Damian Wayne is the MOST HATED Robin
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2024
- Damian Wayne is the fourth major Robin in the Batman Family, making his debut in DC Comics after Dick Grayson as Nightwing, Jason Todd as Red Hood, and Tim Drake made their presence known in comics. He's definitely the most controversial with his introduction, being the son of Bruce Wayne and Talia Al Ghul. His origin shares some resemblance to that of Cassandra Cain, Batgirl. Damian has made appearances in the DC Animated Movie Universe (DCAMU) New 52 animated movies like "Son of Batman" and "Justice League Dark: Apokolips War," where Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, and the rest of the Justice League fight Darkseid. The "Injustice" games have him join Superman's regime, especially in "Injustice 2." The "Harley Quinn" Animated Series features him as Robin, as well as his supposed role as Batman in the cancelled Arkham game set ten years after "Batman: Arkham Knight." His next appearance is set to be in James Gunn's DC Extended Universe (DCU) reboot with "The Brave and the Bold.
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Not gonna lie, I really didn’t like how in the DCAMU there’s no Jason Todd or Tim Drake. It just doesn’t feel right.
I'm honestly glad cause they'll either show up doing very little with no development like a background character or be a last minute introduction like Batgirl only to get brutally torn apart by the paradoom
at best they did his story with Under the Redhood / Death in the Family, it was just separate from everything
@@SapphireKnight675 I maybe stupid but is death in the family linked to the killing joke? cuz in one of the options it showed jason going to Barbara in a wheelchair and the art style is similar to the killing joke animated film
Good we don't need 100 Robin's in a universe. Especially when they won't have anything to do after their introductions.
@@amon__7187 Fax bro that was my main issue with the DCAMU there be a bunch of characters that randomly show up barley doing anything even at the end they show up only for them to do jack in the next film other than horrifically die to paradooms
The only reason Damian is hated is because every time someone tries to give him character development and make him more than the "Selfish Bat-Brat blood son", they undo it and revert him to an annoyance which is terrible to see because I genuinely like Damian in certain continuities.
It rarely happens. Damian gets to keep it alot of development.
Although when it does happen it just feels jarring and out of character.
No titans and choosing the wrong call the only time he has anything good it’s tied to a so so writer who thinks he has not crossed the lines kill him already
You people only like Damian when he's neutered & turned into an agreeable sidekick like the other dorks that were made into Robins. Confidence is too much for y'all to handle lol, he's either gotta be some traumatized crybaby like Todd or boyscouts like Tim & Grayson.
"Character Development" in the modern age is really just removing any traits from a character that might cause conflict with others in the cast. Ever notice how it's only ever the prideful, selfish & confident characters that need "development" to be well-written?
@@huntertezz
Injustice 2 in-game is a great example of this. In the prequel comics, it was shown that Damien that went through significant character development, from showing lots of remorse for killing Dick, to outright rebelling against Ra’s Al Ghul and thwarting his plans. Then in Injustice 2 we says he was the perfect son and shows pride in his Al Ghul heritage.
@@donovanlarsen7982 Yeah that would be the difference between comic writers and game writers.
Also the one who wrote Injustice admitted he hated Damian. But then he read some of Damian's stories and grew to like him.
What I like about Damian is that he actually feels like a different Robin. I really liked him in Justice League Vs Teen Titans
Easily one of the best movies in this universe
I dont hate Damian, but I really dislike that hes the first Robin we'll see in the upcoming DCU and not Dick. At least well get to see Dick immediately as Nightwing, but idk its very important that we see him in his time as Robin first IMO
Can we all agree that Tim is DISRESPECTFULLY underrated
Yes. OH GOD YES. TIM deserves way more love
100% yes
The new writers keep hoeing him
At least Young Justice handled him fine before his resignation from the team.
We've only seen Tim Drake animated twice in Shows.
That being Young Justice and Batman TAS/Batman Beyond.
No I'm not counting Death in the Family, or whatever meme that Teen Titans Go! made about him
In Damian's first appearance there's a huge theme in Tim feeling immediately threatened and jealous of him.Fast forward to now and Damian as a character has completely supplanted Tim.Talk about meta-irony.
That's why he's hated fanboys hate that Tim is not popular anymore.
@@hordakprime6172 Tim was always a boring character to me anyways lol
Same here @@SaraMoustamandi-my8ot
@@hordakprime6172 Bro you are so right. These aren't even really fanboys. In general there what I call happylords. They don't like to see masculine, strong characters like Damien. And there mad cause Tim is a boring nice guy copy and paste pushover. Damien and Jason are way better.
@@SaraMoustamandi-my8otYeah Tim is a dude good nice guy copy and paste pushover he's too agreeable and he's practically an npc
They sidelined Jason, Tim, Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain. I don’t hate Damian I just think the others need some love too
They all need love equally.
Nah, there shouldn't be like 50 Robins in one universe. Having Dick and then Damian was enough.
El problema es que Bruce ha tenido tantos compañeros
They weren't sidelined because of Damian! (Tim was but not the rest)
Like Stephanie was even Damian's batgirl.
@@huntertezz not saying Damian sidelined them. Saying how in adaptation or any media recently not a lot members of the Bat family get a lot of screen time aside from Batman, Dick, Barbara, and Damian. The Batfamily web comics gave them more love then recent DC animation. Here’s a comparison Damian been in like 10 movies and like 4 shows starting from 2014. Tim since the late 90s was in 3 shows, 1 movie, 3 days games with two with barely any playtime and killed off in one game
The best part of Damian is that he was raised by murderers and is in direct contrast with the Bat Code. This goes on to legitimize the No Kill Rule once Damien completes his arc. The fact that we’re allowed to hate him at the start is an interesting take on a Robin. Cool video, this is the most worthwhile channel I’ve subscribed to in awhile.
I still hate him because of his personality
His not raised by simple murderers... He was raised by the League of Assasins... one would think he would be hyper-aware of some form of decorum being from an ancient elite group that has ties in different countries. Unless the League really is that shitty of an organization that all it's leaders are just blood thirsty and crass it's a wonder that they ever had any allies or that so little of it's members turn on the group.
@@TheUnseenPath But his personality changes as he grows as a character.
@TheUnseenPath initially, yes but over the years Damien has grown into a very different charicter and has good chemistry with members of the batfamily
Debut Damian was a beast; confident, no-nonsense, aggressive & belittling of others. Skill to back up the talk too. If they neutered him & made Damian agreeable to make him more relatable to the average reader then his character is officially botched. The entire point of Damian is to be someone who would grow to outperform every other Robin, yet he could never fully *BE* Robin because his character is the polar opposite of the Golden Boy archetype.
I think the DCAMU handled Damian better in some instances
Agreed here
They actually gave him character development
He was the only Bat family member allowed to have any serious character development. Batman had to learn to love him, Nightwing had to learn to lose his uniqueness and be Damian's target practice, and Batwoman, Batwing and Batgirl existed without really doing anything.
@@tycemo707YTwasn't his only character arc "don't kill"? Like, it felt like he was going through the same arc each film.
Then you simply haven't read enough comics. There's nothing about Dcamu that's remotely better than his comic counter part.
I love all the Robins, but Damian is just the most intriguing to me personally, he isn't my favorite character, but his potential is what draws me in. He's awful at first, but that's kind of the point of him, he's supposed to be a new issue for the family to figure out how to adapt to.
I understand not liking him, but frankly, people hate wayyy too much on his character, especially because his first introduction has him being terrible to everyone, and people can't seem to move past it.
But just try and imagine you're this 10yr old child who has been raised to kill and claim your "birthrights" since birth, like you were literally are created and groomed for these purposes!
And then your mom abandons you in a different country with a father who doesn't know you existed who you thought would want you immediately, and brothers you've been raised to believe are below you and less than you because of your blood relations, and none of these people act like how you were expecting them to. And you're now stuck in a situation with basically strangers who hate you and your existence and don't understand or believe in any of what you've been taught your entire life until then. And there's probably more stuff I'm forgetting honestly.
I genuinely cannot imagine how I, as a 10 YEAR OLD CHILD raised to slaughter people, would deal with any of that. I'd probably be worse or more likely died immediately, at least Damian usually grows from the views and lifestyle he was GROOMED into, and becomes a better person(at least when the person writing him doesn't hate his character anyway).
He's a little kid at the start, and just left a death cult for the first time in his life, give the boy a break. If anything, you should be despising Talia's character for rasing him like this in the first place, or in other versions, violating Bruce to create him. But blaming Damian's character for acting like a brat, who was raised explicitly to be a brat, makes so little sense.
Either way, I love all of the bat family, I have my favorites obviously, but I'm glad all of their characters were created because they all add something fun to the dynamic. Hating on one character for specific writing someone did is just wasting your energy. "Canon" isn't real at this point, so you might as well just pick you're favorite bits and ignore what you don't like, because getting mad at it doesn't do anything but fuel anger that won't do anything.
And btw, I do not hate people who dislike Damian, that's not what my comment is meant for, so please do not think I'm upset at people for their personal opinion. I'm just frustrated I find more hate on his character than anything more interesting when I'm looking up stuff about Damian's character, tbh.
Enjoying these characters is supposed to be fun and a break from sad and boring reality, let it be fun for yourself!
So true actually, and I've always thought how ppl can expect a kid raised in a VERY toxic way since his birth to act all normal and friendly, besides that I truly can't imagine the process of adaptation for Damian. If you think about it, his life got turned upside down by his mother when she gave him to Bruce. He could kill before, nope, not anymore, he had to train no matter what, he had to get the tasks done even if he died in the process before, but guess what, not anymore. And the whole mindset of the people around you changes. It's just too much
The thing about Damien Wayne (to me, anyway!) Is that his character only really works when the other major Robins were there first. Dick, in particular, is extremely important to Damien's characterization, because it's not Bruce who managed to get through to him and encourage Damien to be kind, it was DICK!
Dick is essential to Damien's character growth because he is the driving force behind Damien _choosing_ to be good. Because Dick was angry and vengeful once, but then he found himself a support system (outside of Bruce's largely unhelpful ass. love the guy but he's like a solid C parent, and was like a D during Dick's tenure) and grew into someone who chooses to be kind. He's helpful, empathetic, friendly and passionate, both in and out of the mask. Dick's unwavering belief in Damien, and his leading by example, is what finally got Damien's head out of his ass. Damien began to become a true hero because he wanted to do right by Dick. Furthermore, was Dick who softened Batman to a point where he could take on the other Robins; I don't think Damien would have wanted to be Robin to the Batman before Dick.
Jason is important because he is the cautionary tale. Jason is a reflection of what Damien could be - angry, violent and vengeful... or dead. It's easier to sympathize with Damien because we have seen what anger has done to Jason. It makes sense why Bruce is so determined to keep this kid on the right path, even beyond his strong morals, because he has already lost a child to their own anger. To me, Jason is what makes Bruce's dogged faith in Damien more believable, and their relationship so much more meaningful, because Bruce has seen Jason crawl his way back into something resembling heroism, even after everything - so too could Damien.
Tim is the point of contrast. Tim is what Robin should be, the ideals and moral code that Damien lacks. Their conflict, mainly that Damien believes himself to be more worthy of the Robin mantle and thinks very little of Tim, is a driving force of Damien's character as he goes out of his way to one up Tim at every opportunity. And that he's forced to face the fact that he is *wrong* and Tim is/was the superior Robin in all the ways that truly matter is a very juicy internal conflict and turning point for Damien.
Furthermore, going from a friendly, bubbly robin with some shithead tendencies and a strong moral code straight to a spoilt, haughty brat who struggles with not killing just isn't nearly as interesting as watching the progression of Robins beforehand. Plus, it robs Dick of some really important characterization regarding the other two robins - Jason's replacement of him as Robin and subsequent death are two very important turning points in his character, and his experience with Tim is what allows him to handle Damien in the first place.
Also Damien and Stephanie have a really fun dynamic, I like when they're together. She's not really foundational to his character but I wanted to mention her because I think she's neat. Also him and Cass are great together! If he's going to be with any Bat other than Bruce going forward, I think she's a great choice. I've seen the idea of him becoming Nightwing's sidekick rolling around, and I'm not completely against it, but I would really like to see him and Cass together.
Robin is the most important element of Batman. Dick the first Robin made Batman a better character.
But Damian is the reverse. He is meant to be Dick's partner. So in this case it was Batman (Dick) made robin a better character.
I like Damian, but I love Tim Drake. I really want to see an animated movie adapting the Red Robin run.
I forgot Tim was in Injustice and when I remembered and he even talks to Bruce about getting Batman and Robin back to together he dies like Tim cant catch a break.
Least unnecessary death in injustice
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I dislike the Damian and the writers cuz ever since Damian arrival Tim Drake has been unused, written poorly, and now only used for shock value with no payoff.
I think what I like with Damian is the irony in him being Bruce's one biological child but has the most estranged relationship out of any of his kids.
No he doesn't have an estranged relationship. He is outright Bruce's second favourite son.
The one with the most estranged relationship is Jason.
@@huntertezz No, his most estranged family member is Mogo the Bat-Ape
… Injustice player, I suppose?
@@OzEtlar Nah, although I do remember maining Lobo when I played the first game years ago. When it comes to fighting games I'm more in Darkstalkers and KI.
@@dougwalker8068What about Bat-Cow?
Damian's existence has made both Tim Drake and Cassandra Cain's redundant characters, no writer knows what to do with them anymore.
No Damian didn't become redundant because of Damian. Obviously she should be the main Batgirl.
Dc just needs to stop regressing Barbara and let her be Oracle.
You mean the existence of Damian and Cass (as well as revert Barbara) makes Tim and Steph redundant right? Saying this as a Steph fan.
Cassandrsa Cain has actually got a lot of material and is utilized properly. It's Tim Drake and Stephanie who the writer's don't know what to do with.
@@SaraMoustamandi-my8ot Cass was done dirty in the DCEU though.
At least Young Justice and subsequent comics made up for it though.
That's why they have Damien Kill off Tim in every iteration I seen where Damien is taking over the mantle of Robin, and like if they are going for having Damien being hated for it cool but like if it's just to open the spot and 'legitimize' Batman's bo kill rule, I like the story having him heal from being raised by killers but in classic Batman story telling style one step forward 10 steps back to climb back to that point
I kinda wish we got the super sons and under the red storyline in young justice
The supersons have their movie and are babysitting in the comics for now
I don't know, I still think Jason 'murdered by popular vote' Todd is still holding that title, we've just forgotten because he's edgy now.
Injustice Damian Wayne literally called Firestorm and Blue Beetle unironically "Noobs" like he really asked for all the hate 😂😂
The nerve. Ronnie's been at this longer than he has...even if Jason's co-piloting.
Bro I just realized Damian is just Vegeta from dbz
You just blew my mind😂
Even has his own Bulma in the DCAMU, Raven
@@nataliawashington872 Bulma is nothing like Raven because she's actually competent and resourceful, while Dcamu Raven feels intentionally made less competent so that Damian can have some relevancy by pushing her around to do things. Bulma also has a character outside of Vegeta, while Dcamu Raven's whole character basically became Damian-Kun by the last movie and her role there was basically to make his arc come full circle.
More like Trunks
Yeah and Jon is Goku. Jon is even a Dragon Ball fan.
When are we going to get Redhood in a major movie? The last big thing he was in was Batman: under the Redhood.
Espero que brave and the bold sea el antagonista principal
dc likes to waste red hood's potential, and he is my favorite character so i feel frustrated and upset with the shit they do with the character
Likely either not for a long time or ever since DC is hyperfixated on either ignoring him or trying to paint him as the villan nowadays. Which makes sense since him being too close to Bruce would make some fans think *gasp* that Bruce, DC's precious cash cow is at best wrong with his "no killing" rule or a derranged control freak more obsessed with stomping down anyone who opposes him than actually fighting crime
I think he's done the best in wayne family adventures, which considering that series is JUST character writing isn't surprising, but I also like his relationship with the other robins especially Tim.
Damien: "Id rather be hated than forgotten 🗿"
Tim: "What do you mean by that? 👀"
Damian and Cass are NOT the same.
Cass was just a weapon, an object, she was just taught to kill and fight, and was left traumatized the first moment she did so and ran away.
Damian was bathed as a baby in the blood of an innocent woman's dead body, was beaten to half-death and healed in the Lazarus pit multiple times, trained in all sorts of Arts, Science and History besides teaching him how to kill, and he has killed a LOT of people, much more than Cass could ever endure.
One was supposed to be the ultimate weapon and the other one was supposed to be the ultimate warrior.
I’m surprised they haven’t tried shipping them together yet
Im suprised you didn’t mention Damian from Batman and Superman: Battle of the Super Sons. That is probably my favorite damian adaptation to date
Also the most accurate. They even gave him is pet cow.
"and let me say I'm the biggest hater" 😂
I just like to say I've never hated Damien in fact he's my second favorite character to be Robin in my opinion he's what red hood would have been he wasn't voted off well minus the entitled mindset. I'm not going to play down the fact that in that version of the story Batman got raped but come on this is comic books worst shit has happened.
No there's nothing worse than that
I'm glad it's not canon anymore
Damians is an always will be the most overhated Robin. People act like he didn't get any development since 2006.
Dcamu and Injustice really ruined his image.
First impressions make a lasting effect on ppl i guess
@@ethanleongsem7582No they probably just don't know that character development is a thing yet.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 actually yes first impressions do have lasting effects even with development.
Damian Wayne was introduced shoving a stalagmite up Tim's rear...and has never apologized for constantly going out of his way to insert his superiority over Tim...all out of jealousy...and even when Nightwing should have fired Damian after five minutes and put Tim back in the role during his time as Batman...he wasn't allowed to...even though he mentioned he could. This just was irritating...and Damian's so jealous of Tim because Tim's everything he's not.
@timepilotcluefinder94 it also doesn't help that he is shoved into everything cuz he's the most marketable aswell. Also doesn't help that the dcau where most people had their first impressions had him heavily injuring nightwing and defeating deathstroke. Like that's just not possible. Bro is peak Gary Stu with an ego.
Actually,DCAMU is the best ver of him. İt was İnjustice that ruined his image.
I personally liked Damian Wayne robin teaming up with my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent Superboy as his little 10 year old self and being the super sons which is a really awesome team and tons of fun but that’s just my opinion.
Agreed it was SO much fun, they REALLY should make a supersons adimated tv show.
@@dawudabdulali3827 indeed and honestly nothing would've made me happier but to my favorite team super sons get animated tv show which would be really awesome and badass in my opinion.
As a normie on this I don't like him because he is such a Gary sue.
Truuuu. And the ego and entitled behaviour doesn't help
For all the hate damian gets, he is so unbelievably fantastic when written by Grant Morrison. Everytime it reaches THAT moment in Batman Inc. I tear up. And i mean EVERY time. He is wrriten as such a well-rounded character with just so much heart that the climax of that book is just devastating.
No he's not. And great while written by Morrison ? Maybe in another reality I guess...
I like Damian Wayne. I know he can be an annoying brat that's always angry and doesn't respect authority, just like Jason Todd. Remember 'A Death in the Family'?
But Damian's only like that coz he was taken from the only family he knew, and forced to live with his father, that was absent his whole life, and is expected to just follow the rules. OF course he's not gonna respect Bruce, Dick, Tim, or anyone else there.
He should have learned to the second Nightwing floored him and threatened to fire him from the Robin role.
Another W vid, Damian is my FAVORITE Robin, Dick, Tim, and Jason are there own characters they start as robin and then become there own characters they NEVER become batman, but Damien.... Damien would be a PERFECT Batman, hopefully we get a comic series in the furture where Damien is Batman in a KINDA batman beyond era kinda a mix between present time and beyond, and see him be a PERFECT batman, he would be a better batman than bruce, that would be AMAZING
Dick Grayson does become Batman for a while in Grant Morrison’s run, and Damien is Robin fighting alongside him. In fact, when Bruce returned from “death” (he was time displaced in Final Crisis), he intended to stay retired as Bats and let Dick stay in the mantle, only when the New 52 era started and the comics semi-rebooted (Batman and Green Lantern mostly kept their continuity) did Bruce become Batman again because the editors probably assumed newbies checking out the reboot would be confused otherwise.
@@doctordoom85 yeah dick was batman temporary. He would never truly be BATMAN in my eyes he is his own character.
@@doctordoom85 From what I remember, Dick and Bruce, much like Diana and Donna and Barry and Wally were co-sharing the mantles with their mentors which has been re-instated with Donna since Rebirth...it was just that Donna returned to wearing her Troia suits because she liked the style better than that armor she had (and too bad they didn't just use the regular WW suit with Troia colorations like on one cover+ the new eagle beaked W that Donna introduced before applying it to Diana, because that whole 2006-2010 suit was initally meant to be Donna's suit as a throwback but later Diana got it...all because Circe and Heracles didn't like why Diana retired and couldn't play with their "favorite toy" anymore.)...and they would implement different things to distinguish Wally and Dick from Bruce and Barry. Here's what they did on the Batman side- Dick would wear the old Adam West suit with a new Bat-buckle like that of his wife's...meanwhile on the Flash side of things Wally had pretty much been wearing his Timmverse series design since S:TAS dropped and it slowly changed to the JL design with only minor modifications made here and there when needed...(should have really kept the KF style mask and speed metal blue though...those looked properly Wally and the blue made his ginger hair pop more).
That said...that 2010 story of Diana's also features a more appropriate for Donna costume and story...since Straczjynski admitted to not having any idea about Wonder Woman...and having no idea is Donna's department....and since the soft-rebooting occurred in 2011, and that proposed 5G timeline mentions during 2011 that Donna was Wonder Woman... Oddyssey makes way more sense with Donna than Diana...but falls into that "make the mentor more like their former protegè" trap that began with Hal in 2005 by making him more like Kyle, then Barry got that in 2008, Diana in 2010, Clark in 2011, Bruce....well he's always been Bruce.
Back to the mentor mantle shares- Conner didn't really get to be Superman at that time because it was more or less implied during DCU: The 52 era that had the Flashpoint not happened that six year old Chris Kent would have become Superman 2.0...and if you must use Kryptonian names for him...use K'riss-El...he is not "Lor-Zod"...and he doesn't like it when anyone forgets that "My name's Chris/Christopher!" ...and Garth didn't really seem to be interested in mantle sharing, unless he was supposed to have become Aquaman at that point the way that Jackson/Kaldur has become in most cases and how Lagoon Boy got the promotion in the Young Justice animated universe...also it was implied that Kara was gonna be Superwoman too...because all the Silver Age Sidekicks+ Kyle and Jesse as newcomers after the Crisis were strongly considering taking over their mentors mantles (if they hadn't already since Jesse just swapped parents' codenames by that point she still uses Liberty Belle while dressing as Quick)...JLA or not except Nightwing...because he's Nightwing.
Damien is my favorite Robin😂
Same with me
Same man, but I like all of the robins a lot.
Same
Facts. Idk why people hate on him. I mean yeah he was garbage in injustice but that’s the only adaptation I can think of where he’s trash, every where else, he’s a good character.
MINE TOO Why do they hate hime so much he is a great character concept with unlimited potential. at this point i want him to be in his own comic without the batfamily because of the hatred
I'm hoping in James Gunn's DC universe that he's going to be used as a gateway to show all the other Robins already being Red Hood Nightwing and Red Robin I think it could really help to build the universe. No matter what though Damian Wayne's my favorite Robin
FAX completely agree.
I think that's the best we can hope for. Damian becomes Robin and then this attracts Tim Drake who has gone solo or something and in a later film, Jason can come in as Red Hood, either as the main antagonist or the guy Batman really didn't want to call but had to because of the situation.
In Titans Jason felt like a dollar tree Damien Wayne.
I first jumped into comics when Dick became Batman and Damian was his Robin. Their dynamic was super fun, and I came to love both of them as that era went on. I did go back and read past comics - like earlier Nightwing and Tim's Robin run as well as everything introducing Damian and just random Batman comics in general - but I think the fact that I started where I did really helped me latch on to Damian. However once Dick and Damian were split up, I found it hard to care as I didn't find his dynamic with Bruce to be even remotely interesting. There have been some stories in the comics since where I've still managed to enjoy him, but I came to the realization that so long as he's partnered with Bruce, I'm just going to find it hard to care. I admit that I was never Tim's biggest fan (I liked him, he was just never one of my personal favorites), but I find myself vastly preferring the stories I've read of him as Bruce's Robin to Damian's.
I will never hate Damian - I came to like him too much to do so. But I find that the amount of situations in which I love him are relatively small nowadays. Unpopular opinion, I'm sure, but despite Bruce hardly being around during the time, I miss the Dick!Bats days purely because just about every Batbook at the time was fun and/or interesting.
DAMIAN WAYNE is a Shakespearean tragic hero. Reminiscent of two legendary epic characters :
1. MORDRED Prince of Camelot forever torn between his father King Arthur ( Batman ) and
his mother Morgana La Fey (Talia ).
2. OCTAVIAN CAESAR, the heir of Julius Caesar ( Ras Al Ghul ) and the son of his grand niece
Atia Of The Julii ( Talia ).
Quite the analysis 👌 😊
He actually worked as a foil in Super Sons but DC couldn't help but throw away that gem.
i'm so glad this came in my recommendations , i just adore analysing the batfamily , especially jason and damian , their characters are incredibly interesting to me ! ( grayson and tim have a special place in my heart but likewise for all the robins )
I dunno what happened or why but the batfamily absolutely blew up in popularity over the past couple years and im not complaining at all
Awesome video
I don’t know if you have but could you do a video on the Underrated GOAT that is Cassandra Cain and how she’s interacts with the batfam
😅
Cass is fine , not the best
It's not like I hate Damian but they tried to push him on the audience sooo much to the point I ended up hating him in every batman movie he was the main character in the teen titans movie he was the main character he acted just because he was Batman's son he is superior even in the comics he had his own robin comics and teen titans and super sons he had a super sons movie hell even in the new upcoming batman movie he is the robin like they tried to give his own Arkham game which they cancelled because they saw how much people didn't rock with him Damian is a fine character but just because he is Batman's biological son doesn't mean he has to take the center stage everytime
They didn't push Damian in the comics. Even Tim had his own Robin comic, Teen Titans and Young Justice comics, all which.
Damian doesn't take the center stage, that's just in the dcamu. Dc tried to ruin him outright try to turn him into a terrorist and gave him suicide vest once....
@@huntertezz that's the dumbest take I have ever heard Damian heard Damian at one point had 3 comics all at the same time in comparison red hood had none nightwing had 2 and Tim had 0 sooo don't play dumb with me and the terrorist one was one chapter and it was a bluff to Stop Jason which he failed at
@@freedomprice9173 Didn't Red Hood have Outlaws?
Tim had 0 at the time but I meant even he had 3 comics at the same time back when he was Robin. Its not a big deal sheesh 😅.
When I meant the terrorist thing I am talking about 5G. Dc wanted to make Damian the big villain and lead Leviathan.
@@freedomprice9173 Also when did Damian have 3 comics at the same time? His two solo series happened before and after supersons and teen titans.
Never on the same time.
Damian was not even in the main Batman book at the time.
@@huntertezz yeah red hood's ONLY book was the outlaws and Tim got his those comics after he was accepted unlike Damian where people were still on the gray yet he had three comics at the same time dcau movies super sons movie he was the only robin active in both injustice 1 and 2 so yeah you could see how much they pushed that boy
What surprises is that there weren't any robin movies, robin has evolved into more than just Batman's sidekick, he's his own character and deserves to have movies about him. Plus his outfits if done right have the potential to be the best hero outfits
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THE BOY WONDER by Juni Ba and enjoy
the 2021- 2022 ROBIN comic series focusing
on The Al Ghuls and The Lazarus Tournament.
I love Damian, he's my favorite Robin if I'm being honest, but I really hate how he stole Tim's spotlight in the comics plus adaptions since Damian tend to ignore Tim all together
Damian is my favorite Robin too. Dick is better as Nightwing, and Jason is better as Red Hood. Tim should have gotten another role like the others. Then the Robin could have gotten the Robin mantle.
Tim should be the Robin that retires.
@@Rengokuo4o6I think it would’ve been amazing if Tim retired the Robin mantle and passed it onto Damian, would’ve been a good start to a reforming of their brotherhood. And maybe Tim would’ve retired and then something happens and that’s when he decides to dawn a new hero persona maybe Red Robin or smth else entirely
@@nataliawashington872 Or he just settles down and leave hero work behind.
@@nataliawashington872hes gotta go purple
How to fix Damian Wayne: simply write him like Knuckles The Echidna from Sonic The Hedgehog
which is more brutal but NOT too much,
he is also very well trained (just in the movies)
and he is NOT anything anoying
and also make damian older please.
There is nothing to fix. People pretending like Damian hasn't had any development since 2006....
And he is older now. He is 15 and in high school.
He would be a perfect rival of Batman beyond (considering he barely has any rogues gallery).
@@nota13xxsweaponsupplier7 Nah he wouldn't work a rival.
Not only is he old enough to be his dad but he would be a more experienced hero and way stronger.
Damian works better as mentor figure and teacher to Terry.
Nah that's wild he'd be getting tricked by Hugo Strange every issue
@@huntertezz Sorry, I should have phrased this better. What I intended to imply was that he should be Terry's nemesis in a way, similar to a teacher vs protagonist dynamic. The DC equivalent of Daredevil vs Stick or Andrew vs Fletcher from whiplash. That seems like it would be a fun story to tell, in my opinion.
Tim's my favorite, but I acknowledge he'll never be featured in live action. I think I've heard comics creators say how difficult it is explaining to today's audiences how Bruce Wayne keeps acquiring young boys to fight crime.
Saying Dick's his adopted son? That works. Saying Batman has a son? That works. Saying Batman found a kid on the streets or his neighbor's son just shows up on his doorstep and decides to train them to fight crime? Harder for audiences to buy. I get that it's comics and I'm cool with it, but movie crowds probably won't get it. It sucks.
Tim was an adoption case too, so was Jason, and Tim's the only one of the adopted Robins who does change his name to Tim Wayne...around the time of Infinite Crisis.
@@timepilotcluefinder94 Oh I didn't realize they'd been officially adopted! That's cool. Also means there's a chance I might see Tim get the spotlight... eventually. But I did hear something about DC testing out Maps (from Gotham Academy) as a new Robin recently, so maybe not ☹
He is literally my favorite and in my opinion the most interesting Robin. He was the best thing about the DCAU especially his portrayal in Batman vs Robin and the teen Titans movies. However, his worst enemy is bad writing because they reverse his character development all the time.
I like Damian, but a large part of why I like him is that he IS the fourth installment of the robins (not to disrespect any of the ladies who have taken up the mantle, I just haven’t seen really seen any of the works that feature them in the robin role, so I don’t feel qualified to talk about them). Damian being the youngest and most difficult to connect with after two successful robins and one controversial one is kind of the hook for me? And I’m really hoping that in the Harley Quinn show at least, we’re going to find out that the other two robins have already come and gone from the role, since that show does seem to be set later in the DC timeline.
It's interesting to think how in the 90s and 2000s, Dick Grayson and Tim Drake were the Robins who were appearing in shows, with Tim replacing Jason because of his less than positive history (dying because people hated him). However in the last decade pulling up to now, Damian Wayne is getting pushed as well as Jason to a lesser extent with Tim being the one skipped over.
More like the most "overhated" Robin, he's an interesting character and has so many great traits but people still hate him
Drake getting cooked in a video about Damian Wayne being the worst Robin (I agree), might be the funniest thing to come out of that whole beef
Ever since I saw Son of Batman Damian has always been my favourite Robin lol
7:36 Bro stole Dick's hairstyle too, what a menace.
I really wanna see Damian be Batman's successor. I feel like we could get a more brutal Batman, maybe even make him the new Batman Beyond character.
Terry McGinnis will remain as Batman Beyond. However, DAMIAN WAYNE is destined to be BATMAN 666. He also becomes the leader of the 3 Al Ghul leagues ( SHADOWS, LAZARUS AND ASSASSINS ).
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7:30 that movie is a banger, but they missed an opportunity to include Tim and Jason instead Barbara for 4 brothers theme
I made the Ohhhh sound right before that clip came up LOL.
You know the first three robins end up being the same with Jason being the only stand out and that’s cause he fucking dies Damien is the only one that’s actually different
Injustice was my intro to Damian Wayne. Around that time, I got a job, started buying comics again. I wondered "Comic Damian can't be as bad as Injustice Damian". At first, he was, then I read his adventures with Grayson and Born to Kill. Great stories. My goodness, I cried when he died. Cried more when Bruce revived him.
he is growing and learning and his fav person is alfred...
A major reason I don’t care for Damian because of how big of a push there is for him over other robin you said it yourself where’s the Tim love and I’d love to see more Jason as a young robin as well. This is coming from a huge robin fan dick Grayson is my favorite superhero of all time
He didn't get a big push outside of the cartoon. Infact Dc tried to ruin him and was even bit a racist with his writing. They tried to turn him the middle eastern kid into a terrorist with a suicide vest.
@@huntertezz I mean robin in general doesn’t get a push but overall whenever we see robin 9 outta 10 times it him
@@RodoFoolboyTV Yeah but its not really because they want to push him.
I think its just because Damian is more marketable than Tim as "son of Batman"
Also I think Dc realized Dick and Jason are just way better as Nightwing and Redhod insted of Robin.
Every other character is more popular once they stop being Robin
I read a fanfiction crossover of Harry Potter\Batman where Harry is related to BOTH Bruce Wayne AND Tony Stark and after discovering his relation to them, sends both a letter asking for help to get him out of the Tri-Wizard Tournament. In THIS story Nightwing (Dick Grayson) AND the other three kids Bruce had, yes including Damian lived together as a family. The boys working together (along with Peter Parker) even easily came to the conclusion Harry was being abused. Even though the story wasn't and still isn't finished it was great watching then work together in their own way and keeping roughly with their personalities (Damian went about things more roughly-like a bull in a china store-than the others) to try and find out what he was hiding and try and 'make friends' with him.
What’s worse,
Damian’s character arc restarting every so often
Jason’s RedHood phase restarting every so often?
I hate Damien because it was clear from the start that the growth they were "giving" to dick and tim after bruce died was not going to stay, and that this kid was going to stay on a robin. Tim earned it, Damian didn't. And tim has never recovered from that
Tim was the perfect DRAKE. Quack. Quack.
This is one of the reasons I don't think Damien Wayne should be a Robin or a Batman or a superhero at all. He should be his own person who learns to forge his own path with both is legacies in mind.
He's my favorite Robin. They made Tim gay and Dick is Nightwing now, so he's not a Robin anymore. Red Hood is dope now as a character as well instead of being an angry orphan in a Robin outfit. Also, DW has the best Robin costume in The Bat-Family. 8:52
I'm gonna be honest I hate Damian because of the DCAMU. It may as well stand for Damian's Constant Aggrandizement Movie Universe, because he's the protagonist of 4 movies, no other character got that much love. Not Superman, not Batman, not any Justice Leaguer, and not any Bat Family Member nor Teen Titan.
That's great,I love Damian
Why do people hate on Damian when that’s his character what else do they want him to be?
Exactly. The kid was raised to be the ultimate heir to his grandfather Ra's Al Ghul in the League of Assassins. Talia left him under Bruce's protection, fearing that Deathstroke would go after her son.
@@chazarcola7639 yea people hating on him for doing what his character is meant to do it makes no sense. They hate him cause his arrogant and bashful that’s the whole point good characters are not perfect especially ones that were raised like that
I also wish they would age him up more. Maybe do a time skip where he’s 19 and we see him with a cool new suit or maybe there would be an official series of Damian Wayne being Batman(not Batman 666). But his suit as Batman was awesome.
Joshua Williamson's run on Damian's Robin really saved him and gave him somewhat of a cult following.
Absolutely despised him for years but I've recently started reading through DC's rebirth era and what made me decide he was my favorite robin was Super sons. I think seeing that softer side of him made all his other appearances more tolerable and actually charming.
Ironically that is also what happened to the Injustice writer. He despised Damian but then he read some Damian stories and changed his mind.
Then he wrote Dceased which was great and did Damian justice so he made up for his mistake with injustice Damian.
Dick Grayson is The G.O.A.T. of all Robin's & sidekicks undisputedly. However, Damian Wayne is the best & has the most potential. Damian is the son of Bruce Wayne & Talia, was raised since birth not only to be the perfect assassin & hand to hand combatant but also, to replace Ra's Al Ghul. He's has a genius level IQ & intellect, is a master strategist, master tactician, ruthless, has adopted Batman's no kill rule, but still has no problem killing. He's only like 13 & is still learning getting better.
Sounds like a Gary stew to me and the ego and entitled behaviour didnt help in leaving a good first impression.
so annoying how tim and jason get so little screen time in some ways, you only see them mostly in comics
You skipped the SuperSons run were his positive change arc progresses as being friends with Jon Kent a kid his own age mellowing out, then Bendus and DC destroyed all that by aging up Jon and the later shenanigans of modern comics do today with characters.
Not gonna lie I don’t think Damian should be on par with slade or even drake
That’s what I’m saying 💀
Tim was the perfect DRAKE. Quack. Quack.
Damien being Gunns favorite Robins scares me tbh. I’ve been waiting for a Titans film series for a long time (Nightwing solo as well) and I feel like he’s gonna try to make Damien some sort of successor that he never really is in the comics
1. Dick
2. Damian
3. Tim
4. Stephanie
5. Duke
6. Other elseworld robins
7. Jason
Damian became my favorite Robin because of the super sons movie/comics
I do hate damian on one hand especially when he got alred killed but on the other hand he and other characters serve as a foil to one another. I havent read anything after Dark knights metal but im pretty sure he's starting to lighten up now and i think he has a girlfirend named flatline.
Damian Wayne is as useful to the DC fandom as P is useful to the word "Psychology"
Jason should be in more adaptations. He doesn’t even have to be shown just mentioned as the dead robin. That should be an important part of Batman’s story when taking on new robins. Similar to how s4 of young justice mentions him as something Bruce won’t let happen again.
It would be interesting to see if either A) Red Hood is either a fixture in Gotham when Damian arrives since he's new to the city, he doesn't know the players in the criminal underworld or B) Jason hasn't come back **yet** and his return is what brings together Dick, Barbara, Tim, and Damian to defend Gotham from this young buck looking to carve up the criminal underworld.
I'm not going to lie: I was a Tim stan. Dare I say, Tim Drake is the Wally West of Robins: Gave fans a majority of the things they like about the character (lore, personality, costume, etc.) but every future and past person who has the mantle afterwards keep borrowing from them to the point the audience doesn't remember where the origin point was. Great example: Jason died in the Robin suit with the short-shorts and little boots. When Time officially became Robin, he was the first Robin to have darker colors, his own arsenal, and of course, pants. Jason dying in the old Robin costume also symbolized the death of what Robin used to be. Future adaptations and reboots, however, retconned all the earlier Robins having costumes similar to Tim's, lessening the importance of Tim taking up the mantle.
Damian is such a deep and high potential character, but they constantly undo his progress as a person and ruin his relationships with the others-- however he is better in Batman and Robin 2023 and the Boy Wonder by Juni Ba
Cass deserves to be put into more DC animated projects. She and Steph have been in the sum total of 1 series, being Young Justice (- ^ )
Wait for the Dcu. Once she makes her first live action debut people will finally see the best batgirl and she will start getting more cartoons.
Frankly, the current version of Damian Wayne I mostly care for right now is the one from the DCAMU. He went from self-entitled to being a true Robin, member of both the Titans and the Batfamily. His relationship with Raven in the films, mostly JL vs. TT, Judas Contract, and Apokolips War, solidified his character arc for me.
His relationship with Raven is one of the things I like the least about those movies. Raven is treated pretty badly in it. It's mostly in favour of Damian's character and doesn't do anything for Raven and her story arc. She's always overshadowed by him and most of the time feels intentionally made less competent so that Damian can have some relevancy by pushing her around to do things. And in the last movie her role was basically to be there for to make his arc come full circle and not because she had some story of her own. They even waste her white form in favour of Damian.
Ngl i like him i find it funny people dislike him do for acting like Batman
1:37 This is the case of a first appearence that doesn't show the best version of the character, and oh boy was that a rough start
I really like Damian. His latest arc in Lazarus Island was badass.
Thank you 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 😎. I can't help but agree with everything you've said here.
The dcmu was also my introduction to Damian, and he ranges from tolerable like in Bat Blood to insufferable like Justice League vs Teen Titans.
It would be one thing if we are supposed to dislike the character. However, those dcmu movies feel like they want you to like him and see his growth, but I feel like that growth never really came despite me waiting for it.
In addition, when people defend this character they either do so by mentioning his backstory or finding his behavior cute. To which I and others respond with a resounding: his background explains him but doesn't excuse his actions, and no one IRL would find this behavior cute 🤔.
Therefore, instead of rooting for Damian to become the next Robin we are instead eager to see him get his face blown off by blue beetle or get his butt whooped by Deathstroke.
Lastly, you brought up Injustice and honestly the animated film version is where I actually like Damian. There he regrets killing Nightwing accidentally and shows a lot more respect to his father and is likable. Similarly, I found him likable in Batman vs Ninja Turtles where they balance him being a kid and a warrior well.
Those examples show that this character can be done right, as opposed to versions like the injustice 2 game where you don't blame Batman for disowning him. Speaking of which at 4:39 Batman could have easily been like "you weren't an accident, your mother drugged and r*** me to bring you here" 🤨.
DCeased Damian is probably the best version of him.
i hope we see him in live action as like 21
7:22 I need that adapted
Tim is always overlooked and Dick is perpetually nerfed…
My biggest gripe with Damian as Robin even tho I love him is that sometimes it just doesn’t make sense timeline wise. Like how is Damian Robin and Barbra is his batgirl counterpart when it should be stef in my opinion. Not only is it erasing other robins but batgirls too.
Barbara is not his batgirl counterpart😂. His Batgirl is Stephanie.
Its stupid to blame Damian for that batgirls when its clear he has nothing to do with it. Its just Dc's obsession with regressing Barbara and keeping her as Batgirl instead of letting her be Oracle.
I love damian thought
I'd throw hands with damien any day knowing full well I'll die doing so.
1:58 bruh we gotta stop using that clip for jokes 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bro had to slide that Kendrick diss in
I'll sub for that