@@mackies9151 Visit The Original CZ Forum and view the Topic "P10C Trigger Creep and Stacking?" Scroll down to response from earlan357. He provides a very informative explanation.
Dam right! Good is the enemy of better. And who doesn't like better. At $150 this trigger is a steal. It's like having a new and different type of pistol.
I love the added safety of my striker control device on my glock 26. I wouldn't want to lose that feature with a pre cocked striker. I have considered going to a flat faced trigger shoe.
I just wanted to say thank you. I was very discouraged with my pistol shooting skills. I’ve been watching your videos and practicing dry fire.I went to the range today and saw a big improvement. Even the range officer commented that I must had been practicing. The grip techniques you’ve been sharing really work. I’m going to schedule some range time with a local instructor and continue to grow a shooter. Thanks for your videos they really are a help.
I pick up a Glock and my shots are always terrible going lower left, I pick up a HKvp9 and get point of aim and point on impact shots center of target always. The VP9, Sig 229, and Walters grips are better and the guns more accurate vs Glocks. Go to gun range and rent out a variety and test yourself.
You want to learn more, get into competition-based shooting. Lots of help by great shooters, and you get to learn a lot from others. Highly recommended!
@@getlost3346 Same issue here with my G19 - low and left. I was a dead straight shooter with my M&P with Apex trigger. The interwebs tells me it's my trigger pull causing the low left shot, but there has to be more to this like the Glock grip I believe.
The "Setting Expectations" chapter at 2:19 is why I love this channel. You won't get that kind of feedback and honesty from dedicated "review" channels
This trigger is a game changer for glocks... tried it at a steel match a few months back on my buddies glock 19 and oh boy was that trigger smooth and crisp!!! Follow up shots were nice in this!!
I don't know why I'm just seeing this video now, but I had no idea just how different this trigger is. Thanks for this. I'm not a Glock guy, but I appreciate the innovation.
Have both Gen3 Timney Alpha in my G17, and Gen5 Timney Alpha in my G45. Both triggers purchased early 2021. All stock Glock springs with Glock minus “-“ connectors. 2k-4k rounds on G17. 4K-6k rounds on G45. With all types factory new ammo n factory reloads. Not one single issue on either. I regularly shoot IDPA and occasional USPSA. Only mod I made to Timney trigger was the original kits shipped with one L-Spring which caused trigger pull to be very light and consequently caused a slow trigger reset since same spring used for both. I replaced L-Spring with a McMaster L-Spring; #9287K78, 1lb, 2.25coils, 0.187” shaft diameter. $4.19ea. Had to trim the legs slightly but now have 4-4.5lb trigger pull and snappy reset. I prefer the heavier trigger pull and find that I don’t feel it since Timney is a single stage trigger and not 2 stage as in the stock Glock trigger. When Timney came out with the heavier L-Spring due to slow reset complaints, I gave that a try on both my Glocks, but found I much preferred the reset response using the McMaster spring. My shooting buddy got his Timney Alpha around the same time I did for his Gen3 G19, and also has experienced no issues whatsoever in over 3k rounds. I guess we’re some of the lucky ones with no issues. Hope this helps.
For my Glocks I have a Ghost Edge connector and a L2D Ultimate Lightweight striker with a 4.5 pound striker spring. Everything else is stock. Really like this setup. Wouldn't try a 4.5 pound spring without the L2D striker I mentioned. Very reliable for me and my buddy so far.
I picked up a gen 5 19 last week that has a timney trigger, kagerworks slide release, aftermarket mag well one of the mags has a+ 5 extensions believe it’s such an amazing shooting gun. only thing im getting for it now is night sights and a trl7A flashlight from trex arms and also orderd a sidecar from them with a magazine attachment. Super stoked to get it 👍
I love mine. I did have an issue at around the 2,000 round mark with the overtravel takeup screw working itself loose that would cause the trigger to either not reset or hang up. Disassembled and put some locktite on the screw and got it set to where it would barely allow the trigger safety to protrude as it should. No issues since.
I have a dozen or more Glocks. Gen1 through Gen5. I have a Gen2 31 that I carried for 20 years every day. After 25k+ rounds and several sets of Wolff springs, it is phenomenal. It is so good that I've run it vs my XFive Legion and the difference is so small as to be irrelevant. But that took years. And I just got the XFive. But it's that good. Still the original trigger, though maybe 10 sets of springs later. Muscle memory cannot be understated.
I’m trying to decide between this and the apex trigger. Seems like the biggest advantage is the flat trigger which both have. Hmm comparison video for best aftermarket Glock trigger for competition?
I find these have a very light reset to them.. Much prefer the stock reset but do enjoy the lightened trigger pull. The apex I have in the g43 is great.
I put this trigger into my DR920 and love it. Makes my precision shots more accurate, being the break is more predictable. All-in-all, I'm happy with this upgrade.
@@jamesmanning8795 I haven't shoot mine yet, since my optic plate hasn't come in yet. Just by dry firing the trigger and the grip texture is amazing. Hopefully the shooting experience will be just as good.
A Glock trigger is a fight to pull, so as your pulling that trigger and anticipating that shoot you tend to pull right or left, but a softer trigger pull you will just shoot not waiting for the long pull.
I would imagine that this trigger can greatly improve the Glock design. I installed an Apex trigger on a Glock pistol and was very happy with the results. This looks like an improvement on that design. I will mention that the CZ P10-C does not need an aftermarket trigger as it shoots just as accurately as a CZ Shadow II which is 3 times the cost of the P10-C.
There’s still the firing pin saftey and the trigger saftey tab, this trigger doesn’t by any means render a Glock unsafe. Light ass trigger break?? Yes indeed. You can get a timney combat trigger conversion from Johnny Glocks and it makes this trigger break heavy enough to be safe again for ccw. Johnny Glock even dropped this his personal Glock with this trigger in it from 8 and 10 ft multiple times and the trigger never broke to release the striker. This timney alpha trigger is absolutely amazing.
I think at some point this is going to be ruled not legal for IDPA competition. I’m sure the people making the rules are currently not aware of the mechanical changes internally, and that the drop safety is now disconnected from the seer in the Timney. In a stock trigger the rear of the crucifix at the back of the trigger bar is what functions as a seer. The Timney essentially eliminates the drop safety. Strip your gun down again and use a punch to push down on the seer. You’ll see it can move down although the trigger bar is blocked. To me, this is an unsafe design. I had two of these triggers that I removed from my Glocks upon discovering this.
How will anything push down on the sear when the gun is assembled? The timney trigger has one less redundant safety than the stock glock trigger, but it is in line with the industry standard in precocked striker triggers. If I'm not mistaken, the same concern applies to the P320, Walther and its derivative designs, the XD, the M&P and the P10. It also is the same with any single action hammer gun or DA/SA guns in SA mode.
@@jackwicker In theory, correct, nothing should push down on the seer when the gun is assembled. But due to inertia or worn parts, bad things can happen, and I don’t believe it’s ever a good idea to remove a safety feature that’s inherent to the design. The 320 was designed from the ground up to work as it does, the Glock was designed differently. Personally, I would rather carry a Glock than a 320, I just like my boys too much, but I wouldn’t carry a Glock with a Timmy trigger either. It may be fine for competition use, but under IDPA rules, it should not be allowed.
@@jcnikoley I feel like saying that the 320 was designed from the ground up to work as it does isn't really saying much. It's a derivative of the P250 and other striker guns before that. All mainstream production guns are highly derivative of previous designs. The fact that the Timney modifies the Glock to conform to design principles used by a large fraction of its competitors doesn't really make me think it's likely to be unsafe. After all, Johnny Glocks has given it his go-ahead. I don't think the Timney is suitable for carry, but I don't think that the reason its unsuitable is safety concerns. Rather, I just think it's unwise to carry a gun with a trigger pull weight under 4.5lbs for defensive use, IWB or otherwise.
@@jackwicker We could probably spin our wheels all day debating on whether the Timney design is safe or not. The point is, you cannot alter the fundamental design and delete a safety feature of a firearm and have it still be legal for IDPA. The Timney removes two critical design features, the “safe action”/double action, and the drop safety. I can’t believe the person at IDPA HQ that signed off on this has any understanding of the mechanics of what’s happening inside of the gun.
I’m liking it. Always used stock triggers and never cared for any aftermarket. This one is definitely innovative. Which is not easy with Glocks. I did have some light primer strikes and had to remove a little material off the top of the trigger bar (where the striker slides over). The striker can drag slightly on some of them which slows it down. Little file and polish took care of it.
Unless I'm mistaken, isn't the top of the trigger bar meant to catch the striker in the event that it's unintentionally released by the sear? Kind of as a replacement to the drop safety on a traditional Glock trigger
@@shootinbruin3614 All the safety’s are the same. This one just doesn’t push the striker back that last millimeter. It still has ahold of the striker. The safety plunger would have to fail to have any drop issue.
@@appliedperformance773 Agree, but the specific thing I was thinking of was taking material off the bottom of the Timney trigger bar (where it pushes down against the sear to make it release the striker) instead of the top. This allows the clearance you need to have the striker leg clear the top of the bar. Taking a little off the bottom instead of the top will increase the pretravel a little bit, but the benefit would be having the trigger bar remain tall enough when at rest to act as a redundant block to the striker in the event the sear lets it go during a drop. I think having the bar act as block in addition to the safety plunger was the original intent, hence it's height. I could definitely be wrong though. Love your channel man. Shaved three-tenths off my draw from following your advice. Thanks for everything you share in your videos.
@@shootinbruin3614 The top won’t make any difference but the back edge definitely will. The striker is resting against the back edge so the top back corner is left alone. Polishing the top surface won’t affect any safety. Just leaving the actual engagement point alone. Once the striker is let go, it’s gone. There’s nothing left to stop it.
Installed the Timney Alpha into my Glock 19 5th gen and it turned my gun into a paper weight. Light strikes and wont fire a single round. Buyers beware
I just ordered the Glock Precision Trigger for my 26gen5. I went that route because it's OEM parts, vs aftermarket. Reliability plus doesn't void the mfg warranty. We'll see how it works out
Just had this trigger installed by a certified Glock Armorerlast weekend, went to the range today and had light and no primer strike on 11 out of 17 rounds any thoughts. He used the lighter spring
@@danielh5397 the break and feel is amazing. However, the reset feels weak. Very disappointed in the reset. But when I shoot fast, I don't really notice the reset--and from that you can tell I cannot shoot 0.12 splits lol. I'd give it a 9/10. Taking off a full point because of bad reset, jow much of a pain in the ass it makes removing and inserting the trigger assembly, and how debugging I needed to do to reduce the light strikes I get--turned out to be the after market connector.
My kids like Caniks a lot. But I carry Glocks because their slides are the hardest steel you can get on a gun, and I sharpen my knife on it when I'm out farting around hunting etc. I'm still rockin an original Glock P80 and g27, bone stock.
Precocked strikers are neat. I really hope glock gets around to bringing the G46 to the American commercial market. It seems like pretty much the perfect "wouldn't that be cool" glock. -g19 size -even lower bore axis (kinda a meme but still neat) -rotating barrel -precocked striker -disassembly without pulling trigger -flatter trigger shoe -longer beavertail -more undercut trigger guard -designed to hold up to major power factor level pressures over a long service life
Mine is super gritty and pauses on the resets. I have to take my finger completely off it on the reset and let it creep itself forward. Had a Glock armorer put it in also.
As usual an outstanding brief. Would you consider doing a comparison of the Timney against the Pontoon Tacical/Boogy man trigger. Of course for competition reasons only as that is what I am looking for. You are the best answer to not being able to try it before you buy it. Thank you again.
There were a large batch that weren’t manufactured to spec. It would cause light primer strikers. Had to do a little sanding and polishing to get mine to work.
You better not have a problem with it. I had a problem with my 10/22 trigger. I called them 3 times. I emailed them 3 times. They never responded. Brownells took it back, no questions asked.
i like how every video i watched on the timney trigger didnt mention these issues, i of course just picked one up for my Glock 19 gen 4, have yet to install it an randomly come across this video. i carry my Glock for work , should i possibly attempt to return it ?
As long as ALL the safeties are functional, I see no reason not to carry it. It seems like saying you like pulling the striker back the rest of the way, but why would you like that? Trigger discipline safety? Reholstering safety-since for DA guys and Glock “gadget-flipper-thingy” guys, I could see preferring the safety of reholstering. I rarely reholstering my carry gun and don’t carry AIWB.
is there a chance of the Timney alpha competition for glock 19 gen 5, to disarm the firing pin due to a drop from a chest height? Once this trigger makes the gun to get full coked (I mean 100% of the firing on the set ready strike position)...
So this trigger holds the firing in the rear position. When pulling trigger the sear lets it go. This means you have a loaded firearm thats cocked and you have no safety at all. usually the firing pin is forward and the Glock safe Action is in place. As its pulled back during trigger pull. So this completely removes the safe action. This is like carrying a 1911 cocked and not locked.
The gen5 stock trigger isn't that bad. I installed a Ranger Proof aluminum shoe. I gave it a good polish to select 'internals' and it feels very smooth.
Put mine in and it seems very lite. Not sure i should use it as my EDC. I wasn't expecting it to make that much difference. Wondering if I installed it correctly
I got one a couple weeks ago and it shot flawlessly for the first 500 or so rounds. Since then I have had a reset issue ever since. No matter how much I clean and lube the gun. I did notice a good pit of wear on the top of the trigger shoe where the slide stop spring rubs it?
hello, I have a problem with the trigger reset, even when it was new I had this minus, now after firing not many shots, about 1000rounds, I either have to push it to come back or it comes back after more than 1-2 seconds, or it doesn't come back. Who can help me with advice to fix this discomfort.
So on my gen 3 Glocks I did the .25 cent trigger job, installed Zev competition spring kit and 3.5# connector, it makes a helluva difference without spending $150.00 or so on an aftermarket trigger.
I'm surprised the trigger didn't cut down on your pre and overtravel. I preordered the gen 5 for my stock 34 and it cut travel in half and dropped the pull to about 3 lbs. I like the trigger but I'm not overly impressed by it. Not sure if I'll add it to any of my other glocks or not at this point. I have heard Timney is now sending 2 trigger springs with their kits to help the reset issues.
Just got my Timney in, it did have two trigger springs.....put the highest weight one in and still had some trigger bar reseting issues. But, then I found a video on Timneys site saying that the factory connector bar is bent to far out on some pistols and causes too much pressure on the trigger bar, which can cause reset issues as well. So I adjusted the angle on the connector bar as suggested, lubed it properly, and boom works like a dream. My only concern is what will happen with a long range day, and soot building up on the trigger/connector bars. I will definitely have to keep an eye on it. I almost wish Timney would provide a third spring, with a higher pressure. I know this would increase the pull. But I would be fine with like a 3.5lb pull, if it would guarantee the trigger bar reset.
Love your input here. I know you know you're way around a glock so how do you feel about its potential to circumvent the drop safety or at least minimize its intention.
All of the glock safeties are effective with the trigger - but- rather than being partially cocked striker it's fully cocked. So the cruciform sits on the shelf, the trigger tab works, and the firing pin block has to be disengaged - same as the OEM system - but rather than rearward travel cocking the striker and releasing it - it just releases.
@@TheHumbleMarksman sooo cocked and locked but a striker fired version. When Johnny glocks explained the spring tension on the sear I was a little apprehensive. Seems like a step away from a New York trigger.
@@genehanna3977 The sear is in their new trigger housing insert - there is a spring pushing the lug up that interfaces with the striker - so it won't fall unless the cruciform moves to the rear and drops it. It's a clever design - but not why I signed up for the glock action.
@@TheHumbleMarksman I know this thread has been out here for a while. Have you had any issues with this trigger so far? I see so many people talk about reset issues. But then I see several others say the trigger is awesome.
A better trigger will allow you to shoot better, but it will not make your trigger squeeze better. I think if you can’t pick up a gun without shooting point of aim, get a different gun. It shouldn’t take thousands of rounds and getting the perfect grip for you to shoot good. Odds are in a defensive situation, you won’t be able to get that perfect grip or be able to focus on the perfect trigger squeeze.
Someone please tell me if I'm wrong, but don't M&Ps have a pre cocked striker? My initial impressions of the Timney alpha trigger is that it kind of changes the Glock trigger into something more similar to a M&P trigger.
I tried this trigger for a Gen 5 Glock. Would not reset reliably . Sent it back to Timney and soon thereafter received a new trigger and had same reset problems. Trigger was installed correctly, so not sure what the issue is with this trigger, but a big disappointment.
Does the pre-cocked striker conversion render the SCD basically non-functional? If the striker is fully cocked and has no rearward travel, I cannot imagine that the SCD works for its intended purpose.
I‘ve installed the trigger in my glock 17 gen5 all other parts are stock, installed is the minus connctor. Now i have a trigger pull weight around 6lbs not the promised 3lbs. In my gen 4 with timney trigger i reach around 3lbs. Does somebody have an idea to fix that issue
I have a 43x for my edc and looking to upgrade the trigger. With Glock already having a heavier connector will this still maintain a heavier pull weight or will it drop it to the 2.5-3.5 range?
There are lots of other striker fired guns that have a single action/pre-cocked striker, and they’re perfectly safe for carry. The XD lineup, any Canik, some of the Taurus models, etc.
Recall you liking larger dots (6 MOA?). Which Holosun 407/507 are you using here? Don’t see any options for larger dots in their 407/507 sized footprint except for the 407-CO which I can’t find yet, and that’s a circle, not a solid dot (which I still want to try).
Definitely do not carry this trigger for EDC. This is a competition / range system. High stress situations and poor trigger discipline can be a disaster when you press out. Johnny Glock can help with a combat trigger or Apex etc etc.
@@Balticblue93 then get training. its a 3lb trigger, people with your fearful mindset and lack of knowledge spread disinformation. Many LE/MIL CONTRACTs carry this already.
I have a ghost 3.5 connector (just the standard one) in my Glock 17 gen 5. If I install this trigger would you use the factory connector or the ghost 3.5? Or will it make a difference? To be honest I can’t tell much of a difference between them with the stock trigger. It made a difference in my g26 but did pretty much nothing in my g17 gen 5.
Just installed mine today. It comes with 2 return springs, the red one is for use with aftermarket connectors, the "normal" spring for stock connectors. Everything else is the same. That is a great competition trigger...
@@TheHumbleMarksman IDPA rulebook says 4. Internal action work may be used to enhance trigger pull as long as safety is maintained (no visible external modifications allowed). I think this is a bit of a gray area here. Does the Timney count as a visible external modification? I know people that own this trigger and participated even in the national IDPA competition in my country but since the IDPA rulebook is a bit iffy I can't say for sure that they actually checked the gun properly. I'm a new shooter looking to buy the Timney however I want to be able to shoot it at international events (IDPA) without any issues.
Do you use aftermarket glock triggers? Would you use one that turned the gun into a pre-cocked striker?
Is the cz p10 a pre cocked striker? Is that why the stock trigger is better?
@@mackies9151 Visit The Original CZ Forum and view the Topic "P10C Trigger Creep and Stacking?" Scroll down to response from earlan357. He provides a very informative explanation.
Dam right! Good is the enemy of better. And who doesn't like better. At $150 this trigger is a steal. It's like having a new and different type of pistol.
I love the added safety of my striker control device on my glock 26. I wouldn't want to lose that feature with a pre cocked striker. I have considered going to a flat faced trigger shoe.
Why would I want to take away one of the best things about a Glock!? Maybe it would be fine for a game gun, but I wouldn’t carry one.
I just wanted to say thank you. I was very discouraged with my pistol shooting skills. I’ve been watching your videos and practicing dry fire.I went to the range today and saw a big improvement. Even the range officer commented that I must had been practicing. The grip techniques you’ve been sharing really work. I’m going to schedule some range time with a local instructor and continue to grow a shooter. Thanks for your videos they really are a help.
that's awesome man - I'm glad to hear you're making strides. Way to go man - hard work pays off!
I pick up a Glock and my shots are always terrible going lower left, I pick up a HKvp9 and get point of aim and point on impact shots center of target always. The VP9, Sig 229, and Walters grips are better and the guns more accurate vs Glocks. Go to gun range and rent out a variety and test yourself.
You want to learn more, get into competition-based shooting. Lots of help by great shooters, and you get to learn a lot from others. Highly recommended!
I would love to learn to shot a Glock better. Clearly I don't.
@@getlost3346 Same issue here with my G19 - low and left. I was a dead straight shooter with my M&P with Apex trigger. The interwebs tells me it's my trigger pull causing the low left shot, but there has to be more to this like the Glock grip I believe.
The "Setting Expectations" chapter at 2:19 is why I love this channel. You won't get that kind of feedback and honesty from dedicated "review" channels
This trigger is a game changer for glocks... tried it at a steel match a few months back on my buddies glock 19 and oh boy was that trigger smooth and crisp!!! Follow up shots were nice in this!!
According to this genius it does nothing but a less force of break...... dudes a clown.
I don't know why I'm just seeing this video now, but I had no idea just how different this trigger is. Thanks for this. I'm not a Glock guy, but I appreciate the innovation.
Have both Gen3 Timney Alpha in my G17, and Gen5 Timney Alpha in my G45. Both triggers purchased early 2021. All stock Glock springs with Glock minus “-“ connectors.
2k-4k rounds on G17.
4K-6k rounds on G45.
With all types factory new ammo n factory reloads.
Not one single issue on either. I regularly shoot IDPA and occasional USPSA.
Only mod I made to Timney trigger was the original kits shipped with one L-Spring which caused trigger pull to be very light and consequently caused a slow trigger reset since same spring used for both. I replaced L-Spring with a McMaster L-Spring; #9287K78, 1lb, 2.25coils, 0.187” shaft diameter. $4.19ea.
Had to trim the legs slightly but now have 4-4.5lb trigger pull and snappy reset. I prefer the heavier trigger pull and find that I don’t feel it since Timney is a single stage trigger and not 2 stage as in the stock Glock trigger.
When Timney came out with the heavier L-Spring due to slow reset complaints, I gave that a try on both my Glocks, but found I much preferred the reset response using the McMaster spring. My shooting buddy got his Timney Alpha around the same time I did for his Gen3 G19, and also has experienced no issues whatsoever in over 3k rounds.
I guess we’re some of the lucky ones with no issues. Hope this helps.
wow thanks for the mcmaster part# ! i too like the "assisted" reset better for faster splits
For my Glocks I have a Ghost Edge connector and a L2D Ultimate Lightweight striker with a 4.5 pound striker spring. Everything else is stock. Really like this setup. Wouldn't try a 4.5 pound spring without the L2D striker I mentioned. Very reliable for me and my buddy so far.
I wonder if Tinney trigger along with Ghost connector would make it ultimate light trigger almost like Binary
Sir your presentation and explanations were clean, precise, and understandable. 🎉Thank you so much‼️
5:40 the things called the sear. the trigger transforms the Glock trigger and changes it to the same design hk uses on their vp9
I picked up a gen 5 19 last week that has a timney trigger, kagerworks slide release, aftermarket mag well one of the mags has a+ 5 extensions believe it’s such an amazing shooting gun. only thing im getting for it now is night sights and a trl7A flashlight from trex arms and also orderd a sidecar from them with a magazine attachment. Super stoked to get it 👍
I love mine. I did have an issue at around the 2,000 round mark with the overtravel takeup screw working itself loose that would cause the trigger to either not reset or hang up. Disassembled and put some locktite on the screw and got it set to where it would barely allow the trigger safety to protrude as it should. No issues since.
I have a dozen or more Glocks. Gen1 through Gen5.
I have a Gen2 31 that I carried for 20 years every day. After 25k+ rounds and several sets of Wolff springs, it is phenomenal. It is so good that I've run it vs my XFive Legion and the difference is so small as to be irrelevant. But that took years. And I just got the XFive.
But it's that good. Still the original trigger, though maybe 10 sets of springs later.
Muscle memory cannot be understated.
I’m trying to decide between this and the apex trigger. Seems like the biggest advantage is the flat trigger which both have. Hmm comparison video for best aftermarket Glock trigger for competition?
I find these have a very light reset to them.. Much prefer the stock reset but do enjoy the lightened trigger pull. The apex I have in the g43 is great.
I put this trigger into my DR920 and love it. Makes my precision shots more accurate, being the break is more predictable. All-in-all, I'm happy with this upgrade.
thinking on putting one on mines
mr920 elite, gonna grab up one of these too.
Couldn't get it to work on mine, what srping did you use do you recall?
I put one on my XR920. Love it
@@ianhurst6846 does this gen 5 work with all S.S 920's
Instructions were unclear...... I came home with a Walther PDP......
In all seriousness,.good review.
You like the PDP? I'm very interested in it.
@@jamesmanning8795 I haven't shoot mine yet, since my optic plate hasn't come in yet. Just by dry firing the trigger and the grip texture is amazing. Hopefully the shooting experience will be just as good.
Johnny Glock is my Glock trigger of choice
A Glock trigger is a fight to pull, so as your pulling that trigger and anticipating that shoot you tend to pull right or left, but a softer trigger pull you will just shoot not waiting for the long pull.
As always good content...!!! Your Patreon is more than worth it...
You're kind for saying so - I try to over deliver
Holy shit. This is amazing. How is this not like front page on every gun site?
I like the Fowler industries trigger. I haven’t felt this trigger, but I really like stock Glock triggers especially the gen5.
I have about 145 round through mine and I love it
3:13, all i needed to know, thanks bro.
Same lol
Glad to hear you praising the d/a glock trigger. Pretty tensioned strikers give me the heeby jeebies.
I would imagine that this trigger can greatly improve the Glock design. I installed an Apex trigger on a Glock pistol and was very happy with the results. This looks like an improvement on that design. I will mention that the CZ P10-C does not need an aftermarket trigger as it shoots just as accurately as a CZ Shadow II which is 3 times the cost of the P10-C.
There’s still the firing pin saftey and the trigger saftey tab, this trigger doesn’t by any means render a Glock unsafe. Light ass trigger break?? Yes indeed. You can get a timney combat trigger conversion from Johnny Glocks and it makes this trigger break heavy enough to be safe again for ccw. Johnny Glock even dropped this his personal Glock with this trigger in it from 8 and 10 ft multiple times and the trigger never broke to release the striker. This timney alpha trigger is absolutely amazing.
At 7:10
Do not carry a chambered pre-cocked striker fire pistol. There’s a reason Glock designed a partially cocked trigger.
I think at some point this is going to be ruled not legal for IDPA competition. I’m sure the people making the rules are currently not aware of the mechanical changes internally, and that the drop safety is now disconnected from the seer in the Timney. In a stock trigger the rear of the crucifix at the back of the trigger bar is what functions as a seer. The Timney essentially eliminates the drop safety.
Strip your gun down again and use a punch to push down on the seer. You’ll see it can move down although the trigger bar is blocked. To me, this is an unsafe design. I had two of these triggers that I removed from my Glocks upon discovering this.
How will anything push down on the sear when the gun is assembled? The timney trigger has one less redundant safety than the stock glock trigger, but it is in line with the industry standard in precocked striker triggers. If I'm not mistaken, the same concern applies to the P320, Walther and its derivative designs, the XD, the M&P and the P10. It also is the same with any single action hammer gun or DA/SA guns in SA mode.
@@jackwicker In theory, correct, nothing should push down on the seer when the gun is assembled. But due to inertia or worn parts, bad things can happen, and I don’t believe it’s ever a good idea to remove a safety feature that’s inherent to the design. The 320 was designed from the ground up to work as it does, the Glock was designed differently. Personally, I would rather carry a Glock than a 320, I just like my boys too much, but I wouldn’t carry a Glock with a Timmy trigger either. It may be fine for competition use, but under IDPA rules, it should not be allowed.
@@jcnikoley I feel like saying that the 320 was designed from the ground up to work as it does isn't really saying much. It's a derivative of the P250 and other striker guns before that. All mainstream production guns are highly derivative of previous designs. The fact that the Timney modifies the Glock to conform to design principles used by a large fraction of its competitors doesn't really make me think it's likely to be unsafe. After all, Johnny Glocks has given it his go-ahead. I don't think the Timney is suitable for carry, but I don't think that the reason its unsuitable is safety concerns. Rather, I just think it's unwise to carry a gun with a trigger pull weight under 4.5lbs for defensive use, IWB or otherwise.
@@jackwicker We could probably spin our wheels all day debating on whether the Timney design is safe or not.
The point is, you cannot alter the fundamental design and delete a safety feature of a firearm and have it still be legal for IDPA. The Timney removes two critical design features, the “safe action”/double action, and the drop safety. I can’t believe the person at IDPA HQ that signed off on this has any understanding of the mechanics of what’s happening inside of the gun.
@@jcnikoley I mean, it's IDPA. I doubt anyone at IDPA HQ has any understanding of anything.
I’m liking it. Always used stock triggers and never cared for any aftermarket. This one is definitely innovative. Which is not easy with Glocks.
I did have some light primer strikes and had to remove a little material off the top of the trigger bar (where the striker slides over). The striker can drag slightly on some of them which slows it down. Little file and polish took care of it.
Unless I'm mistaken, isn't the top of the trigger bar meant to catch the striker in the event that it's unintentionally released by the sear? Kind of as a replacement to the drop safety on a traditional Glock trigger
@@shootinbruin3614 All the safety’s are the same. This one just doesn’t push the striker back that last millimeter. It still has ahold of the striker. The safety plunger would have to fail to have any drop issue.
@@appliedperformance773 Agree, but the specific thing I was thinking of was taking material off the bottom of the Timney trigger bar (where it pushes down against the sear to make it release the striker) instead of the top. This allows the clearance you need to have the striker leg clear the top of the bar.
Taking a little off the bottom instead of the top will increase the pretravel a little bit, but the benefit would be having the trigger bar remain tall enough when at rest to act as a redundant block to the striker in the event the sear lets it go during a drop. I think having the bar act as block in addition to the safety plunger was the original intent, hence it's height. I could definitely be wrong though.
Love your channel man. Shaved three-tenths off my draw from following your advice. Thanks for everything you share in your videos.
@@shootinbruin3614 The top won’t make any difference but the back edge definitely will. The striker is resting against the back edge so the top back corner is left alone. Polishing the top surface won’t affect any safety. Just leaving the actual engagement point alone. Once the striker is let go, it’s gone. There’s nothing left to stop it.
@@shootinbruin3614 Appreciate the support man!
In Europe we have only ZEVs trigers.. but so many glock shooters
Installed the Timney Alpha into my Glock 19 5th gen and it turned my gun into a paper weight. Light strikes and wont fire a single round. Buyers beware
Im having the same problem. Didn't have enough time after work to figure out what's going on yet. Definitely not a plug and play upgrade.
I just ordered the Glock Precision Trigger for my 26gen5. I went that route because it's OEM parts, vs aftermarket. Reliability plus doesn't void the mfg warranty. We'll see how it works out
Just had this trigger installed by a certified Glock Armorerlast weekend, went to the range today and had light and no primer strike on 11 out of 17 rounds any thoughts. He used the lighter spring
Anyone that competes in sandals can’t be wrong, thanks!
Trying to figure out how to get traction in that range
Just bought one. I'm hoping it's as good as everyone says it is
Is it??
@@danielh5397 the break and feel is amazing. However, the reset feels weak. Very disappointed in the reset. But when I shoot fast, I don't really notice the reset--and from that you can tell I cannot shoot 0.12 splits lol.
I'd give it a 9/10. Taking off a full point because of bad reset, jow much of a pain in the ass it makes removing and inserting the trigger assembly, and how debugging I needed to do to reduce the light strikes I get--turned out to be the after market connector.
@@vmanshooting dang, so it doesn't do much for faster splits?
@@danielh5397 I'm not good enough to know lol. I gotta manage recoil better first
My kids like Caniks a lot. But I carry Glocks because their slides are the hardest steel you can get on a gun, and I sharpen my knife on it when I'm out farting around hunting etc. I'm still rockin an original Glock P80 and g27, bone stock.
Shooting with sandals on, my kind of style sir 👌🏽 awesome video as always
Precocked strikers are neat. I really hope glock gets around to bringing the G46 to the American commercial market. It seems like pretty much the perfect "wouldn't that be cool" glock.
-g19 size
-even lower bore axis (kinda a meme but still neat)
-rotating barrel
-precocked striker
-disassembly without pulling trigger
-flatter trigger shoe
-longer beavertail
-more undercut trigger guard
-designed to hold up to major power factor level pressures over a long service life
Sound almost like Walther PPQ except it’s slight high bore axis and rotating barrel (Beretta PX4)
Thank you for info
Great video. Fully cocked striker spring does give me pause
Mine is super gritty and pauses on the resets. I have to take my finger completely off it on the reset and let it creep itself forward. Had a Glock armorer put it in also.
FYI, the TTI grandmaster spring kit and a trigger polish job gets the trigger down to a reliable 3.25 pounds for about $60 🤷🏻♂️
Character of the trigger isn’t quite as good
@@TheHumbleMarksman Agree, but for $60, it’s not bad. 👍🏼
Thanks for you time and informative video
5:24 DANG …look at that trigger finger!(just sayin)
As usual an outstanding brief. Would you consider doing a comparison of the Timney against the Pontoon Tacical/Boogy man trigger. Of course for competition reasons only as that is what I am looking for. You are the best answer to not being able to try it before you buy it. Thank you again.
There were a large batch that weren’t manufactured to spec. It would cause light primer strikers. Had to do a little sanding and polishing to get mine to work.
interesting - I heard a lot of people have issues - this one just works for me.
You better not have a problem with it. I had a problem with my 10/22 trigger. I called them 3 times. I emailed them 3 times. They never responded. Brownells took it back, no questions asked.
Your trigger pin walkin'.
I like that trigger I thought about upgrading my glock 43x but idk yet
i like how every video i watched on the timney trigger didnt mention these issues, i of course just picked one up for my Glock 19 gen 4, have yet to install it an randomly come across this video. i carry my Glock for work , should i possibly attempt to return it ?
Great video - AA
As long as ALL the safeties are functional, I see no reason not to carry it. It seems like saying you like pulling the striker back the rest of the way, but why would you like that? Trigger discipline safety? Reholstering safety-since for DA guys and Glock “gadget-flipper-thingy” guys, I could see preferring the safety of reholstering. I rarely reholstering my carry gun and don’t carry AIWB.
Glock Performance Trigger. Straight.
So it's not a game changer..lol still would like to try one
Wondering if I got a lemon. Mine added creep, no wall at all, and soft spongy reset. I'd rather save 160 bucks and have a defined trigger.
Have you tried using the johnny glocks competition trigger? Which would you prefere between that and the timney?
Silver or red return spring ?
I was actually just asking around about this kit.
is there a chance of the Timney alpha competition for glock 19 gen 5, to disarm the firing pin due to a drop from a chest height? Once this trigger makes the gun to get full coked (I mean 100% of the firing on the set ready strike position)...
So this trigger holds the firing in the rear position. When pulling trigger the sear lets it go. This means you have a loaded firearm thats cocked and you have no safety at all. usually the firing pin is forward and the Glock safe Action is in place. As its pulled back during trigger pull. So this completely removes the safe action. This is like carrying a 1911 cocked and not locked.
Except still has trigger safety and firing pin block
This guy brought sandals to a competition lol what a flex
That was expirimenting to see if those soles got traction - it’s nearly an ice skating rink in there
Humble Marksman, which trigger do you use in your competition Glock & carry Glock?
The gen5 stock trigger isn't that bad. I installed a Ranger Proof aluminum shoe. I gave it a good polish to select 'internals' and it feels very smooth.
It’s a horrible trigger. OmGosh!
Put mine in and it seems very lite. Not sure i should use it as my EDC. I wasn't expecting it to make that much difference. Wondering if I installed it correctly
I got one a couple weeks ago and it shot flawlessly for the first 500 or so rounds. Since then I have had a reset issue ever since. No matter how much I clean and lube the gun. I did notice a good pit of wear on the top of the trigger shoe where the slide stop spring rubs it?
hello, I have a problem with the trigger reset, even when it was new I had this minus, now after firing not many shots, about 1000rounds, I either have to push it to come back or it comes back after more than 1-2 seconds, or it doesn't come back. Who can help me with advice to fix this discomfort.
Hi nice review! BTW what sights are you using? thanks
Those are the ameriglos if I recall correctly
So on my gen 3 Glocks I did the .25 cent trigger job, installed Zev competition spring kit and 3.5# connector, it makes a helluva difference without spending $150.00 or so on an aftermarket trigger.
Doesn't matter what you did, there are pro shooters who have been shooting gucci Glock's for years and this trigger is apparently stupid good.
@@Osprey1994 it does matter to me, have you tried it? My buddy has a a timney trigger, can’t tell the difference between the two.
I'm surprised the trigger didn't cut down on your pre and overtravel. I preordered the gen 5 for my stock 34 and it cut travel in half and dropped the pull to about 3 lbs. I like the trigger but I'm not overly impressed by it. Not sure if I'll add it to any of my other glocks or not at this point.
I have heard Timney is now sending 2 trigger springs with their kits to help the reset issues.
Just got my Timney in, it did have two trigger springs.....put the highest weight one in and still had some trigger bar reseting issues. But, then I found a video on Timneys site saying that the factory connector bar is bent to far out on some pistols and causes too much pressure on the trigger bar, which can cause reset issues as well. So I adjusted the angle on the connector bar as suggested, lubed it properly, and boom works like a dream. My only concern is what will happen with a long range day, and soot building up on the trigger/connector bars. I will definitely have to keep an eye on it. I almost wish Timney would provide a third spring, with a higher pressure. I know this would increase the pull. But I would be fine with like a 3.5lb pull, if it would guarantee the trigger bar reset.
Bro have you checked out Johnny glocks timney improvement the reset is minuscule maybe the perfect mash up
Love your input here. I know you know you're way around a glock so how do you feel about its potential to circumvent the drop safety or at least minimize its intention.
All of the glock safeties are effective with the trigger - but- rather than being partially cocked striker it's fully cocked. So the cruciform sits on the shelf, the trigger tab works, and the firing pin block has to be disengaged - same as the OEM system - but rather than rearward travel cocking the striker and releasing it - it just releases.
@@TheHumbleMarksman sooo cocked and locked but a striker fired version. When Johnny glocks explained the spring tension on the sear I was a little apprehensive. Seems like a step away from a New York trigger.
@@genehanna3977 The sear is in their new trigger housing insert - there is a spring pushing the lug up that interfaces with the striker - so it won't fall unless the cruciform moves to the rear and drops it. It's a clever design - but not why I signed up for the glock action.
@@TheHumbleMarksman I know this thread has been out here for a while. Have you had any issues with this trigger so far? I see so many people talk about reset issues. But then I see several others say the trigger is awesome.
A better trigger will allow you to shoot better, but it will not make your trigger squeeze better. I think if you can’t pick up a gun without shooting point of aim, get a different gun. It shouldn’t take thousands of rounds and getting the perfect grip for you to shoot good. Odds are in a defensive situation, you won’t be able to get that perfect grip or be able to focus on the perfect trigger squeeze.
Someone please tell me if I'm wrong, but don't M&Ps have a pre cocked striker?
My initial impressions of the Timney alpha trigger is that it kind of changes the Glock trigger into something more similar to a M&P trigger.
Nice sandals
I tried this trigger for a Gen 5 Glock. Would not reset reliably . Sent it back to Timney and soon thereafter received a new trigger and had same reset problems. Trigger was installed correctly, so not sure what the issue is with this trigger, but a big disappointment.
It's the ambi- slide release, it rubs against the trigger bar causing a delayed / sluggish reset >>
I also used the red spring and had issues.
Nice 👍
Worth
Why can't more companies make stock guns with triggers like the canik
Does the pre-cocked striker conversion render the SCD basically non-functional? If the striker is fully cocked and has no rearward travel, I cannot imagine that the SCD works for its intended purpose.
Nevermind, just hit 6:30 in the video.
How do you compare it to the Apex Tactical flat faced trigger?
And to let you know if you have a reduced firing pin spring forget about it. lol. LPS all day.
what is the no1 glock upgrade
I‘ve installed the trigger in my glock 17 gen5 all other parts are stock, installed is the minus connctor. Now i have a trigger pull weight around 6lbs not the promised 3lbs. In my gen 4 with timney trigger i reach around 3lbs.
Does somebody have an idea to fix that issue
I replaced my stock 34 trigger with this and …Yes it did make me a better shooter. Jus sayn
Is it as dependable as the Glock stock trigger . Can I use it for my carry Glock. Coz I depend on It to keep me safe
I would get the Glock OEM performance trigger before this one
Why in other videos have I seen the gen 3/4 have no creep and the gen 5 here has a bit of creep?
Tolerance stacking perhaps? Or being pulled by someone who doesn’t recognize it?
You will not regret buying this trigger.
Jest ordered one on May 2nd from timney since I heard wat the atf is guna do I messaged them they said it’ll take about 3 more weeks b4 I get it☹️
I have a 43x for my edc and looking to upgrade the trigger. With Glock already having a heavier connector will this still maintain a heavier pull weight or will it drop it to the 2.5-3.5 range?
There are lots of other striker fired guns that have a single action/pre-cocked striker, and they’re perfectly safe for carry. The XD lineup, any Canik, some of the Taurus models, etc.
What co-witness iron sights is on the glock?
Recall you liking larger dots (6 MOA?). Which Holosun 407/507 are you using here? Don’t see any options for larger dots in their 407/507 sized footprint except for the 407-CO which I can’t find yet, and that’s a circle, not a solid dot (which I still want to try).
I am using a 507C on that gun. Not my favorite - not horrible - but not preferred.
Which reticle do you prefer on the 507c?
You better off just going with the Glock performance trigger now for a hundred bucks it's basically the timney but better.
So the pyramid trigger kit is still better than this because it does have a substantially better reset and faster follow up shots?
They are comparable
What is that back plate???????!?!?!
Would you feel comfortable concealed carrying with that trigger
Ok should have finished the video first
I compete a lot with a 1.5 pound trigger - I could do it with this but it’s not my preference
Definitely do not carry this trigger for EDC. This is a competition / range system. High stress situations and poor trigger discipline can be a disaster when you press out. Johnny Glock can help with a combat trigger or Apex etc etc.
@@Balticblue93 then get training. its a 3lb trigger, people with your fearful mindset and lack of knowledge spread disinformation. Many LE/MIL CONTRACTs carry this already.
All I know is I can shoot my Caniks better than my Glocks. I want a Canik trigger in my Glock! Is this trigger the answer?
I have a ghost 3.5 connector (just the standard one) in my Glock 17 gen 5. If I install this trigger would you use the factory connector or the ghost 3.5? Or will it make a difference? To be honest I can’t tell much of a difference between them with the stock trigger. It made a difference in my g26 but did pretty much nothing in my g17 gen 5.
I have no clue - play with it and see which you like better?
Just installed mine today. It comes with 2 return springs, the red one is for use with aftermarket connectors, the "normal" spring for stock connectors. Everything else is the same.
That is a great competition trigger...
Is it possible to just change the trigger shoe on glocks? I just want one with a red safety tab.. if so, recommend any brands to research
tactical pontoon and overwatch precision might be able to help.
Will this trigger work with Gen 5 glocks only?
Dunno I think they have generation specific models
What's up with the slide back plate? Open and closing on dry fire?
It’s got a striker control device - look up my video on it - it’s a device that lets you holster a Glock safely
Hey man, I just got mine last week, did timney fixed the drop safe issue on these?
No isea
Is it legal in IDPA for CO ??
possibly? All three safeties technically still work.
@@TheHumbleMarksman
IDPA rulebook says
4. Internal action work may be used to enhance trigger pull as
long as safety is maintained (no visible external modifications
allowed).
I think this is a bit of a gray area here. Does the Timney count as a visible external modification? I know people that own this trigger and participated even in the national IDPA competition in my country but since the IDPA rulebook is a bit iffy I can't say for sure that they actually checked the gun properly. I'm a new shooter looking to buy the Timney however I want to be able to shoot it at international events (IDPA) without any issues.