I love that this is basically sort of canon now, given the reveal of one of the people who helped the Emperor create space marines being named Amar *Astarte*.
I know Bolt Thrower is literally on a warhammer album, but the most 40k (or 30k?) song I've ever heard (with an equally dystopian video) is Mushroomhead - The Heresy.
As an aside: Another early work that was very influential on future sci fi and included space marines was the books of EE Smith, specifically the Skylark and the Lensman series. The "universe" had very early examples of power armored superhumans wielding ridiculous firepower, is the trope founder for "the Lensman arms race", fleets thrashing each other in such large numbers as to make Michael Bay blush at the shear amount of explosions, and is pretty much the precursor to star wars in superweapons and several tropes. Ancient aliens with hyper advanced super tech having a huge war in the heavens before man even existed, guys that the green lantern corps is so much of a knock off that the GLC creators had to swear they'd never heard of the books and ham fisted testosterone that would make the cheesiest of black library authors go "hey at least I'm not that bad".
Lensman's first Space Marine, Lieutenant VanBuskirk first appeared along with his giant ax and ftl flying armour in 1937. He's also big and ridiculously muscled due to his ancestors having adapted to a high G planet.
Ok, now I desperately NEED a Green Lantern Corps knockoff equivalent in Warhammer 40k...maybe make them a multi-species (duh), super psyker faction that used a combination of weird tech and SPACE magic i.e. their well...psychic powers to create a sort of "techno-psychic" (workshop the name) wellspring/filter for them to draw even more energy from the warp with less worry about daemonic shenanigans and gift their members empowered rings (also duh) that act like wireless receivers and catchers of the filtered energies of the imaterium (the warp) they could then shape into just about anything that strikes their fancy.
To be blunt as a retired US Marine, and Dark Angel player, I have always been amused by the lengths that GW has gone with the whole 'Our intellectual Property' defense. Still, I like the fact that you included a pic of the Marines at the start of your vid, thank you. Also, for transparency, I have never done that, and you know the that I am alluding to, in front of any commander...
Marines have a couple of inherent forces that the nature of the job imprint on any force that does what Marines do. The primary one we need to think about is that they come from the ship. By this, they will always have a very limited number and limited supplies as marines will be deployed to areas away from local support. This means that Marines will tend towards both higher levels of professionalism and efficient utilization of resources. This means that a future space marine force will very likely use some form of power armor. But the real reason they are called space marines. Space is cool and the Marines have the best marketing and lobbying of all the branches of the military. They even have the best song in the US.
The Amazing Stories' authors were 'encouraged' to add things that would catch people's eyes on the cover art. As a result, many of the stories have tacked-on cover art that you can usually find when you look for it.
In modern times, the USMC has running cadences about Horse Marines, and in fact the term "Horse Marine" has become slang for an especially tough, hard as nails Marine. Very cool video.
Just got flashback to my childhood here in Czech Republic. I partially remember watching some old school scifi with some kind of space marine, but they've called them "vesmírný námořník" which is more like "space sailor" than "space marine" even tho we have translation for marine. Alright "space sailor" still sounds pretty good if the word "námořník" didn't came from "na moři" which means "on sea". Its just 2x as stupid.
Something about this art style - the grey background, white characters, story-board-esque look - reminds me of the “What If the the Star Wars Prequels Were Good?” Series of videos. Man, that must’ve been years ago.
I remember that episode airing, then going to school the next day only to hear a teacher ranting about it. Turned out he was a massive Ramones fan, and the show calling the band 'The Pink Floyd' had gotten to him. As a result we spent the entire class with The Ramones playing in the background to 'properly educate us'. Best. Class. Ever.
Awesome! I always thought the general concept of the "space marine" as in powered-armor soldiers deployed via drop-pod or drop-ship really came from Heinlein.
I really need a video on the boardgame The Price of Freedom and the drama that broke out in the White Dwarf letters column over it in several White Dwarfs (issue numbers mid to late 80s)
Wow! I owned a copy ( purchased from a Kay Bee toy store circa 1991 for the low low price of $5.) it was a pen and paper RPG about a Russian/Soviet invasion of the US. Obviously inspired by Red Dawn and the collective jingoism of the Regan era 1980s. I sold it to a friend for the $5 bucks I spent on it a few years later. It didn’t age well much past The fall of the Berlin Wall (hence the low price). I wish I had kept it because it was/is a curious artifact. Didn’t know there was a White Dwarf controversy. Would be curious to know more details.....
@@loadeddice4696 The Price of Freedom I’m referring to is basically a Red Dawn rip off where the Soviets invade the US and you play as freedom fighters. White Dwarf did a review. Basically it was an okay game with a laughable premise. In subsequent issues’ letter columns, a number of British readers piled on about how jingoistic the game is and tastelessly presents Russians as godless commie thugs. In the process they also basically insult Americans as ignorant and xenophobic, and also take some shots at Reagan too. This then leads to some Americans responding back.
@@alphaprobe20 the WD editors point out that the game seems maybe a parody of Rambo/Red Dawn style jingoism, but that it’s hard to tell. But the drama itself was basically British readers calling Americans ignorant and xenophobic and Americans sniping back.
one thing you missed about marines is that they're often elite units in the real world. the royal marines commandos (the world's first special forces unit), navy s.e.a.l.s, s.b.s. etc are all special forces that started out as naval infantry, so the idea of space marines being the best of the best is also tied to their name. the adeptus astartes are a combined-arms force (combat ready in air/space, land & sea) so very similar to the united states marines of the real world. if they were purely marines they wouldn't commit hundreds of troops to battle or field armoured divisions and the like, they'd much more closely resemble the colonial marines of aliens. speaking of which, i wouldn't call the soldiers in starship troopers or aliens "space marines", although i guess technically they are. the colonial marines do fit the real-world u.s.m.c. very well though
I just want you to know I saw the Firelball XL5 pic you snuck in there and I appreciate it. Also the starship troopers animated show pic was a neat throwback too.
Well are we sure that no imperial space marines never ejackulated in front of their commander's. I mean the emperor's children where a thing and kind of kindly long befor Slannesh got their hands on them
Great video, thank you. Never heard of the author. Old (I mean 20s - 40s) sci-fi can be interesting to read. The stories you describe remind me of A. E. van Vogt and similar stuff. If you ask me - I think the main inspiration for GW´s Space Marines is R. A. Heinlein´s mobile infantry from "Starship Troopers", which have stuff like powered armor, drop pods ets. They also have the right feel for 40k.
About the religious implication in the second story, "Christian" used to sometimes be used as a synonym for "civilized," which yeah still isn't a wonderful idiom, but didn't necessarily require the subject literally be secularly devout.
In Russia, we honestly hate "marines" in "space". Couldn't translate it properly back in mid 2000s. So we call them "space paratroopers" instead. And that is the wrong decision all the time actually.
"At least the Space Marines of the Imperium of Man, unlike Captain Brink, don't spend their time ejaculating in front of their commanding officers." Yeah, that's the Custodes' job.
I'd like to see an adaption of this story in either animated or comic form. All retro to keep it authentic but toning down or modifying the more out of date bits.
I love these potted histories. If you did an edition on Orcs or Elves origins it would be about 14 hours long and involve learning ancient Norse languages. I double dare you.
@@flameknightdragon One of the reason they renamed everything in AoS, since it's hard to copyright "orc" or "dwarf". But things like "orruk" or "duardin"? Easy peasy
I'm sorry, but 'Author of "The Ant With a Human Soul," "The Man Who Annexed the Moon", etc.' may be the greatest sentence ever written in the English language. "Only when he's asleep" is close though.
I can guarantee you that there are groups of people in the 40K setting that uses the term ejaculated non-sexually and seriously and I will laugh so hard every time I watch that scene "brink ejaculated" and that face
Everyone knows that the emperor's real name is Jimmy Space and that's why they are his Space marines
never expected to see a fellow yog
Land's Raider and Land's Speeder logic
I love that this is basically sort of canon now, given the reveal of one of the people who helped the Emperor create space marines being named Amar *Astarte*.
@@HiveLordLusa who's writing this tripe?
Praise Kremlo
I'm surprised Brink's boss doesn't want him to get pictures of Spider-Man.
Or ask him WHY HE DID MAKE HIM DO THIS
I believe the name you are looking for is Spider Space man ;)
I thought space marine was a silly name, but then I found out there were horse marines.
_Orks to right of them, Orks to left of them, Orks behind them Dakka'd and choppa'd_
Not to be confused with Hoarse Marines; who are Space Marines who have shouted too much and strained their voices.
@@euansmith3699 Would'n that make Hoarse Marines just tired Noise Marines?
Horse MARE-ines, a-haaaaa!
@@Del_S saw that joke coming a mope away
"Became a parent purely for demonstrative purposes..." has got to be the funniest thing I've heard this week.
Most 40k fans: Bolt Thrower - Through the eye of terror
Me, an intellectual: 🎵 I'm Captain Jinks of the horse marines 🎵 💃💃
For in this place of darkness
captain jinks ejaculates
I know Bolt Thrower is literally on a warhammer album, but the most 40k (or 30k?) song I've ever heard (with an equally dystopian video) is Mushroomhead - The Heresy.
What i get out of this is Warhammer need GRIMDARK ameoba as a new Faction.
They already have a squid/jellyfish faction they're not doing a lot with - the Thyrrus :)
"Cut the Jellied Xenos Scum in twain with your chainswords, brothers!"
"Agh! They are breeding!"
I’m 90% sure there was stuff like that in Rogue Trader lore, somewhere, maybe…
Astronaut, cosmonaut, "sailor of stars", "sailor of the cosmos". So a space soldier being referred to as a marine may track.
It does get called the “sea of stars” too.
As an aside:
Another early work that was very influential on future sci fi and included space marines was the books of EE Smith, specifically the Skylark and the Lensman series.
The "universe" had very early examples of power armored superhumans wielding ridiculous firepower, is the trope founder for "the Lensman arms race", fleets thrashing each other in such large numbers as to make Michael Bay blush at the shear amount of explosions, and is pretty much the precursor to star wars in superweapons and several tropes.
Ancient aliens with hyper advanced super tech having a huge war in the heavens before man even existed, guys that the green lantern corps is so much of a knock off that the GLC creators had to swear they'd never heard of the books and ham fisted testosterone that would make the cheesiest of black library authors go "hey at least I'm not that bad".
That's deep man. To deep. Please have a seat in the BLUE chair, an Inquisitor will be with you in a moment. 😉
loved those books as a kid
@@flowinsounds they are a level of goofy that isn't still around anymore.
I low key kinda want a movie adaptation, gothic ray gun aesthetic and all.
Lensman's first Space Marine, Lieutenant VanBuskirk first appeared along with his giant ax and ftl flying armour in 1937. He's also big and ridiculously muscled due to his ancestors having adapted to a high G planet.
Ok, now I desperately NEED a Green Lantern Corps knockoff equivalent in Warhammer 40k...maybe make them a multi-species (duh), super psyker faction that used a combination of weird tech and SPACE magic i.e. their well...psychic powers to create a sort of "techno-psychic" (workshop the name) wellspring/filter for them to draw even more energy from the warp with less worry about daemonic shenanigans and gift their members empowered rings (also duh) that act like wireless receivers and catchers of the filtered energies of the imaterium (the warp) they could then shape into just about anything that strikes their fancy.
"That we know..."
Laughs in Ian Watson's Space Marine
Now this is what i watch Codex Compliant for! Old media and how it relates to the things that relate to warty-thou.
To be blunt as a retired US Marine, and Dark Angel player, I have always been amused by the lengths that GW has gone with the whole 'Our intellectual Property' defense. Still, I like the fact that you included a pic of the Marines at the start of your vid, thank you. Also, for transparency, I have never done that, and you know the that I am alluding to, in front of any commander...
Marines have a couple of inherent forces that the nature of the job imprint on any force that does what Marines do. The primary one we need to think about is that they come from the ship. By this, they will always have a very limited number and limited supplies as marines will be deployed to areas away from local support.
This means that Marines will tend towards both higher levels of professionalism and efficient utilization of resources. This means that a future space marine force will very likely use some form of power armor.
But the real reason they are called space marines. Space is cool and the Marines have the best marketing and lobbying of all the branches of the military. They even have the best song in the US.
The Amazing Stories' authors were 'encouraged' to add things that would catch people's eyes on the cover art. As a result, many of the stories have tacked-on cover art that you can usually find when you look for it.
Is that way there's pointless barely-clothed women on around 90% of them.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Exactly.
Thats it. I'm having a captain Brink in my death guard
What's his backstory then?
"The convenient adventures of captain frank"
In modern times, the USMC has running cadences about Horse Marines, and in fact the term "Horse Marine" has become slang for an especially tough, hard as nails Marine. Very cool video.
Here come... Here come... Here come *the Horse Marines*
Was Duck Dodgers of the 24th and a half century, a space marine?
Just got flashback to my childhood here in Czech Republic. I partially remember watching some old school scifi with some kind of space marine, but they've called them "vesmírný námořník" which is more like "space sailor" than "space marine" even tho we have translation for marine. Alright "space sailor" still sounds pretty good if the word "námořník" didn't came from "na moři" which means "on sea". Its just 2x as stupid.
I had that ‘Here come the Noise Marines’ song in my head during this. Perhaps another parody with the same root? 😂
Something about this art style - the grey background, white characters, story-board-esque look - reminds me of the “What If the the Star Wars Prequels Were Good?” Series of videos. Man, that must’ve been years ago.
Bonus points for Space Above and Beyond frankly
I remember that episode airing, then going to school the next day only to hear a teacher ranting about it. Turned out he was a massive Ramones fan, and the show calling the band 'The Pink Floyd' had gotten to him. As a result we spent the entire class with The Ramones playing in the background to 'properly educate us'. Best. Class. Ever.
I know right?! I feel like me and less than 10 other people ever saw that show. Worth a rewatch, top shelf "so bad it's good"
I'm going to tell everyone about Horse marines. Anyone who doubts me is just a neigh sayer...
Get out!
Good work.
Is a warrior who fights Horse Marines a Neigh-Slayer?
Space Marines go on missions in space.
Horse Marines go on missions...in....
Oh no.
Imagine a space marine performing dressage, with a jaunty little top hat
The true horse marine
I'm so glad for the Space: Above and Beyond ref, I thought I was the only one who even remembered that show
There's at least 2 of us, I never missed an episode when it originally aired.
Captain frank, best space marine
Isn't it something to do with space frequently being likened to the sea? I mean spaceSHIPS etc...
What else would you call harvesting gene seed?
Snipe and Wib talking about pulp stories? Nice
Fireball XL5! YASSSSS! Through, now the theme will be stuck in my head all day... 🎵I wish I was a space man, the fastest guy alive...🎵
How the HELL did Oxygen Pills work?!
This is actually really freaking cool. I love the look into old stuff like this.
It is important to know the history of our names. For example, the more specific name "Astartes" was originally owned by an ancient goddess of love.
Awesome! I always thought the general concept of the "space marine" as in powered-armor soldiers deployed via drop-pod or drop-ship really came from Heinlein.
I really need a video on the boardgame The Price of Freedom and the drama that broke out in the White Dwarf letters column over it in several White Dwarfs (issue numbers mid to late 80s)
Just googled it and it's about the US Civil War, so with that in mind - drama about the rules, or drama about actual IRL history?
Wow! I owned a copy ( purchased from a Kay Bee toy store circa 1991 for the low low price of $5.) it was a pen and paper RPG about a Russian/Soviet invasion of the US. Obviously inspired by Red Dawn and the collective jingoism of the Regan era 1980s. I sold it to a friend for the $5 bucks I spent on it a few years later. It didn’t age well much past The fall of the Berlin Wall (hence the low price). I wish I had kept it because it was/is a curious artifact. Didn’t know there was a White Dwarf controversy. Would be curious to know more details.....
@@loadeddice4696 The Price of Freedom I’m referring to is basically a Red Dawn rip off where the Soviets invade the US and you play as freedom fighters.
White Dwarf did a review. Basically it was an okay game with a laughable premise. In subsequent issues’ letter columns, a number of British readers piled on about how jingoistic the game is and tastelessly presents Russians as godless commie thugs. In the process they also basically insult Americans as ignorant and xenophobic, and also take some shots at Reagan too. This then leads to some Americans responding back.
@@alphaprobe20 the WD editors point out that the game seems maybe a parody of Rambo/Red Dawn style jingoism, but that it’s hard to tell. But the drama itself was basically British readers calling Americans ignorant and xenophobic and Americans sniping back.
@@MasterShake9000 I mean to be fair Reagan was a bellend
9:50
The Emperor's Children would like to have a word with you
The Dark Angel on the end-credits looks like he might be too.
You Two are my favorite Warhammer UA-camrs! Always super fun and you seem like a great couple! Cheers
These guys are less like space marines of today, more of a perfect inspiration for an imperial guard regiment
Ok, who is coming up with the lore for the Ejaculators chapter in their minds right now...
7:35 "Ganymede... Ganymedian..." Ganymediate?
Your research is getting horrifyingly, delightfully thorough. Long may it continue!
"Me seeing tha Snipe uses they" "Starts to vibrate in pure Joy"
one thing you missed about marines is that they're often elite units in the real world. the royal marines commandos (the world's first special forces unit), navy s.e.a.l.s, s.b.s. etc are all special forces that started out as naval infantry, so the idea of space marines being the best of the best is also tied to their name. the adeptus astartes are a combined-arms force (combat ready in air/space, land & sea) so very similar to the united states marines of the real world. if they were purely marines they wouldn't commit hundreds of troops to battle or field armoured divisions and the like, they'd much more closely resemble the colonial marines of aliens.
speaking of which, i wouldn't call the soldiers in starship troopers or aliens "space marines", although i guess technically they are. the colonial marines do fit the real-world u.s.m.c. very well though
“I’m captain Jinks of the horse marines, I feed my horse on corn and beans”
*Braaaaaaap*
I hope this will spin off into a new feature where Snipe and Wib review 19th century operettas.
Glory to our beloved space marines
I just want you to know I saw the Firelball XL5 pic you snuck in there and I appreciate it.
Also the starship troopers animated show pic was a neat throwback too.
whenever a new codex compliant drops, you know you're in for a good time! comfy mode: engaged
And... thousands of viewers now pledge to kitbash a horse in power armour.
Well are we sure that no imperial space marines never ejackulated in front of their commander's. I mean the emperor's children where a thing and kind of kindly long befor Slannesh got their hands on them
A new Codex Compliant right when I finished my episode of Stargate SG-1 ! Perfect timing !
The more you know I guess when it comes to space marines.
I got very strong 'I'm a Lumberjack' vibes from that Horse Marines song
Nice one! There must be SO much research that goes into some of these videos.
Great video, thank you. Never heard of the author. Old (I mean 20s - 40s) sci-fi can be interesting to read. The stories you describe remind me of A. E. van Vogt and similar stuff. If you ask me - I think the main inspiration for GW´s Space Marines is R. A. Heinlein´s mobile infantry from "Starship Troopers", which have stuff like powered armor, drop pods ets. They also have the right feel for 40k.
Very informative and fun vid!
3:03 "I WANT DISTRESS CALLS OF SPIDERMAN!"
This is in-depth scholarship and this channel is fully educational
Praise be to the emperor! Canoness snipe and commisar wib have bestowed upon us new insights! Praise be!
"He rank a quart of gasoline / and since that time he ain't benzine" is a banger of a couplet! it sounds like "been seen!"
You two do the Emperor’s work.
Space Ships? Thus Space Marines?
About the religious implication in the second story, "Christian" used to sometimes be used as a synonym for "civilized," which yeah still isn't a wonderful idiom, but didn't necessarily require the subject literally be secularly devout.
Now I need to make a Captain Jinks and fellow horse marine kill team.
The guard: *pop* just the two of us, we can make it we try. Just the two of us.
I mean theres that entire gene-sperm thing
For the past few years, I just assumed it was another thing from Lensman. I guess I wasn't too far off.
Brink is obviously a lost primarch
Very interesting! I never knew the term was so old, nor the fun reason behind it! Thanks for a very entertaining and infrmative video, as always!
Deploying from Fireball XL-5 🤣🤣🤣
9:18 The Puns must flow!
That was a super fun and informative video, thank you.
Oh man, Space: Above and Beyond. Can't believe another soul knows that show.
"Lemon-coloured skin and lynx-like eyes". I take it that the author never actually met a Japanese person.
We have secured the perimeter
In Russia, we honestly hate "marines" in "space".
Couldn't translate it properly back in mid 2000s.
So we call them "space paratroopers" instead.
And that is the wrong decision all the time actually.
“At least the space marines of the Imperium don’t their time ejaculating in from of their superior officers.”
This is Emperor’s Children erasure
"At least the Space Marines of the Imperium of Man, unlike Captain Brink, don't spend their time ejaculating in front of their commanding officers."
Yeah, that's the Custodes' job.
9:41 I disagree, slaanesh chaos marines exist
Space marines of the Imperium of man. Not chaos
Cybernoid 2! Excellent choice. :-D
A wonderful video full of topping climaxes!
I had no idea about this story. That was... interesting.
The guy you wanted on your team
I wonder if they had continued, would Captain Brink have gotten a space horse?
"The Space Marines of 40k don't spend a lot of time ejaculating in front of their officers."
Unless they're Ultramarines.
Google, I need horse marine conversion bits.
I'd like to see an adaption of this story in either animated or comic form. All retro to keep it authentic but toning down or modifying the more out of date bits.
"that we know of"
Emperor's children CEO: "this is now mandatory"
I love these potted histories. If you did an edition on Orcs or Elves origins it would be about 14 hours long and involve learning ancient Norse languages. I double dare you.
Nice to see some Fireball love.
your guys dry ass humor gets me every time my god
Didn't GW once sue a writter because they used the term "space marine"?
Yes they did and the lost horribly since the term predates their company and did not own the rights.
@@flameknightdragon One of the reason they renamed everything in AoS, since it's hard to copyright "orc" or "dwarf". But things like "orruk" or "duardin"? Easy peasy
On the topic of the ending words
I seam to recal you guys making a small animation of a Lieutenant and apothecary extacting a marines «genesperm»
9:46 *cough* emperors children *cough*
Horse Marines? I smell BeastmenMarines in Edition 11......
Missed your videos you two rock.
When you think about it, WH40k is impressively derivative.. take all the stuff GW took from Frank Herbert alone! Never mind though, still love it 😁
Awesome video!
Love your guys videos
This is the best one so far
Thank you for this, I love it
Well, you know, the emperors children do exist...
I'm sorry, but 'Author of "The Ant With a Human Soul," "The Man Who Annexed the Moon", etc.' may be the greatest sentence ever written in the English language.
"Only when he's asleep" is close though.
I can guarantee you that there are groups of people in the 40K setting that uses the term ejaculated non-sexually and seriously and I will laugh so hard every time I watch that scene "brink ejaculated" and that face