 super I found in a storage unit. I cleaned it and it runs great but if ppl are buying 3080ti s for 299 sheshhhh imma have to sell it for like 150 or 160
Remember: Despite what Jay may think you can in fact get a FULL refund if the item you purchase on eBay is faulty. Just make sure you read the listing carefully because it doesn't cover stated defects.
P.S. DO NOT EVER RMA a faulty product within its return window regardless of platform or new/used. ALWAYS return it.
Mostly agree with rwtrining during return windows rather than RMA...aka exchange/repair
Need/use case and platform lock being the exceptions
Rare to have COVID like supply issues abound, but was definitely better to have vehicle fixed and take a loaner than to return vehicle and not be able to buy a replacement for 8+months.
Similar would be having a GPU or not during the GPU shortage (when RMA would get you a replacement and returning it would leave you unable to purchase a like-for-like)
If motherboard platform isn't in the same return window as CPU ...you end-up committed or just taking a loss especially if it was OG HEDT Threadripper.
Returns are much faster as well. I've had to RMA items that were sold as working on local markets, but were not (luckily still in RMA period). It did work fine, but it took weeks. Still using that board today
Yeah it almost never matters what the listing says about no refunds, if it's broken and not mentioned Ebay got you covered.
Had an AOC monitor that I'd RMA'd in the return window. . . yeah, nightmare. You can't return a replacement to the place you bought it from - if you're lucky (as I was), you can get the original back from the manufacturer to return and get your money back... if not, you're screwed.
@@xXDeltaXxwhotookit Had a friend stupidly do the same thing (kinda) with Asus with dead pixels. They kept sending him "refurbs" with even more defective pixels than his original. He eventually got one that wasn't a cluster of pixils and called it good but yea... should have probably checked that during the return window and returned it.
I've checked all my monitors the day I get them because of this. Most I've had was a single dead subpixel on an open box model so I didn't bother.
21:41 I only meet up at PD parking lots to sell used goods. I've had a few people over the years question it and change their mind about the sale. Way I see it, someone else won't have an issue, and I'm more comfortable.
my only issue with buying second hand is that I've been stung every time I've done it, seems people I find only sell literally broken or dying things as "excellent condition" only for it to die on me a month or two later, so I just don't buy used anymore, not worth the hassle of going through the returns/warranty stuff constantly
Cash is also an option Jay. Last part I sold was an RX 580 to a kid that was like 14 maybe and his mom was with him. In certain contexts,cash is just fine.
Thank you for defending cash it won't be long before the companies that skim off the top of every transaction win and cash is phased out.
Maybe it's the market, but in my area cash is preferred, at least for ag things like animals and hay
Heck, nobody blinks if you pull out $100 bills to pay at stores.
@@xcgates I prefer $50s, but yeah C notes are the new 20. Thank Nixon for destroying the US dollar.
(I'm old enough to remember $1000 and $500 bills. They should really make new $500 and $2k notes. The stacks of 100s for a beater used car is annoying.)
Problem with cash is that you don't have proof either, so if somehow you get ripped off, you also lost the money, it's no different than what he said about "friends and family" transaction on paypal, sure, you at least can see the item in person, but it could be something wrong with it that is not clearly visible or whatever, if you're going to buy used, in my opinion, it's your work to cover your ass, and paying cash is the perfect way to not cover it properly.
I work in a primary school, I've paid a lot of attention to launches and bought second hand for all the computers in the school, over the last couple of years it's saved thousands in the budget.
You're doing the lords work, sir.
Yes, that is thing most people are wasting money by buying newest of whatever when they buy. I can only imagine how buying items for several computers that the school may have can be pain.
As a computer shop tech, average 5 to 10 customers per week and manage businesses/schools
Wr end up with so many scrapware that at the end of the year, as in rn we are building 20+ laptops to gift to underprivledged schools in other countries
Here in aus we say the computers are too slow and need to be upgraded but some places dont even have any pc's!! This is where it almost doesnt matter how old it is - if it is 10/15yrs old it geberally speaking is good enough for browsing and watching movies which is perfect for many
and I'll bet they work just as well for your applications as the "latest and greatest" tech, right?
Jay you say that buying used 13 and 14th gen is not good right now. I think its more correct to say it not good to buy those parts used ever, since the problem is baked in and cannot be eliminated as well as most people willing to sell used busted parts and then play dumb or disappearing.
It’s not a problem exclusive to 13/14th gen. It’s just more obvious on those since it’s more likely to happen. Any cpu can be overvolted and degraded
@@XFXGXthat is just not true. Sure you have to take the risk when you buy any hardware used. But as long as you do your research on the seller and all that good stuff, chances are you will end up with a working hardware most of the time.
@@neoand3rson I mean 13/14th gen CPU’s that are degraded from overvolting also “work” but they can crash sooner or later. It’s less likely to happen with a different cpu but there’s still overclockers that push them over the max and then sell them off
I have been purchasing used PC tech off E-Bay for over 20 years and have only ever received one dead component. It was an Asus Z170 mobo with bent pins in the socket. Contacted the seller, had a refund before I shipped the board back to the seller. If a deal seems too good to be true it probably is.
@@XFXGX It's not just more likely to happen, it's much more likely. I had an 4790k that I had under custom water and overclocked to the max, ran it like that for years until water shorted everything out. 13th/14th gen even before you overclock it can break easily depending on the stock bios settings and how long it's been ran for. Most hardware can cope resonably well running at max for long periods of time.
And here I am, I can't bear to part with old PCs or PC hardware. Still have them in various rooms of my house and still have my two 8800 GTXs in a box after I replaced them in a PC.
Real technorati's fall in love with their hardware!!❤😂😂
I have that problem too.. always saying...I'm gonna sell my old stuff when I have the new toys.. then when I actually have the upgrades done ... I'm just sitting with my old stuff... well..maybe...neh ill just keep it "just in case"
Got 3 am4 processors in spare "just in case" xD
I hear yhea, still got all me PCs from the past 30 years
i still have my 1st pc a spectrum 48k.
Well the 8800 series was epic. I still have my 8800GT in working condition. It will always be in my personal hall of fame.
I have a friend who upgrades every chance he gets, also has his hands on a lot of surplus that they just give him, and he gives me his old stuff!
You've got a good friend!! Frfr..
Is your friend jayyyy
that's a legit solid friend.
i gave my friend a 10600k, z490 msi mobo, 16gb 3600, 650w psu, my old case and 1660 super when i upgraded to 12700k/6900xt but the ungrateful sh!t did nothing but complain how 'cappy' the pc was because he couldnt understand it shouldnt try to play games at max graphics :-/ fyi we are no longer friends
@@mindurbusiness-b3u Yeah that sucks, had a friend that did a similar thing, fortunately it cost much less than that though. Just be bloody greatful that you getting something for free/ way under budget
I personally only like doing cash transactions when I’m selling in person. Mainly because there’s no disputing.
One recommendation. More and more police stations have an area for these transactions. The really good ones monitor it with a camera. Meet up with someone there. Its where I got my 3090FE back in 2021 from. But the biggest tip? If your spidy sense is tingling. Walk away from the offer. I did when they originally said I had to pay upfront before we couple open the box to verify the card. Noped out. That person eventually came back and I agreed on me giving them $200 in cash. Opened the box to inspect the product. And then I would paypal the rest.
Generally I haven't had any trouble with used parts, but it only takes one bad experience with say a GPU or CPU to torpedo any net savings you may have accumulated buying used parts. I bought an RTX 4080 used on eBay. Received it, worked fine, put it in a build for a friend and it failed after 4 months. Sending it to Gigabyte hoping to get a warranty repair or replacement, the warranty was voided due to "corrosion" caused likely by liquid damage. The corrosion is, at least now, visible through one of the cutouts in the backplate. I doubt it was particularly evident when I bought the GPU. I know, am absolutely certain, it didn't happen when the card was in my possession or in the possession of the person to whom I sold the PC. I suspect the damage was already there and finally progressed to the point it caused the failure. I also suspect the seller knew there might be a problem and sold the GPU. Since it worked when I received it, there's no remedy at this point. I'm out the money I paid for it. Even if I can get it repaired, I will still lose at least half of what I paid for it. Doesn't take buy one or two experiences like that and you eat up any and all of the savings or profit you might have garnered from buying used parts.
When I buy a used GPU, I have a very stringent validation process, which includes opening it up for inspection and TIM replacement and stress testing it to hell and back.
I've bought many used GPUs from eBay over the years and only ever had one issue. It was an R9 290X and the cooler fins were stuffed full of carpet lint and cat hair. There was no saving it; even after cleaning it up, it stuttered in games because the damage was already done. I don't think the seller was trying to pull a fast one. It was the middle of the parts shortage and everyone was digging old components out of their closet. It had likely been a couple years since the seller even used it and more than likely the games they were playing at that time didn't fully stress the GPU so the degradation went unnoticed. I got a full refund. I eventually gave it away to a kid who bought an R7 370 from me, telling him that it wouldn't run at stock settings but it might work fine if he underclocked it.
When you say it 'worked fine' there likely already would have been signs of trouble if you had thoroughly stress tested and benchmark tested the card. With something that new and that expensive, I probably would have done about a 2 week stress test on it. As a former miner, I know that good hardware isn't going to have an issue with that but a GPU that is just starting to show signs of failure is going to tap out.
If your GPU failed due to corrosion after 4 months of using it, the signs would have already been there. The problem is you lacked the knowledge to properly test and inspect the GPU. Buying used, when I have a 30 day money back guarantee, isn't much of a risk for me because I've been building gaming PCs since 1995.
My local Micro Center has had 25+ 9800X3Ds in stock since launch. Gotta love living next to a Micro Center.
5 mins away from one 😏
my closest one is an hour and 15 mins away 💔
Consumers might nog be buying arrowlake but companies love them.
They are fast enough for office tasks and they are efficient.
When you have 100's of desktops running in a company efficiency is a nicer thing than a high 3DMark score.
They aren't efficient, which is why AMD now leads intel in both consumer and enterprise sales. You need to pay closer attention. intel got caught hiding power draw and the 285K draws about 60W more than they claim. Even if their claimed power consumption were accurate, they would still be inefficient CPUs because of the power draw. Performance per watt is like double that of AMD. And enterprise cares about that. They can always roll out more AMD CPUs, which are cheaper to begin with, to compensate for slightly lower per chip performance.
The only people buying Arrow Lake are diehard intel fanboys, people with more money than brains who just buy the latest thing and people who read UserBenchmark and pretend it is valid information, when it is really just run by an intel fanboy troll who doesn't really get how PCs work.
Steve Burke wouldn't wipe his butt with a 285K and he's the most credible source of info on all of YT because he does testing using actual scientific methodology and GN doesn't do sponsored testing. GN literally won't take free CPUs (or other components) from manufacturers, on principle, to avoid the possibility of cherry picking.
You're literally the exact type of consumer Jay is calling out as ignorant in this video, lol.
"That guys on crack" absolutely took me out. Was not expecting that 😂
I've bought used pc hardware my entire life. People gotta be extra stupid to get scammed. I've never had a bad experience
Witness, the scammer, lulling their pray into a false sense of security
I mean, I just scored an Aorus 3070TI that's got a fancy little LCD screen on it for only $250, barely used and looks brand new. I can finally game with everything on ultra and get super high frame rates. Makes a fella feel kinda good lol.
Yes but that’s over 4 years old. Almost 5. And 2 steps down on the “performance rung”
Stuff like that, sure you can get a good deal. And there will ALWAYS be good deals to find on marketplace for people who need quick cash. You just have to be lucky enough to find them.
I got a 4070ti super a few months ago for 400$. Replaced my 4070ti with it and sold my 4070ti for 550$
Lol, some people dont understand the value. Like even 500 would have been a great deal
250 is good for that card great gamer
@@ct2651 some people need cash fast. If you’re living paycheck to paycheck and you need quick cash, sometimes you do what you gotta do
@HOBOTw1tcH paid over a $1000 for the 3070ti when it was new. I game 2 hours a week maybe.
My card is now 2,5 years old, and has maybe 150 hours of run time on it. To sell it now for $250, because that is what they are worth would be a big loss for me, and still the buyer would get a great GPU.
Still sticking with my 12600KF. I know the x3d CPUs are better, but I have no complaints with the performance 12th gen is giving me in the games I play.
It certainly is, if you are value buyer not number chaser.
Still huh, I've upgraded to a 12600KF like a half year ago from a 12100F and this will be my daily driver for years to come.
Its plenty enough for my needs and with my 3060 Ti I'm pretty much GPU bound in every new-more demanding game anyway and I'm not upgrading my GPU anytime soon either since I can't afford that even if I wanted to.😅
Btw both of my 12600KF and my 3060 TI is second hand, I did not buy a brand new GPU since 2015 and so far I'm yet to have any issues with my second hand hardware but I always make sure to only buy from ppl with a solid background on my go to second hand forum/site in my country or if possible meet up in person.
Wait for ZEN 6 and then MAYBE jump to an high-tier CPU.
If you ever care about your CPU performance more than graphical fidelity lol
Which is fair.
I mean my 5700x3d is amazing and only cost me 160 to get but I used aliexpress AND was already on the AM4 platform so it was a straight upgrade for me.
PayPal is not a good way to pay from a seller's perspective. No seller ever wants to accept PayPal because of the amount of scams pulled by buyers.
It's tricky because both parties want to be secure. As a buyer theres so many scams out there now especially on facebook etc.
I don’t know why youtube decided to stop showing me your vid uploads on my feed. I’m subbed and have notifications on for all. Gotta catch up to the back log 👍🏼
Here in the UK we have a company called CEX it's a buy and sell from phones, pc parts, dvd's, cd's, console games, laptops and so on but one thing about these they give you a 24 month warranty on electrical
It's now 5 years warranty.
@@lightwoven5326 did't know that thank you
If you are patient enough Cash converters is worth a look to. They never have as much stock as CEX but you don't get the 20% CEX mark up on prices either. Talk to the guys in the shops as well and alot of them are more techy than the gamers in the counter at CEX so the stock is generally better graded. Only a 1 year warranty but you can also haggle on the price a bit specially if you buy multiple items
@@Drunken_Horse Thanks for the info
It was my go to when living in England. I remember I've got a piar of fast DDR4 for significantly under market value and decently priced AMD gpu's
Another problem that American buyers are facing is the possibility that if we don't act now, then any possible tariffs will lead to a significant price increase. So it feels like there is no wait till 2025 option, and you should act now to get what you can. I myself am on the fence about getting two new GPUs and a CPU this month for black friday when they might be at their lowest. I feel that if I didnt have to worry about any tariffs then i would wait till 2025 for prices to lower for the items i want to buy.
This. I import a lot from China. Repair components like capacitors not available domestically, bulk fans, cables, whatever. Tariffs are a huge concern. Some of the stuff I use will simply be out of the question if tariffs came in. Instead of recapping or some other repair, it will be just junk the device. Currently working on a laserdisc player and audio tape deck. Both need parts from China. Can't buy new players. Can't get domestic US parts. It almost makes no sense to repair at all, given how old they are. Doubling parts cost means landfill for both devices.
@@LatitudeSky recycling centre. salvage components...
@@LatitudeSky stop dramatizing so much wtf, any country has active tariffs stop listening to the scum media that try to scare you off, 2016-2020 was great nobody complained and it was the same policies, GPUs used to cost at max 1000$, now look what happened in just 4 years, 5090 possible costing 2500$? on what planet are you people living? Parts will become way cheaper with the new administration or at least there won't be anything crazy happening, Xi already called trump and he practically just admited that he's scared by the tariffs, china does business with the dollar, let them dare the trump admin to just cut them off completely, THEY WILL DIE OUT and US can happily manufacture at HOME.
For real though how did he not even mention Tariffs
I assume this script was made BEFORE Trump was announced as President to the shock of the nation. Even Trump expected to lose TBF
I've been buying used hardware for the last 15 years and have had minimal issues and have save a ton of money.
Some parts I will buy new but if you buy good quality parts then you can't go too wrong
The only thing I wouldn't ever buy used is RAM, SSDs or power supplies.
@@TurboLoveTrain me too!!
@@TurboLoveTrain Ram can be ok depending on the brand and speed tbh. Definitely 1 of those parts you gotta do your homework on first before buying it. Same thing with power supplies. I'd trust a 5 y/o EVGA power supply WAY before I trust some brand new power supply from some brand I've never heard of. Lol
@@BigDrewski1000
If you're building an older system RAM is usually cheap... Especially if you're a generation behind the current generation.
A power supply is something I never skimp on and never buy a generic version of. A good power supply should easily last a decade. I almost always massively under load my power supplies and never run a system without a line conditioning UPS.
@@TurboLoveTrain that's why I get the platinum power supplies with 10 years warranty 👌 never ever skimp on your power
I have both 7900X3D & 7800X3D chips currently sitting in brand new 4070 & 4070 Ti Super builds up on our website, FB MP & offer up. Great vid Jay & Team!
I sometimes scroll through ebay to see if I can get a deal. Heard of two people now who got an extreme deal on a gpu because the GPU I/O shield was bent. I found a 3080 for $200. Dude had said that it had issues with intermittently displaying an image, finally not displaying an image at all. He insisted it was dead. I ordered it, removed the waterblock, cleaned up far more thermal paste from random areas of the pcb than I should have ever found, put an air cooler on it, and it now works. The clear plastic part of the waterblock was fractured all to hell on the inside. I figure the guy had a dead pump or something and the heat from the gpu fractured the plexi or whatever it is. Dead pump and resulting overheating would also be an explanation for the intermittent image problems. It all depends on how the gpu protects itself. Sometimes, you can just get great deals. Sometimes you don't. Be smart, think about what you're willing to get yourself into, and weigh the consequences if you're wrong. Either way, the hunt for better parts is half the fun.
4:02 they have been reading User Benchmark
Arrow Lake seems to be very good for production-oriented machines. That's why someone would buy it.
Yes, but the prices are too high. The 245k should be 250$, the 265k should be 330$ the 285k should be 450$
These days i can't even trust new parts from a "reliable" seller or manufacturer. Makes buying used a real stretch of my faith in humanity.
I know buying used works for many people, but I just know I'd be one of the exceptions.
I built my first gaming PC in 1995. Since COVID, I have had way more prematurely failed and DOA new components than in the previous quarter century. QC has gone to sh*t. I trust buying used components from a reputable seller on eBay more than I trust new components at this point. 'Used' just means it has had an extended QC check, lol.
I look at people buying cheap Ryzen tray CPUs off AliExpress and just shake my head. No warranty on those and you can pretty much guarantee that someone has already tested and sorted through them and picked out all but the mediocre ones.
I bought my 5700X3D from Amazon for $200 rather than buying one on AliExpress for $140. I have a warranty and I also ended up with one that boosts to 4.2GHz all core, meaning it is basically a 5800x3D. When AMD decided to move up the 9800X3D launch so they could absolutely decimate intel's Core Ultra launch, they killed production of the 5800X3D and 7800X3D. So all the remaining 5800X3D binned silicon got dumped on the 5700X3D production line in the past couple of months and ended up as box CPUs that went to major retailers.
I didn't pay $60 more for a 5700X3D, I got a 5800X3D for half price.
It also means that, when they launch the 7700X3D in a few months, you'll have good odds in the silicon lottery of actually getting a 7800X3D when you buy one.
@@highlanderknightlots of us small independent IT shops sell used on eBay and we try to run 8-12 hour stress tests on all products.
I actually sold about 10 ram sticks I thought were dying or need RMA’d. Buyer messaged me to inform me my test bench Mobo must not be 100% compatible even though on the website they claim they are, but personal reviews state otherwise. PC parts can just be like that every few years.
I’m yet to see also one of these mysterious intel CPU crashes in person with my own eyes. So I’m curious as time goes on is it a end of line production issue, or certain batches.
I upgraded from a Ryzen 5 3600 to a 5700x3d I got off Ali express for 160usd. Got some new ram 32gb 3600 cl16 ram for 75usd and a sapphire pulse 7900xt for 580usd so I basically built a high fps 1440/ medium 4k fps system for 800usd. Getting an OLED 1440p monitor this Black Friday now with the savings. I budgeted 2000usd for my new pc build but I found my b450tomahawk board was more than good enough for now and instead upgraded my wife’s pc as well with a new power supply and a new pc 6750xt and those 2 together cost 350usd. I have 800 left to spend on my monitor and I am hoping to snag a good one for 500 on Black Friday. Now me and my wife get some amazing upgrades since she will get my old monitor. Replaced hardware was given to family and friends so they could build their own systems much cheaper.
The GOAT Intel cpu is the 12400/12400F. No stability issues and runs just fine with a modern gpu. And they are cheap new. As of 0300 on Nov 12th 2024 its $112. You can't beat that price.
I'd also say the 245k if it was a bit cheaper is also great. The 13400f/14400f also have no stability issues because those issues exist in chips that reach 160-180W, while they only reach 65W of power consumption worst case scenario, in games they are usually at 40-50W.
Otherwise outside of brands, nothing beats a 7700 NON-X for 220-240$ and 7900 NON-X for 330-360$
I'm sorry but Arrow lake isn't selling well. at all.
I currently have a "fixed" motherboard CPU socket bent pins ordered on eBay where the 8K registered seller stated, "The CPU socket has a few lightly bent pins, but they were adjusted to the correct spots, and the motherboard has been tested and works well (please see pictures)." I might have avoided buying such a board but saw how Linus fixed multiple boards with that CPU issue on a recent post and I didn't want to do such fixing myself...understanding the process and reviewing the pins as you suggested gave me confidence in buying the MB for $75 less than new.
Jay I've been a long time sub and this is probably the only PC related channel i watch anymore! I say that because I don't mean to come off as a hater but what's up with the lack of content man? I've probably seen this topic discussed on your channel several times this year alone. Enough of these talking head videos and please bring back YOUR content!
I'll be honest the most entertaining video during these months was you cleaning your daughters systems.
I picked up an MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 3090 in February of 2023 for $780 after all taxes and fees. It was on eBay and the seller was respected & accepts returns so I decided to take the plunge and I haven’t regretted it at all. Thank you for making entertaining content!
I love your test bench sitting next to you. Mine is just a cardboard box with a grated bookend to hold up the AIO cooler. The bookend is the secret sauce that prevents my AIO tumbling over unlike yours. Joking aside, running my hobo style set-up until I get my NCASE M2 delivered. Last status is "Arrival to the destination airport". I have no idea what airport or what country. I hope the hell it is not just endlessly looping around some luggage conveyor belt. I will say my cardboard hobo case has tremendous air flow.
it seems that i bought my 7800x3d at the perfect timing. mine was -100€ below msrp before the price increased again and sold by an official store :D
I sold my 13900KS for $300 after a successful RMA. It was a brand new chip straight from intel. After that debacle I moved back to AMD.
good info Jay. Especially for the new person on a small budget, ( well not a new person, but a person new to building computers) Love your show 😁
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For me, it was a great time to upgrade-literally. I had an Intel 6700 Non-K! I bought a fairly priced 9800X3D on launch day, but I'm still waiting for new graphics cards to see how they perform and also if the older ones get a price drop.
Here is a rule of thumb in building a PC. Don't buy USED motherboard, Don't Buy Used CPUS, Don't Buy Used Powersupply. Any other parts you can go used. Just don't cheap out on these three parts. Why? Because if any one of these failed, it leaves you without a functioning computer or it will cause a headache in order to replace. Especially the power supply. IF you have only the budget to get 1 new part, get a new power supply.
I like these component market talks. And helps me frame when I should look into upgrading.
I bought a used GPU for the first time a year ago bc of talks like this and I felt informed and pleased with the deal I got.
Interested in the upcoming Jawa video.
This is unrelated to the video content, but you're looking good Jay! The weight loss is very noticeable and I'm proud seeing your progress over the years watching your content!!!
Swapped a 7950X for a 9800X3D on an ASUS ROG X670E-Extreme board. Only problem is it doesn't score as high as the 7950X in AIDA64 but is very close and it sure runs a lot cooler.170W down to 120W really made a difference.
You are a LEGEND Jay, you've just answered a bunch of my questions without hearing them out from me !! Lol
January is a good shout for sure when folk get their new stuff and want to pawn off the old, but for me, anytime really just as long as you do your homework and due diligence ...
I finally upgraded from ddr3 to ddr4 this year. Was able to keep using my powrsupply and storage. Everything else I bought used and the only thing that ended up not working was the mobo. Was able to get a solid 1080p build for less than $500 and that includes having to buy a new mobo. So definitely can be worth buying used just have to be careful.
My pc rig is 15 years old. I decided to go all out on a 2k budget. 9800x3d and 7900xtx. Yes it took me a loong time deciding between 4080 super and 7900xtx. But i couldn't justify a 4080 for $1000-1200 when 7900xtx is $850-900
9800x3D was all sold out on the day of release. I booked one (along with other parts) and got a message from the store today that I could come pick it up anytime from now and a week onwards. This was via Inet here in Sweden.
The only issue like with anything is people think they’re gonna get what they paid lol. I know my pc was about $850 new but worth about $450-$500 in the used market.
If youre going to buy something in person, there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing the purchase in a police department parking lot, or next to it. I usually just go in to the front desk and tell them I am meeting a stranger to make a large purchase and they are more than willing to keep an eye out. This may not be an option where you are, but if it is, take advantage of it.
Amazing video, very informative, i thoroughly enjoyed it, thank you JayzTwoCents.
I know not everyone likes eBay, but as someone who's bought and sold for over 20yrs on it - I enjoy the protections for both parties. It isn't perfect - nothing is, but selling a RTX 4070 in a rural community of 80k isn't easy.
Falcon North West was even included in Valve's Half Life 2 game credits from 2004
I honestly envy you guys at the west with cheap used parts. Used item still sell for premium over the eastern part of the world, in fact people often just overvalue their stuff, still selling stuff for near MSRP, making it rather bad deal. If shipping isn't cost a bomb I'd really want to shop from you guys.
I like to spend many, many thousands building a new system every 4 to 6 years and just game on the thing until the wheels fall off it then give it to my kids. Rinse wash and repeat. My 14900K/4090 system is still treating me really well. My kids are gaming on my old 11th gen era systems. They needed desktops so I went ahead and upgraded my gaming and media rigs early this go round. I stayed with my 4690K Devils Canyon chip until 11th gen time before. Before that, ran an FX-9590. Just upgrading graphics cards here and there. If I was building a system today, I would get a 9800X3D and hold out for 50 series.
About a year and a half ago I bought a brand new I9 13900k from Best Buy for about $525 and have not regretted it. I also have not had a problem with mine.
But it's interesting to see the price on this hasn't really changed.
Honestly I love that Jay has a good relationship with Falcon Northwest. They were always a great company with great PCs. I followed Jay for a long time and I was very happy when he started reviewing Falcon Northwest PCs.
I bought the Asus ROG Swift 240hz OLED monitor off Ebay for 425.00, it still had the peel on the base. This thing is awesome.
First and foremost, great video, especially the tips to keep from getting scammed or robbed! Thanks for the good information.
This latest intel launch has really pointed out to me how much of the tech media I watch is really skewed towards gamers and not most people that use a pc for office work. It's really hard to get info on performance at the low end computing. I don't know if you would be interested in doing a "General build" not geared towards gaming but to see if you can beat out the laptop cycle. I help out my Grandma and I really hate the laptop manufacturers having made them a pain to repair.
The prices I found on a used market that people that are selling them are smoking crack The best you're getting an 80 to 100 dollars off from new
I drove 2 hours to a Best Buy and got a 4060 XLR8 PNY card for $313.
Still uses an 8 pin connector and does what i need it to. Plus if I get some of my race car stuff sold, I can still get ahold of a 4080 or 4090 and put this 4060 into a different case and sell it, or keep it around as a spare card or startup card for systems I am trying to diagnose...
Bought 2 used RX 7900XTX's one was a Hellhound and the other (and my now current GPU) a Red Devil which even came with the original box and accessories at no extra cost. They were both mint condition and worked flawlessly. Although the Hellhound I got was an absolute dog, in that I lost the silicone lottery big time, it could barely handle any kind of Under volt, had insane coil whine and wouldn't even take +50Mhz on the VRAM without crashing. So I returned it and got the Red Devil which was wayyyy better in terms of OC and UV'ing and runs cool and quiet.
I got them both from CEX (UK version of Gamestop) and they both come with 2 years warranty). Good too that it's an actual store so you can go in and physically inspect the stuff you're going to buy
I also buy most of my SSD's used which everyone frowns upon but I've never had any issues and use them as my game drives all the time.
I bought a 10th-11th gen Mobo for 20 bucks MSRP about 200 bucks and intel 10th gen I9 for half of what it costs brand new. I fixed the mobo, it had bent pins and everything works as it should. I just did this because my previous system was slightly bottlenecked by my 3060 and I wanted access to PCI gen 4
I bought a used AMD 7600 on Amazon, marked as like new with no box. I got it and installed it and ran some stress tests. It ran thru the tests fine, but after a few days, I now get blocks of my screen that will start to flicker and when watching video, no matter the app or browser, the video will freeze and audio keeps on trucking along. I takes Ctrl+Alt+Del and end task of whatever app I am using to exit out. I called Amazon and they gave me a refund of what I paid and let me keep the card till the new one I intend to by shows up. I figured since they gave me a full refund as credit I intended to go to a 7700XT. They agreed. I now have a perfectly running PC with a 7700XT and returned my 7600. I think it would get random GDDR errors.
I was surprised at how high the prices still are on the 3090. After my old 1080ti died I got a 3090 from ebay over a year ago for about $700, and it was a pretty decent Gigabyte one too. I guess the prices have not really come down at all in the last 18 months.
Currently using a used Ryzen 3600X I bought for £50 and a new RTX 4070 Super, it's NOICE. I might consider buying used parts in future if pushed to it.
On ebay when you want to compare prices, set the filter to show SOLD listings to see what was actually paid for stuff!!
The real champion is the Ryzen 7 7700 NON-X and 7900 NON-X. The former is 220-240$ brand new and the later is 340-360$ brand new.
That's pretty crazy, I don't consider myself an enthusiast, and I know about what's going on.
In the UK CEX gives 5 years warranty on PC parts. Not that expensive as well. I find it very useful for memory for older machines.
450 to pay for a 7800x3d is a pretty good price. We had a similar price in Estonia, but more precisely 470 euros. Now that the 9800x3d started to arrive, its price went up to 543 euros
Picked up an aorus x670 mobo with a 7800x3d, 32gb of trident 6000mt ddr5 cl 36 and a 240mm Kraken AIO for 500 just now. He upgraded to a 9800x3d. Solid deal
350 used is not a dip. I got mine new for 250 in a bundle deal at microcenter here in Cincinnati less then 3 months ago. If you choose your own MB and RAM with a CPU at microcenter you still get the bundle deal price usually and don't have to get their pre-made bundle. Do it on their website before going to pick up to check prices when you BYO combo. I can show the receipt if yall want to see it.
For 13th/14th gen CPUs,
If you get it with the box and the serial/batch numbers are clearly visible, you can easily get a warrenty replacement within 5 days through intel support without providing a bill/invoice. Thats what I did to my 13900ks when I bought it used for 400$ before all the failures happened.
But won't the issue still exist over time, it's just been slowed down with the microcodes ?
@@scarletspidernz At this point only time will tell. I've only used my current cpu on 0x129 and the newer 0x12B microcode and I have 0 issues at the current time.
I would still recommend people to stick with AMD "IF" they can get the motherboard cheap enough. (I got my Asrock Z690 Aqua Motherboard new for $300 which was ~$200 cheaper than any x670e motherboard)
@scarletspidernz lol all cpus degrade even with all of the Intel problems last year amd still had more rmas noone talks about that tho
@@timmypowers5926 Wheres the proof of that?
@@timmypowers5926 Do you have a source to this info? only issues I have read about were on burning 7000x3d launch which was a motherboard issue and was fixed within a month.
Other than that, they seem solid as a rock.
I just built a mostly used system from last gen Ryzen 5000. Got the Gundam Zaku 2 Asus case and motherboard matching for 300 used, and then picked up an asus tough RX6800xt for $300 used. I then bought a Ryzen 7 5700x3D on sale for $150 and spent the rest on ram and storage. Was about $1000 CAD build and it plays 4K without ray tracing just fine above 100FPS. the 16GB of vram really helps that compared to an nvidia card.
Total specs are
Ryzen 5700X3d
32GB Corsair 3600MHZ ram
Asus tough RX 6800XT
B550 Zaku Motherboard
1TB Gen 4 Western Digital Black.
850Watt Corsair PSU that came with the case.
I did not include a windows license in cost as I installed Linux as its superior for what I do with my machines and gaming is similar experience to windows now.
the 6800xt is a great Non raytracing card, I loved mine. that being said, the problem is the 6800xt's memory bus doesnt hold up nearly as well at 4k as it does at 1080 or 1440. The 6800xt's memory bus keeps it held back (the infinity cache on the gpu is there as a bandaid for that 256bit memory bus) so the 16gb memory is actually less useful at 4k. the card becomes bandwidth limited. (overclock the memory, you'll get more performance) You Did really good, $1000 canadian, for a gaming pc at that powerlevel is sweet. I built about the same system for $730 us. (All used also, except the ram, case and psu)
@@Dj-Mccullough I have an rtx 3090 system on linux as well with a AMD 5950x actually and I find they perform almost identical except for ray-tracing and more productivity focused things like blender.
Whatever the bandwidth limit is going on with the 6800xt its not noticeable at 4K for gaming at all as usually frame rates are between 10 to 20 FPS out on non ray traced games between the two.
The 6800xt system is used for gaming the most, and the occasional fire up and work in blender or other video editing software.
The 3090 system is usually doing CAD and 3D printing designs through blender. Also the odd simulation in blender with physics, and usually its the system I test games on first when a new fancy looking one comes out. That way I can enable ray tracing, and up scaling to see how it looks, and then turn it off immediately.
This is basically my build but I snagged a 7900xt for 580.
@@jimdob6528 Nice! A 7900xt would not fit in the zaku 2 case with an AIO besides lmao. The 6800xt in mine is actually pressed up against the radiator on my AIO and its friction fit so no sag bracket etc needed lmao.
Used parts are 100% worth it. Ive built several rigs with them including my own which has a used rog strix x670e-a from ebay, a used rog strix 4090 and ive yet to have any issue with any of my builds. Put together my dads rig with a used 5600 from ebay, and a used evga 3080 from marketplace. You get some of the best deals from marketplace, im always looking for good deals on used parts
6:25 This is not 'always' true. It might be true for less experienced users, but there are many ways to get around it if you know how. The easiest way is if the paste has been spread before mounting the cooler and has 100% coverage. It is nearly impossible to notice any discoloration. You're also less likely to have paste flow out onto the pcb and into any smd's that are impossible to clean.
To anyone currently looking at parts, please check prices from up to a year ago. All my high end parts are more expensive now than when I built my PC. Dont overspend unnecessarily.
How bout any time before the tariff kicks in
right time to buy? about 0:21
We have the auctions here in Vegas and returned parts show up. You get 7 days to make Shure your buy works but we can score things 90% off
That's how I built my massive SFF BOINC number crunching farm 300 business boxes from eBay because companies replace them every 3 years... (3 to 5)
Not every town but some police stations have parking spots with cameras pointed at the for online marketplaces to keep everyone honest. I have only done these sales and trades at police stations parking lots.
Seems like even the second-hand prices of some types of gaming components are getting ridiculous. The small saving does not counter the risk and lack of a new item warranty. Yep, there are so-called bargains out there but they carry a lot of risk and questionable recourse.
One item comes to mind-the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, secondhand, can cost as much as a brand new AMD Ryzen 7 7700X, Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX v2, or G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB DDR5-6000 Kit. The 5800X3D may be faster in some games, but you are basically at a dead end. The move to AM5, even at this level, for the same money, gives you the ability to keep upgrading little by little for at least a few years, all the way up to a Ryzen 9 9950X.
Yep. I have done hundreds of transactions buying and selling, online. I'll offer F&F or tell them to add for PayPal fees unless they just agree to my up front price. Up to them. Most of the time they opt to pay fees, which is smart.
Just skip the whole friends and family, venmo, paypal. Go straight cash. If they dont want to buy or sell in cash then move along.
Trouble with that is that it's hard to test if you don't bring an entire setup with you or have them show you the part working in the PC when your there. If it doesn't work when you bring it home then your kinda screwed
FIRST! Jay, what's a good upgrade from an Rx6600xt? I want to upgrade to 1440p. 5700x3D CPU
id look into 5800x3d or 5950x
Get a 6800, 7800xt, or 7900gre.
If ur under a tight budget get a 6750xt but for definitive 1440p get a 7900gre
Wow! Just like all the people before you.
I built my PC for $900. Leftover SSD from my dead laptop saved me money.
Spent $250 on a Used RX 6800. That was my biggest savings.
My Ryzen 9 3900x cpu is more than enough for my gaming + streaming bit and my 6700xt is more than fine for me at 1440p gaming. I am glad that I got what I did because it'll keep me happy for awhile.
The 5800X3D is often selling for more than the 7000 series on Ebay. I should have bought a dozen of them when Amazon had them on sale for $259. Now they're gone and worth almost as much as gold to some sellers it seems. Open box and used ones are selling for around $340. New ones close to $450. Crazy!
I just bought myself a used 5800X3D. Well, it took 2 attempts. But I am happy I was able to upgrade my system to the best CPU it can handle.
I cannot thank you enough for telling people to NOT buy used Raptor lake. I've stopped watching another big channel in the tech space, in part, because in a video, they advised someone who was worried about their possible CPU problems to just sell it. Thank you for at least seeming to give a crap. Really, thank you.
I do agree with what you said Jay but I do have one question if what has been said is true about starting next year 60 to 100% tariff taxes added to products that are imported into the country what's that going to do for computer part prices. Or is that just something we shouldn't be concerned about or just shop to used market for a while. Love all your videos keep up all the good work tell the guys hi for me and have a good day.
My first build was inspired by junkyard wars. Built in 2018, still running.
I think Arrow lake needs a chance for optimization. People have done some weird things to it that give it 50 fps. It definitely benefits from good memory. I'm considering it because I don't want to try and get a 9800X3D before the tariffs drop.
I trade with people with only cash. There would be solid demand for Ultra 200 series you can buy Z890 MB with Thunderbolt port starting on like 200USD. IO is great on that platform, productivity is great if you dont care about gaming they are good. If they would drop like 100USD on each tier I would be tempted to buy.