@@jasondangers hey mate sorry I’m not up to date with the Denali weights. I guess just find out GVM, Tare, max axle weights to start with and see who is offering what in upgrades.
I think you will find the chev and gmc with independent front end would not have the upgrade capability as the fords and rams. In the 2500 and 3500 ranges
I’m enjoying this series. I tow with an Isuzu NPS and American trucks are a bit os a mystery to me, I had always assumed that the right hand drive conversion was done in a standard way. You said you would cover modification in more detail in episode 4 but I just wanted to mention something that seems to confuse many people. A light vehicle is anything with a registered GVM under 4.5T, a truck is anything with a registered GVM over 4.5T. These vehicles are governed by different rules regarding modifications. Light vehicle engineers are state based - approved by the local state rego authority. Trucks, in all states other than WA and NT, are administered by the National Heavy Vehicle Regulator (NHVR). A modification that may be legal on a truck might not be approved for a car and vice versa, also some mods on a truck like say a towbar install, need an engineers report and a mod plate when on a light vehicle they do not. You can use any NHVR accredited engineer to inspect and approve your modification, this engineer can be in say Qld, while your truck is registered in NSW. This is important because it means you can use an engineer who is familiar with your truck and the modification you want to make. This can mean way less hassles. A local engineer may tell you something is impossible while another may have already approved this for someone else and be able to approve it no problem.
The advantage of having a 2500 with a gvm upgrade over a 3500 is when you drive empty the ride in the 2500 coil rear is more comfortable as it's not as stiff as the factory leafs in the 3500. They have the same axles/calipers in the 2500 and 3500 so you can get 5800gvm out of a late model 2500 which is the same as your 3500.
You can’t get a GVM anymore the your max axle weight and all of those number I put up are this yrs model 2500 so sorry but you are incorrect. Also I have had both 2500 and 3500 and I reckon the 3500 in a better ride however not with a tub.
Monster off road do a 5800 gvm and 3175 axle upgrade on current 2500 ram I don’t know if good or bad ? but they do advertise that they do post reg and pre reg is coming 👍👍👌
@@billstanford1725 that’s a 20k upgrade that seems alittle dodgy as the don’t actually change anything on the rear diff however they change the rating 🧐 which is alittle interesting and the diffs are different how the shocks mount and the springs mount of course. However if that works for someone that works. These videos are just to show the facts about the vehicles
Great vid. Easy to get a 5.5t GVM with a Chevy 2500, I’ve heard of more but have no info, my GCM is 12,474kg. Payload is just over 1,700kg. Also the RAM 2500 suspension tends to be a bit more inboard and wobbly with weight on with the airbag models, the Chevy feels rock solid.
@@TheTripleDubya hey mate yeah Chevy 2500 max axle load is comes to 5500kg. Yeah I found the Ram 2500 was alittle boaty with a lot of weight the lead rear end in the 3500 and Chev is better
Dave from American drive line needs to update his advertising, he has the brands as Chev, Dodge and Ford. The thing is, Dodge has had nothing to do with Ram’s for nearly 15 years. The last Dodge made Ram was the third generation.
I cannot believe how many people think it’s a good idea to tow 3.5 T with Thai built dual cabs, SUV’s ect. I even don’t think it is a good idea to use a Patrol or 300 series either full time. Yes the manufacturers say you can but I don’t think it is safe.
I’d have to agree for full time towning, short stints can be ok providing you do everything you can to make them as and they can be… upgrading and lots of it!
Questions for the Ram Average fuel usage you get and it can be combined, towing and exploring without the van? Average AdBlue usage? Have you had any DPF and SCR concerns? Have you had any gearbox concerns? What is the milage on the Ram now? Glad to see the Cape trip was a self inflicted wound, the damage in your video is a bit unclear for me, fan blades, radiator, serpentine belt is what was clear, it seemed you had renewed the visco fan unit and a tensioner? Wading in deep water is a skill without a radiator muff todays 4x4 ‘s have no thought put into that to assist the driver/owner. Sorry will keep it short 😂😂😂 I have so much more to ask. Cheers Johnny&Rene
@@johnnyclark4548 Hey guys! Average is going up in the next episodes however towing 18-23LPH and not towing 15-17LPH of course they all depend on weight and terrain however we will go more in depth in an episode. DPF yeah I don’t like them haha Transmission is the weakest part of the drive train however I have had upgrades from G&L Performance: deeper pan, hydro bypass, billet valving, tuned, changed friction pads on the over drive. Yeah it was self inflicted however I have done so many water crossings before with out a drama even that day it was my 3rd. Needed a new fan, radiator and also changed the tensioner, some pulleys and the belt just because of how remote we were. No dramas guys happy to answer any questions long or short hahaha 🤙
@@roamin_in_a_ramawesome mods on the trans. Whom did your trans tuning? We are about to pick up our 3500 and do our first trip within days after receiving her. After that I will do all the easy stuff not going to pull the gearbox and we wont be running as heavy as you. I cant wait to pick her up. Looking forward to your next episode. Cheers Johnny&Rene
@@johnnyclark4548 thanks mate!! All my mechanical and tuning is through Reece and Benny from G&L Performance in Jimboomba QLD or someone they recommend if I’m too far away. Would definitely ringing them if you have any questions they are the BEST in Australia.
It’s amazing how many people with vehicles bigger then 1500’s shit can them and say they are just like the rest of the smaller twin cabs. My triton has a greater payload than my Ram 1500 but in no way shape or form does it tow my 2.5T boat or float as well as the 1500. Instead of trying to put people/ cars down, they should really keep the conversation around getting the vehicle that suits your needs. The 1500 might be the common smaller ute in the US but doesn’t mean it’s the same as the common smaller Ute in OZ even if the payload is the same or smaller.
@@roamin_in_a_ram@roamin_in_a_ram can't say I am though 😉 One thing that I've learnt recently was that to fix my oil leak, the whole cab body has to be lifted off to get to the engine! F250
By the time your exceeding 1700kg of payload you should be reconsidering a completely different vehicle or the amount of shit your carting around. You would look at the NPS/Canter/Hino, they give you 7.5t gvm, 11t gcm, and a bit over 3.5t payload as standard. You also get a bigger tray (a dual cab gives you a 3.6m tray) also parts are easier to get then an American Ute, and mechanics will actually work on them. There is a downside, they aren’t as comfortable both interior and ride quality. But if your wanting to take way too much gear it’s one of the only Legal and safe ways of doing it
@@SUPERTRUCKER166 why 1700kg?? Why not 1000kg or 1800kg 😂 We tow 4.5T not 3.5T so less payload plus and bigger tray/canopy/longer chassis = more weight 300kg+ in material. Yes parts are some what easier however we have lots of friends touring in these trucks and they still wait the same 7days as us for parts and just because they can work on it doesn’t mean you should use them haha Yes they aren’t as comfortable so I guess we can choose to be comfortable??? To much gear haha ?? We take what we want why is that bad or to much??
What about the fact that the fuel economy is way worse, like ram towing over 4t is like 20lt per 100 and the nps is like 30lt and about 1/10th of the power. Not saying I do not love the full size trucks over the American trucks.
@@Lets_go_troopin rubbish. A 2500 or 3500 is in the 20L+/100km mark not towing, especially once you bolt all the crap on. My NPS averages 16-17 not towing and 25 towing 4.5t. And my gross is around 6t give or take depending if I have the 400L of onboard water and 580L of diesel full or not.
@SUPERTRUCKER166 I have a ram 2500 not as big as these boys and have a gcm loaded of 6.3t and I tow 19 freeways and up to 23 In the hills. I would have got an nps but my wife wanted the comfit for big trips lol
Hey, you guys should look outside your box before you disrespect people who buy 1500’s. Not everyone lives on the road like Gypsies & don’t have to carry a garage on the back of there vehicle. Maybe keep your bromance & admiration for each other between yourselves.
@@CraigMcDowell-i6h disrespect???? did you even watch it I said I really like 1500’s however they can’t carry the weight I have and that as soon as I done travelling I will be buying 1500 🤣🤣
@@roamin_in_a_ram think you should also watch your video again as I didn’t hear any respect in your commentary in the first few minutes so stopped watching. So your saying you stick it in early & then take it back. Maybe you should plan more & have less add lib if that was your intention…
Might be the first then I know I say it somewhere hahah however we have done a lot of recording. Sorry don’t really understand what you’re saying? At the end of the day I don’t say anything disrespectful I’m just saying facts however it looks like I hit a nerve. Have a nice day 👍
@@CraigMcDowell-i6hit’s always difficult to read tone through messages. It was easy for me to interpret your comments as an insult, I only responded to reassure you I meant no disrespect and love the 1500s which I said in the video. Can’t please everyone but hopefully others don’t misinterpret a video intended purely for informational purposes.
Well,well,well (3wells) . So , my understanding is that you both ended up buying 3500 class trucks and then still had to do GVM upgrades , airbags etc. !!! Why did you both buy a truck that couldn’t do the job , you needed it to do ? Why didn’t you both buy , let’s say a 4500 class or even a 5500 class ? (What about an F650 or F750, no that’s silly, what was I thinking?) I , like everyone else out there , will continue doing my own research (Hey, thanks for that hot tip!) and purchase the vehicle that best meets my needs and wallet while still maintaining the upmost safety . Hence I have chosen a 1500 class (utility sedan/shopping trolley) with a max. towing capacity of 4500kg , I intend to tow 3500kg . If , after adding accessories front to rear , water , fuel , solar , boat , outboard , people , food and dog 🐶 , I will most likely , just like you , get a 🥁🪄🎺GVM🎉🍾☄️ upgrade to best suit my needs and safety requirements . Hey , guess what ? If I only wanted to tow 2750kg/3000kg , I would buy a Ranger etc. !!! Arrr yooze pickin’ up wot I’m puttin’ down . By the way , I’ll be getting a 5.0 F150 , I’ll look FORD to meeting up with you both on a Quarter mile of beach next year . I’ll be blowin’ ya doors off for all of the little 1500 utes and all those smaller , EAT MY SAND , pfffft . After I beat you both on the sand , we might have a pissin’ competition , it’s obvious you’ve been practicing together, Hafukityha 😂😂😂
What is the rear axle load rating on the RAM 3500?
@@OTR-19 3175kg for the rear axle
And thinking of doing a 3500 denali build do you think i can get my weights up with the denali tia
@@jasondangers hey mate sorry I’m not up to date with the Denali weights. I guess just find out GVM, Tare, max axle weights to start with and see who is offering what in upgrades.
I think you will find the chev and gmc with independent front end would not have the upgrade capability as the fords and rams. In the 2500 and 3500 ranges
Great insight guys keep up the vids
@@jasondangers cheers mate 🤙 Thank you!!
I’m enjoying this series. I tow with an Isuzu NPS and American trucks are a bit os a mystery to me, I had always assumed that the right hand drive conversion was done in a standard way.
You said you would cover modification in more detail in episode 4 but I just wanted to mention something that seems to confuse many people.
A light vehicle is anything with a registered GVM under 4.5T, a truck is anything with a registered GVM over 4.5T. These vehicles are governed by different rules regarding modifications. Light vehicle engineers are state based - approved by the local state rego authority. Trucks, in all states other than WA and NT, are administered by the National Heavy Vehicle Regulator (NHVR).
A modification that may be legal on a truck might not be approved for a car and vice versa, also some mods on a truck like say a towbar install, need an engineers report and a mod plate when on a light vehicle they do not.
You can use any NHVR accredited engineer to inspect and approve your modification, this engineer can be in say Qld, while your truck is registered in NSW. This is important because it means you can use an engineer who is familiar with your truck and the modification you want to make. This can mean way less hassles. A local engineer may tell you something is impossible while another may have already approved this for someone else and be able to approve it no problem.
The advantage of having a 2500 with a gvm upgrade over a 3500 is when you drive empty the ride in the 2500 coil rear is more comfortable as it's not as stiff as the factory leafs in the 3500. They have the same axles/calipers in the 2500 and 3500 so you can get 5800gvm out of a late model 2500 which is the same as your 3500.
You can’t get a GVM anymore the your max axle weight and all of those number I put up are this yrs model 2500 so sorry but you are incorrect. Also I have had both 2500 and 3500 and I reckon the 3500 in a better ride however not with a tub.
Monster off road do a 5800 gvm and 3175 axle upgrade on current 2500 ram I don’t know if good or bad ? but they do advertise that they do post reg and pre reg is coming 👍👍👌
@@billstanford1725 that’s a 20k upgrade that seems alittle dodgy as the don’t actually change anything on the rear diff however they change the rating 🧐 which is alittle interesting and the diffs are different how the shocks mount and the springs mount of course.
However if that works for someone that works. These videos are just to show the facts about the vehicles
@@roamin_in_a_ram that’s all good bud I’m really enjoying you guys take on the American trucks 👍👍👍👍👍👍
@@billstanford1725thanks mate 🤙
Great vid.
Easy to get a 5.5t GVM with a Chevy 2500, I’ve heard of more but have no info, my GCM is 12,474kg. Payload is just over 1,700kg.
Also the RAM 2500 suspension tends to be a bit more inboard and wobbly with weight on with the airbag models, the Chevy feels rock solid.
@@TheTripleDubya hey mate yeah Chevy 2500 max axle load is comes to 5500kg. Yeah I found the Ram 2500 was alittle boaty with a lot of weight the lead rear end in the 3500 and Chev is better
Awesome episode guys and so interesting on the weights for the different models! Sick looking trucks legends!🙌🏽
@@GrabLifeByTheGourlays thanks mate 🤙
Dave from American drive line needs to update his advertising, he has the brands as Chev, Dodge and Ford. The thing is, Dodge has had nothing to do with Ram’s for nearly 15 years. The last Dodge made Ram was the third generation.
@@Dazza-u4c there are still Dodge Cars mate
Hey bud who build the canopy on you ram ,thanks in advance and really enjoying the vids ,happy travels Bill👍👍👍
@@billstanford1725 hey mate thanks!! It’s a Concept Canopy there will be a full walk around coming soon
Good vid lads 👌
@@Mr_O-xx thanks mate
I cannot believe how many people think it’s a good idea to tow 3.5 T with Thai built dual cabs, SUV’s ect. I even don’t think it is a good idea to use a Patrol or 300 series either full time.
Yes the manufacturers say you can but I don’t think it is safe.
I’d have to agree for full time towning, short stints can be ok providing you do everything you can to make them as and they can be… upgrading and lots of it!
Patrols and 300 series fine after max GVM upgrades?
Questions for the Ram
Average fuel usage you get and it can be combined, towing and exploring without the van?
Average AdBlue usage?
Have you had any DPF and SCR concerns?
Have you had any gearbox concerns?
What is the milage on the Ram now?
Glad to see the Cape trip was a self inflicted wound, the damage in your video is a bit unclear for me, fan blades, radiator, serpentine belt is what was clear, it seemed you had renewed the visco fan unit and a tensioner?
Wading in deep water is a skill without a radiator muff todays 4x4 ‘s have no thought put into that to assist the driver/owner.
Sorry will keep it short 😂😂😂 I have so much more to ask.
Cheers
Johnny&Rene
@@johnnyclark4548 Hey guys!
Average is going up in the next episodes however towing 18-23LPH and not towing 15-17LPH of course they all depend on weight and terrain however we will go more in depth in an episode. DPF yeah I don’t like them haha
Transmission is the weakest part of the drive train however I have had upgrades from G&L Performance: deeper pan, hydro bypass, billet valving, tuned, changed friction pads on the over drive.
Yeah it was self inflicted however I have done so many water crossings before with out a drama even that day it was my 3rd. Needed a new fan, radiator and also changed the tensioner, some pulleys and the belt just because of how remote we were. No dramas guys happy to answer any questions long or short hahaha 🤙
@@roamin_in_a_ramawesome mods on the trans. Whom did your trans tuning? We are about to pick up our 3500 and do our first trip within days after receiving her. After that I will do all the easy stuff not going to pull the gearbox and we wont be running as heavy as you. I cant wait to pick her up.
Looking forward to your next episode.
Cheers
Johnny&Rene
@@johnnyclark4548 thanks mate!! All my mechanical and tuning is through Reece and Benny from G&L Performance in Jimboomba QLD or someone they recommend if I’m too far away. Would definitely ringing them if you have any questions they are the BEST in Australia.
It’s amazing how many people with vehicles bigger then 1500’s shit can them and say they are just like the rest of the smaller twin cabs.
My triton has a greater payload than my Ram 1500 but in no way shape or form does it tow my 2.5T boat or float as well as the 1500.
Instead of trying to put people/ cars down, they should really keep the conversation around getting the vehicle that suits your needs.
The 1500 might be the common smaller ute in the US but doesn’t mean it’s the same as the common smaller Ute in OZ even if the payload is the same or smaller.
DPF or no DPF? 🤔😉
All legal here mate
@@roamin_in_a_ram@roamin_in_a_ram can't say I am though 😉
One thing that I've learnt recently was that to fix my oil leak, the whole cab body has to be lifted off to get to the engine! F250
@@baumie461yeah that’s the shit part about FTrucks and engine is currently out haha doing my lifters and cam
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By the time your exceeding 1700kg of payload you should be reconsidering a completely different vehicle or the amount of shit your carting around.
You would look at the NPS/Canter/Hino, they give you 7.5t gvm, 11t gcm, and a bit over 3.5t payload as standard. You also get a bigger tray (a dual cab gives you a 3.6m tray) also parts are easier to get then an American Ute, and mechanics will actually work on them.
There is a downside, they aren’t as comfortable both interior and ride quality. But if your wanting to take way too much gear it’s one of the only
Legal and safe ways of doing it
@@SUPERTRUCKER166
why 1700kg?? Why not 1000kg or 1800kg 😂
We tow 4.5T not 3.5T so less payload
plus and bigger tray/canopy/longer chassis = more weight 300kg+ in material. Yes parts are some what easier however we have lots of friends touring in these trucks and they still wait the same 7days as us for parts and just because they can work on it doesn’t mean you should use them haha
Yes they aren’t as comfortable so I guess we can choose to be comfortable???
To much gear haha ??
We take what we want why is that bad or to much??
What about the fact that the fuel economy is way worse, like ram towing over 4t is like 20lt per 100 and the nps is like 30lt and about 1/10th of the power. Not saying I do not love the full size trucks over the American trucks.
@@Lets_go_troopin rubbish. A 2500 or 3500 is in the 20L+/100km mark not towing, especially once you bolt all the crap on. My NPS averages 16-17 not towing and 25 towing 4.5t. And my gross is around 6t give or take depending if I have the 400L of onboard water and 580L of diesel full or not.
@SUPERTRUCKER166 I have a ram 2500 not as big as these boys and have a gcm loaded of 6.3t and I tow 19 freeways and up to 23 In the hills.
I would have got an nps but my wife wanted the comfit for big trips lol
@SUPERTRUCKER166 mine tuned av 14 to 15 Lt per 100. Can get it down to like 10.5 on freeways not towning with 35s
Hey, you guys should look outside your box before you disrespect people who buy 1500’s. Not everyone lives on the road like Gypsies & don’t have to carry a garage on the back of there vehicle. Maybe keep your bromance & admiration for each other between yourselves.
@@CraigMcDowell-i6h disrespect???? did you even watch it I said I really like 1500’s however they can’t carry the weight I have and that as soon as I done travelling I will be buying 1500 🤣🤣
@@roamin_in_a_ram think you should also watch your video again as I didn’t hear any respect in your commentary in the first few minutes so stopped watching. So your saying you stick it in early & then take it back. Maybe you should plan more & have less add lib if that was your intention…
Might be the first then I know I say it somewhere hahah however we have done a lot of recording. Sorry don’t really understand what you’re saying?
At the end of the day I don’t say anything disrespectful I’m just saying facts however it looks like I hit a nerve. Have a nice day 👍
No nerves hit, if you can’t see the disrespect probably why your now trying to be condescending 😢 Happy to leave it there… up to you
@@CraigMcDowell-i6hit’s always difficult to read tone through messages. It was easy for me to interpret your comments as an insult, I only responded to reassure you I meant no disrespect and love the 1500s which I said in the video. Can’t please everyone but hopefully others don’t misinterpret a video intended purely for informational purposes.
Well,well,well (3wells) . So , my understanding is that you both ended up buying 3500 class trucks and then still had to do GVM upgrades , airbags etc. !!! Why did you both buy a truck that couldn’t do the job , you needed it to do ? Why didn’t you both buy , let’s say a 4500 class or even a 5500 class ? (What about an F650 or F750, no that’s silly, what was I thinking?)
I , like everyone else out there , will continue doing my own research (Hey, thanks for that hot tip!) and purchase the vehicle that best meets my needs and wallet while still maintaining the upmost safety . Hence I have chosen a 1500 class (utility sedan/shopping trolley) with a max. towing capacity of 4500kg , I intend to tow 3500kg .
If , after adding accessories front to rear , water , fuel , solar , boat , outboard , people , food and dog 🐶 , I will most likely , just like you , get a 🥁🪄🎺GVM🎉🍾☄️ upgrade to best suit my needs and safety requirements . Hey , guess what ? If I only wanted to tow 2750kg/3000kg , I would buy a Ranger etc. !!!
Arrr yooze pickin’ up wot I’m puttin’ down .
By the way , I’ll be getting a 5.0 F150 , I’ll look FORD to meeting up with you both on a Quarter mile of beach next year . I’ll be blowin’ ya doors off for all of the little 1500 utes and all those smaller , EAT MY SAND , pfffft . After I beat you both on the sand , we might have a pissin’ competition , it’s obvious you’ve been practicing together, Hafukityha 😂😂😂