Rolex Submariner vs Omega Seamaster Diver 300M: Luxury Dive Watch Comparison and Contrast
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The Rolex Submariner Date 126610LN is encased in 41mm of stainless steel surrounding a black dial on a stainless steel Oyster bracelet. Features of this Rolex Submariner Date include hours, minutes, seconds and date. This Rolex watch also measures 12.8mm in thickness and 48.1mm from lug-to-lug.
The Omega Seamaster Diver 300M 210.30.42.20.01.001 is encased in 42mm of stainless steel surrounding a black ceramic laser-engraved wave dial on a black rubber strap. Features of this Omega Seamaster Diver 300M include hours, minutes, seconds and date. This Omega watch also measures 13.7mm in thickness and 50mm from lug-to-lug.
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Heart: Rolex Submariner
Brain: Omega Seamaster
Bank Account: Tudor BB58 🤷🏻♂️
If Tudor does a bb58 with a date... that decision could be way easier.
Hans Wilsdorf thanks you for your money ;-)
Seiko king Samurai.... and a wetsuit, speargun,fins, dive bag etc etc
I got the blue 58
@@rolliefan4133 I own the Seamaster, but I have to say I love the Tudor GMT aka Pepsi as well as the Blue Tudor Pelegos.
I have both a Sub date and the Omega Seamaster 300M Black dial. I have been wanting a Rolex Submariner for 30 years and finally pulled the trigger. I am not disappointed, but I think I built up the Sub to a much higher expectation than it deserves. Now having owned the Omega for 6 months and the Sub for about 6 weeks, I feel like they both are very different watches yet designed for the same thing. I have always liked the sub and the fact that it has stayed true to its original design. It is smaller, lighter, and thinner than I expected. I was expecting to put on a tank watch and honestly it feels a bit dainty compared to the solid feel of the Omega Seamaster. I will say, I love the sub with the oyster bracelet. That makes the watch, yet it does scratch way too easy vs the Omega. I purchased the SMP on a bracelet and then bought the rubber strap. The SMP bracelet is very sturdy, but a bit outdated for me. Much like the jubilee bracelet. In fact, if the sub came with a jubilee, like the GMT, I would not have liked it. It would takeaway from the tool/masculine sport look. The sub on a rubber strap looks ridiculous with the block case. The SMP on the rubber strap looks and feels incredible. A truly cool tool/masculine dress up or down sport watch. Bottom line, I have always wanted both and now I have both. I will say if I could do it all over again, I would just purchase the SMP and I would be happy for the next 20 years. The positive is you don't lose money on a Rolex. I never plan on selling my SMP, but may move on my Sub to try the Rolex Explorer II 2021 version and the GMT Batman someday (oyster bracelet). . Pound for pound the SMP holds its' own and has a lot more technology and features. AR coating is a big difference. It makes the wave dial look awesome and very visible. The non-cyclops date at the bottom almost unnoticed allows for better symmetry. The accuracy on both of my watches is +1 seconds so that is the same. The Omega can be worn as a daily and it looks great. Rolex you have to baby it or it will scratch and look worn quickly. The co-axial has a much longer service length and it is only $500 to service an Omega vs $1100 for a Rolex after 5-7 years. I love all of these comparisons, but I will say I get many more compliments on my Omega. True watch enthusiasts seem to know Omega while everyone else wonders if your Rolex is real. The Rolex mainstream branding is a blessing and a curse. I love them both and thankful I get to enjoy both. Thanks for the review
Great mini review! Tnx!
Thanks for articulating all of that. I'll probably never get a Rolex but the Omega is in my comfort range. I know they asked the question, price aside, which do you like better, but...I think it's almost impossible to not put into the mix. I like the Omega better but if you gave me one for free I'd take the Rolex. (Who doesn't want a Rolex?) Easy to go for the prestige if I'm not paying for it. But...for my hard earned money I feel like there is better "value" in the Omega. Now the question is' SMP in black or Aqua Tera in green?
@@1stamendmentmedia464 SMP in black
Welcome in club of huge expectations and small tiny watch delivered by rolex. My story is Omega Speedmaster or Rolex Daytona I was in love with speedmaster racing white dial and visited shop 3 times before pulling the trigger then I was thinking maybe I'm doing huge mistake and better is to wait one day for Rolex Daytona so I just looked around for newest replica of Daytona within few hours I found guy which offered it and 300 USD later I returned to home with perfect Daytona replica on the sport oyesterflex strap and standard bracelet in the box kind of try before buy I wanted feel rolex for few days and my first day was awesome but this watch over time everyday looks smaller and smaller dial boring white, time hard to read bracelet girlish mixed feeling with rolex something like a huge potential but something wrong till I gave my rolex to my wife to try and on petite wrist it looks perfect I was right it was watch styled for woman wrist. Now I have Omega Speedmaster Racing on my wrist and everyday I like it more.
Thank you for your comments, I have been thinking about both of these watches. Just curious if you ever found a replacement bracelet for the SMP or wear only on strap? The bracelet seems to be the Achilles’ heel many people do not like saying it doesn’t taper or too heavy. Thanks!
11:53 correction: Omega is master chronometer which has accuracy of 0-5 sec/day and not just only COSC certified.
Yeah METAS was a more involved test
We know Tim knows this, he says Metas every time he talks newer Omega. Not sure why the misspeak here. That would have been an accurate statement in regard to maybe Tag, which is not certified but frequently performs to cosc in my experience.
@@stealth938 I think that was his heart speaking, wanting the Rolex to pull away.
@@johnulmer1622 I remember him stating in another video that he is an "Omega man", and he isn't into Rolex that much, so not sure.
How did Tim miss this??
I owned both at the same time. Always chose to wear the Omega, sold the Sub.
Me too. I don't miss my 114060 one bit. Still daily the Seamaster.
Interesting.. i dont own the 300 yet.. maybe one day then i can compare it with my subby
Same. Still own both, wear the Seamaster a lot more.
I prefer the Omega because it’s carefree but I definitely notice it’s weight on my wrist, I barely notice the sub when I’m wearing it and it’s a lot more comfortable. Both have their pros and cons
Dittos, I ditched my 16610, the most boring watch I owned!
Is the Rolex worth the extra $10,000 dollars? Not in my opinion. Give me the Seamaster and throw in a Speedy
The problem is if your heart really wants a Sub, buying a Seamaster 300 will only quench the thirst for a while, and you’ll eventually still buy a Sub. So... I have the Seamaster 300mc and I love it, but I still want a Sub.
@@lewisjones3345 100% correct.
To be fair, it’s not $10,000 more - it’s about $3,500 more. Resale =/= MSRP. Availability is a problem with Rolex of course, but Rolex doesn’t charge $15,000 for the Sub... the market does
I made exactly this mistake 😂😂
@@alexpiptom are you going to get the sub next? I’m so conflicted on the Sub or the Batman next! I didn’t get the Sub and now there’s a hole in my heart. I love the Omega Seamaster 300mc, but it’s not the same. But I’m not made of money and I feel like I should get a Batman instead to build the collection.
My SMP 300 runs
My 2018 Seamaster tested at just past 64 hours of PR right after I got it. It ran for a year at +.1spd. Not a typo. Omega is conservatively rating their watches for both PR and precision. Advantage Omega.
Great comparison, thanks, Tim. I would take Seamaster, somehow kind of suffering from Rolex exhaustion. The thickness is no worries for me, maybe the Planet Ocean thickness would be. The Seamaster black dial still looks awesome to me.
Tried on the omega with the white dial at an AD a few days ago and absolutely loved it, looked great on my 7 inch wrist. As for the Submariner, I have more chance of catching a leprechaun than I do of finding a Rolex AD in London with any steel sports models to actually look at.
Word! ☝I am personally interested in the James Bond Seamaster, either 2003 or 2012 version :)
@@AKRex A great choice either way 👍
The Rolex is classic. However, $15,000 on the secondary market! that's nuts. You can buy THREE Omega 300's and still have some left over to buy an Aqua Terra. Black, Silver and White 300's and a nice blue AT all for the price of one Rolex.
I did, 38.5mm aqua terra in blue and Planet ocean. The difference went in the markets for 10 years and can buy me a rolex....that I no longer want.
Sad fact of the matter is that an Omega is effectively worthless for the typical Rolex buyer. Instagram like numbers don't compare.
@@stewester lol, always about what other people think. I don't think the omega buyer is looking for a pat on the back
@@Jay-xr3sb I'm not saying it's a positive that the Rolex buyer is motivated by social media standing, just making the observation that rational comparison between the two watches is almost meaningless because most Rolex buyers will not consider any other watch.
@@stewester why is it a sad fact that Rolex fans think omega is worthless haha, who cares.
I go with the Omega and will order mine for the incoming birthday.
Thanks for the good comparison and greetings from Germany!
Omega simply destroys Rolex!
😂😂😂😂😂
Said no one ever. I'll keep my 126610 sub over any Omega.
Lol lol
Having owned both, it’s not that simple.
@@krit5339 ok, thanks for your in depth examination and explanation. It helped no end.
So said no-one ever!
You mentioned that the Omega is only COSC certified. But in fact it’s also METAS certified. So it’s better than COSC’s -4/+6. METAS is 0/+5. Still not quite as good as Rolex’s -2/+2 but much better than COSC. I own both and the omega keeps better time generally. Not by much but it does. Thanks Tim. Great review!
I prefer the METAS tolerance of 0/+5. The watch is regulated to never run slow.
-2/+2 is a range of 4 seconds .. OMEGA METAS has range of 5 seconds but doesn’t lose time (no minus) 0/+5 ... which I prefer .. in real life both watch has the same accuracy (tested) ... TIM maybe doesn’t want to upset Rolex’s fanboys ;D
@ this is not my experience with Omega tbh, they are always like +2 or +3 I've had six or them.
@ I have 2 omega's, neither run slow.
@@alexanderbender3082 The METAS cert is new, so previous models were -4 to +6.
Omega Seamaster Pro 300m was my first luxury watch, which I had bought back in 2013 (the previous model). However, I was always itching to own a Rolex, so ended up buying the beautiful Submariner Hulk back in 2014. I was extremely lucky that it was available at a Rolex store! I had worn them both on a regular basis back then. However, the price of the Submariner Hulk on the second hand market had inflated so much that I was afraid to wear it too often. It's my subconcious mind that keeps telling me don't lose it, don't scratch it, careful when swinging my arm around objects etc! So apart from my Apple watch, the Seamaster is what I normally wear on most days. The Rolex will be worn on special occasions. I can wear the Seamaster without worrying that I'll get mugged, but I cannot say the same thing when wearing the Submariner Hulk. Having said that, without thinking about the brand, or price of the two watches, I really like looking at my Seamaster Pro more. The anti-reflective coating on the Seamaster just makes the dial stand out beautifully. I have also grown to really like the bracelet on the Seamaster and prefer this over the tapered bracelet on the Submariner. Any fans of the two watches will just need to save up and own both.
Two great sport watches. One is easily available the other is not.
Indeed. Comparison and preference is all moot if the reality is a proverbial Hobson’s choice. How about the Omega vs. a Tudor or a Seiko or a Sinn or an Oris?
And purposely so & even artificially limited to keep demand high. Smart business perhaps but I take the Seamaster every day of the week & twice on Sunday.
Nahhhhhhh! Tim my man you forgot to mention the METAS certification which makes the Omega Superior and more accurate in that regard.
My btorther, the METAS Cerification makes it way better!!!
@@angelbergthsoto5140 yes it does! And you can see the movement! I had a Submariner and it’s so annoying how it loses time everyday 2 seconds every day. After a few days it’s just annoying. On the other hand the METAS certification you don’t lose time you just gain which is much easier to adjust and if anything you will be just on time everywhere hehe
All marketing fluff. In reality the Omega coaxials are less accurate than any Rolex movement currently made.
@@Brian-ee1gx lol, no Rolex will ever pass the METAS tests
@@stefanwz5702 Lower tier Tudor passes the METAS fluff test, so Rolex would have no problem.
it's amazing how much more watch you get with Omega...the comparison is not close..Seamaster all day.
I just purchased my Omega Seamaster 300M and absolutely love it. As this is my first luxury watch, I have nothing to compare it to but so far, I am completely satisfied with my decision.
Great detail included tim, but you missed that the Omega is METAS certified, meaning its rated from 0 to +5s rather than the standard COSC rating
I'm shocked Tim was wrong about the specifications of a watch. Omega goes well beyond COSC standards with their METAS certs and the watch is only 13.9mm if you take the measurement and round up haha.
yeah so funny
He often makes mistakes. To be fair he makes a lot of content, so there are many opportunities to get it wrong. But he's not magic and certainly not infallible.
Yeah, when i heard the accuracy comparison, I'm like, wait, what?
Even playas fxck up
Great review on these two beautiful watches. I looked at both of these and had decided on the Rolex but when I compared it to the Omega I decided to get the Omega and I'm happy with the decision I personally found that the number enhancer window was a little distracting.
One shud be fair to the maker, so its Omega. It offers same quality, same accuracy and slightly more details. Not to forget the price a n d availability...
A Versus video after work is therapuetic. Thanks always for the quality content Tim!
Me right now
In 1993 I had the pleasure of owning the Omega Seamaster 300 with chrome bezels and dark blue face. I can't say enough good things about it, especially as u mentioned the bracelets which were gorgeous to the touch and how it moves. Comparing that to my father's Submariner at the time, it felt more sophisticated in many ways. Since then, I've handed the watch over to my dad hoping I'd get the Submariner next. But instead, no matter how much I resist, my eyes pander more to the Omega til this day. It's the Seamaster 300 for me any day, any life, for life. Now my old man wears the Seamaster more... that's testimony to how good it is.
Nice review Tim! Both are amazing watches. I love my Seamaster with rubber strap. So comfortable. Read that Omega make watches while Rolex makes brand.
Yet another great review Tim.Both are quality watches that I would love to own.Good luck acquiring a submariner at retail !
Let's be honest. Objectively and rationally (spec-wise) the SMP exceeds the Submariner in almost every category. However, Omega still lacks as far as brand reputation/image goes. That said: If you really hunger for the Sub - one of the ultimate watch icons of all time - you'll be advised to get the Submariner. Because the SMP will never grant you an equal level of satisfaction. If you are tired of the Rolex Hype and waiting list drama, then get a SMP.
Personally I like both, but I do love the Submariner even since before i even got into watches. I got the new Sub Date recently but I'd like the new SMP Tokyo Addition as an addition.
Except accuracy of keeping time but ok bud
Great review Tim! You just missed to mention METAS certification for Omega which makes the difference! I love both watches, both have their own strengths but I would go for Omega with its lovely rubber strap option which i think more comfortable and has better match with this design. Submariner is more refined and classy, SMP is more exciting and lovable watch to me... God bless both brands plus Zenith!!
With the current market, the real question is « Is this Submariner worth $13k? ». Whichever way you look at it, the answer is no.
The better way to phrase the question: Is the Rolex worth what the Omega is? No.
You do the best reviews. No filler, packed with info. Perfect.
how would Tim even think to forget the Omega is Master Chronometer certified? It says it right on the dial. Cmon Tim!
Having owned both a 2018 Seamaster and a 2020 Sub and 2021 Sea-Dweller, I’ll say the bezel clicks on the Seamaster seem more like a tool watch. They remind me of the clicks on my Schmidt & Bender PMII scope for my long range rifle, whereas the Rolex clicks seem more refined or buttery. Either way, they’re both very nice.
Great comparison video!! I’d rock the Omega 100%
I love my omega so much 🖤
Omega all day for me. The Rolex is nice, but I see a lot of guys wearing them.
The Omega SMP punches way above its weight and no doubt the better bang for buck. Omega was my first good watch over a decade ago (still have it). In this battle, I'll go with the Sub though. I just like the "older" and more classic look. Cheers!
“Luxury is often about getting more than you need.” You said it quite casually, but it is a very insightful statement. Kudos!
I own both and need to say this....The Omega is a lot more exciting then the Rolex....Rolex adds class to your ensemble, Omega (own the silver dial, blue bezel version) adds that needed touch of excitement .....both are super comfortable and accurate otherwise.
Omega coaxial movements are just more exciting not to mention so accurate you can almost forget about time corrections.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Omega locking system. I've had one soon 15yrs with no surprices. Also the bezel feel gets smoother after using it for awhile. Had my watch serviced some time ago which restored the coarseness/stiffness but slowly and surely it is getting smoother again. This is not to say I would not like to have also the submariner, but I chose to buy one proper watch for the rest of my life. I kinda like it that it's sort of blue collar version of proper watch, rolex name does seem to attract wrong kind of attention at times whereas normal people dont even notice Omega watch.
I keep hearing this about Omega bracelets always being behind Rolex before this model. Pre ceramic Rolex the clasps were garbage, it was Omega bringing in the superior bracelets on watches like the 2531.80 that gave them little choice but to upgrade it.
EXACTLY. Rolex oyster bracelets, on EVERY model, were complete trash. Omega single handedly forced Rolex to completely redesign their bracelets. And, even then, it took them YEARS to catch up. Not exactly the standard of anything, much less "the world". 🙄
Indeed!
I have the previous generation Submarier 116610LN and the current Seamaster Diver 300M in blue. I think that the Omega is better quality, movement wise, but I love them both. They are on par.
Please explain how the omega is “better quality, movement wise”……..
Okay there you got me. The quality is on par then, but the Omega movement is more modern. On Chrono24 my Rolex is 3 times as expensive and that doenst make sense.
Trying to get some likes from the Omega boys- if you own both- you know Rolex is miles ahead in every aspect
@@torontowatches9709 please explain
@@clausfrlund6092 The Sub is the biggest icon in watch history- Design from 1953, in house movement for years- gold material- better finish. A bracelet and clasp that can't be matched, a bezel that actually works- and no gimmics from james bond or he valves- cheap rubber strap used by omega- a bracelet thats trash. also lume design copied by Rolex- every way Rolex is better.
I agree what you are saying about the Sub but my heart yearns for the Seamaster..... that’s what I’m saving for ... that’s what I’m buying
My Seamaster came with a METAS certification card that you can look up the test results online for your specific watch. Omega advertises their Master Chronometers a running -0 to +6 seconds a day, mine runs at a solid +2 a day. Also the on bracelet adjusts to 5 different settings, so I don't really know what you are talking about there?
0 to 5 sir
I just bought a SMP with white dial/black bezel love it.
Both watches are outstanding and you cannot go wrong with either. I owned both and sold my Sub. For my taste, I like the Omega's dial, it's affordablity, and it's availablity.
Great to see versus back! Both great watches. Only one wears the crown for me, no pun intended!
Great video, thank you for a clear and honest review of both watches.
I'm new to the higher end watch market so doing my home work and your analysis really helped me.
If money were not an issue I'd get the Sub everytime, however I have to to get on the ladder and with my budget I will buying the Omega Seamaster 300m in blue.
I plan to keep it for a few years while I save up, then look at a px against a Submariner date. (If the waiting list is too crazy!)
I’m going to warn you against that. I had the new Batman for a year and sold it. Was just such a boring watch. Nice, accurate watch but a boring design with not much going on. So much more to take in on the seamaster. I picked up a Blancpain fifty fathoms bathyscaphe chrono in ceramic. Decided against the non-chrono FF because it’s got the same plainness issues the sub has. Happy hunting either way!
I have the great white and i cant take off even when im at home. Its perfect.
I've had a Sub for five years, but were I to do it again, I would get the Seamaster, with the price being the deciding factor. Plus, the see-through back is really cool:)
Shut up dude you don't own a Sub lol go sell your sub then, get a watch that bezel wont turn- and while you're at it get the Seamaster that says 007 on the seconds hand.
@@torontowatches9709 Had it close to six years now. I think I could get about 11k for it now. But I'll probably keep it. Thanks for checking in, though, Toronto.
@@SecretAgent3174 You'll keep it because its the best watch ever made, your comment was funny how if you can go back you'd get a seamaster, when you know its not true
@@torontowatches9709 I considered it but decided against it. I bought my sub with money I made selling my first screenplay, so it has some sentimental attachment. I guess in the end, I'm stuck with it:) What's odd is that my 20-something son was astounded that my watch runs without a battery. Apparently, being a tech geek, he did not know such things were possible.
@@SecretAgent3174The Sub is an icon- people get bored and do silly things in the watch game- I have the 41 Two tone LN and there's no watch like the Submariner- Anyways enjoy it and pass that watch on
I think the omega is beautifully designed and very classy.
The review I was looking for.
I will turn 50 next month, got to celebrate the important good things in life, and I choose to get an Omega Seamaster Diver 300M (blue). If it is good for "James Bond", it should be good for me...
I heard that "Rolex will show that you have money; Omega will show that you have watches", I am getting the Omega. As per the comments below, I will be able to use it more often, and more freely.
I got the limited edition Omega 50th anniversary On her majesty’s secret service.
In addition to better clarity of the sapphire, display back, extra steel strap, limited edition gold plates, gold hands, travel pouch, strap replacement tool, magnetic protection and a wow box, it was still approx USD 3750/- cheaper than the Rolex
Love my 41 black date Sub as well. Waited 4 months for it ( vs 5 months for limited omega) but the Omega is heads n shoulder better watch
Btw both sell for premium in secondary market if that’s what floats your boat
I’ve got both. Not brand new to be honest. But I do think the Omega wears nicer on the wrist. To me, that’s means it’s a better watch.
Only my opinion though 😎
Apart from the glide lock, Omega bracelets have always been ahead off Rolex's, in terms of solidity. Just compare the 90's bond bracelet with the Rolex Oyster three link from same era. Unless you enjoy the Rolex rattle of course, which is fair enough as well
I just really prefer the tapered bracelet. The smp bracelet just feels a little 2000’s to me.
So bulky it is , sub bracelet wins by far
I have these 2 exact models and I honestly like the omega more. It’s more modern and easier to read. Omega did a great job .
That top AR coating sux balls though
I love my Seamaster Diver 300M Chronograph GMT.
“Luxury is about getting more than you need”. Love it!
I'm biased as I've owned my SMPc 300M for 2 years now. Here are my thoughts:
The accuracy of the SMPc is incredible. Over the 2 years of ownership it has held time within +2 sec a date the entire time without adjustment. I love the hertitage of the movement and hope Omega has found the "final form" of the SMPc so the design is only tweaked in the future similar to the Sub. The price of the SPMc, regardless of losing money on it, is unbeatable for value of the item you get. The SMPc doesn't fit under all cuffs, unfortunately, and sticks out. I suspect the Sub does and that's the Sub's only plus in my mind.
the only plus?? how about the sharp bracelet edges on the Omega with no tapper? how about the known issue with the Omega push clasp that gets jammed and the external AR coating that gets damaged? ALL of these things happened to me on multiple Omegas. Not to mention Moonswatch bhahahahaha.
@@MikoTheTomCat I wear it almost every day for three years now and I've never been bothered by the edges of my bracelet or the tapper. I knew I wasn't getting a tappered bracelet when I got it. AR coating hasn't been an issue either.
This is my experience, your experience may be different. Many people use the talking points of others to disregard a brand or watch or something else. In MY experience, the Omega has been amazing and I don't think a Sub at 2-3x the price would give me an appreciably different experience.
Side note: This video and comment were made prior to the Moonswatch. Also, my experience is with Omega, not Swatch. I don't expect a $250 Swatch watch to reflect the quality of Omega, regardless of brand.
@@GreyFox422 Thanks for your feedback. Question: Have you owned and worn a Submariner?
@@MikoTheTomCat I have not owned a Sub but I have worn one for a small amount of time.
@@MikoTheTomCat You spent all that money on watches yet you clearly never used a dictionary. What is tapper? Some kind of dance? The word is TAPER. 🤦🏻♂️
I wear a black dial Seamaster 300M on a rubber strap every single day. The design is just amazing lol; I actually get a good deal of compliments on it. The value proposition it brings vs the far more pricey Sub cannot be denied.
They're not on the same league- Seamaster is JV. He should have compared this to Tudor- that's close to where Omega reaches
@@torontowatches9709 Yet, somehow, the Omega is better in every way. Baffling.
@@pauldoherty435 Better at what? That bezel wont turn, the bracelet is atrocious, lume is mediocre, Clasp, the He Valve is horrible- way thicker movement and watch. You've never owned ROLEX, Truly no comparison. For the average person is an ok watch, I'd still buy a Superocean or Pelagos before the Seeamaster any day
@@torontowatches9709 What are you talking about? Omega and Seiko have the best lume in the business... far better than Rolex. The bracelets on Omegas are what got Rolex off their asses and into solid end links. The bezel won't turn? What does that even mean? It won't be jarred by accident, which is the entire point - it's a safety feature and isn't supposed to move by accident.
@@pauldoherty435 Seriously if you really have a Shi-tmaster enjoy it. Don't talk about nonsense from 30 years ago, they're absolutely miles ahead of Omeaga in every aspect- Lume, Bezel, Bracelet, Clasp, Materials, Desirability. Everything. Seiko is absolute trash as are Grand Seiko Divers so keep convincing yourself your Omega is as good if not better than Rolex Submariner. Truth is you never owned one and never will so ok cool story!
If you want to scream to let everyone know you have a watch buy the Rolex if you're planning to be discreet and wear it for a long time buy the omega. I've had omega sea master since 1998 and it's still running fine wit only one service done. Definitely planning another omega purchase.
Which would i rather put on my wrist? Omega by far. Nothing wrong with the Sub except it is so overhyped and the stupid escalation in cost, but I also think the Omega is better looking, more interesting and better movement. I've had coaxial movements for over ten years in watches and they are amazing! Negative on the Omega is size, it could be a bit more svelte, but it still wears well for most. Finally, for about half the price, its a no-brainer for me anyway. I just have no desire to have a Sub, but I have two SMP 300s.
I bought a SMP with the blue dial on the bracelet about 2 months ago. I love it but when I was shopping for a watch I had wanted a Rolex sub, that wasn’t to be. I have no regrets and I bought a Tudor Bb58 a month ago to add to my new watch collection with part of the money I saved by not being able to get the Rolex sub..honestly I had trepidation about buying a Rolex as I didn’t want the attention of a Rolex while at work. I still may buy a Rolex datejust with a blue dial and gold Bessel but I could also for a few hundred more get the newer JLC master calendar moon phase Which is a much better watch for about the same money.
I walked in at a Rolex AD here in Orlando three weeks ago to get a sub. The sales rep said I have to be put on a waiting list. So I walked across to an Omega AD. I walked out with a blue Planet Ocean chronograph. This is my fourth Omega btw....he he he he
I have just bought the Omega Seamaster diver his week I am very happy never had an expensive watch before.
I have the omega. And I’m good w that I like it more sporty
The Omega. Subdued class.
Been looking at these two for almost a year now. I can’t pull the trigger yet because I don’t know what one to get. I like the Rolex, but keep going back to the diver. Some opinions, it’ll be an every other day watch to wear
I feel like my new 2022 omega seamaster bezel a bit like loose...the bezel is slightly like "play" (not tight like rolex/breitling). Plus when i gentle press the bezel for example at 1'o clock, the opposite bezel at 8'o clock there is tiny lifting ... I ask omega boutique they say its normal...just wondering any of other owners feel the same? Is it normal? Thx guys.
I like both, but have a preference for the Submariner. However, the main aspect of the Seamaster that I find hard to digest is the width of the hands as they widen. They splay to oversize for the watch's proportion, though that's only my opinion
Love the depth in vocabulary . Excellent
I had the 4-handed gmt brother (Batman) of that sub for a year. Nice watch, but Rolex’s sport models are just too simplistic in their design. Sold it and didn’t miss it. There is just much more to take in with this Omega. That awesome ceramic dial, domed crystal, much bolder bezel numerals, nice beveling on the case. A watch with a simple movement needs to make up for it with an interesting design. I think that’s why the Daytona is so popular. Chronograph is a lot to play with and a good distraction from its simple design.
I’ve had my Seamaster for almost 10 years now and I enjoy the anonymity of the Omega. Always have. Wear a Rollie and people just put you in either the fake or snobby category.
I’ve had some compliment me on the blue dial and bracelet and have NO clue who Omega is.
Some recognize it from Goldeneye, but they’re far and few between.
Great video, Sir! You definitely know your watches!
Great review!
And yet in other reviews, Tim mentions the double barrel of the Omega will give it superior accuracy performance over a complete 60 - 7- hour "wind cycle"....we can all use whatever combination of factors to justify our opinion.
Omega 2017 seamaster PRO...awesome watch...better movement...better design and better watch
Omega Seamaster every day of the week & twice on Sunday! Coming from a current owner of Seamaster co-axial master chronometer, a Rolex Explorer II.
You must be joking, omega bracelets have always been miles ahead of Rolex’s.
No kidding - the only thing more tired in Rolex design than the stupid Mercedes/peace hour hands, is the bracelet design. And before they added solid end links they were a hollow/rattling mess.
Rolex sub is a one and done type of watch in black. It's something you wear on wrist and 30 years or so later you will look back and tell yourself, "I bought well." The defacto watch in essence.
I know you asked the question without including price but I think that price is a huge factor when people decide what to buy. These watches trade punches and go back and forth. Just the fact that the Omega is mention in the same conversation as the Sub and costs almost half the money makes it a clear winner.
All watch enthusiasts want a Rolex but the same can be said about Omega.
I have a Rolex Oyster Perpetual - but I have to say - the Omega divemaster looks super cool - also- with the profile of Bond - it's kind of cooler. everyone knows Rolex, yea great, have to have one - but for a second watch? I'd get that Omega - I like the fact those who know watches know what it is, much like you would get with a Panerai.
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Love them both!
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Would take the Sub due to the thinner and slightly smaller profile but because of that cyclops, I’m going with the SMP. If the Sub was no date however… different story with an alternate ending.
The Seamaster is metas certified so it is within 0 to +5 s/d, and often way better than that. It has also a domed saphire with AR-coating on both sides (though I wish they only had it inside) whereas R has a plane glass with no AR.
If you want a Rolex you will have to wait several years (I wonder how long I would have to wait as a new customer) to get the $9100 price.
I think it is silly to say that the rolex clasp is better because it has less risk of pop open - have you ever unintentionally opened an omega clasp (you must press both buttons)?
I bought a new Planet Ocean in december and there are tiny scratches all over the crystal already. The dial is black and glossy so you see them easily. The 8900 movement is fantastic though and scary accurate. It has been at most +6 s. fast since new (better than any quartz watch I have own) but I can control it somehow by how I place it at night.
I guess that I have very keen eyes, I see everything, and it is probably only I who see them. I went to my watchmaker and he used a loop to see the marks. I baby my watch and I think you have scratches too, if you look closely. ”Bark and Jack” had an episode on this matter also.
Thanks for your relpy.
How did Tim whiff on Omega’s master chronometer standard?
So he and the Rolex fans have plausible deniability as to the idea that somehow the Rolex movement is the equal of the Omega. It's not.
@@pauldoherty435You’re right. The Rolex movement is better.
More accurate, better beat rate, higher power reserve, and less complex. Ask a watchmaker if they rather service an Omega or Rolex and see what they say lol.
Omega METAS is all marketing. Tudor is METAS certified for crying out loud!!
I love both watches, but there are a couple things that make the Omega the better choice for me.
1. The second hand tip on the Submariner is a clear metal which makes it harder to see vs the red tip of the Omega. I can find the tip of the hand faster and can follow it better especially in bright light outside. I also like the color of the red tip as it enhances the watches look
2. The minute hand on the Rolex is a clear metal color again which is harder to see in bright light. The white tip on the Omega makes it easier to see.
3. I like the bezel on the Omega has the markers all the way around while the Rolex stops at 15. It looks odd that the markers on the bezel stop on the Rolex though it does give it a cleaner look. Most sport watches however have the markers all the way around the down which makes it more symmetrical.
4. You can just about buy 2 Omega Seamaster's for the price of one Rolex Submariner.
5. Purchasing a Rolex has a very long waiting period of a year or more while the Omega is available in their stores.
6. You can see the movement on the back of the Omega while you cant with the Rolex.
The modern Rolex Submariner is spectacular. I own the 114060 and LOVE it. The adjustability of the watch band is second to none.I will be purchasing the Omega Seamaster soon - will provide additional comments.
I wished you would have tossed in a Fifty Fathoms with X-71and a SeaQ in just for good measure!
That sea master is a different breed of durability, wear it all day and it will still look new. I have a 1998 sea master 300 professional chronometer and it is unbelievable how good it still looks. As much as I would love a Rolex submariner , I hate the fact that you have to essentially baby it
Accuracy wise ,Anti mahlgnetic wise ,shock resistant wise Omega is better .I decided to buy Omega instead of Rolex and Tudor
Omegas are terrible on the used market
Great Video Tim! Money/resale not in the equation...I would go Omega, the only pause I have is the thickness.
What's the difference, less than 1 mm?
New Rolex, but looks exactly the same as the previous version. Omega just has more character to me.
Yep - buying a Rolex means having a watch nearly identical to the one from 40 years ago. For something that acts as jewelry I'm not OK with that.
I am gravitating toward the wave motifs.... Yum.
Hi Tim,
I have also feel my 124060 new bracelet feels a little flimsy and lighter if you compare to the 114060 (owned it also).
Is this to complement heavier/bigger head, thus more material on the head?
Dunno.....
Kinda miss solid feel of the 114060 bracelet.
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How much heavier could the case be? It's only 0.7mm wider than the previous version.
omega seamaster best sport watch ever
I own 4 Rolex subs and two Omegas. The speedmaster Moon watch and the 300 seamster. My pick is the Omega.
This omega is sporty, less a dressy diver. The seamaster professional 2500 in ceramic was a bargin that could compete.
I would say the omega liquidmetal planet ocean 2500, the limited edition is the best diver I have ever worn.
I’d say the Omega is more dressy actually. It may. It’s curves and design add a touch of flair and elegance to a semi formal / smart casual look. I think the Rolex is also very dressy of course, but doesn’t add as much flair to your style. It’s more of a straightforward option
@@TheSuaveEntrepreneur this is what annoyed me about the new smp300m.
The last ceramic smp filled the dressy diver category, all it needed was to bring back the sword hands, put in the new movement and modernise the bracelet.
The old 2500 PO was the tool watch.
Both watches have moved toward the same category, a little flashy without being a dressy diver or a tool watch outright.
The new smp moves up in size, has bright white numbers on the bezel and shouts with the waves on glossy ceramic. I take you point about about lines, but its just too big.
The could take the 40mm spot that rolex has left behind.
@@Jay-xr3sb I love the new design. I think the previous one was a tad muted in color and visibility.
What I think omega should do, instead of pumping out new designs and editions, is release a only a few color variations of each model, but in all different sizes. 36mm-43mm. That would make sales a lot higher and models a lot more special, in my opinion, what do you think?
@@TheSuaveEntrepreneur each to his own. It depends on what role the watch fits for you.
It just seems to be a jumbled mess now.
For divers they have released a number of POs in different sizes. 39.5mm, 42mm, 43mm and 45mm. Usually too thick or the proportions are knocked out at 36-39.5mm.
Even rolex can't stop fiddling, they finally tried trimmed lugs but the expanded the bracelet to split the different, and made the clasp too big and the bracelet now of a lower quality.
The old 42mm po with shorter lugs and 1mm thinner or the old subs but upgraded with modern tech would suit me fine (just like the explorer 1 update).
I honesty thing I could do the job!
Rolex goes up in price every year and the styles never change. I bought my wife a SS/18k Lady Datejust in 1990 and she has worn it daily since then. I bought my first Rolex in 1976 and I also have Rolexes that I bought in the early 1980s and 1990s that are still in excellent working and physical condition. There are few things l like better than checking the prices of new Rolexes and remembering what I paid for mine when I bought them decades ago. If my memory serves me correctly, I believe I paid $435.00 for a new SS Datejust in 1976. Today a SS Datejust will cost you over $7000.00...
I worked at a AD back in the early 90's and we sold the Sub no date for I think it was 2200.00 USD. With my discount I gave 1640.00 for one. We always had them in the case.
Man…those were the days!
@@martinkaplan1805 Considering Rolex's tired/lazy designs those days are likely to return, once the social media influencer crowd (and Asia) decide to move onto the next shiny object and stop looking at Rolex as some type of status symbol.
Really surprised it seems you’re not familiar with Metas certification process, you’d then know that from simply time keeping they’d be almost identical, but then you’d know everywhere else the omega movement is far more stringent in time keeping, robust nature and anti magnetism. You then also get the exact results of your watch from its metas certification and can print out the certificate. Owning both these exact watches my omega is actually a better time keeper. It’s truly any amazing, brutal and time consuming testing process that’s why no one else really bothers with it, but the results are very noticeable
Would love a clasp with no dive extension as standard, not an extra purchase. And would prefer a solid casback, which would mean a thinner profile
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